User paying a SaaS paying a PaaS

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

lool

@rajshah2130

5 күн бұрын

thats how it works lol and PaaS will pay a IaaS if its platform is remote

I watched the material UI playlist way back when. It's great to see someone who isn't optimizing for being a youtube tutorial guru. Nothing better than learning from someone who is actually applying it to solve real world issues. Very cool!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Wow throwback haha - really appreciate the kind words man. Yeah I kinda got burnt out making tutorials, and it didn't fit in with what I was doing on a daily basis anyways... so I figured I'd try this instead hahaha.

Hey man! I love your startup content. Thanks!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Thank you!!

Love the content homie. Good blend of tech and business, which isn’t something you find a lot of. Keep em coming man!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Thank you bro!! Anything in particular you'd like me to talk about? :)

@rembautimes8808

Ай бұрын

Thanks it’s really insightful. Vercel lost a potential customer today - will steer clear of them unless they change their ways

Great video and transparancy! Thanks for sharing this!!

@AnthonySistilli

21 күн бұрын

Appreciate you!

that part on vercel hits hard damn

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Haha, Vercel is great until it isn't

You’re content is so valuable!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad it helps!!

Positive guy in tech & biz. Relevant content too. Keep such videos coming 😀

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Appreciate you man!

Thank you for this one, been thinking about these exactly same questions what you presented in video. Espectially cloudflare + vercel anti ddos etc.

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

how are you scraping instagram tho? can you make an in depth video on how you run continuous scraping and how you host it?

An enlightening and fresh perspective. Thanks!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

nice video man, enjoying this content

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad it's useful!

Yeah I am not touching vercel. I am scared of it. What is going on with aws? Have you tried SST to deploy on AWS? My next stack will be pretty simple NextJS, payload CMS, serverless functions for cron jobs and event bus all the way( they run for almost free) and SST will hold all of that together.

this content is pure gold. Great work Anthony 👏

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad it's valuable to you man!! I'll keep it up :)

You mentioned you have about 4 year's worth of data on all matches on your first SaaS, can you disclose how much TB that is approximately in your AWS db? I'm currently on AWS S3 for the storage of sound recordings, im curious how that would scale approximately

Nice to see someone who actually does this for real

Hi, what do you think Azure to host app and and databases so that the database connection isn't exposed to public internet?

what do you use with upstash that you managed to replace?

This is a great video. I just found your channel, but this gold. I don't know if I missed it, but would you tell how many customers you serve with that costs or how many visits your apps get a month, mostly to estimate the cost per user (paid or not) or cost per number of hits a month?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Yeah! For the old one we get 500k+ pageviews/month and but our rev comes from our actual SaaS subs which takes up almost no usage tech wise

hey! what do you recommend to replace AWS?

Very helpful video bro, thanks so much

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad it helped man!

Do you still feel the same about Cloud Flare in light of new events?

Thanks for sharing your startups' finances like this! I noticed there are only tech stack costs on here; I find that a lot of my costs end up going towards marketing (although maybe that is just a signal that I am doing something wrong). Would you consider making a video on this subject?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Ah personally we had a $0 marketing policy! If the product was good it would spread through word of mouth usually

Great video, thanks for answering my question in previous video about making this kind of topic! Do you have a video about cloudflare? How to install it correctly, what is does and so on? I have heard a lot about cloudflare, but never understood it correctly. Thanks!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Not yet! Might make something on it in the future though, great idea!

I assume you initial app was working like AWS based using it's features, but did you try to compare those costs with other cloud hosting, like GCP, Azure (for example)? I know you say, when the AWS costs were getting high, you moved to parts of this features to separate services (heroku, betterstack,...) but did you evaluate the possibility to move to a different hosting as a bundle?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Nope! I think the silod applications like heroku, render, supabase, etc actually add so much QoL that I'd never move back to a full AWS setting.

That's a lot of vendors to depend on. I run 3 sites and my total is less than $30. Can be really rough to depend on metered services. Billing spikes are rough, especially when you are pre-revenue. Thanks for sharing the Vercel experience.

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Great insights man thank you!! 3 sites for $30 is really awesome

@dyrone7071

Ай бұрын

what's your monthly income

when you say AWS isnt cheap and others are better? which others could you at leaast mention a few? thanks

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Yeah! You can check out my tech stack video on what I currently use - but for domain buying you can use CF, hosting node applications you can use heroku, hosting React / nextjs you can use vercel, CICD you can use Gitlab

very informative video, thanks!

@AnthonySistilli

13 күн бұрын

glad it helped!!

what are good alternatives for aws? you mentioned to stay away from it... so what should we use instead? also, any examples why specifically it was hard to work with? just asking because i'm trying to start something of my own :)

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

I have a video of my newest tech stack on my channel!

Great content ❤ new subscriber

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Welcome!!

Is heroku really cheaper than AWS?

Great video man! Btw how are you getting your Instagram data via API or scraping?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Fully API!

@elisimic4371

Ай бұрын

@@AnthonySistilli Thanks a lot for the response! I am working with the Basic Display API although it is quite restrictive, I'm assuming you are using the Graph API?

Hey, how much does this startup make per year?

What would you recommend for a SAAS developed in a Django framework? AWS or Heroku? Have heard from others also regarding AWS's hidden costs. 😷

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

heroku usually is fine, easy to get started, low cost - I think with SaaS's speed is key, and AWS has a large learning curve

Great video❤

Awesome video man.

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Stay away from AWS. …we’re using Vercel, an AWS wrapper. 😄

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

hahaha wrappers are useful for a reason

@Vorenus875

Ай бұрын

Heroku is an AWS wrapper too 😂 This video quickly became “the cost of not knowing AWS”

@raunaquepatra3966

10 күн бұрын

​@@Vorenus875but the wrappers are cheaper when the site is not that big

Great videos!!!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

Super interesting thank you

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Appreciate you!!

could you also please share the employee cost with a breakdown for the number of employees you have working for each startup, like x engineers, y designers and z growth marketers, etc

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Great question!! I will cover this for sure!

@user-op1im6vv7q

Ай бұрын

@@AnthonySistilli awesome, looking forward to it

Can I ask a question? Do you code the webapp all by yourself or use a no-code platform like webflow?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Yup! Self coded - i have a video on my channel about the tech stack I used!

so, to run a SAAS we need loads of SAASs.

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

the self fulfilling prophecy

@aurelianspodarec2629

Ай бұрын

You don't. Back in the days you would do these things on your own. A SaaS is there to make your life faster, easier etc... would you rather pay 50$ a month or spend $10k doing it yourslef with medicore solutions?

Vercel should add alerts and implement protections around there limits. It seems unfair that you can get stinged so easily

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

100%

Vercel discourages using Cloudflare while also hosting on Vercel - what's your opinion on that?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Personally as long as it all works fine, I'd take Cloudflare over vercel any day - as long as you disable proxying and let vercel do things like Image caching it should be okay!

how are you managing latency between all these servers?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Hasn't been much of an issue! They only connect to eachother via our DB so it's the latency that you'd naturally have from frontend/backend supabase, which is quite low.

Vercel is great if youre publishing projects with virtually no users but once you get over even like 100 concurrent active users its very easy to ecceed their limits. AWS imo just targets growing companies with tons of capital. I'd recommend just renting vps/vdses, they have their own risks of course like reliability, etc. but the prices are way more affordable. Plus learning devops to me is fun + a free skill for your resume.

Subscribed!

Why do you not use betterstack for uptime monitoring?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

i didn’t know they offered it!

why not consolidate the uptime robot with the betterstack's uptime checker?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Yeah! Actually didn't know betterstack had uptime stuff until recently, just swapped onto them for logs at first

Just ran into the billing issues with vercel, $700 bill, never been more than $100. Took them 2 weeks to respond

Do it makes any sense for you to run any of those services on a 25$ dollars or cheaper VPS?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

hmm there might be great alternatives! This the stack I think is the most popular then

have you ever tried railway? I think it can be pretty useful

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

I actually have not! What;s it about?

Supabase is based on AWS :)

Where is Jared?

Best Info I've Run Into So Far! I've been mulling over 2 startup concepts and been brickWalled with all the puzzle pieces and cost$! Sub'd & 👍Liked! Can you do a vid on OpenSaaS? Love your Content! Keep it Going!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Great to hear! Haven't looked into OpenSaas but I'll take a look :)

Nice video!

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the visit!

But why Heroku? It's 1GB RAM instance for $50 is insane.

@repotranstech9614

Ай бұрын

Pythonanywhere 3gb ram for 5$.

can you develop on why you avoid using aws ?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

AWS has hidden costs everywhere, and was a nightmare to maintain and debug. Our pipelines on AWS were 20mins + to deploy, when I moved to vercel, they were 1 minute or less. AWS has more customization but overall is suuuuper bulky and ridden with hidden costs.

So these costs are with how many monthly users using your platform? 🤔

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

500k monthly pageviews

How many users do u have right now that pays u monthly

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

For the esports business over a few hundred

Why is cpanel not a good option ?? .. pay for cpanel and point a domain on it

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

CPanel is a bit outdated ... i'm sure it still works if you're familiar with it!

I was just about to use AWS :)

@aurelianspodarec2629

Ай бұрын

And why are you not?

@francisnjugunaldc

Ай бұрын

@@aurelianspodarec2629 He said we shouldnt use it if we can :)

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Haha still a decent option for more complex stuff, but yeah, I'd def steer away if there's better alternatives for your use cases

@aurelianspodarec2629

Ай бұрын

@@francisnjugunaldc Isn't that with every single thing in our life? :) It all depends, doens't it. Its subjective based on what you need.

@francisnjugunaldc

Ай бұрын

@@aurelianspodarec2629 I still used AWS that what's am more proficient at☺️🙏

how do you earn money from these projects ?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

For my esports SaaS, we get $ from advertising, and $ from our subscription plan for teams

There are just too many horror stories about Vercel ! I would steer clear of them, one DDOS and say goodbye to profitability.

So you went from 6-700 usd/m on aws to 600 usd/m spread over 7 services whereof at least a few will massively overcharge regularly... sounds... not like a win?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

After switching off AWS last year we added a ton of stuff on - with AWS this probably would have been closer to 1k a month

Do you use an identity provider?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Just basic Auth!

Try ICP (Internet Computer) and let us know what you think.

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Interesting!

Is it me or did you miss the big one Firebase

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

I personally stopped using firebase in 2019, but I'm sure they're still really good!

Chad devs use VPS, mega chads have their own physical servers

“Who doesn’t like next js other than a lot of people” 😂

Sir please tell us how to build SAAS business for 49$ per month including all these sir z🙏🙏🙏

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Every tool I mention has a free tier I believe - if your SaaS is just starting out you can probably build it for free (minus buying the domain!)

@Siddartbenagi0

Ай бұрын

@@AnthonySistilli k thx a lot sir

Vercel and Heroku both run off AWS so you can never actually get away from AWS

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

haha atleast we can get away from their ui

No Heroku, cuz, support is BAD in my experience, they shut down my application for days without a legit reason, luckily that was a PoC application. AWS is bit of expensive however, by far the best support team, most fast, reliable DB, less latency, RDS ever I see.

I swear by Azure!

you should try supabase

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

I use Supabase for my latest startup :) Supabase didn't exist when I started my previous one unfortunately

@blackdash225

Ай бұрын

@@AnthonySistilli make a video on that stack

What about moving all storage to Wasabi? Heard they're one of the cheapest?

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

never heard of them!

You can tell someone is a junior developer just by listening to them

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Hmmm lool

@psychic8872

10 күн бұрын

You can always judge people and assign labels to them after listening to what they say

@mussimbigrace3469

4 күн бұрын

What have you built beside your lil demos ? Humble yourself

You could run all this on a $50 VPS

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

not all of these costs are just hosting :)

@chiperror2441

Ай бұрын

You could probably replace your Vercel with just a self hosted nexjs app. All your heroku stuff could just be a big docker-compose file. Unless you're using Upstash anything else than redis, you can self host that too. Not saying *YOU* should do this, I'm just saying you/anyone could. I've been where you've been with Vercel and their amazing billing. I myself got a $420 bill from them not too long ago, moved right off and onto a DO vps, and haven't had a single issue. Now, we host mysql, redis, nextjs and an go api server on the same vps under one docker network and it's actually performing better for half the price lol

It seems it is easier to build a SAAS these days than hosting and running it using servers.😂😂😂

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

hahaha.

I clicked like after you said "I hate AWS" 😅 Honestly don't even get why people keep praising this UNREASONABLY hard-to-use service

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Yup!!

ver-cel

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

versul?

Obviously doesn’t setup proper connection timeouts and then gets upset when they have to pay for their own architecture choices…

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

we used the default 30s timeouts, which is proper since some requests do take near that long (rare)

I hope they contact you after seeing this video? Nah? Yeah probably not gonna see it even.

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

hahaha

Or you get a VPS for 50 dollars with umetrered traffic and don't give a shit how the ddos you. Real devs go Baremetal.

I think you should pay figma if you're actually making money, i appreciate the honesty but creating many projects in a page that is meant for one project is bad

This is such a copy of HLTV lol

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

Yep! Pretty much all the top val sites are - it's what the FPS community was most acustomed to - we actually had a unique UI and pivoted towards HLTV layout since it's what ppl wanted

@metaltyphoon

Ай бұрын

@@AnthonySistilli makes sense, no need to reinvent much on something that you know works. CS player since 1999 btw 😂

@AnthonySistilli

Ай бұрын

@@metaltyphoon ayyy hahaha