To be fair to the Doctors, they've been in so many prisons over the years, that the notion of the door being left unlocked would be ridiculous.

@mrbubbles6468

Жыл бұрын

And therefore the first thing they should have tried. The fact that they did not just makes them stupid.

@WRAAEEE

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbubbles6468 how you managed to entirely miss the point of OP is beyond me

@Barely_Edited

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbubbles6468 First person: the idea would be completely ridiculous Second person (you): that’s why they should have tried it!

@user-pm3wk6lw6m

Жыл бұрын

@@Barely_Edited to be fair, Doctor is always up to ridiculous ideas. But maybe when he has no one to show off for, he is less... Erratic. And then again, they were kinda stressed by physical presence of their haunting past/disappointing future and doomsday device ai.

@TempestGhost

Жыл бұрын

The time when overthinking the situation immediately does nothing.

If 10 is "The Man Who Regrets" and 11 is "The Man Who Forgets" I'd like to think that 9 is "The Man Who Mourns"

@henrywilson2136

Жыл бұрын

12 is the man who forgives.

@SentryDoesRetro

Жыл бұрын

@@henrywilson2136 13 is the (wo)man who doesn't exist

@passwordprotected5234

10 ай бұрын

​@@henrywilson213613 is The Woman Who Moves On

@IsiahTomas

10 ай бұрын

​I don't think I ever want to imagine being responsible for that much death and the stages of post stress you live with, even after you find out you *SPOILERS*.

@fink_rat

9 ай бұрын

​@@henrywilson2136to play into the -ts suffix their titles have, I always call 12 The Man Who Accepts

My heart breaks for Matt Smith's Doctor in this scene, seeing just how broken he was at that point. The youngest actor playing the oldest Doctor and I never doubted it for a second.

@couthlazer

Жыл бұрын

In a way all 3 doctors are going through something at this point, the war doctors going through the time war and is mourning the people he lost, the 10th is going his meta crisis arc and the time lord victorious arc as well as dealing with the prophecy of his death and the 11th is going through trensalore. They are all dealing with something so it's understandable that the doctor forgot.

@MLaak86

Жыл бұрын

Smith did a fantastic job, imo, of showing just how incredibly ancient the Doctor is and how tired he is. Not that Tennant didn't communicate that at times as well, but his Doctor felt as though he was usually barely holding back a righteous fury and or deep pain as opposed to simply being tired beneath all the maniac energy and such.

@michaeldaniels642

Жыл бұрын

@@couthlazer don't forget that 11th thought he was the last Doctor

@couthlazer

Жыл бұрын

@@michaeldaniels642 forgot about that but still good point

@MLaak86

Жыл бұрын

@@michaeldaniels642 indeed, and by this point thinks he knows where he will die and that it’s just a matter of time.

This shows how much the Doctor hates himself, the way they talk to themselves in the most brutally honest way, almost about to throw hands at each other.

@MLaak86

Жыл бұрын

Along with how The Dream Lord behaves and how 11 instantly realises who he is because of the sheer depth of loathing he has for him.

@heymikey4025

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard that the novel tie in actually has 10 more physically going after 11 in this scene…

@dr.quackenbacker5247

Жыл бұрын

@heymikey4025 Ten does. He grapples eleven into a headlock and throws him against the wall.

@UltraCheesecakeFace

4 ай бұрын

I really like how in the episode ‘Time Heist’, The Doctor figures out he’s The Architect ENTIRELY based on how intensely he hates this person he never met. Just like “Wait a minute… I could never hate another person as much as I hate myself. So I must have been the one to set all this up!”

@EasypeasyLemon-squeezy

3 ай бұрын

​@@dr.quackenbacker5247in which episode he throw him?

I love the fact that this scene establishes that there was an ongoing calculation hard-coded into the software of the sonic screwdriver for 400 years that ultimately turned out to be utterly pointless

@Prince19912

9 ай бұрын

Pointless for its intended purpose yet it was the single most important calculation the Doctor ever started because it inspired another calculation; the one needed to determine exactly how to freeze Gallifrey in time like a stasis cube using multiple Doctors over hundreds of years. If they hadn't tried to do what they did to this door, they wouldn't have come up with the solution of how to save Gallifrey during The Time War

@legobi_wan_kenobi

9 ай бұрын

@@Prince19912 okay but the raw calculation within the sonic's software was ultimately pointless, it might have inspired a greater calculation (by some nonsense that doesn't make sense) but it doesn't change the fact that the calculation itself was for nothing like, the ZX Spectrum inspired the Apple Mac but it doesn't change the fact that the ZX Spectrum itself was garbage

@ZION73082

7 ай бұрын

Actually it wasn't just necessarily pointless if you remember during 9th's run and 10th's run there's a couple of times that they tried to use the Sonic screwdriver on locked wood doors and then used the phrase It's wood, it doesn't work on wood. So all this time during 9th's run and 10th's run when they couldn't use the Sonic screwdriver on wood it was still processing that wooden door. 😑🤦‍♂️

@nat9380

5 ай бұрын

​@@Prince19912it's a shame it all got undone in one chibnall episode

@ZION73082

5 ай бұрын

@@nat9380 ChinBalls! ☠️🤣😉😏😔

It took 3 doctors 400 years to get through an unlocked door.

@RandomAmerican3000

Жыл бұрын

Just don't ask the Master how long it took him to climb out of a sewer.

@r0bw00d

Жыл бұрын

Q: How many Doctors does it take to open a door? A: Three, but a companion does it for them.

@CindyHelms

Жыл бұрын

Yep.

@Slopmaster

Жыл бұрын

@@RandomAmerican3000he’ll tell you later…

@Metrion77

Жыл бұрын

Just don't ask them to change a lightbulb.

In the novelization the tenth and eleventh doctors get into an actual physical fight in this scene. The war doctor has to get in between to stop them.

@danofthehour4119

Жыл бұрын

Not sure I like the part where 11 forgets his kill count because river physically wiped it from his memory. Prefer the idea that he’s pretending to be oblivious.

@CosmicNerdStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@danofthehour4119 that novelization is such a mixed bag, it adds tons of good ideas and exposition but also I'm not particularly sure how good Moffat is at writing prose, which leads to "oh yeah the doctor had his memories of the moment wiped by a therapy bot"

@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS

Жыл бұрын

@@CosmicNerdStudios It also mentions that elixer 8 drank to become war...didn't make him a warrior. That was all the Doctor. It was a placebo. Dryice and lemon. At least I heard.

@FranciscoShreds

Жыл бұрын

Wait, theres novels?

@CosmicNerdStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@FranciscoShreds yeah! There are some original books, but during the classic era there were target novelizations of the episodes, and they recently started putting some out for new-who as well! Stephen moffat wrote the day of the doctor one and Davies wrote the novelization for rose! It's just a random mix of mostly 11 and 13 stories right now I think tho. They have super cool covers I love tho which is why I like buying them even if sometimes the writing is a bit weird like the day of the doctor one

"It just occurred to me, this is what I'm like when I'm alone" that's such a heartbreaking line with so much weight.

I love watching Matt and David act off eachother in THAT exchange. Like, David is an amazing actor and one of my all time favourites, but Matt was matching that intensity and taking it up a notch. Absolutely heart wrenching

@robcandy9273

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the reaction on David's face to Matt's "you really wouldn't" is great. However remember credit to the editor. Most of an actor's performance is in how their scene is cut

@agentchaos9332

Жыл бұрын

9 times out of ten, I'd tell you that David does the serious/Intimidating scenes better then Matt. But I think this is the tenth time

@_.violyse._

11 ай бұрын

​@@agentchaos9332 9 times out of 10 Matt was dealing with a worse script.

@KaiSmith-vb6up

7 ай бұрын

OH MY GOD I AGREE BY A MILLION. YOU READ MY MIND

@hal0justcal865

7 ай бұрын

Miss tennant sm😢

"You forgot! 400 years, is that all it takes?" David Tennant will always be my Doctor. Matt Smith was exceptional, Christopher Eccleston's run was over too soon and Peter Capaldi never had the material he deserved to work with, but David... as far as I am concerned he was THE Doctor. He truly embodied everything that makes the Doctor so memorable and timeless.

@jet9297

Жыл бұрын

Hes also the only one to embody 3 doctors no one has even got past 2 yet apart from him

@scatterbunny35

Жыл бұрын

@@jet9297 Three? 10, 14, and... who else am I missing....?

@jet9297

Жыл бұрын

@@scatterbunny35 10 had two regens remember? He got shot by the dalek and threw all his regen energy into his chopped hand

@luisfillipebeserra2108

Жыл бұрын

@@jet9297 and wasted 1 extra regeneration with it ending up on 11 faces and not 12 like the original cycle

@masterzombie161

Жыл бұрын

I agree, the series felt flat after the 10th doctors end.

The crazy thing is that even though 11 says he doesn’t know that look he gives right before he answers says that he knows the exact number

@renegarza9

Жыл бұрын

Or that he’s ashamed he forgotton

@CosmicNerdStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@renegarza9 in the novelization he actually had his memories of it wiped, which I'm not a big fan of. I prefer it being ambiguous if it's because he's lying to make himself feel better, or that he's genuinely so old and moved on to the point he can't remember

@sammykent5752

Жыл бұрын

@@CosmicNerdStudios I don't like that.

@CosmicNerdStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@sammykent5752 oh same, I much prefer the ambiguity the show gave, the book is interesting but I think Moffat went a bit off the rails with it in some places

@akodaah13-e32

Жыл бұрын

I think that is more like the 11th doctor tries to avoid the feelings of guilt and sorrow by just avoiding/trying to forget the time war, while the 10th doctor keeps himself in the bottom of a pit full of guilt, self hatred, rage and sorrow for all the things he's done and is angry at his future self to just avoid or try to forget the painful stuff

The thing about Matt Smith is when he was first cast, one complaint was that he looked too young. From the first episode and especially here. I always felt he came off as an old man in a young body. I swear he seems like the old man in this trio. Youngest looking but carries himself as an older man. With Hurt looking for guidance as a young one. Tennant the pep of a teenager.

@deadpooldan9862

11 ай бұрын

Honestly, 10 had some dark moments and 11 was mostly childish, but 11 had the most dark moments, especially when angered or his friends put in danger like Amy and Melody. He’s the oldest, and even though 12 had dark moments too, those feel less than 11’s, barring the coup on Gallifrey and trying to bring back Clara, but he was literally trapped in a hell made specifically for him beforehand, so he had a reason to be like that and an excuse

Credit to Billie Piper for not only her wonderful stints as Rose, but also for being The Moment. She was wonderful.

@literallyanangrymoose7717

7 ай бұрын

Not at all. Personally I feel like this awful obsession with Rose is the biggest blight on that era of the show by far. She ruins every episode she's in. But no, we had to get her bucktoothed actress portraying the Moment.

@weeping_me362

6 ай бұрын

​@literallyanangrymoose7717 I can understand not liking the character, I disagree but that's all well and good, but there's no reason to bring her teeth into it. Has nothing to do with her acting capability. She does quite well as The Moment

@zachanikwano

5 ай бұрын

@@literallyanangrymoose7717 The moment you insulted her physical attributes I checked out. Piper’s acting is amazing here.

The way these actors (and the show) manage to shift the mood so rapidly from is absolutely incredible.

@Sillimant_

Жыл бұрын

Managed, past tense

“Do you have to talk like Children? What is that makes you so ashamed of being a Grown Up?” You said it yourself, there’s no point in being Grown Up if you can’t be Childish sometimes.

@ohwowitsthatguy9154

Жыл бұрын

I firmly believe that this encounter with the War Doctor strongly influenced 11's regeneration into 12. It was time for the Doctor to no longer be ashamed of the past and their age.

@dclaiche

Жыл бұрын

I think this statement by the war doctor is meant to be a contradiction of the third doctor. He’s older and no longer believes what he once believed. It shows how “not the doctor” the war doctor really is.

@XLR108

Жыл бұрын

Soo... "Stop hitting yourself"?

@darrylcole3671

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind, the war doctor is older than the 4th. I know I don’t agree with plenty of beliefs I had when I was even ten years younger, not to mention how different they would be if I was that much older.

@neilsworldwide

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but he seams to have gone back on that word once he became a warrior.

What I like most about this scene is that it embodies David's 10th Doctor to a T. He was always the guy who regretted what happened during the time war, but never tried to end it differently (see School Reunion). His anger at the 11th forgetting is 100% on point for his character. Good job by the writers.

@Twisted_Code

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it's almost like they have the same actor playing the part or something. But I get what you're saying, I'm glad he still nailed the character even after a considerable break.

@AlexTheOilersFan

10 ай бұрын

@@Twisted_Code I was talking more of the writers for this scene. They took what Russell made the 10th Doctor be and stuck with it

This moment is a perfect microcosm of the show. The doctor get wrapped around inside his own head for the vast majority of the time, but is in fact smart enough to devise a solution, then a companion arrives to ask the question the doctor completely forgot rendering the entire wrap around moot. I love it. In this case there happen to be 3 doctors, so the wrap around if fully externalized.

@Badartist888

7 ай бұрын

That is true for a lot but one thing I liked about old who was that sometimes companions were just plain smarter than the Dr, at least in their areas of specialty.

@grantharriman284

7 ай бұрын

@@Badartist888 That's certainly true, though modern who has a harder time with that as the mythos of the invincible Time Lord who won the time war has been built up so much that giving him(or on occasion her) weaknesses without damaging that image is extremely difficult. I think it should still be done, and 12 being largely unable to empathize with normal people for much of his run is one of my favorite parts of the show. Having to rely on his companion rather than simply dragging them along behind him as he handles everything.

"For once, I would like to know where i'm goin... -No, you really wouldn't." And those eyes. Those deep, terrified eyes are enough to make 10th reconsider. He saw 11th lived some terrible moment he moved on from. And stoped the argument immediatly.

Admittedly, the War Doctor’s plan was pretty clever

@devinbrown6650

Жыл бұрын

I just realized..how did Clara arrive in the past?

@ShugoAWay

Жыл бұрын

@@devinbrown6650 cup of noodles

@ryanbelcher25rb

Жыл бұрын

@@devinbrown6650 Captain Jack's Vortex Manipulator

@ArenJohnson

Жыл бұрын

@@devinbrown6650 it was 11's escape plan. He gave her the code to the vortex manipulator, which is what he was engraving in the wall. While his past selves were talking he was taking action.

@Blazieth

Жыл бұрын

@@ArenJohnson Furthermore, while being taken prisoner in front of the time wormhole, he announces loudly that he wants to be taken to the dungeon in the Tower of London, which tells Kate Stewart in particular that he's going to leave a message for them there, that message being the code in question that he's carving into the pillar.

"The one who regrets, and the one who forgets". Tennant is definitely my favorite doctor, but I always forget how sad Smith's doctor is. He's trying to forget. He's trying to be better. He's trying to forget what he's done, and who he was. He's so childish yet so old in the same breath. It hurts

Can we talk about how the music adds so much to this scene. The violin line when Hurt asks the question. That change in pitch when 10 says ”2.47 billion” It’s perfect.

@tommyleesowman2088

Жыл бұрын

Plus the fact that’s 2.47 children not adults so he the number is probably like 10 billion

"Sorry, it's just occurred to me, this is what I'm like when I'm alone." Such a good and clever line.

eleventh roasting himself when he noticed how he truly acts when he is alone, hinting that he is going crazy without any companions around him to get himself grounded

"To that, I have no idea." Tennant's glare at that line. WOW! This really captured three different perspectives of the same man. The man who forgets, the man who regrets, and the man who is still lost. Edit: I also love the return of the Bad Wolf. It really does a great job bringing us back to the 9th Doctor and his one season. Making Rose Tyler this avatar of time.

@Blazieth

Жыл бұрын

Ten glaring at Eleven because Ten *does* know, and it means one of two things: Eleven's either lying... or he's forgotten. And Ten's not sure which one is worse.

do you think the 11th doctor made that face when the war doctor said "Timey whimey" because he realized where he got that from

@RileyWritey

Жыл бұрын

War was repeating what Ten said. Eleven's look is probably just him feeling awkward about the fact his younger self is basically calling him cringe.

@alphyy3107

Жыл бұрын

@@RileyWritey I mean I wouldn't think that's the case because they've been in this situation before multiple times. surely they're used to it

@heymikey4025

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean that 11 thinks that the time whimey bit became somewhat of a bootstrap paradox (self fulfilling prophecy) with the war Doctor learning it from the others and then eventually 10 uses it in Blink? (Though there was the transcript that was also a bootstrap paradox in Blink but obviously timey whimey came from somewhere)

@demonking86420

Жыл бұрын

Ten first said that in Blink So who knows if Ten retroactively introduced the phrase to War Doctor meaning Ten knew the phrase since two regenerations ago

@alphyy3107

Жыл бұрын

@Lord Habitaxe of Prydonia Not a far fetch. Especially considering 2 regenerations ago would've actually been 1 regeneration ago since it was supposed to be 9 saying that line. when 10 first says it, it's when it sounds like he's trying to recall something that his predecessors would use.

1:52 The fact that what the Doctor's gone through is enough to make the children of Gallifrey an afterthough. You really see how much that terrifies 10 as he wants to know how, with 11 standing firm, believing that the future he is to them should not and *will* not be told.

@michaeldaniels642

Жыл бұрын

11 thought he knew their end.

@ZETH_27

Жыл бұрын

@@michaeldaniels642 At that point it *was* their end. It was entirely know he was only supposed to have 12 regenerations. and Smith was the last regeneration. All his previous lives as well as him knew he was going to die after this, which is also why we actualyl get to see him age throughout the last episodes. The timlords gifting him a new regeneration cycle was what ultimately broke this, but it also ended up sort of "resetting" the doctor.

@michaeldaniels642

Жыл бұрын

@@ZETH_27 I didn't just mean knowing he was the last Doctor, I meant he thought he'd die on Trensalore.

@UnstableEquilibrium

Жыл бұрын

It is _fascinating_ seeing 10's face become scared in that moment.

John Hurt is absolutely magic in this episode, but knowing it was originally supposed to be Eccleston as Nine both breaks my heart - Nine is my boy forever - and also makes me wonder how different the dynamic in scenes like this would've been. He was the one who already survived and had ended the Time War. I also wonder how Paul McGann would've played this. Had it just been written that there was no seperate War Doctor, and Eight took the entire Time War for himself. Again, how different would the dynamics have been? Again, John Hurt as War is amazing and we got pure magic from these three. But I can't help but wonder. 💖

@lochness5524

Жыл бұрын

Last year I got to meet Christopher Eccleston at a convention. He explained that one of the reasons why he didn’t come back for the 60th was because he doesn’t like crossovers, sees them as cash grabs (with the exception of Infinity War and Endgame since they were already building up to them)

@homerola2

Жыл бұрын

​@@lochness5524 I mean, the entire MCU is a cash grab in and of itself...

@lochness5524

Жыл бұрын

@@homerola2 well it is now with how much the “quantity over quality” situation they had in phase 4, but before that they built up for these characters to meet up to fight the big bad, one that would impact all of their storyline’s in the long term

@Rekubot

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure Eccleston had good reason to be cynical, but I wish he'd had a little more faith in the showrunners because this episode was brilliant and worthy of his time imo

@LordTalax

10 ай бұрын

Meh 9 was overdramatic then the actor ditched the role after only one year. He's best left in the past.

They actually reference this scene in Capaldi's regeneration. When he goes to escape the unlocked room his companions stuck him in he considers using the door, says "Not me..." before using the window instead.

@APlatypus

10 ай бұрын

*post-regeneration

“I don’t know who you are, either of you, I haven’t the faintest idea” This line always moves me to tears because of how much War Doctor is ashamed of his future selves

I've always loved this scene. The War Doctor isn't yet living with the weight of having killed his people, and so Ten and Eleven are in such different places emotionally to him that they might as well be complete strangers. For Ten, the pain is freshest and he's still carrying all that regret and guilt around as if the war happened yesterday. Eleven, on the other hand, has learned to run from the pain and has distanced himself from it --- frankly, probably having learned from his experience as Ten that it was destroying him. It's so fascinating watching these three versions of the same person from different points in his life interacting. There's always been a tiny part of me that wished it could have been Eccleston in this episode, but John Hurt was pretty amazing nonetheless.

"400 hundred years in 4 seconds... we are incredibly clever!" **Clara opens unlocked door from the outside** okay, that got a chuckle out of me.

@WarGrowlmon18

6 ай бұрын

Me too!!!🤣🤣🤣

I love this scene , it brings out that under lair of the doctor you don’t see very often, in this scene 10 in the face of his future self he’s radiating, self loathing and disgust , where 11 , face with his past and riddled with guilt and self doubt, can’t even bring himself to hold an argument with 10. I fear if I face a younger me, it wouldn’t be so dissimilar.

@MLaak86

Жыл бұрын

It even seems to scare 10 when he realises how hurt over something 11 is that he's managed to let go of some of the fury 10 still feels about the Time War.

While I love Hurt as the war doctor, it was supposed to be 9 but Eccleston refused to come back. Keeping that in mind, 10 spent the least amount of time as the doctor, in the doctor's time line. Tennet was only the doctor for 3 years. So it was brilliant to bring him back yet again as 14. And it matches his grief at not wanting to go. I wish tennet would stick around longer, he was literally born to play the Doctor.

@narthted8200

Жыл бұрын

He was literally the son of a companion and a doctor.

@greggjennings8729

Жыл бұрын

@@narthted8200 no, but he is married to the daughter of Dr 5. who played tennet's companion as the doctor's daughter. How they met, on set.

@Rob-hb7wh

Жыл бұрын

Actually, I'd argue his children were born to play the doctor eventually. They're literally part of the doctor who dynasty

@demonking86420

Жыл бұрын

Six years

@greggjennings8729

Жыл бұрын

@@Rob-hb7wh his daughter could have been the 1st female dr and may yet be.

Man I wish the ninth was here too. It would've been fantastic. Edit: Just so some people know. "fantastic" is the Ninth's catchphrase

@mrbubbles6468

Жыл бұрын

The Ninth not being here is why we got the War Doctor in the first place

@yolo-sy6zl

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbubbles6468 not really. If they wanted to use an acc doctor they could have just used mcgann

@samsignorelli

Жыл бұрын

Eccleston being in the ep would've made it an entirely different story....and I'm not so sure it would've been superior to this one.

@lochness5524

Жыл бұрын

Eccleston isn’t a fan of crossovers, so he definitely wasn’t interested

@pozzyvibes6997

Жыл бұрын

@@yolo-sy6zl I mean the original idea WAS that the 9th doctor was gonna be in it. He was the war doctor. In the original canon he was regeneration that fought the time war, hence his darker more cynical nature. But since he didn't want to be in it they had to create the new separate John Hurt war doctor.

It's a wonderful moment of writing and acting when 10's rage breaks in the face of 11 refusing to tell him what's happening to 11 that he could have moved past the pain of the time war, Tennant even seems to have a moment of fear in the face of Smith's steely glare.

@ZETH_27

Жыл бұрын

Matt Smith really did the "Man behind a mask" so incredibly well. Everyone, even he himself is cought of guard when the otherwise childish and joking 11:th doctor breaks out his serious tone and expression.

@MLaak86

Жыл бұрын

@@ZETH_27 Indeed, not that others (Tennant himself being a prime example) haven't provided glimpses into who the Doctor really is beneath everything he's lived through but Smith somehow revealed it best imo when his youthful facade broke to reveal the hurt, almost broken, ancient entity beneath who is oh so close to simply giving up.

@Blazieth

Жыл бұрын

One of the few things that can truly give the Doctor pause... when his older self drops the mask and shows the rage, pain, and regret... and he realizes that, for all he's seen so far... he's still got a lot more to go before he becomes the man staring him down.

Ignoring the novelization, I like to think the look he gives and the way he phrases it "I have absolutely no idea" means he does know, if he stops to think about it, but he chooses not to. And is unhappy with someone bringing up the topic that he wants to forget about

Eleven should have spoken up after Ten said, "2.47 billion," and continued. "Two billion, four hundred seventy-one million, eight hundred sixty-three thousand, seven hundred twelve." It would have driven home that he knows _exactly bloody well_ how many, he just _tries_ to forget.

@gamingmaniactv5050

4 ай бұрын

If you notice, when the War Doctor asks the 11th if he ever counted how many children died when he destroyed Gallifrey, he stops and tries to stay composed as much as possible.

I think I would have preferred the implication that Eleven was lying about forgetting.

@DashingSteel

Жыл бұрын

Look at his face. Look into his eyes. He WAS lying.

@grumblingtag4061

Жыл бұрын

I always liked to think that it was a memory he lost during The Rings of Akhaten and he hadn't realized until that point The face he gives is one of dread as he truly can't answer himself, like he's trying to remember one of the most important details of his life and just can't

@vorpalweapon4814

Жыл бұрын

wouldnt that contradict him effectively deciding it was time to forgive himself for the sake of the future.

@EE-jp5ev

Жыл бұрын

Personally I saw a look of "My God...I HAVE forgotten" and a second of him realizing how fucking far gone he was to have actually let it slip his mind.

@MLaak86

Жыл бұрын

I feel like he was, he freezes the second he hears the question, takes a moment to compose himself and then says he doesn't know before effectively adding "why would I count? how could the number make what I did any better or worse?" after War probes further that.

The Doctor is his own worst enemy

My life changed the day I saw this in theaters. I just wish Nine was there - he would have knocked sense into all of them. Oh, Doctor. You brilliant man. And as much as I love Christopher and David, Matt Smith’s Doctor was mine. He was there when I needed him most - I hope and I pray that even with all his success he comes back and I can see my Doctor again. But I’m already drowning with joy with the return of David - he can always be relied on by the fans, because he knows how much the doctor means to the world

1:55 this short little tiff between David and Matt is just magnificent acting. And the way they look at each other after the line “No, You Really Wouldn’t” is just perfection.

Damn I love this show so much. The interactions between these three are so good.

no more beautiful sight than Clara bursting through the door to save the day

I like to think that the 11th Doctor chose to move past the war because of Mars, the guilt was pushing him too far, if he hung onto it, he'd become the Time Lord Victorious and no one would be able bring him back, forgetting and moving on was the only way to keep going and remain the Doctor

I would love to see a callback to this. Like 14 and his companion being trapped in London Tower in this cell, and him whipping out his screwdriver. The companion's confused because 'it doesn't do wood" and the doctor responds with "we have history" and the door just explodes. "Blimey, what did it do to deserve that?", "It wasn't locked back then. Come on." As they're running off screen, "Was it locked just now?" Doctor pops his head back to look at the doorknob sitting in the sawdust, "One of these days I'm really going to have to check to see."

@bandiceet

Жыл бұрын

To add to the scene, the Doctor reads what 11 was carving into the stone...

@Blazieth

Жыл бұрын

Okay, THAT would be funny. The doctor keeps that particular door's scan/calculations tucked away in his screwdriver, JUST IN CASE he ever ends up back there locked in the same cell at some point before that door rots off its hinges. Just so he can get a bit of petty revenge for making him look like a moron by not being locked.

"Ask them what you need to know" ... not want to know, need to know .... Not how many people, not how many gallifreyans ... how many children ... ...one has strived to forget over hundreds of years, and has convinced himself that he does not remember ... ...one cannot forget ...

Greatest Doctor V Doctor moment to ever exist....11 vs 10 justifying the end of the Time War memories

This scene (and whole episode honestly) makes me wish we had more scenes between 10 and Clara. 10 and Amy would've been great too, likewise 12 and Donna would probably be really funny. They really should do more Doctor/companion crossovers.

It sad to see how broken the 10th and 11th doctors are, especially Matt's doc.

Before we had the 3 spideys in one movie. WE HAD 3 DOCTORS IN 1 CELL

10's tie is covered in roses and 11's Albert Chain has a rose on it. They never forgot their Bad Wolf Girl.

Eleven: hhhhow did you do that? Clara: it wasn’t locked Eleven: right I love that bit 😂

Isn’t that just like doctor who, the doctor doing a sciency thing and the companion stumbling in with a simple solution

400 years calculating how to destroy an unlocked door. 🤣

"I have absolutely no idea how many" "I lost track of how old I am somewhere along the line" "I can't remember if I'm lying about my own age." Rule one, the Doctor lies. You can hear in his tone of voice and feel in that pause that he just knows too well. Every single digit of the number of children who died that day. Every number of his age down to the exact second. And above all, he knows very well that try as he might, not one second of his lives goes by since that very moment where he doesn't forget that dreadful number.

0:41 The day WE killed them all

@bemasaberwyn55

Жыл бұрын

Same thing

9 mourned so 10 could regret. 10 regretted to 11 could forget. 11 forgot so 12 could remember. 12 remembered so 13 could try. 13 tried so 14 could rehabilitate. not the time war, not the children. but what it meant to be The Doctor

I kind of appreciate the touch that 10 holds the sonic up to his ear rather than looking at some kind of display, thus emphasizing that it's a sound based device.

Personally I still would have disintegrated the door. For the lolz

@therealwilldalbey

Жыл бұрын

I'm in agreement.

@zyxluz4645

Жыл бұрын

Do it for the vine Yolo How do you do fellow kids?

The confused "should have been locked" from the War Doctor always kills me. 😂

If this wasn’t the best episode of the newWho, it’s is the top 5. Frankly, I’m surprised my TV doesn’t explode from sheer awesomeness every time these three Doctors are on at the same time.

Matt was always such a master at portraying 11's repressed anger and rage.

To be fair they are three times the same person, so it's not surprise that none of them checked if the door was opened.

What would make him forget the number of children, that would make him say "spoilers?"

@Cybermat47

3 жыл бұрын

His approaching death at Trenzalore, and the Question.

@crazyvillainfan4877

3 жыл бұрын

Trenzalore

@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849

3 жыл бұрын

Trenzalore wiped his memory? I haven't seen that episode in a while

@crazyvillainfan4877

3 жыл бұрын

@@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849 not literally wipe his memory. The events of Trenzalore were far more impactful to the Doctor than that of The Last Day. Keep in mind also, the Doctor and Clara just came back from Trenzalore and the Doctor's time stream, so this is fresh in their minds

@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849

3 жыл бұрын

@@crazyvillainfan4877 Ah ok, thank you

This is why they need a companion. To check if the door is unlocked.

Love how door was open because she's the real human queen not shape shifter! Never realised this befor!

Yeah, right..... 11 knew exactly how many there were. That's what that pause meant.

It’s almost 10 years old… oh god, time has really passed

11 knows how many and any true fan knows it, 11 also knows in his time that number means nothing. for him losing the timelords is accepted. A concept 10 couldn't accept

first and tenth confused on when clara met them while eleventh knows that she met them when they were in trenzalore and went into the doctor's time stream

Me and a very close friend always watched every new episode of Tennant's doctor, she passed away before the regeneration so I always go back and watch the older episodes and the new ones, I wish she'd gotten to see this arc, she would've loved it.

This scene is one of the singular reasons why I liked Matt Smiths iteration of the Doctor. He never had enough moments like this.

I watched this special when it came out. But rewatching this scene I appreciate it even more. Excellent writing.

I find it funny that for hundreds of year that screw driver was calculating how to disintegrate the door and even after Clara walks in they never thought to cancel the calculating.

@katherinegaymes

Жыл бұрын

except by that point, 10 and 11 have already confirmed they received the program, thus making it established events in the Doctor's life. It is a really bad idea to try and meddle with a time traveler's life/past.

i love scenes where the doctor talks to himself. theres not enough of them.

this special is one of my favorites - I wish we got more Doctor team-ups

I think this shows the growth. The Eleventh Doctor didn't "forget." He moved on. He has come to terms with it. He knew (at the time at least) that information wouldn't do any good so no use fixating on it. Why burden himself with that knowledge? Especially his war doctor self, the self he was so ashamed of that he buried the memory.

@EmptyMan000

8 ай бұрын

Honestly if you have to bury your memories of trauma, you haven't moved on. Not really. You've suppressed and ran away, you haven't grown. You chose to live in denial.

Funny how both of them forgot that the door was open........this moment was so embarrassing they choose to forgot it's existence the moment they exited

It just occurred to me that 11th and 10th locked eyes like they would their enemies. But due to the fact they match each others fire. It takes the war doctor to basically cancel them out.

2:25 Tennants eyes: i dont know who you are

Easily my favorite doctor who scene. Its just so brilliant, and each actor is completely believable as their incarnation of the doctor, despite the fact that the youngest actor is playing the oldest incarnation, and the oldest actor is playing the youngest.

Tennant's glare when Smith said what's the point gave me shivers

this scene has no right to have emotional moments and comedic timing this good

That final moment is probably the most D&D thing I have ever seen in a show in my life

I love John Hurt as Dr. Who

What if the reason 11 forgot is because 10 wants to protect his future from all that pain, so he never again becomes the Time Lord Victorious

This episode did a really good job at characterizing 10 and 11 with the regret & forget part, not only in this scene, but in the entire episode leading up to it. I believe that the Doctor's next regeneration is subconsciously decided in his last moments. At the end of his life, 10 was filled with so much regret, that he created 11 as more of a coping mechanism, born of the wish for a fresh start. After Day of the Doctor, 11 overcame his fear of "growing up" as the War Doctor so eloquently put it, which resulted in 12.

@DesignIncase

Жыл бұрын

It's possible but 12 directly noted that he's seen the face before. It was a message to himself to be kind. Remember to stop and help people. A far more forgiving regeneration.

@heymikey4025

Жыл бұрын

@@DesignIncase I actually would have thought that 12’s face was more about remembering how Donna told him “to just save someone”…which technically they all did in day of the Doctor… And there was definitely a remembrance of Donna helping bear the burden of Pompeii when 10 and 11 were going to activate the Moment with the War Doctor…

To be fair, 11 was pretty deeply scarred by the loss of Amy and Rory and he’d had to deal with the deaths of two versions of Clara (and he’d seen his tomb)

I love this seeing both of these doctors at such an angry point with each other

Ten bucks says that one day the doctor will end up back in that cell with other people, after a while the other people will lose hope of getting out, then the doctor will glance at the writing on the wall, look at the screwdriver, then look at the door, and smirk.

@jacobw.6744

Жыл бұрын

Damn, that would be perfect. I'd love to see that episode, were it ever to happen.

fun fact: if a character is meeting themselves in a situation like this, and they try to remember this situation, they won’t be able to remember until they get through the situation the final time. here’s the punch line: you know those people who livestream footage of themselves playing video games? it’s exactly like that. if they try to remember what happens, they’ll “remember” the present moment from the other perspective as it changes. isn’t that just the funniest thing?

Did the Moment know about Clara, after hinting to the Doctor how to escape? Maybe even one of Omega's self-aware temporal weapons of mass-destruction finds the Impossible Girl a bit much.

@sonicfan4511

Жыл бұрын

I think her overall point was the analogy of the Sonic Screwdrivers to the Doctors themselves. Hence her saying "same software, different face" the last time.

@heymikey4025

Жыл бұрын

@@sonicfan4511 plus it likely subconsciously reminds 11 about the subroutine that he’s been calculating via the TARDIS for a time lock since he was the first Doctor…

The moment . I LOVE HER!

Matt Smith deserves just as much praise as David Tennant and it’s so frustrating he’s so overshadowed

A very famous escape artist once made a bet he could escape the most secure prison with just his street clothes and so someone took him up on that bet. He took off his belt and used a tool built into it but couldnt get the lock to click and after I think a week he lost his mind and gave up. Once he gave up, the people came to let him out and simply pushed the door open. It was unlocked

The way 10 looks at 11 when 11 says he has no idea. The anger, the fury, and dissappointment. The time war is still rather fresh for 10, 9 didn't live long. It's all still there for 10.

If The 9th Doctor was there he would probably have said “THEY WHERE 2 BILLION CHILDREN!!!” fallowed by the 10th “2.7 BLILLION I HAD THE NEVER TO ROUND UP THE NUMBER EVENTUALLY…”

"I don't know who you are... either of you. I haven't the faintest Idea..." - because, 'War' Doctor, you don't live with the feeling that you obliterated your own species to the very last man, woman and child despite your desperate desire to end the incomprehensible slaughter of the war.

"It should have been locked..."

This was one of the best scenes hands down.