This has been going on for decades! I personally knew a couple who couldn't get married or he'd lose ALL of his healthcare! He was disabled and relied on his healthcare coverage. It was just too much to pay for themselves without it, so they had a private "commitment ceremony" for their loved ones and themselves. It weighed heavily on them how discriminatory this was. And it still is.

@Traci_Websinger

2 жыл бұрын

And with that, there are so many downsides to not being married. If he's hospitalized, his 'spouse' would not be allowed to see him unless listed as his health care advocate. Without a will, his assets would go to any children or his parents/siblings. They pay higher taxes. All the issues that the LGBTQIA community went through before they had the right to marry.

@dianalynnelizabeth780

2 жыл бұрын

This is so messed up. This has to change.

@whitneyfjohnson

2 жыл бұрын

@@dianalynnelizabeth780 I totally agree this has to change its not fair the way government is treating people who has disabilities can't get married or anything like that

@aladdingames6557

Жыл бұрын

I agree it’s so messed up the government is controlling people disabilities we should all have rights what we wanna do in our lives the government shouldn’t get involved in their lives it’s in the constitution and crying out loud it’s in the first amendment freedom rights

@rogerlambert9316

Жыл бұрын

A commitment ceremony bond might not be considered a marriage in the eyes of the State, but it is considered a marriage in the eyes of my Goddess and my God.

I think theirs a connection between how our government treats people with disablities and how we treat the minimum wage. If they acknowledge that disability benefits are not enough to meet the costs of living in this country they then have to acknowledge that the minimum wage isnt enough to meet the costs of living either and they'll do everything they can to deny that including turning a blind eye to people with disabilities.

@JaybayJay

2 жыл бұрын

I'm Canadian.. Minimum Wage here take home turns out to be $1600 I think my young neighbor said.. Disability only gives us roughly $1100, depending on where you live. They know some area's like Toronto are more so ppl get a little more but compared to Minimum Wage is still not enough. Most single disabled people can't find affordable living even here and people look at us worse than if we were welfare frauds.

@christiandauz3742

2 жыл бұрын

If you think that's bad go live in the Southern US states

@justinserrano4506

2 жыл бұрын

@@JaybayJay disabled, 657 usd. Not enough for anything. I was lucky enough to get a part time but it’s literally killing me.

@JaybayJay

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinserrano4506 Jesus, that's not acceptable. Back in the mid 2000's here in Canada if you were caught working you were kicked off the system and punished. When I was diagnosed with Carpal they didn't think I'd work and I was like, "No, I can work from time to time when my hands aren't hurting right and you guy give nothing.." The worker and supervisor at the office both agreed and the whole system was changed here because of me lol. I called into their office once and they told me that, they were like,, your are literally the first so bear with us attitude.. So now, I'm bored and I'm doing it again. I talked to my worker 3 weeks ago about letting us have a business without being kicked off Disability. I can make KZread video's if I want, anyone with a cell can but in order to make any money I'd have to have a GST # and I can't have that under the current definition of law here regarding this. She liked the idea and is going to do some research on the matter and I had requested a 3way meeting with the Supervisor and Her regarding this request to pitch my idea as a pilot program and she said she'd get back to me. If it was a no I'd have already heard. It was 3 weeks ago and I'm still waiting. I'm calling tomorrow for an update. As I try to update this I'm also going to bring some awareness regarding food prices and inflation. The fact that minimum wage went up, gas went up,.. Everything's gone up. My disability is still the same and if I didn't have my Mom and Aunt here sharing the rent responsibilities I'd be tight trying to find an affordable single unit. It's impossible in today's society so I'm trying to get them to update that. As we update these things this gives you American's precedent to do the same. And you have to remember that gov is the voice of the people. I know it would be hard but all the people on disability in America started speaking out and Wage Shaming the Government about the funds you get, get media attention and everything.. Organize a peaceful protest at the white house for Disabled people.. The Squeaky wheel gets the grease.. Just do it very politely. The moment you start screaming they'll stop listening.

My husband's grandparents divorced after 50yrs just to be able to get the benefits and help they needed. They sold the family home they bought as a young bright eyed couple and moved into separate studio apartments. All to get $800 a month and $50 in food stamps. But the medicare was very helpful with the costly meds and treatment they needed. You shouldn't have to be reduced to rubble just to qualify to receive disability. They gave up their lives just to be able to live. That is just disgusting. And that this is even a thing is even more disturbing. This story is not a one off. They got the idea from another struggling elderly couple. They don't want you to be a burden but won't allow you to work, get married or move up in life. How does one imporove their situations with restrictions like that? It's counterproductive. And just plain inhumane.

@silverchords1277

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!! Hear, hear!!

@davenasty5085

7 ай бұрын

Well Said, underrated comment for real. You hit the nail on the head, why should people who love each other give up their status as being married to each other just to survive. *To a lot of people, Marriage means a lot more than the legal benefits (or seen here, loss of benefits), it is a sacred tradition to so many cultures. They want us to d!e alone poor and miserable because we cannot work inside their “Need-Machine” of insane UltraCapitalism.*

Government hasn't updated disability benefits and or insurance until this year where they gave a measly 5% increase to disability income but also increased the amount they have to pay for insurance. So the increase is negated.

@Josh-xl6zh

2 жыл бұрын

That was a cost of living adjustment not a change to the rules, they do that every year it just usually isn't so much

@sarahalderman3126

2 жыл бұрын

So get a part time job. Most people with disability are perfectly capable of working.

@Traci_Websinger

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahalderman3126 just for curiosity, what would you recommend? I am considering applying for disability. I worked retail for a fabric and crafts store for a little over 20 years. I am no longer able to work that job due primarily to arthritis. I used to be a programmer before that, but that was mainframe programming. My skills are completely out of date and I can't afford the schooling to upgrade them. That's assuming companies would hire someone my age. If I can't work retail, I sure as heck can't work in most of the other service industries and I have absolutely no interest in sitting at a phone bank in sales or collections, again, assuming someone would hire me.

@akasgsvirgil9503

2 жыл бұрын

@@Traci_Websinger First, what you would be applying for is disability benefits under the Social Security Act, assuming you live in the US. In order to qualify for disability benefits, you must show that you're disabled from your past relevant work through the production of medical records. If you have not been regularly seen by a doctor and do not have medical records to support your claim, you will no be approved. Next, if you are found to be disabled, the amount of your monthly benefits will be determined based upon the highest wages you've earned over the 20 years prior to the date Social Security determined you became disabled. This is based upon your Social Security Earnings Record. Under the Social Security Act, if you are receiving disability benefits, you can work and it will not disturb your entitlement to benefits for a period of up to 9 months. This is called a "return to work attempt". If you can sustain the employment for 9 months or longer, you will considered gainfully employed and your entitlement to benefits will end. However, if you cannot sustain the work, your benefits will continue uninterrupted. If you are approved for disability benefits and you get married, it will not effect your entitlement to those benefits. If you are receiving Survivor's Benefits due to the death of a spouse and you remarry before age 60, your entitlement to the Survivor's Benefits will end unless you are 50 or older and disabled. The information presented in this meme is misleading or otherwise, outright false. Its an obvious attempt to promote a specific political narrative ahead of November's elections. For complete information, contact the Social Security Administration or an attorney who specializes in Social Security Disability Law. Good luck.

Why is being poor illegal? Punish people for trying to have more out of life and punish people who don't.

@breakingbadheisenberg9703

2 жыл бұрын

Because politicians found it to be a winning political issue to get elected ! But alas they receive over 100 thousand a year with healthcare benefits and a lifetime pension .

My late husband was a head injury survivor when I met him and received disability benefits. I had no idea that when we eventually married that we would be penalized and he would lose his benefits and we would have to actually pay back his disability because I earned too much. We wound up having to pay back over $15,000.

Just another reason we need universal health care.

If we had a national healthcare system, we wouldn’t have these problems. Everything is tied to either your job or your lack of ability to have a job. The US stinks and I wish I could afford to leave. Everyone should have the right to basic healthcare.

@daysjours

2 жыл бұрын

@Dewaldt You do know that right now for-profit insurance companies who profit from denying you care and pocket 30% as middle men of every dollar spent on health care is now running your healhcare? You do know that despite the USA spending the most on healthcare the USA is ranked 38th in the world for healthcare. You do know that Medicare you go to the MD of your choice, pay $2,000 a year and zero more and your MD sends the bill to the gov´t and that if every American had Medicare there would be, per Harvard study, a savings of $700 billion annually.

@danielwebster8019

2 жыл бұрын

@Dewaldt alot of Americans don't care about there health, why should you when the only thing that you are is a slave and a consumer constantly berated by self righteous, entitled elitist jerks.

My partner is blind and African American, and I'm a Disabled Veteran at 100% compensation due to unemployability. We've been engaged 4, 5 years+ together. The hiatus that is keeping us from getting married is she will lose her Survivor's benefits. This video is correct about the undue burden on a partner to take care of someone, especially if they themselves are disabled. I hope this gets a lot more attention. Now SSA isn't supposed to count my income if we get married due to it being VA compensation. It doesn't count, but the Gov't will still try to find a way to make it a burden for us to get married.

@akasgsvirgil9503

2 жыл бұрын

How old is your partner? If they are 50 or older and disabled, getting remarried should not disturb her entitlement to Survivor's Benefits. Your assumption that your military benefits will be effected by getting married is simply not true.

Its disgusting discrimination

The point is cruelty, to shame & to discourage people from applying for their benefits. Because society looks upon disabled people as good-for-nothing, unworthy, leeches, esp if you have a mental illness.

It's the same here in Canada. Because I am on pwd I have to choose between financial help or love. It's disgusting and inhumane. I shouldn't have to choose between living with my boyfriend and marrying him or having an income. No one should! My disability should not burden the man I love. And we shouldn't be penalized for falling in love. This needs to change! Is discrimination and against a humans rights.

I’m engaged and this is hanging over my head heavily because of how badly I need Medicaid, and how that will change if we marry in the traditional sense. I can tell the idea of not getting married legally breaks my partner’s heart though, so it’s a really tough situation

As somebody who recently became disabled at the age of 29, it both kills and infuriates me that I had to choose between healthcare and those measley SSI checks or being able to marry someday when I would have loved to get married. Even just living with a partner without being married is risky as it could still cost me my benefits if the SSI finds out about it. It's utterly stupid to tie a disabled person's ability to get healthcare to their marriage or whether or not they have a live-in partner. Marriages and relationships can end at any time and they very often do. You know what will never go away? Their disability.

Thank you for trying to help!.. my husband recently became disabled. He did not have enough “ work credits “ so he only qualifies for SSI. They told us that 3 of the months we had too much in assets so he did not qualify for those 3 months. Because my name was on our daughters STUDENT bank account and her FEDERAL student loan money was deposited in that account ( to pay for college ) while living at college, he would be penalized!.. it’s absolutely PATHETIC! Not only that they would only give him half of his retro check and said we need to wait 6 mos for the other half!.. I’m disgusted with this country!. We wanted to try and buy a accessible vehicle with the retro. We can’t even go out of our house because the wheelchair he has is 400lbs and we don’t have a vehicle to transport it. This is so frustrating all I want to do is cry.

not just marriage we lose alot if we have even a room mate. So much for having a family or support system.

@breakingbadheisenberg9703

2 жыл бұрын

That's correct, they count the other person's income even if they are contributing only a small amount to household expenses!

@cielonehellofaservicedog4648

2 жыл бұрын

This isn't true for all states. Depends on ur states definition for "household member" where I live that is ONLY your spouse or dependants. They don't count parents or roommates for household members for the secondary welfare, like foodstamps.

Thank you! This is such a necessary dialogue that must continue!

I work for a disability advocate. The expectation of the spouse to take care of the disabled partner doesn’t take into account the increased burden that medical bills put on a family. It would even be a great relief if they allowed a medically disabled person to receive Medicaid/medicare despite not being technically disabled. They already do this for government employees that don’t pay into SSA. They are eligible to receive medicare but not monetary benefits.

@choccolocco

2 жыл бұрын

Just about impossible to get SSDI when married as well. I know ppl who had to divorce just for one of them to get the benefits they deserve. Why should a person become a dependent and not be able to at least help their spouse with a few bills? It’s bad enough for a person mentally to be disabled, worse when they feel like a burden to their spouse. Not to mention the problems that it can cause in a marriage. Meanwhile, you got ppl drawing $1000+ per month and STILL working full time, yet they’ll hound others regularly who truly cannot work. It’s sad.

@ToG_Michael

2 жыл бұрын

@@choccolocco it is sad but for clarification, SSDI doesn’t use income or assets as technical qualifiers. If you have accumulated at least 20 work credits in the last 10 years you meet the technical qualifications to receive SSDI/DIB. You are correct in saying that it is extremely difficult to get disability regardless of which benefit you are applying for. I don’t remember the exact percentage but I know over 80% of people are denied on the first decision and currently that is a 6 to 9 month wait time. If their case goes to a hearing it can take 2 to 3 years and that’s not even including if their case goes to the federal district court. In this period many people are driven to homelessness because they have to depend on local resources to help them in the meantime and where you live opens up an entirely different can of worms when it comes to what local resources are available.

Great video, thanks so much for sharing about this. I’ve never been able to marry because of these laws. I’m so afraid of losing the benefits that I rely on to stay alive that I’ve never entered into a serious relationship that might jeopardize my livelihood

The judge dismissed my disability case because my husband, who was making about $44,000 a year at the time "Made to much money".

I have a friend. He is on disability benefits and he can’t marry his long time gf. If he does then he would lose his disability benefits.

@dianalynnelizabeth780

2 жыл бұрын

😭😢💔 that is so horribly unfair.

Antiquated ideas are literally killing us.

@dianalynnelizabeth780

2 жыл бұрын

The GOP seem to think that they way forward, is to turn back the clock. Why not just pick someone to rule over “America” as king George III did. It’s disgusting.

I'm disabled and married and we don't make enough for one person! LOL! I am so lucky to have an aide who helps me go to the store for groceries, reminds me to eat, comes with me to doctors and helps me take a bath so my husband doesn't leave me or else I would be home alone all day having seizures and barely able to use my right side. I was given an alert button, but I keep telling them I can't press it if I'm having a seizure. Sometimes I feel like I'm not the one with the disability! 🤦🏻‍♀️ Medicare+Medicaid saved my life!

Yes if I got married my SSI would either go down or would not be given anymore. You cannot even live together with someone I want to live with my mother who is retired and my SSI would be cut down even living with a relative. I have heard from homeless people their SSI gets cut down to 500 as a result - the Gov thinks oh I guess they don't need that much if they don't pay rent somewhere! So CRAZY! It is ONLY 840 where I live and who can live on that amount? I have section 8 for rent help and without that I would be homeless too! It isn't fair. I would love to get married but most guys need a women with an income too cause the cost of living g makes it impossible to live on only ONE persons salary. Cause it is not the 1950's anymore. And so I am doomed to be alone because of this or find a man who is also disabled too or a man who doesn't mind supporting me.

I have severe spinal and nerve damage can barely walk a quarter mile. Have had 4 major surgeries.....im in my late 20s and have urinary incontinence. And it has been just harrowing trying to get any sort of benefits. I feel like the system wants people to commit sewicide unfortunetly. Like im so pathetic that im not deserving any sory of support.

I get 560 a month, bc I live with my "roommate" who provides everything else. I hate this country.

@dianalynnelizabeth780

2 жыл бұрын

Well, why not visit Jay’s comment up there who thinks the answer is to just not help disabled people at all. He thinks, it’s not everyone else’s problem. Apparently he doesn’t understand how a democracy is supposed to work. And even at it’s best, our democracy sucks right now and has so many issues within the system it’s ridiculous. And Jay up there thinks we should just take away all disability benefits apparently. @Jay Zee (look a few comments up. He doesn’t understand this problem. 🤦🏻‍♀️ he (& others with his attitude) are the reason the system is so screwed up.

@pinklilyz420

Жыл бұрын

It's the same in Canada. It's disgusting!

This needs to have national coverage. As someone with a disability, I would lose my ventilator and everything most likely if I got married.

Been with my wife for 16 years, 9 married. She got sick and has been waiting for disability to kick in for a 1 and 1/2 years. Down to a single income having to turn down raises and bonuses at work even though we are barely scraping by, floating month to month. I'm at the $ cap before she loses her Healthcare. Without it, her treatment would cost me almost $50k per month out of pocket. Getting divorced is an option brought up to us. MURICA, yeah I'm over this country. Meanwhile, Republikkkans want to get rid of Social Security. So their retired and disabled constituents don't matter to them either.

And this is why me and my partner can't get married

its insane this been on going and constantly ignored over and over again. its so messed up!

I am in the process of getting my SSI now;however, my dad is having heart problems and I worried because I am his only child which means if he dies I get the house and his debt! Therefore I lose SSI before I even get it and I can't afford to lose it!

@KrisRyanStallard

2 жыл бұрын

You won't get any of his debts. If there is a mortgage on the house you will have to be able to refinance the mortgage or the house will be sold to pay the existing mortgage. For SSI, you can own one home without it counting against you. If your inheritance or life insurance pay out puts you over income limitations, your benefits will be paused until you spend down the money or transfer property to other people. Once you're below limits your benefits resume.

@cielonehellofaservicedog4648

2 жыл бұрын

You need ur farther to place the house and liquid assests into a living trust. That way you are only a beneficiary and do not technically own the home, the trust owns the home. Also, tell him to place money in a roth IRA, so when u take it out u don't get taxed again on it.

I'm 30, disabled by Multiple Sclerosis, have been in a loving committed relationship with my partner for over 10 years and yet, this is precisely why we haven't married. . .😔

I've been in a committed relationship for 16 years with 3 children from it but can't get married bc i wouldn't be able to access my 'divorced disabled widow' status which kicks in at 50yo. I just turned 50yo but still am prohibited from marriage until retirement age if i want to get my full benefits. It almost broke us early on but we are still together. I asked why & no one had an answer except to say that my husband (who's also disabled) would need to care for me if we married. Not the state or feds. Sucks they only recognize the abusive former relationship as legit & not the committed one.

I'm in this boat, I can never marry because I would lose my SSDI and it's what keeps me afloat I couldn't survive without it, this law needs to be changed.

Who didn't know this? Oh, those with good health and young. Okay! Never mind.

This is exactly right because even with the increase that we got I still live below the poverty line and even if I could find a job that job would threaten what income I have because honestly you get $1 above a certain amount you're done you lose half of your income or not quite half but I get social security and SSI because my social security is not enough to live on and even with the increase I may get $13,000 a year maybe I haven't done the math on it and that is not enough to live on for anybody I mean maybe in Missouri or something like that where they have a much lower cost of living but if I lived in Missouri I'd get even less money because I wouldn't qualify for SSI in Missouri. It's like that gentleman said you get enough so you don't die but not enough to thrive on not enough to really live it's almost a subsistence even where I able to live on my own emotionally and everything else in handle everything I couldn't financially do it I can't afford to pay my rent and the bills the utilities just don't have it even if I didn't have a cell phone or cable I couldn't afford it just to pay electric and gas yeah I could afford it when I lived in a studio apartment that was roach infested why I was sick the whole year I lived there I could barely afford it didn't qualify for food stamps back then so if it wasn't for my family giving me food I wouldn't have been able to eat.

Someone should really talk to the president about this. This needs to change. This has been going on for a long time now for many of years now.

I am cursing my head off as I watch this.

Same thing happens when you are low income as well (a lot of disabled persons are also low income). A low income woman (especially is she has at least one child) whom is legally single, has better odds getting healthcare and food. But if she gets married, her spouse's income will be factored.

Great video!

Didn’t know about any of this!

The last minute was the most salient. I can't imagine this nmd striking in my 20s and surviving

Interestingly enough, wealthy disabled people generally don’t worry about SSI income. Working class is the different story.

I’m in the Same boat with so many of You, comrades, it’s just my fiancé is also not an American citizen, and *the only way I can give her that citizenship disqualifies me for my benefits (while I get immediate citizenship in her country just for marrying her, for free). Bringing her here also costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. I don’t know if she will be able to handle the burden of me in this Eugenics Dystopia we didn’t even realize we still lived in til it bit us. I don’t know if She (or anyone) could ever love me enough to support me the way I need FOREVER, but she says she wants to be there in sickness and in health, in every way. To me, coming from a family that experienced and fled the Holocaust in Slovakia and knowing the deeper often untold history, this feels a lot like Amerika took the ideas of Eugenics deeper down in their Hearts and they continued, just without being so visible in what they are doing.* Many Americans in other comments sections on the subject (especially when it includes the couple having a baby together, god forbid we reproduce🙄). So so many people saying we don’t have the Right to continue Our Bloodlines (as if that’s most important to Us) and that we could never be good parents. It’s obvious that the American Far Right and even the Centrists (I mean Neoliberals) *don’t believe we should be allowed to have Families or even Love, since “we are so worthless” to Them. All because we don’t feed their evil Money-Machine that spends far more on Wars than it ever did for its own citizens. Over a Hundred Trillion USD goes to foreign Proxy Wars for literal ЄтнnoStates, when 20 billion would solve homelessness, imagine even the 1.4 TRILLION that America “just loses, disappears into black projects, unaccounted for” but IMAGINE WHAT ONE TRILLION USD WOULD DO FOR THOSE ON SSDI AND MEDICAID! Imagine holding these government officials accountable to the People! We have Not Yet Lost Our Fight!*

Congratulations! This is America! This is capitalism! You vote for this.

@pinklilyz420

Жыл бұрын

Not just America. It's the same here in Canada. This is government! They want us to suffer.

With a heavy heart reading these, I’m in the very Same boat with so many of You, comrades, it’s just my fiancé is also not an American citizen, and *the only way I can give her that citizenship disqualifies me for my benefits (while I get immediate citizenship in her country just for marrying her, for free). Bringing her here also costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. I don’t know if she will be able to handle the burden of me in this Eugenics Dystopia we didn’t even realize we still lived in til it bit us. I don’t know if She (or anyone) could ever love me enough to support me the way I need FOREVER, but she says she wants to be there in sickness and in health, in every way. To me, coming from a family that experienced and fled the Holocaust in Slovakia and knowing the deeper often untold history, this feels a lot like Amerika took the ideas of Eugenics deeper down in their Hearts and they continued, just without being so visible in what they are doing.* Many Americans in other comments sections on the subject (especially when it includes the couple having a baby together, god forbid we reproduce🙄). So so many people saying we don’t have the Right to continue Our Bloodlines (as if that’s most important to Us) and that we could never be good parents. It’s obvious that the American Far Right and even the Centrists (I mean Neoliberals) *don’t believe we should be allowed to have Families or even Love, since “we are so worthless” to Them. All because we don’t feed their evil Money-Machine that spends far more on Wars than it ever did for its own citizens. Over a Hundred Trillion USD goes to foreign Proxy Wars for literal ЄтнnoStates, when 20 billion would solve homelessness, imagine even the 1.4 TRILLION that America “just loses, disappears into black projects, unaccounted for” but IMAGINE WHAT ONE TRILLION USD WOULD DO FOR THOSE ON SSDI AND MEDICAID! Imagine holding these government officials accountable to the People! We have Not Yet Lost Our Fight!*

This is about people who do not have the work crédits and on Medicaid. Not SSDI which is based on your work history and the amount you get depends on average of what you make. SSI which she is talking about people who have not worked enough to get SSDI and you get like $800 à month. SSDI is about twice that. Both are way to low since they also take Medicare cost out of SSDI.

@cielonehellofaservicedog4648

2 жыл бұрын

You can get SSDI without the work credits, but it is only for child to adult beneficiaries who were disabled before 22 years old.

@TillieElaine

2 жыл бұрын

In my state I have SSDI and am not eligible for Medicaid because I get 1200 a month. I was put on Medicare which has a monthly payment and doesn’t pay for much

Laws need to change!

Criminal

One reason I have not married

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I have cp and my fiancé Nick has drown symptom we live in Canada this not far we marrying because we love each other ❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤

This is what happens when ypu put the government in charge of everything...

@breakingbadheisenberg9703

2 жыл бұрын

No ! This is what happens when politicians stop working for the American people and play the middle and upper class against the poor !

Correct me if I am wrong… but if a person when married gets over the threshold of the stated economic status that means that their partner should be able to support them and not rely on the government? That sounds reasonable… if change needs to be made it is probably in the marital income threshold.

@SunshineCasy

2 жыл бұрын

How is the partner going to support themselves and a disadvantaged person when you already need two incomes to support a household? I'm a disabled person who relies on benefits that would disappear with marriage. We're telling people what our lives are like.

@KrisRyanStallard

2 жыл бұрын

The marital income threshold very much needs updating. Currently, if two people on SSI were to marry they would get their benefits CUT as a result of the income threshold. SSI is currently only about $830 a month, so imagine getting less than that after marriage. And then face the very real possibility of losing medical benefits, food benefits, housing, etc. Many disabled people need care that simply isn't covered by private insurance, so even if the spouse has a good paying job and insurance, the disabled person would still lose vital care as a result.

@tuckerspeltz6423

2 жыл бұрын

@@KrisRyanStallard I think I’m understanding. This is a good point. What income threshold would be appropriate for it to move and how could it be adjusted over time to make it not be a problem again in the future? Love this discussion and I think it has value to propose specific policy changes to problems rather than just bring them up without putting forth solutions.

Luckily I don’t want to get married. I’m asexual.

Hmmm. I am married and my spouse takes care of me because that is what comes with being married. I dont expect my neighbor or the govt to take care of me. 92k a year is a lot of money, not everyone can be a hunter biden.

@kooler999ify

2 жыл бұрын

That's kinda true

@golantrevize515

2 жыл бұрын

Do you realise that all your stories do not add up? You are a pathological liar and a really bad one! 😘

@CChrist-mh4mk

2 жыл бұрын

And this is why you aren’t a real American.

@sarahalderman3126

2 жыл бұрын

No KIDDING! $92k is a heck of a lot of money. Why on earth would I have to help someone financially when they already make far more than I? If they’re pulling $92k a year they can pay for their own repairs, insurance, and expenses just like the rest of us!

@CChrist-mh4mk

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahalderman3126 you clearly don’t understand how expensive a lot of disabilities are. So why comment?

Why anybody would want to include a third party, especially the government, in their personal relationships is beyond me. Marriage as an institution is dead. Feminism and the government killed it.

@KrisRyanStallard

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like you aren't a big fan of marriage yourself. The reason a lot of people still get married is there are 1,138 laws at just the federal level that impacts the way you are treated depending on if a couple is married. That's not even considering things at the state level. If you aren't married, no matter how much you love each other, you are strangers under the law. This impacts splitting of assets if the relationship ends, child custody, inheritance, your credit score and insurance rates, medical decision making, and many more areas. If your partner was hospitalized and you aren't married, their biological family can keep you from seeing them. They can even keep you from the funeral of they die.

@cielonehellofaservicedog4648

2 жыл бұрын

Marriage isn't dead, it is alive and well, just not fully inclusive yet. The only thing that is dead is christo-fascists deciding who gets to marry or not, based on their dumbass fairytale.

Then don't get married, problem solved. You don't have to be married and you don't need a license to love someone.

@x-pilot6180

2 жыл бұрын

But you cannot be with your loved one in the final hours when you are not married. You and your loved one also cannot make certain decisions for each other … !

@levist9535

2 жыл бұрын

"Then don't get healthcare benefits from marriage then! Problem solved" What would actually solve this problem is not having marriage inequality and instead make sure it's a protected right to get married to whoever you want (of course fully consenting, like two adults), have health care benefits for cheap or free for disabled and able bodied people and etc

@nuclearcatbaby1131

2 жыл бұрын

Why do only married couples get these benefits anyway?

@kooler999ify

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's more to do of their financial status than anything. For example, if a super wealthy rich dude married a super wealthy woman and both became disabled then they would have the financial means to take care of themselves and wouldn't need govt health care. Whereas, a disabled couple or single who are super poor would need the health care more than the rich couple. So it becomes more of an abuse of the system. The best solution is to offer universal health care to all.

@ese_cholito

2 жыл бұрын

@@x-pilot6180 That's because we've set up rules and laws that surround the institution of marriage. Get rid of those rules, the need for government regulation of marriage would be meaningless. What you people want is for the government to have MORE control over peoples marriages, not less.

So…what’s the issue here? I’m confused. The process says you pay for your care if youre single and if you get married your spouse helps out. What’s the problem here? Why should the rest of society be responsible for taking care of your healthcare, especially if you get married and have a spouse who is able to help do that for you? Youre capable enough to hold a solid relationship to the point of a lifelong commitment but youre unable to pay the bills you’ve paid your whole life up until that point? What?

@hannahhester8376

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is, so I'm disabled, I do have a job, but I don't want to loose my healthcare stuff. If I got married to someone, my doctor's appointments wouldn't be paid for, my dental stuff wouldn't be paid for, I have to be SO careful to not go over my limit with how much money I can earn, or everything gets ripped out under my feet. It's not saying we can't pay our bills, no a lot of disabled people can work, it's just we actually do need that little bit of extra stuff. Your spouse helping out...what if something happened to me? Like I got in a wreck or whatever? We wouldn't be able to pay the medical bills on top of the other stuff, because my benefits would be gone.

@hannahhester8376

2 жыл бұрын

My income would join with theirs, if they make over a certain thing, bye all my benefits. It's even worse if two disabled people get married, because you could loose both your benefits.

@KrisRyanStallard

2 жыл бұрын

Jay, this issue is that the income limits for things like Medicaid, SSI, and SNAP benefits are so low that combining the income of two people on SSI (which is just $830 a month) is enough to put people over the income limits. Additionally, if two people with SSI marry their benefits get cut so they are each receiving less than that $830 a month. If a disabled person marries someone who isn't disabled and is working, they lose their SSI, Medicaid, food, and housing benefits. The spouse working can be making as little as minimum wage to put them over income limits for these benefits. This means that if you're disabled you go from having a small income to being a financial burden on your spouse. If both spouses happen to own a car before marriage, they have to sell one after getting married or their over asset limits. Same thing with property and savings. Things have to be sold off and spent down in order for them to maintain benefits. People with disabilities often need specialized and expensive care that simply isn't covered by private insurance and is cost prohibitive for most people. Even mundane things like a home health aid or assistance with the cost of travel to doctors appointments get taken away. Being disabled in this country is to be forced into poverty, and then we say to them that if you dare to get married we're going to take away what little you have.

@tuckerspeltz6423

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking. This logic seems sound. In America if you can afford to pay the government should not.

@dianalynnelizabeth780

2 жыл бұрын

@@KrisRyanStallard you explained this superbly. It’s so incredibly wrong.

The Solution: Don't Get Married (you're not a victim).

@levist9535

2 жыл бұрын

Literally isn't the solution. What's the solution is having better Healthcare benefits for cheaper or free and making sure there is no marriage inequality

@Traci_Websinger

2 жыл бұрын

If that were the case, the LGBTQIA community wouldn't have fought so hard for the ability to be married. With marriage comes tax benefits. It also affects your ability to see and understand what your partner is going through if they are in the hospital. When one of you dies, your assets are protected if there isn't a will. And much more. Some of this can be worked around by having a will, a living will, a health advocate, etc. But marriage cuts through a lot of red tape.

@asurrealistworld4412

Жыл бұрын

I mean if I choose to not be a monastic then I have to get married. It would feel weird for me to have a marriage ceremony and then tell everybody that "well I'm not "technically legally married". If I tell people I'm not married when I made a vow to be with my spouse for the rest of my life just because the state treats married and unmarried people differently for some dumb reason it just feels like I'm lying and that is no good.

Here's an idea, don't get married then. This is obviously in place so people don't take advantage I suppose.

@RiamsWorld

2 жыл бұрын

Then you lose things like hospital visitation rights.