a lot of these people are major hypocrites. youre bullying a 16-year-old who got into a bullying scandal, like are you against bullying or not??

@xxsohalalmodexx

Жыл бұрын

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS K-pop stans preach the seriousness of bullying in South Korea, like yeah it is, and u aren't helping the case either, smh

@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062

Жыл бұрын

@@xxsohalalmodexx basically, it's the court law+Garam and Eunseo's business, not theirs, this is why I didn't speak much about Garam's situation, I don't spend time to hate on someone who never did anything bad to me 💀

@xxsohalalmodexx

Жыл бұрын

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 literally, like mind ur own business, u have a life to live, don't waste it on tearing down a minor

@killem0610

Жыл бұрын

The worst thing is that you have former bullied person who cyber bully her and felt that it was right because they are concern by this kind of issue.

@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan

Жыл бұрын

Exactly you can't fight hate by hate.. This will only make the world worse.. There's enough negativity in everyone's life we need to stop spreading more of that :(((

Worst part: she didn't even bully anyone. She defended a friend and now lost her career.

@breathiyn

Жыл бұрын

also, she literally got the level 5 punishment back in 2018 if she was already punished for her behavior i dont understand bringing it up when she debuts ? I feel sorry for garam i just hope her and the alleged “victim” are okay now

@RedFire789

Жыл бұрын

@@breathiyn yeah your right but the level 5 is nothing to worry about. Its just some "therapy" for kids to know what they did wrong

@youdonotknowwhoiamlol

Жыл бұрын

@@RedFire789 yeah exactly, and like cheryl mentioned in her "So about Kim Garam" video, that was the most given punishment at Garam's school (with the level 2 punishment if I remember correctly) and getting it doesn't even have ANYTHING to do with the severity of one's actions

@nameless9851

Жыл бұрын

how would you know that?

@aboubakar845

Жыл бұрын

Did she tell you that

Garam was protecting a friend from sexual harassment and somehow that ruined her life… let that sink in

@ifeadeniji5849

Жыл бұрын

We live in a society...

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

Also eunsoo's team didn't deny any of Garam's claim, so yes maybe the whole thing was just beef and not bullying.

@soumya5832

Жыл бұрын

But the result ...oof reality is brutal

@astaristare

Жыл бұрын

This is actually very sad cause now think about the amount of people that will think of this before helping anyone out like me as a thirteen year old will definitely think should I help this person out what if it affects my future

@doodleyeon

Жыл бұрын

@@mimid.227 Yeah. Now it’s revealed that Garam’s claims were true. The reason Yoo Eunseo and her lawfirm only posted a cropped version of the school violence committee’s report is that they wanted to manipulate the truth, they know that people will know Yoo Eunseo is the bad one if they released the full document. I’m glad Garam posted the full document now, but so many still doesn’t want to believe her. They believed the cropped document Eunseo posted, but not the full one. Kpop stans are really disgusting

Garam and her friends were being bullied. Then when Garam fought back against the bully, the bully accused Garam of bullying her. Retaliating against a bully is NOT bullying. The bully does not get to complain when someone fights back. Garam was NOT a bully.

@everglowup

Жыл бұрын

The fact that Eunseo is whining that the person she bullied defended herself is beyond baffling to me!

I’m getting Super tired of ADULTS thinking Their unresolved trauma over bullying means they can forget all morals and bully a 16 year old. I’m So Damn Tired.

@icantthinkofausername6902

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. People are truama dumping on Garam acting like she was the one who bullied them

@peachbooks3199

Жыл бұрын

ikr, instead of learning from their pain and "hey, maybe i shouldn't bully someone bcs i know how shitty it was" instead they dump it on a 16 year old, projecting their shit on to another person who didn't do shit (not to them, not to eunseo)

If Garam is in fact not a bully, then we should be ashamed of ourselves. If Garam IS a bully, then we should also be ashamed of ourselves. She's a minor for crying out loud, the internet literally destroyed her career, and we don't even know for sure if the allegations are true or not... I thought we would learn from past incidents such as what happened to Woojin, but I guess K-pop stans are so immature that we can't even wait until everything is confirmed. And even if she is confirmed a bully, we should be deeply ashamed that we started an online witch-hunt on a 16-year-old.

@Sadika101

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget about AOA Jimins situation. After it was found out that jimin was innocent, a handful of hypocritical bitches came crawling back to those videos about jimin and and gave a whole load of empty apologies on how they felt bad and guilty for believing mina and giving jimin hate blah blah blah 🙄🙄. And it's those same ignorant people I bet who are doing the same to Garam.

@bugilyy

Жыл бұрын

Not just her career but her life

@guinnmyahslaysstaymad

Жыл бұрын

She was never a bully nor confirmed to be one.It’s already debunked so the question shouldn’t even be asked anymore.I would definetly never stan lesserafim knowing that they have a fandom full of bullies who are comfortable bullying a 16 year old out of her career.It’s just a big redflag

@enha-gokiyo7902

Жыл бұрын

Yall should be not only be ashamed but deserve the same thing she went through

@speaknowstan.13

Жыл бұрын

stop dragging woojin into this ffs

What pisses me off the most is that people KNOW how the scandals of T-ara, AOA, April and Soojin started and ended, and yet for some reason they haven't learn from it? And then when Garam's scandal blew up they fucking did it AGAIN. I'm utterly speechless.

@Dearrickyy

Жыл бұрын

It’s because they are all children and became fans mostly after those scandals

@mani-ei5kq

Жыл бұрын

I actually came across two people who seemed very adamant that Garam was a bully. However, when I asked them for evidence that she was guilty, they both told me to look for it myself and to "stop being lazy". The hypocrisy of these people to act like they're smarter than people who defend Garam because they "don't have evidence" and never show any evidence themselves to prove their points is just ridiculous to me. Especially when you remember other k-pop scandals. You know who else said to look for evidence by ourselves when she was asked for it? Kwon Mina, who manipulated people and lied about practically everything in her public life. Not to mention, she always flip flopped between having no evidence and having mountains of evidence, yet she only gave us stories with no evidence. In other words, she started rumors. I find it amazing how every new scandal, the more k-pop stans start acting like Kwon Mina.

@shinobuily

Жыл бұрын

@@Dearrickyy I doubt it. Soojin scandal is recent af and the t-ara, aoa, april scandals are well known

@mochiyeosang1908

Жыл бұрын

Woojin too despite a difference in accusations.... the reactions of Kpop stans and end results were the same. And now there is evidence coming out that Kris Wu could be innocent? Kpop stans need to get their shit together.

@xiukai519

Жыл бұрын

mani EXACTLY it just seems so stupid, it became so obvious that they are those typical kpop fans who believes whatever fabricated lies running around in exchange for drama because their butt will itch if they don't insult at least one person, as long as they can have fun bullying ppl, they don't care sht abt logics and truth. Literally, their hero complexity is showing, I've said this before, kpop fans like them don't know what they're saying at all, they just like acting superior. They're hypocritical, I 100% bet if we were to ask them for evidences of Eunseo's statements, to elaborate the whole issue and the details, they won't be able to say shit. All I believe that they'd spit out of their mouth are just one of those ridiculous rumors spreading on the internet, ones that are baseless. They are living clowns, the solid definition of "source: just trust me bro" literally, that meme is made for them.

To people saying "Get over it", You do know that her actual name has been publicized all over Korea, on tv, newspapers, articles. It's easy to just say get over it, when it's not your life that's been affected. People were quick to bash her and accuse her, why is it now that evidence is coming out that they might be wrong that people that care about her situation should "get over it". Her mother said she is worried for her mental health. Being young doesn't mean trauma and stigma from a situation when you were young won't keep following you. Her life will be difficult now and people who feel bad for her are trying to shed more light on what happened, so that the perception of her will change and her life will be easier. But, all of this will be in vain if people don't reflect on themselves and realize how they contributed to this situation. Clearing her name will be in vain, if kpop stans will still do the exact same thing to the next idol that is randomly accused. People need to learn that accusations are just that, accusations. Not everything should be taken at face value, without clarity on situations. Human beings are capable of lying and altering the truth. Kpop fans do better!!!!!! A repost of my comment on another channel.

@iitsbbyu3427

Жыл бұрын

this is so true!! and the infamous "you knew her for 2 days" 😃 if my neighbor moved in my house and suddenly it catches on fire, I'm not going to ignore it because they just moved in! all human beings are born with feelings and empathy, but the moment we show them were just being dramatic and should "get over it". what happened to fighting for the greater good? ;[

@youdonotknowwhoiamlol

Жыл бұрын

well said

@zroskiee2741

Жыл бұрын

Yes! When this whole thing blew up, so many people just accusing her straight up without trying to even make an effort to see if the evidence is true. Now, as far as I know, I don’t think any of the “evidence” is solid. Thought I’ll still stay neutral.

@insomniatic991

Жыл бұрын

I think it says more about lack of empathy of the people involved. Like is it that unusual to care for the wellbeing of someone regardless of how long you knew them?

@tangerines5822

Жыл бұрын

@@zroskiee2741 I feel like everytime I ask somebody for proof that Garam is guilty, it's very lackluster and half-assed evidences.

I’m at work but I already know this is going to be a good video. The fact that people were celebrating the public humiliation of a 16 year old is disgusting. They just ran with this false narrative about Garam & ignored all the misinformation that was debunked.

@MODNAR67

Жыл бұрын

Fr, I was scrolling through TikTok and ever video was literally celebrating that Garam was leaving and even joking that her members prob packed her bags and kicked her out of the dorm. The fact that ppl are so comfortable bullying a child is ridiculous and disgusting.

@mariunfabregas7533

Жыл бұрын

Fr like WHY are you celebrating the downfall a 16 year old girl that hasn't even been convicted yet? There's so many holes to the victims' side of the story and so many evidences that points to Garam's innocence but most stans don't give a damn about that. It really opened my eyes and made me realize that most K-pop stans just see idols as characters that they can deem as "good" or "bad" depending on what the narrative is. They really don't see her as a person, just a character that has been proven to be "bad" because that's what social media has deemed her to be

@Luna-rl5wu

Жыл бұрын

@@mariunfabregas7533 Oh my Goddesses, this. You're absolutely right. Stans think this is a narrative and the characters must do whatever they want, and if they (allegedly) don't, they need to be put out of the picture. This is so scary and terrifying, I literally cannot believe this KEEPS happening.

@jessicajessica4392

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, I don't think all accusations were debunked, but she definitely suffered from HYPE mismanagement. They kind of used the scandal to make the group known, and then kicked her out when it was convenient for them. Now, the group is well known, and they have a devoted fan base that is going to protect the remaining members until death because they suffered from the scandal. It is a win for Source Music and HYBE, they managed the scandal really badly and profited off it. Whether she is guilty or not, nobody should be happy that a 16-year-old was bashed, insulted, mocked and bullied online, and eventually got kicked out and lost her career prospect in 2 months. Hopefully she is okay and not suffering too badly mentally. Moral of the story: At the end of the day, company don't care about you, and will dismiss you if you are no longer convenient.

@swirlybun9616

Жыл бұрын

I remember this joke video, I stupidly feel for, where they were joking about her having a solo. I’m like- do you not want her to grow from this like at all?

So weird how they keep saying “You barely know her, why do you defend her” but they also BARELY KNOW HER and keep attacking her. Why does attacking someone make more sense and is more welcomed than defending someone you barely know?

soyeon says "red 5 diamonds" and everyone's happy saying its representing soojin too. sakura literally says FIVE LITTLE SISTERS and people are like "so what? stop being delusional"

@mamadouniang8208

Жыл бұрын

when sakura says that ?

@daileeedunno

Жыл бұрын

@@mamadouniang8208 in a japanese interview

@daileeedunno

Жыл бұрын

@Kyra Nimbalkar it gets caught in the spam filter, but look up "【LE SSERAFIM】SAKURAさんにインタビュー！ 今ハマっているものは？"

@adeenahhashmi8653

6 ай бұрын

did sakura say that after garam left?

@daileeedunno

6 ай бұрын

@@adeenahhashmi8653 she said it 3 days before garam left, but this comment was talking about how the accusations that garam was bullying sakura were false.

I never took a side with Garam. Mostly because with prior false accusations. It always best to wait. And unfortunately social media has proven to be the biggest monster out of all of this. A high school student, a child has been attacked so viciously. Even if she did do bad things, it doesn't mean people have the right to bully either. It's unfortunate.

@BReaction1

Жыл бұрын

Omg same I just sat back and let things play out I didn’t want to get involved

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

And the sad things is that is not just about her career.

@makeupchick9544

Жыл бұрын

So, saying someone is a bully, is bullying?

@lovesserafim9227

Жыл бұрын

@@makeupchick9544 did anyone say that? That’s not even what anyone is talking about , people going under pictures of garam and shìt talking her is CYBER BULLYING WHICH there on her ass about like people need to make the hypocrisy make sense

@makeupchick9544

Жыл бұрын

@@lovesserafim9227 Yes, you psychos are SAYING THAT and literally CYBER BULLYING AND SENDING DEATH THREATS TO THE ACTUAL VICTIM. Who, big shock - just wanted an apology. Instead, was threatened by a billion dollar company, harassed by trolls and her life is literally hell. You people make me ill. And your karma will come. Buckle up.

People have actually tried to justify their online bullying of Garam by saying “it’s her karma”… If you think cyber bullying is karma for your target, congratulations! You’ve now created negative karma for yourself. Wake up and DO BETTER. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your words and actions.

@WooTwiceTeez

Жыл бұрын

The word 'karma' itself has been overused and sometimes for the wrong reasons 🤦🏻‍♂️

@BeIIaLuna

Жыл бұрын

@@WooTwiceTeez I completely agree.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

It is karma, I hope she’s crying. 😂

@BeIIaLuna

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 I hope you get well soon

@aristocraft2000

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 I hope you can get some therapy because your mental darkness is judging your ability to think like a functioning human being.

Another thing that truly scares me is what this scandal indirectly told us and every student out there. If you are a victim of bullying or somebody you know is harassed you are not allowed to react because you risk being framed the bully. That is all she did, react to something that somebody else did ( in an immature way, as you do, at 12 for god’s sake, by having a few choice words, incomparable to what the other person did ) and she ended up taking the biggest blow. It tells us that as a victim you should shut up and take it and have the perspective ( as a freaking minor, have perspective... ) that in 5 or 6 or 10 years, whatever you do, even the littlest of things can be twisted to paint YOU as the bad guy. This message is truly horrible.

@ELmayberry

Жыл бұрын

🥺🥺

@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian

Жыл бұрын

The message is terrible but unfortunately it’s true. I’ve experienced the same thing and know people that have. I wish I could say something uplifting, but I’m at a lost for that. I think hate mobs just have to end, just because it isn’t the Middle Ages doesn’t mean we don’t still light torches and go after people. It just means we can do it on a global scale with the internet.

@2FullMoons

Жыл бұрын

@annayu i wasn’t talking about the so called ‘victim’ being immature, I was talking about the way Garam reacted by calling her names which is how a child ( which Garam was at the time and still is ) would normally react.

@2FullMoons

Жыл бұрын

@annayu yes it is horrible and it’s just as horrible indeed that people choose to not see what that girl did yet pick on Garam for a few bad words. I just hope Garam is doing well.

Her career is over, even non kpop related jobs atp. Her name is so publicized that there's a high chance of her being ostracized in college and any alternative career path she chooses. That's someone's livelihood, someone's mental health in danger. That's what these hateful people did to her And the worst part? If she took her life, people would either rejoice, or be the same ones to say she didn't deserve it and preach about mental health in the kpop industry. Hypocritical. I'm a casual kpop listener. I don't Stan anyone or care deeply for Garam, but as an outsider, this 16 year old has a life of hell ahead of her. I wish her the best of luck.

@loleveryday9476

Жыл бұрын

I actualky hope she has the chance to go abroad instead of staying SK at this point tbh.

There’s a certain K-tuber who made a video about a certain new group that just debuted with many minors & they were talking about how “the industry shouldn’t debut minors cause it’s dangerous for them, they can get attacked/cyber bullied on the internet” so on and so forth. Then I scroll to check out more of their videos and see a video of them & their subscribers literally having a party at how Garam got kicked out, making jokes about how the other members must be happy and must have been secretly. laughing at her on her way out. This is why I don’t listen to anything KPOP stans say. They play one tune today, & another tomorrow smh 🤦🏾‍♀️

@pinklemonade1115

Жыл бұрын

Def know you’re talking about, that persons a major hypocrite 😒

@skylerwhiteyo9191

Жыл бұрын

@@pinklemonade1115 which ktuber?

@Sheepy16able

Жыл бұрын

@@pinklemonade1115 are we talking about mrrr kpop or someone else?

@pinklemonade1115

Жыл бұрын

@@skylerwhiteyo9191 it’s “ajanaevis”

@benjib0yyy

Жыл бұрын

This KZreadr you’re talking about is becoming an actual problem and they don’t realize it. It’s really sad because they actually are talented and have decent opinions on other topics but this person is also a walking hypocrite

That is why I will be forever be grateful with the fact that when Fatou got dragged into a bullying scandal she immediately spoke out on her own before the company could water it down

@nyla_shu

Жыл бұрын

I admire Fatou for acting fast or else things would've been worse if the company interrupted it and dragged it on for a week before we can get the truth.

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

Her company literally had one job, the fact that the scandal could ruin the whole group's reputation and yet they just sit back and watched is just .... no words .

@soumya5832

Жыл бұрын

@@alexa6938 hybe/source literally is the one who is at fault here first they didn't do a background check on her ...second they should have just agreed she did bully and let her apologize then if people are not convinced abt her then they should have revealed the whole taking picture accident and how she was also bullied ..they literally denied it so strongly that when that level5 punishment statement came everyone thought they are protecting a bully ...they really need to improve their PR

@guinnmyahslaysstaymad

Жыл бұрын

@@soumya5832 a company as big as hybe will always do a background check.They probably used her for publicity

@kpoplistener1111

Жыл бұрын

@@soumya5832 She didn't bully anyone

the sick part of all this is that nobody denied that eunseo took and posted nude pictures of garam's friend online, and yet they defended her and treated garam like a monster for defending her friend, as far as we know all garam did was cuss eunseo out, which is what A LOT of people would do in that situation regardless of age, but apparently that's unjustified and bullying while all the randos of the internet dogpiling on her and even violating her over a situation that happened when she was 11 or 12 that they likely didn't know half the context of were somehow justified and righteous, if garam is in the wrong for bullying a bully, then how does it make sense for netizens to bully the bully's bully themselves? the hypocrisy is flat out absurd, all of those people crushed the dreams of a 16-year-old kid while defending someone who, to our knowledge, violated a classmate and fled to another school before she could actually face any consequences, and the person who defended the girl in the pictures now has to live with the trauma of losing a promising career and having her name dragged through the mud on a GLOBAL scale, its beyond shameful, its flat out repulsive and infuriating

can’t help but think there’s a major double standard, male idols accused of bullying somehow are supported by fans and end up staying in their groups after a hiatus “reflecting” meanwhile female idols like soojin and garam get kicked out

@supermouse73

Жыл бұрын

it’s misogyny

@jang2386

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that. Its so unfortunate, whats even worse most of them are women themselves that attack eachother

@fayyomie6873

Жыл бұрын

Justice for Soojin and Garam!

these people should all be ashamed for mass harassing and dogpiling a literal 16 year old, what’s also very sad is i’ve seen grown adults jump on the hate train, when in reality you all have contributed to potentially ruining this girl’s future career and life. y’all should be very ashamed.

@redamaryllisflower3898

Жыл бұрын

ALSO may i add the lack of accountability from these online harassers that now new evidences have resurfaced that garam was bullied in middle school which was also clearly stated in hybe’s statement that everyone just magically chose to ignore, i will not forget the amount of hate garam has had to face from y’all.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

She deserves it. I hope she’s depressed. 😂

It disgusts me, reading all these comments talking about "she's finally gone yay!" and those comments on tik tok when someone posts abaout it. I saw people saying "yay" and "yess!!" and "thank god :DDDD". What? Are you demented? How can you find joy after cyberbullying a minor and ruining her career. First, you find and make false info, then you run with it and explode the situation more that it should've been, then once you've basically ended her future, you decide that yes we're going to celebrate the fact that we ruined another idol's career because we are the fans and we have all the power in this industry and who's going blame us? no one! Disgusting. Absolutely revolting. And don't get me started on those tweets: "I know that Everglow up bitch is punching the air rn haha" really? It annoys me that Kpop fans complain that no-one actually looks for real information then attack the people who do. I don't know if we're lazy, stupid or we just love problems but i hope Garam can live quietly becuase everyone has seen her face and god forbid she opens a social media account (she better not show her face) she will not she the light of day. And i'm proud of you Cheryll for going on strong even with these damn hate comments, You're a strong woman and i'll continue to pray for you

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

I remember when I read the news that Garam left the group on soompi and alot of the comments were like " I'm so happy she left , cuz the formation is better now " . Why are these ppl acting like Garam was a shadow of darkness to the group when they were only 2 weeks into their career.

@filipaxstar

Жыл бұрын

@@mimid.227 but when soojin left, nobody said that about the formation, ironic lol

@tigroza

Жыл бұрын

Best comment on KZread I have seen about this

@xiukai519

Жыл бұрын

PLS those ppl who says "LMAO HER STANS MUST BE PUNCHING THE AIR RN" are so f ing annoying, like what-? You're so sure that's she's guilty? Why? Because of those so called "evidence" that even the minister confirmed? There r so mny plot holes in Eunseo's statements but ppl were just nvr cared enough to do more thorough research in the case. I bet if we were to ask them to elaborate EVERYTHING regarding the case, including the details, exact time and cause of the occurrence, they won't be able to answer sht. They cn only answer with baseless lies from rumors that's running around the town and just went with it. They are 100% the solid definition of "source: just trust me bro" lmao

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

@@xiukai519 they read the word "bully" and ran with it .

The worst part is that all Garam was doing was defend and protect her friend from being humiliated and sexually harassed, but ppl decide to ignore that for some reason

@scoobyscubers8519

Жыл бұрын

@KPOP goes METAL the law firm of Eunseo also confirmed that Eunsoo took a photo of her classmate in their underwear and posted it online without consent.

@Umbraed

Жыл бұрын

They fr think that some curses are more important than literal CP 👎

I feel so bad for this girl. She just defended her friend from a bully and now her carrier, her reputation, and her life is ruined. People who say that we should get over the scandal because she is not in the group make me so mad because I will never forget what they did, said, and how they made videos about Woojin and Jimin. Because if I move on it invalidates their struggle and how they overcame it. Whether she is guilty or not (we still don't know) that doesn't give anyone the right to bully her for a victim you don't even know either. Y'all were putting down a child because you think it's "karam for what she did". Then you need to get off the internet and go touch some grass.

@insomniatic991

Жыл бұрын

If anything happens to Garam, I don't even care they're the reason why and nothing they do will ever make up for it.

@tangerines5822

Жыл бұрын

@@insomniatic991 And guess what, if something were to happen to Garam, these people will switch up like a light.

@amielardiente2639

Жыл бұрын

@@tangerines5822 yeah don't be shocked.

@insomniatic991

Жыл бұрын

@@tangerines5822 literally, it always happens. no one cares until it's too late.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

I don’t feel sorry. 🤣

The reason kpop stans are now downplaying the actions of Eunseo and their own actions with “move on” “give it up” is because they can’t face the fact that they imparted injustice and enbled s3xual harassment against a minor . They can’t undo the things they said, they’re gonna ignore or manipulate anything that points to her innocence bec they don’t want to acknowledge they enabled the real bully and punished an actual victim .

@dotcom3015

Жыл бұрын

Eunseo is also a minor? The sexual harassment accusation wasn’t proven either. Eunseo wasn’t even the first one to accuse garam. So maybe villainizing the other minor is just as problematic?

@SkyMika.

Жыл бұрын

@@dotcom3015 Didnt she herself says she took pictures of the girl

@chyne7065

Жыл бұрын

@@dotcom3015 the sexual harrassment one is actually confirmed by the law firm backing her

@dotcom3015

Жыл бұрын

@@chyne7065 I literally can’t find that anywhere except hybes statement. Idk maybe I can do more research later but I’m not gonna just take your word for it

@ashrise

Жыл бұрын

@@dotcom3015 HYBE said there is the pic of the molka in the SVC document. Eunseo published the molka online on the account of her friend.

People don’t care about the “victim” like they claim they do they just had fun getting someone kicked out of a kpop group. They like knowing that together they had that much power. And I agree with the point of how are you going to bully someone for being a bully? It doesn’t make you any better, but they think it does because it’s “justifiable” since garam is an alleged “bad person” but they didn’t harass garam on the “victim’s” behalf, they just wanted to join in on the rumors and mobs that were hating on her and that’s messed up because she’s a CHILD imagine the impact of being globally hated has on your still developing brain. I really hope she can get better and I hope things turn out good for her in the end. When will this stop?? People need to stop jumping on a bandwagon and attacking people based off a rumor/ scandal. How many people’s careers, lives, and mental health have been ruined due to things like these, later to be proven false; soojin, woojin skz, Kim Seon-ho (actor). It’s so messed up, if you’re reading this and have watched this whole garam thing go down please take this as a learning lesson to not use your accounts to harm others, or at least not believe rumors until everything fully sorted out so the wrong person doesn’t get attacked.

@sur_un_nuage

Жыл бұрын

exactly like i saw in another video discussing the garam case that if someone put a stop to a bully to stand up for the victim then they’re the hero but no one was actually standing up for the victim because it’s someone you don’t know and you weren’t actively protecting them they were being a bully just for the sake of being a bully

@myrahahufjoujdfhk785

Жыл бұрын

FR THO and these toxic unrealistic people blame it on her 'beauty' I found this whole thing ridiculous from the start when I didn't even know what she looked like so r yall just admitting how ppl can also hate someone bc of their beauty??

@user-ib1is7ny7r

Жыл бұрын

right these people are bullies themselves but think they’re on the moral high ground

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

She’ll never get into music again. She might as well become a adult film actress like honey popcorn when she turns 18.

@aristocraft2000

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 you really need to get a life. This is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself

One thing I notice about these horrible internet warriors is that they pretend to be “superior fans” with their noses up in the sky, berating people on the other side as “crazy, naive, delusional Kpop fans” who are being manipulated and fooled by idols and agencies. I won’t deny there are people who jump to idols’ defense too quickly, thinking they know the idols like they are their families or best friends. These kind of fans do need reality checks. HOWEVER, NOT ALL PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THE SITUATION TO EVALUATE RUMORS’ VALIDITY ARE CRAZY FANS!! THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN IDOLS BEING WRONGED AND RUINED FROM FALSE RUMORS MULTIPLE TIMES, ACTUALLY LEARNED FROM IT AND TRY TO BE CAREFUL WITH MISINFORMATION ON THE INTERNET! You make fun of crazy fans of kpop who senselessly defense and support idols, but you are actually THE WORSE PART OF KPOP FANDOM, MAYBE EVEN THE WORST, compared to them. People like you ruin idols’ lives and turn serious situation into fucking gossips, and then in the next comment, saying you wish idols are treated like humans!? Srr for the language, but F*** OFF! Get off your high horse and contemplate your own pathetic life is the better way to spend time for people like you🙃

@Simba.26

Жыл бұрын

They ONLY want their favorite idols to be treated like humans but they don't give a fu*k abt the other idols. 😑😒

I feel so bad for this girl honestly. Even though she already left or atleast Hybe made her leave idk, she still gets so much hate and the fact that people are celebrating it is just :// and yeah honestly people already believe a rumor when they one don't even take a deep dive into the so called evidence and analyze it and two a lot of these people are one sided. I swear Kpop fans need to learn how to stay neutral like haven't you learned from past bullying scandals like Soojin's or AOA's? Gosh

@youdonotknowwhoiamlol

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Especially when the truth came out about Mina, everyone was like "Poor Jimin, I was so rude to her, next time when something like this happens, I going to stay neutral" and a few months later...the exact same situation over and over again. I honestly thing some people in K-Pop will never learn.

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

At this point, these ppl just don't want to learn and do better next time .

@baby.blue_b

Жыл бұрын

@@youdonotknowwhoiamlol Right oh my god😭

@baby.blue_b

Жыл бұрын

@@mimid.227 Yeah unfortunately

@nyla_shu

Жыл бұрын

Don't expect them to stay neutral in any situations. They are brainless and can't be helped anymore. What do you expect from a hoard of zombies who enjoys the humiliation of a person?

Here's my own little thing I like to say It's easy to hit send on whatever stupid joke you wanna make online, but it's hard to really re-evaluate if what you are exhibiting toxic behavior and understand that YOU are the problem

@iexist8099

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Anonymity makes people forget how vile they are being on the internet sometimes. Some of their behaviours are so cruel and they are yet to acknowledge it.

@hyunjins576

Жыл бұрын

@@iexist8099 it’s not our fault 😭

@yd3216

Жыл бұрын

@@hyunjins576 It is your fault... This is part of the problem, TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY!!!

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

Honestly they all need therapy

@everglowup

Жыл бұрын

Literally this!

I am so so upset. The girl lost her dream, reputation and everything. I made TikTok’s to tell people not to bully, I try to educate TikTok fans some listen and some don’t. This industry is scary. “ hate will paralyze your mind, gotta see the other side, costs you nothing to be kind” -Jhope

I think Source Music/HYBE really wanted to debut Garam because of the six-member concept that lesserafim has with the “six wings of the seraphim angel” thing. They needed six girls. Garam is incredibly talented, beautiful, and has a good recognizable voice, so she was perfect for the group. But they probably should have cleared up her scandal before they debuted her.

@fayyomie6873

Жыл бұрын

Source Music & Hybe should take a lesson from Woollim in handling scandals, I just love how they handled Seo Jisoo's scandal and cleared out her name after it.

@peachbooks3199

Жыл бұрын

i can't believe even fnc handled AOA's scandal better

I really hope she comes back stronger, doesn't have to be as an artist or anyone popular, but as a human. If she comes out of it, nothing can stop her. I really believe she'll reach unbelievable heights and if you see, all the people who are in top now have gone through a lot of hate, hopefully she'll reach the top too.

@pluto3603

Жыл бұрын

me too i miss her so much..

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

She’ll come back stronger working a regular job. 😂

@astaristare

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 there’s nothing wrong in working a regular job she has every right to do whatever she wants with her life

@mammoth1627

Жыл бұрын

She's apparently an A+ student, so hopefully she'd get to do whatever makes her happy.

@icantthinkofausername6902

Жыл бұрын

Me too . I really hope her parents take her out of Korea and move her to another country for schooling because at this rate if Garam continues to go to school in Korea people might actually end up harming her badly

I feel like a big reason why a lot of people chose to believe the rumor was the idea of the “hybe gg curse.” People assumed something would happen to le sserafim and they saw the rumors and ran with it

@curiousmoon5506

Жыл бұрын

Yup. That's because generally many enjoy a false sensational narrative, rather than the truth.

as a soojin ult when i first heard about this scandal i was scared. scared because if garam truly was innocent i knew it wouldn’t matter, so many kpop stans spread misinformation especially on twitter which is already a breeding ground for hate and verbal abuse. i ignored the situation and just focused on the groups i stanned like i always do. but after seeing so many disgusting comments about garam and the situation, i needed to actually research this without getting clouded by kpop stans spreading bs. your channel instantly came to mind, while i don’t watch a lot of your vids i have seen your past vids on other scandals (jimin/woojin) and so i knew you would actually be able to do some critical thinking and sort this out. these accusations were insane, so much misinformation and rumours were spread and it’s honestly heartbreaking to think about. you’re right, we don’t know garam. i don’t know her, yet i could honestly cry thinking about this. to think that this CHILD has had not only her career ruined, but been sexually harassed and attacked for literally defending a friend ? i don’t think i am mentally strong enough to handle any of that and i’m barely older than her not long turning 18. this is a teenager, who’s still growing up into the person she will become. i can’t imagine how this will effect her. regardless innocent or guilty she does not deserve this level of vitriol and i pray she has a good support system. kpop stans, do better. i know you won’t but at least have the decency to admit your shame.

Why do people even send hate. If she really bullied eun seo or whoever, eun seo already has a law firm or something on her side. Let them do their job. Why in the world are random people sending death threats and hate to a 16 year old. twitter people act like Regina George is a queen, praise actual villains and stuff and then throw an actual person into literal hell on earth even though the whole bully statement has more holes than their brain.

@guinnmyahslaysstaymad

Жыл бұрын

Just to inform you eunseo was lying all the time and garam was never an actual bully like eunseo described her to be.If you watch everglow ups other video about garam you would see how she debunked all of the false informations with a actual proofs.Garam was a victim of school bullying btw which makes this situation even more frustrating 😓

@theresadavis2004

Жыл бұрын

@@guinnmyahslaysstaymad wtf? That eun seo should go to hell. She just arbitrarily ruined a teenagers life.

@Aprincessnamedhyejin

Жыл бұрын

The fact that these are grown adults sending hate & making memes is just baffling to me

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

That’s what happens when u bully ppl.

@xiukai519

Жыл бұрын

^ speaks for yourself, Dria

and the worst thing is that now everyone are making garam edits like supporting her when almost 90% of the people were "ot5 until everything it's clear" or saying that garam should leave 🤡

@obvv7714

Жыл бұрын

Ok now that it’s too late, I can’t wait for everyone to pretend they were on the right side from the beginning

What’s even crazier is that with Hybe canceling her contract her friend “Yudimi,” is going rapid fire with a whole artillery of shocking evidences. It’s killing me that there’s still people that see evidence of her innocence and literally go “well if that’s true…” like BITCH ITS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE FOR YOUR EYES. Her old middle school desk was revealed with all the swearings on it and a photo of her sitting there, text messages of her telling people to stop spreading fake information about her smoking. Like what are you not seeing???

@gyal7892

Жыл бұрын

they believe the “restraining order” faster lol.

Thanks for this! I am a mother. I can't imagine my 16 year old on the verge of having her dreams come true then having it all ripped out from under her. And in such a cruel way. I hope she can see that not everyone is against her. I hope she has a strong support system. She's going to need it. All the kpop bullies who have harassed her should be ashamed. I'm so angry!

@nwachukwumunachi3983

Жыл бұрын

Wow🥺🥺 This made me feel so freaking sad now 🥺🥺 I hope her innocence will be proven once and for all😭

@debbienotdeborah

Жыл бұрын

@@nwachukwumunachi3983 even if she's not innocent this treatment has been appalling. Sorry to make you sad but glad you have a heart.

@gabrielamoraes7864

Жыл бұрын

and she was THIRTEEN when everything supposedly happened… how many stupid things we do when we are 13 years old?? it’s so unfair, i feel bad for her

@debbienotdeborah

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielamoraes7864 true! I'd be canceled for sure! LOL!

welp its confirmed she wasnt a bully after the school officially declared it. Congrats kpop fans u not only ruined a innocent girls career but u mentally traumatized a teenager. I wonder which victim is next, we had soojin and garam already. And if garam was guilty why cant people learn to unstan and ignore them instead of bullying them. Kpo fans always complain that the industry is problematic but how about yall look at yourselves first.

The worst thing about this situation for me was probably the amount of memes that came out on tiktok. That was actually INSANE how all of this is a LMAO situation for them regardless, like I've seen GROWN ASS STANS actually making videos about garams contract termination, like it's a celebration, where the line between "yay they got in the jail molestor" and "yay they kicked garam out" is equal.... wtf was that, crazy stans, honestly, yall are sick for this one fr... I know damn well they did this just to continue listening their debut song without feeling guilty. And their response for any argument is that "well, hybe obviously found something that proves her guilt duh..." I'm so angry about this it's awful, poor Garam, she didn't deserve this at all

I'm glad to see more people standing up for Garam, but what makes me sad is that the damage is done. Garam's contract is terminated.

people refuse to see garam as a victim, because they'd have to admit they helped to victimize her

I am at a point where my mom watches your videos with me because she loves how articulate and well spoken you are and the way you expose things. To quote her you are « a very smart girl who should be the standard of common sense »

@everglowup

Жыл бұрын

oh my goodness. tell your mom I said thank you!!! 💝💙

2 problems with kpop stans - constantly wanting "tea" scandals is just entertainment now they just constantly looking for something to hate on idol like they breathe and it's already to much but it's fun to watch. Like do you like idos or not ?! - secondly they bullied her for being ACCUSED (which means not proven yet) of bullying so are you really against the issue or is it just releaving to hate at someone because your life is so empty ? That's a question I can't answer really. Like kpop stans are not professionnal judges they did not do the ling studies to be able to give an objective opinion so shut up like kpop stans know the power they have over companies so they don't shut up but my message to them is seriously to shut their mouth

I am speechless, i have nothing to say i am truly disgusted that is all what i have to say. This 16 year old girl have literally done nothing to you but you ruined her life, this girl has trauma for the rest of her life because of you. Are you happy now?

@KoOkiE-un5pr

Жыл бұрын

exactly what did she ever do to the people cyberbullying her....... NOTHING LITTERLY NOTHING she dosent even know them disgusting people doing that

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

Yes, i’m happy she got what she deserves. That’s what happens when u bully ppl. She ruined her own career!

@KoOkiE-un5pr

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 bruh people like you are the disgusting people saying "oh she deserves it" but how about the "victim" you gonna go and support her? Meaning you supporting someone who took pictures of a MINOR in her underwear and now she trying to ruin careers like it's completely fine when really it's disgusting

@xiu4298

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 it's not proven if she was 100% guilty be ashamed of yourself for bullying a literal 16 year old

@yooniverse7313

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 Hypocrite

"Freedom of speech does not come with freedom of consquence." Well said.

people celebrated too hard, they have a lot of fun when someone’s kicked out … it’s extremely sinister how they rejoice over things like this

@melekbasri1575

Жыл бұрын

that only shows how psychotic society is...

@melekbasri1575

Жыл бұрын

@asdadaadad who is victim?

@pab10

Жыл бұрын

@asdadaadad why are you celebetating if the victim was kicked out?

@eboni2218

Жыл бұрын

@asdadaadad you’re not serving justice for victim. the alleged victim already had her justice years ago, when garam received her lvl 5 punishment. also, you don’t know garam or eunseo personally so you don’t know how severe the situation was. WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE SOMEBODY ON THEIR PAST ACTIONS?? everybody has done something wrong in their life, whether big or small, but either way they deserve a second chance. if we’re condemning this girl for actions she made when she was 12, then we should hold you to that standard too, right?

@curiousmoon5506

Жыл бұрын

@@melekbasri1575 Highly sadistic society.

There were so many things that pissed me off with this whole case. First of all was people having a problem with HYBE defending Garam. Like, what the absolute fuck. I’m a Neverland and I am still horrified to this day how Cube did nothing, NOTHING, to protect Soojin and just let her go without trying to keep her. Everyone was crying about that, but suddenly HYBE protecting Garam and trying to prove her innocence is a problem? Which goes to my second issue: “there is enough evidence against her”. The ONLY REAL piece of evidence we had was that disciplinary action document, and even that wasn’t enough to confirm she bullied someone. Everything else was rumors that I have heard countless of times with previous scandals. Another issue for me was that Kpop stans on social media acted like they know the Korean school system. The likelihood that those people have no goddamn idea how the school violence committee in Korea works is terribly high. Fourth is really the lack of research that all those baseless TikTok videos that went viral spread and only made Garam look worse. The fact people used TIKTOK, literally the most unreliable app when it comes to actual facts, as their evidence and information source says a lot about those Kpop stans. Fifth was the fact people were acting like Garam was going to permanently damage Le Sserafim’s reputation and that she could have been their downfall. I’m snorting just writing this. Honey, SAKURA and CHAEWON, who were part of IZ*ONE, aka, previously one of the BIGGEST and MOST BELOVED 4th gen girl groups, are in Le Sserafim. Their existence in that group was enough for the girls to not flop. Before anyone knew of Garam, everyone was waiting for them (especially Sakura) to debut again. So don’t tell me that you only heard of Le Sserafim because there was a potential bully there (emphasis on the only). Sixth was the fact people were saying Le Sserafim looks happier without Garam and that a five-member group looks better. Nah y’all, that’s just you being a Garam hater. Am I the only one who noticed the girls looked hella exhausted when they had to cover her parts, not to mention, a member who had a lot of lines? If anything, it looked so empty without her and I noticed her absence right away. I still can’t believe Garam has left Le Sserafim now, but I am not blaming HYBE or SouMu here, and this is not because I am a HYBE stan. They were willing to protect her, otherwise they wouldn’t have come out with their side of the story or let her debut. But they’re not stupid enough to see what the public thinks of them and that fans don’t believe them at all. I firmly believe that the only reason they let Garam go was because of a, the pressure from the media and everyone throwing hands at them, and b, they knew that even if they proved Garam innocent, people will still continue to molest her with their hate comments and no one will be satisfied unless she’s out of the group. If you’re planning to reply to me and call me hateful words, save it. Don’t waste your time

@maitreyikulkarni6045

Жыл бұрын

god i want to frame your comment

@xiukai519

Жыл бұрын

I am right now feeling exactly like what the person above me says. You took the words right out of my mouth, everything that I've been wanting to say but I cldnt due to my lacking of skills in speech, you said it all. Thank you.

@hyyharmy7

Жыл бұрын

The only thing I disagree with is that hybe should have cleared her name before announcing her departure…them doing this just made it seem like they actually agree she’s a bully now

The thing is... 1. Garam cussed Eunseo out 2. She had faced the consequence in 2018 3. Should've stopped there but it didn't I still find it ridiculous

@fayyomie6873

Жыл бұрын

Jealousy jealousy...

@Jnkisfine

Жыл бұрын

The think victim 1. The victim should have got level 8 for her actions of harassing garam and her friends. 2. Garam should have got level 3 as yoo eunsoo mother paid the school to get level 5 for garam 3. Again the victim was going to get level 5 for bullying garam.

What I want to say to the ppl that say oh she got kicked out, get over it. This behavior should not be normalized in the kpop community. Idols shouldn't be kick out their groups over scandals and then it turns out that the idol was innocent. Kpop stans making #(idol name)_out is so mf annoying these are people's lives yall are playing with. The way people treated this girl was so fu*king messed up. I watched grown @ss adults make hate, joke and etc tweets abt her. 😒 I mostly expected the childish behavior from the younger kpop stans. But even the minors are so toxic on Twitter. People really act so bold on online.

@loryjo7

Жыл бұрын

those 20+ yo kpop stans need to get a job or go to college cuz like wtf

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

I'm 15 and I'm acting more mature than these adults smh.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

🙄 whatever

Dont worry Cheryl, we are streaming this video, hopefully it'll reach out to people and knock some sense in their brains, hopefully they have brains !! 🥰

@theresadavis2004

Жыл бұрын

How do I stream this video. I honestly have never streamed anything in my life . Help

@aesv1per

Жыл бұрын

@@theresadavis2004 lmao i was kidding, but make sure to hear about this issue from start to end, its really serious

@theresadavis2004

Жыл бұрын

@@aesv1per I know I'm sooo mad. I feel so much pity for garam. That poor child must literally feel like shit. If I could do anything to save that poor girl from those nasty people i would do it. Besides you've heard the rumour of how bad Korean bullies are. They're going to ruin garam.

Kpop stans who bully Garam aren't really seriously concerned about bullying, they're just happy to find someone they can insult and make fun of without feeling guilty (because they think she deserves it). I really hope the court handling this case releases the results publicly to clarify Garam's position, she is still very young and must live on with her life. If this case is left hanging with no clear outcome, the public will continue to hate her and it will be difficult for her to be accepted in society.

I got bullied for 8 school years. in elementary school no one wanted to play with me or invite me to any birthdays. From 5 to 7 grade people who weren't in my class tried to bully me for being black, my sexuality or my name. When we moved and I attended a new school that's when I experienced the worst bullying in my life. Isolation, constant insults, psysical attacks. People were spreading rumors about me online. People also took videos of me and spread it on Facebook. I remember coming from the school toilette and there was a huge crowd with their phones and the teachers did nothing. I wish that I had a friend like Garam back them, who could actually protect me. People are calling her a bully not realising that the other girl took pornographic images of a child. This whole situation just showed me that K-pop fans are bullies and disgusting human beings. Also Koreans say that they hate bullying but have the biggest bullying problem in the world. I am so done with the world of K-pop. I also saw a bunch of people say that it is ok to bully her since she is a bully. All of them act so innocent although they are the biggest bullies out there. This whole situation is like the Mina, Jimin situation. Oh poor victim and their mental health. What about the person you are all attacking. I feel like they all just want her to commit suicide. Even she is dead people would still think that it is a joke

@illegaluser69

Жыл бұрын

You had to go through all that?! I'm sorry

@Dokemoni

Жыл бұрын

@@illegaluser69 yes, and even years after moving away from that area. The people who bullied me still talk about me. A close friend of my sister commited suicide because she got bullied. My best friend also got bullied after her mother died. When I changed to her school people told me to stay away from her because she is weird. I was the only person in class who was willing to talk to her. She already forgave some of them because they apologized. The alleged victim in Garams case never wanted an apology like she claims. You only do this kind of publicity if you want revenge.

@elsasnow6224

Жыл бұрын

It's so funny whenever I hear this sentence, " it's ok to bully her because she is a bully" because it sounds exactly like bullies you might encounter in real life. They always have petty reasons for why you deserve bullying. You are annoying, you are this you,are that. It's infuriating because these are bullying right in front of our eyes and we can't even speak about it without getting attacked let alone do something about it.

@leccinB

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry for what you experienced. Adults are at fault

@curiousmoon5506

Жыл бұрын

Sadism in human behaviour and thought is more common than anyone thinks. People savour the moment they think they have a free pass/excuse to abuse another human being. They can be that disgusting. Rather than seeking out a way to solve a situation logically in order to reduce harm, they focus on causing as much damage as possible to fulfill their own sadistic pleasure. Truly disgusting.

I feel like HYBE made two major oversights: 1. What you mentioned in that they couldn’t have predicted how people would react to this. 2. How much power they actually hold. To all of the people saying “HYBE/BigHit should be in the Big 3!” THIS is why they aren’t. Just over the past two years alone starting with Irene’s scandal for losing her temper, how many idols have been let go by SME, JYPE, or YGE? Heck, there was actually evidence enforcing the fact that Hyunjin wasn’t the greatest classmate. But he’s still in Stray Kids. Now look at other idols like Soojin. Kicked out of their group. HYBE/BigHit is not on the same level as these other companies. They have the power and the influence to get the Korean public (again, the only group of people who really matter in KPop) to have faith in them to handle the situation accordingly. Do they? Heck no. And usually it ends up with Taeyong apologizing for things that didn’t happen and he wasn’t even involved in. But that’s the reputation and relationship that these companies have built over the last few decades. The only thing HYBE/BigHit has going for them is BTS. And unless RM came out and made a speech defending Garam (since Armys take whatever he says as the equivalent of a modern day Jesus Christ), there was nothing that the company could do/say to convince anyone that she was innocent once things got out of control. Which they did. Extremely fast. HYBE/BigHit has proven how much more they care about profits over their idols (no surprises there) by prioritizing Lesserafim’s debut over getting this legal case resolved. Like EGU said, they have Sakura and Chaewon. There are still people waiting for Chaeyeon to re-debut. They could have waited and they obviously had NewJeans sort of ready (if they didn’t also run into a scandal…). Like seriously, we lost GFriend for this mess? And the think that makes me the angriest is that I didn’t care about the group at first. I’m not one of those “I was a stan before they even debuted” pick-mes. And now, I’m fully invested in this because I’m furious that not only did Garam potentially have to give up her dream after training so hard, but she’s also being bullied in school again (ON TOP of the cyber bullying)! This is another problem with debuting underaged idols. When this stuff happens to teenagers, it looks like we’re watching an irl drama as opposed to when it happens to adults and it’s taken a little more seriously. I want to say that I’m disappointed in KPop stans. But in order to be disappointed, I would have needed to have expected better from them in the first place. After the last two years, my expectations are so low and yet they still can’t be met. Ridiculous. I hope that it doesn’t happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a headline saying “Kim Garam, former member of Lesserafim, rushed to emergency room after attempting to take her own life”. One can only pray that it would only be an attempt. And y’all then wanna bring up idols like Sulli… If you’re bullying/harassing a minor whether in person or online, you don’t get to bring up the people who took their own lives because of the constant hatred they endured. And now we play the waiting game as to what’s next. How much do you want to bet that Kwon Mina’s going to claim that aliens abducted her and it’s Shin Jimin’s fault?

@SKumar-os2ne

Жыл бұрын

Actually the response for international fans were apparently more for this case than Korea's. It was only the pann users who were actually caring about it. Even the new jeans scandal is happening among international fans. They are doing really great in the melon charts. Lsm's debut song was doing really well in the charts even while this was going on.Also there is a difference between the idols you mentioned and Garam, they got into scandal much later into their career, meaning they already had a fanbase doing half the job of defending them. As for skz Hyunjin even if there is proof, he is a male idol, so he'd never be held to the same standards as a female idol. Usually the cases that blew up about bullying or any kind of attitude controversies usually only involve female idols. Irene got tons of hate too, even if she was a senior idol, she had to go on a hiatus till it blew over, which rv could afford at that time because of Wendy's injury. Lucas is still not back. As for likability or influence, yg is not exactly liked by the gp as well. These company are big 3 not because of their influence over gp, but due to their influence over the media.

@astaristare

Жыл бұрын

The thing I hold Hybe by the collar for is acting like they would support her till the ends of the earth cause that started all the her parents must have bought her way into Hybe and then dropping her cause they wanted new jeans to be successful cause obviously garam antis wouldn’t support new jeans unless they got what they wanted

@Thesilentvoice...

Жыл бұрын

I agree, nothing but facts. Korea cares a lot about bullying for the right reasons, but they aren't dealing with it in the best way. To resolve this issue all hybe had to do is make garam and the victim speak with hybe and the victim's representation present at the scene. She could have been put on hiatus and made a genuine non-prompter apology to the public if she did do it, or just apologized in general about the scandal if she didn't. Garam did not have to leave, good things should happen for everyone, just because they may have done one bad thing as a teen that does not mean they should lose that blessing. I like how JYPE handles situations, and I noticed Irene's scandal blew over after some time, no one would have remembered this much if they let Garam apologize directly to the victim. Now it will forever be remembered as a messy scandal and garams in the public eye. She will be bullied now which is already happening. Korea don't really care about bullying they just act like they do, because the actions do not match the activism they project.

"this is real life happening to a real person" this!!! It makes me so sick how so many people seem to be treating this like a joke or a TV show to make memes of, it's so disturbing.

@ifeadeniji5849

Жыл бұрын

Ppl thinking they watching euphoria, or riverdale, this is very much a real person with real thoughts and feelings ffs.

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

Just like someone said in a comment , this scandal is deeper than just losing her career.

It really amazes me how some of these content creators don't even take down their videos abt making jokes on this situation even after being called out.. Like aren't they ashamed of themselves? They're bullying a minor and ppl are telling them to stop yet they aren't doing anything cuz they're getting views and some immature ppl like them are laughing at their jokes.. Most of them hate it when jokes are made abt their faves, hypocrisy at its best as usual These ppl need to know that bullying a minor and then ignoring the ppl who call them out or saying stuff like "go cry about it" isn't gonna make them look cool Funny how they'll tell ppl like u to move on when they're still continuing to bully her anyways u spoke nothing but facts ty for the vid

Eunseo really got away after ruining garam's life and its making me pissed

What disgusts me is the people on twitter, literally threads filled with unnecessary hate with statements of them thinking they did something when in reality they were no different from being bullies, like they are parading and celebrating the downfall of a 16 year old girl’s career by spreading various rumors and hate, like the hypocrisy is really shining smh

the "2 weeks" thing is so dumb like... i see a girl who was wrongly accused, who was so fearless she defends her friend against someone who spreads molka of a minor and spread rumors about her. i see a girl who was treated so unfairly by her company, who was loved by her team members, who had so many potential as an idol. people are literally "omg people are shooting her just bcs she was treated unfairly, you don't even have a parasocial relationship with her" like YEAH somebody need to step up for this girl. netizens need to step up like they did with jimin/mina case. instead, they laugh about it and tell you to "move on". no we will not move on in front of this REAL injustice. we cannot stop talking about this until people acknowledge garam IS innocent as she IS. the crazy kpoppies who dragged garam for the "justice" of the "viCtiM" now suddenly don't care about justice eh??

@irondragonmaiden

24 күн бұрын

I side-eye all of these people because they are willing to forgive sexual harassment and abuse so long as it's done by a girl and it gives them an excuse to bash their "villain of the week"

It makes me sad that people STILL see her as a bully, even though you literally cleared the whole thing up. I mean, like you mentioned, even her own FRICKING SCHOOL doesn't think she is a bully. It makes me so aggressive seeing people in the comments be like "yeah, she was a bully" but not even doing the research. But I'm also glad that I'm seeing so many people in the comment section who are telling those who still see garam as a bully to "watch Everglow Up's video on the Kim Garam situation", so they can just EMPHASIZE with GARAM'S SIDE, Eunseo was just...disgusting for taking that picture of Garam's friend. Good on Garam for standing up. I hope and pray for Garam that this won't take too much of a toll on her.

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

After that video, i had sm hope for Garam but hybe destroyed it , like even if she wasn't gonna come back to the group , dropping her like is a game is so messed up I just can't.

@insomniatic991

Жыл бұрын

Funny how Garam defenders are the bigoted ones but as soon as you show them any evidence or explain anything that goes against their opinion of her they ignore you and continue getting off on destroying a child's life.

@user-0001.

Жыл бұрын

UGH FINALLY. I can't be the only one that gets aggressive with people that believe she is a bully. I mean it's not a joke after all, her LIFE got ruined because of this, ofc we can get aggressive with dumb bishes on the internet.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

Because she is a bully.

@youdonotknowwhoiamlol

Жыл бұрын

@@drialovessakura4584 You are exactly the person I was talking about in my comment. Thanks for confirming my point.

The sad and frustrating thing is, when the so called "evidence" of her being a bully was spread on the internet, people were SO quick to jump on the hate train without a second thought. Now that evidences of her being innocent are surfacing, people are now suddenly skeptical and are asking for a source when they just ate everything that they were told when grm was accused to be a bully. It just makes NO sense. People just wanted to villainize her and it is sickening.

The fact that people are STILL hating on Garam even after she’s left the group is just disturbing and really gross. Like grow the heck up and be like the rest of us and have your own life instead of being obsessed with hating on people over social media!

@nwachukwumunachi3983

Жыл бұрын

Like girl excalty!! I mean Hybe terminated their contract with her, what else do they want from the poor child🤧

This is the outcome of standing up for your friend. Y'all see this is the outcome if we stand up for someone.

@lucycarlay8547

Жыл бұрын

And Hype just reinforced the statement with kicking her out without beeing able to clear her name. Hype you are a great example for grils.

I had a friend who had a public edit account with a couple of hundred followers, so not the largest platform but a platform nonetheless. What she did with this platform? Ruthlessly attacked Kim Garam and when I mentioned that I stay neutral in bullying scandals (and bullying scandals only !!!(Mostly because of 2021)) she was mad that I didn't immediately attack Garam??? And do you know what she had the nerve to say?? I know a bully when I see one. Like she wasn't bullying a girl our age on the internet for like 3 months while the scandal was going on. :////

@lucycarlay8547

Жыл бұрын

I hope she realized her mistake.

I'm so mad for real, the fact that people is really utilising social media to achieve what they couldn't at highschool and to feed their cheap avenger spirit by fighting the "bully" is sickening, as u mentioned there's lots of people saying they can stan the group now that she's gone, to me is the whole contrary, I know the rest of the girls are NOT under any circumstances guilty of what happened, but stanning them after all this situation really makes me feel uncomfortable. Thanks kpop stans, can't wait for the next person u are gonna decide to harass, because that's literally what u all do, pick and choose without any type of valid criteria.

@boogiebear3095

Жыл бұрын

Like they actually give two fricks about the other five in the first place. It feels like gloating to me

@ammaraqureshi4022

Жыл бұрын

that's such a good point u made that lsrfm might actually even feel uncomfortable with who their fans are now bc who knows when or if theyll turn on them next that easily too

@aleleliah

Жыл бұрын

@@ammaraqureshi4022 ive never thought of such a thing but it is srsly sad and scary for them

"le sserafim is better with 5 members because 5 is a good number for choreography" i wonder if people would still say that if the member who got kicked was sakura, chaewon or even other members

I think a lot of Kpop Stan’s are too young to realize how fucking insane it is to ruin a 16 year old kids life over something that happened when she was like 12

i can't believe the people who are like: 'get over it🙄🙄🙄' NO! GET OVER WHAT??? YOU RUINING A POOR 16 YEAR OLD'S WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING SHE DIDNT EVEN DO?

i SWEAR kpop stans never learn. everyone was oh so sad when soojin left, but then they continue to do the exact same thing to garam another weird thing i have noticed it that staying neutral for some reason translates to kpop stans as siding with the "bad guy". staying neutral means not siding with anyone until more proof comes out, but kpop stans pressure themselves so much to pick a side that when they see someone who chooses to stay neutral, they say: "oh so you took the bully's side"

@kaiheartsyou

Жыл бұрын

exactly omg you said my exact thoughts. in scandals kpop stans almost never actually care about the scandal, only about picking someone to trash and someone to pity so they can look like heroes.

Kpop Stans constant need for a villain in the community (Garam, Woojin, Jimin) while not understanding that the true villain of Kpop is probably themselves for their hypocrisy and lack of accountability for their behaviors

its shocking to see people on twitter laughing at her downfall and continuing to bully her, its disturbing..

People don’t care about defending the victim. They just want something to be outraged about. Some fans are so hypocritical, they hate bullies but yet bully a teenager, & act like they know the idols personally like they’re their bestie or the whole situation. It’s the Mina and Jimin situation all over again.

this is sad she was just protecting her friend. it broke my heart when she wrote "my dream lasted 2 weeks but I'll appreciate it" how do people sleep peacefully after doing this to her.

I love how kpop fans will talk about mental health and worry about their faves having mental health issues when we as the fans might be contributing a lot more than we think; Imagine being in their shoes and knowing that someone could bring up a past incident you had and all of a sudden everyone has made up their minds about the fact that you are guilty, without knowing the full story, and thousands of people around the world are all sending you threats and bullying you online while celebrating the downfall of a career you worked so hard to achieve, all while still being a child. Babes we are literally a part of the problem in regards to the mental problems kpop celebrities face.

I still believe that the reason for all the hatred began for the simple reason that Garam was the member that initially captured the public's attention... people were so desperate to find an excuse to freely hate her whay before the bullying accusations and it shose...

I'm so glad I stayed unbiased during this whole situation but watching the amount of hate forwarded towards her was honestly painful. Attacking a 16 year old, making tiktoks, tweets, videos and articles about how she is a massive bully while cyberbullying her back doesn’t make you a better person. You are becoming exactly what you are judging in others.

I have been saying this for a long time and probably keep on saying this, but whenever an issue comes on, stay neutral about it, dont express your opinions and bully a LITERAL CHILD, let it be. Im scared for her because of HYBE terminating her contract, she wont get any jobs. She trained for a very long time and now she has to go back to school. Y'all ruined a 16 year olds life, have some shame and touch some grass. This isn't tea, this is serious

Sad thing is that the kpop community will probably never learn from this.

It’s funny how some people decide that one person is innocent yet the other is guilty 👀

@Shelly50214

Жыл бұрын

Wait these isn't how law work

@btsvcrr

Жыл бұрын

@@Shelly50214 I’m not talking about the real law 😭 I’m just talking about Stan’s

@Shelly50214

Жыл бұрын

@@btsvcrr OK

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

@@btsvcrr fr , they act like it's a game where they can choose who can survives and who dies .

They hate your videos because they don't want to feel guilty for what they have done

it disgusts me seeing ot5 stans trying to make chaewon, sakura, yunjin, kazuha, and eunchae look like mean bitches as well. they make tweets saying “they’re celebrating” and take chaewon jokingly telling garam to get away out of context, saying she really meant it. they claim to be against bullying then make the other 5 seem like bullies. why would they celebrate their friend getting kicked out of the group for swearing at someone in middle school? i agree with you, hybe should’ve postponed lesserafim’s debut. if not that, then don’t make the other 5 promote without garam after daeryun and eunseo opened their mouths. this is why hybe isn’t in the big 3 and the big 4 doesn’t exist. irene was accused of yelling at a stylist, lucas was accused of being a shitty boyfriend, and taeyong was accused of bullying but sm didn’t kick any of them out. hyunjin was accused of bullying which turned out to be an altercation in middle school, when park bom got in her drug scandal, she wasn’t kicked out of 2ne1. like cube, hybe only cares about profits. they saw how people loved ot5, so they kicked garam out. i have said this multiple times and i will say it again: kpop stans never learn. shin jimin, woojin (people still think he’s guilty for some reason), soojin, and t-ara were proven innocent after false accusations that ruined their careers, but those same people who felt bad about their careers being ruined will dogpile on the next idol who gets accused of bullying, sa, etc. instead of staying neutral, because believing the victim is better according to them. i think out of all the fandoms i’ve been in, the kpop fandom is the worst, especially on twitter and tiktok.

@Ysa_Lps

Жыл бұрын

Bruh they prob use Kim garam as noise marketing 🤨

and the way people say “hybe disbanded gfriend for this??” when before gfriend disbanded kpop twt were cancelling sowon for her controversy? they conveniently forgot their opinions on that now

I was on her side since the start, tho I honestly didn't say anything defending her bc I didn't want d**th threats from stans but holy shit. I think K-pop stans are the most brainless type of people online. The way I screamed when I saw a post from Globalmyeon showing her written up desk with malicious words on it, only for the comments to say " oh well it's ot5 now so whatever" or " well, you probably shouldn't bully the bully" EVEN THO SHE CLEARLY WASN'T A BULLY IN THE FIRST PLACE is so frustrating. As someone the same age as Garam, I know how hard this is going to affect her mentally and I hope she gets the support she needs because this entire situation is so appalling.

@astaristare

Жыл бұрын

She and yunjin were my biased cause I knew yunjin since before the group and garam caught my attention and because of she was my bias I automatically kept up with the situation and I knew the whole story was fishy I completely understand u not saying anything cause the amount of racist comments i have gotten because I supported her are appalling

Unrelated to Garam, but I really wanna thank Cheryl for making these types of videos. I'm glad because around 8 months ago I decided to watch this channel, even though I believed it would be one of those KZread channels that only share negativity with "satire." The videos are actually informative and creative and editing has been really cool lately. Majority of subscribers are also on normal side of Kpop fandom so thanks again. 💙

Kpop stans out here saying "we won" like grow up...

kim garam's case just demonstrate kpop stan's true colours. Actually, this is not only frustrating, all of this situation is scary and gross. Some people who hate kim garam (and the ones who dont even know her) are taking this opportunity to be evil, and later, justify "because shes was a bully. Shes deserved it!" No! If you are doing this bcuz you hate her or just for fun, let me tell you *you can be worst than her*

More like how stupid KZread channels used Garam for content and made the general public hate on her and then made a uturn and now saying she was innocent all along.

What makes me laugh is how many people are saying we are over reacting. What do you call all of the people who were whining and screaming for Kim Garam to leave the group? Or the ones attacking the people who decided to stay neutral in the comments? They were the ones who were giving themselves a hero complex in the name of bullying. And using their emotions to cast judgment instead of looking for actual proof and thinking logically about this. “Think of eunseo!” “What would you do if you were bullied” For argument’s sake, let’s pretend that it was definitely proven that Garam was a bully, almost everyone has experienced bullying and you can get all the help and empathy you need. I personally went to therapy for it and that helped a lot. And yes if you experience bullying and oppression you deserve all the empathy and healing. But that doesn’t mean to bully the person back. Or spend all you’re waking moment thinking about the bully and wishing death or ill towards them. If you do that then you’re just as bad as the bully.

I hope you make another vid because garam already spoken up through her friends ig acc, it's trending right now. It makes me sad. Garam needs justice.

Garam should take action against as many people as she can for defamation

i honestly have a lot of screenshots of the accounts who hated her, karma will get yall

My take: While an incident apparently happened when Garam was 12 (yes, TWELVE) nothing about anything indicates this constituted a pattern of behavior. Also, the reason why we have evidence about an incident ever even occurring was because the adults who were responsible for the kids involved apparently took things seriously and corrected their behavior with disciplinary measures (with the exception of this one girl who moved out). Garam clearly paid for whatever happened, then moved on - just like things should have happened. Determining from this that she's apparently completely irredeemable is NOT AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF CONSEQUENCES HOLY S***. Also, this will probably follow her for her entire life in SK. She'll never escape this, unless the whole thing gets clarified somehow later. How is this in any way proportional?! Also, I'm an adult. The people we are talking about are minors. Even if someone was a bully at 16 (let alone, again, TWELVE) it would be even worse for me to cyberbully them out of their career. (Edit: took out a profanity.)

@lucycarlay8547

Жыл бұрын

Boah, yes I have read that so many times. They act like she committed a murder or something. Or the ones who say that you can not change in 4 years ... like 12 and 16 is so different, that is literally from High school musical to Euphoria. And you always have the ones, who thing she deserves a worser punsihment, who I just think 1. It wasn't even bulling. 2. The school probably have her the best punishment, that is usefull. Because it seems to me most people don't know if, but a school should not only punish.

It made me sick watching a bunch of people in their 20’s cyber bully someone who was just defending their friend, essentially getting their career ruined in the process. It’s like they will do anything for gratification and being right.

I hope Garam can come back as a soloist or something. She truly didn't deserve any of this bs. I don't know 100% for sure if she's guilty of the accusations or not, but people really did her dirty with the misinformation being spread. With the evidence made public (such as her school's actual punishment system) it really seems that there is more to the story but it's embarrassing to see how people are literally ignoring all of this so they can strengthen their narrative of Garam being the villain.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

She won’t 😂

@dnuhuh

Жыл бұрын

she can’t even if she wanted to she’ll never be able to be an idol or actress

I actually don't know if to Stan the group because I feel uncomfortable of the reasons of why they are 5 now. I just feel so bad about how people have treated Garam, I have always acknowledged the toxic side of kpop stans but this made me feel literally sick. Not to say I am worried about Garam's mental health.

@mimid.227

Жыл бұрын

I feel you , they way ppl treated her and bullied her kinda of cool down my liking for the group , I still like lesserafim but not as much .

@ainalove3492

Жыл бұрын

​@@mimid.227 I totally agree I really like their music but if I see the 5 of them I just feel so sad.

also it annoys me that when garam's contract got terminated people immediately went using lesserafim's members name to celebrate and make fun of her? like who are you to know what the members felt and what they were thinking when this happened, do you know them? did they say this to you? "sakura this" "chaewon that" "eunchae is finally getting lines" ALSO THE FACT THEY KEEP BRINGING UP WONYOUNG JUST BECAUSE THEY GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL??? "Wonyoung when she sees garam" "Wonyoung going to garam's dorm" like why are you bringing someone that isn't involve in this? also why would you think wonyoung would do anything when she does see garam? you expect her to fight garam? its really sad because if either garam is actually proven innocent those titkoto videos won't be deleted by people that posted them because "people have their own opinions" or something stupid they can make excuses of.

@drialovessakura4584

Жыл бұрын

Garam has exit the building. 💜Sakura!!! 😗😙

Half of these people will never learn or change their mindset unless they experience for themselves what Garam went through.

It's actually depressing to think that people will continue this cycle of judging someone without proper legitimacy to any rumors and will live their life normally like nothing happened and not give a single fuck about the person's career and life they've just ruined

@estefysally

Жыл бұрын

people are way too disconnected from these idols they don't see them as real people

Thank you for making this video, it's truly disgusting how kpop stans will go so hard to ruin someone's life and face no consequences just because they are anonymous. I really hope Garam gets the help and comfort she deserves and lives her best life. She has gone thru allot no one especially a minor should never go thru that.

Exactly! There was this youtube short saying how people still defend Garam despite her being "proven guilty" but bullied Soojin and Hyunjin. I literally linked them your video on her and they still wouldn't get out of their hateful delusions

Kpop Stan’s deserve to be held accountable for what they did to Garam- and I love what you said at 0-24 seconds. Thx for this vid

@girlfromsomewhere4939

Жыл бұрын

kpop stans don't like accountability because they will only embarrass themselves if they admit that they're bullying a minor