Jesse did an amazing thing which is trace back the roots of karate by traveling to China, to Fujian region. Something that my Sifu of Bajiquan told me was that Fujian is a unique area compared to the rest of China and Chinese martial arts. In my case, I’ve focused on Goju Ryu and the branched off to Bajiquan, noticed how similar some techniques are and how they differ, and also how I can mix them up to develop my training much more

Its like Ed Parker said: “There are no pure styles of karate. Purity comes only when pure knuckles meet pure flesh, no matter who delivers or receives.”

@Colt-ii4qn

5 ай бұрын

We’ve all heard what Master Parker said 😏

I definitely have adapted my own karate different from the art as was taught to me in the dojo. I hadn't trained directly under my sensei for 30 years and he's passed away. My dojo mates who stayed in Hawaii training there -- their forms look different than the way I do them. My kata and kobudo are "time capsules" from when I was taught in the mid-80s.

Excellent analogy. I've noticed that my sparring and bagwork looks different from what I've learned after years. It's become what i like to do rather than what i've been shown

@ArtofOneDojo

Жыл бұрын

And because of your own influences, what you would teach and pass along would be different than what was taught to you and how.

Systems vs styles is a huge part of this conversation

That was one of my favorite messages in Kobra Kai. The way I viewed the series was growth. Martial arts to me is about adapting and growing as individuals. Daniel preached Miyagi's lessons but as time went on people told him, both young and old, that his way of teaching worked for Daniel but it was only one way of teaching. Daniel after working with Johnny and later with his daughter realized this. Bruce Lee used to talk about adapting in martial arts. The show did a great job in showing it

Climbing the mountain is a classic saying in Chinese martial art culture. I assume in other cultures as well. You did a great explanation, especially with the tree analogy. Great job!

An episode on Shukokai would be amazing good Sir. Deep learning into their power generation.

My school closed almost a year ago. At that time, our group of leaders broke away from the former due to politics. My school was starting well but ended closing anyway. Since then, I have been training in my garage with both the former a the new style of Taekwondo. Slowly I have been contemplating to create my own style of taekwondo, that is not sport competitive, but actual self defense because it makes sense to me. I agree, with what you said. There can come a point where everyone can still hold onto a style that they were taught by the former, but eventually have the freedom to create a newer or evolved version that makes sense to him.

I like the different paths analogy but the tree fits Karate/Martial Arts very well. Because the fighting styles have been evolving for centuries, when you consider the history & sources of the influences of many of them especially Karate. Ex. Gichin Funakoshi’s son had interests in kendo & iaido not to mention Funakoshi’s relationship with Jigoro Kano. The styles didn’t nor do they exist in a vacuum. They were built up & continue to be even now.

I absolute love this analogy. This truly has made my day! I think I like you’re tree analogy more then the mountain one, which don’t get me wrong was a bad analogy. I think Funikoshi would have love this analogy as well. After all he was “Pinewaves” 😊

@ArtofOneDojo

Жыл бұрын

We can put the trees ON the mountains and now we're really cooking!

Check out an ecclectic style of full contact Karate called "Shidokan Karate", which came from traditional styles of Karate and Kyokushin Karate. It's probably the most progressive and practical style of Karate for modern times.

Throughout my martial journey, I've seen how various martial arts evolved. Great presentation, sir.

I took the boxing style that I learned, which was specifically developed for MMA and street defense, and I have adapted by fusing it with elements of Muay Thai, dirty boxing, clinch wrestling and even Tae Kwon Do. I trained No-Gi Jiu-Jitsu and tried to make my style of grappling unique to me by introducing aspects and principles of catch wrestling. Most of all I’ve tried to adapt a different mindset for different circumstances.

@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights

Жыл бұрын

Sounds lethal

If you look at American Tang Soo Do congress roots are moo duk kwan but added judo, Shotokan, and Shinto ryu influences

I found Jesse's trip to China to be fascinating. Especially when one of his forms looked a lot like the beginning of another form. The stories of the early instructors taking the forms and 'simplifying them' for kids and in general to be taught part piqued my interest. Why? Because the simplification process, by its nature, meant that there were parts intentionally dropped (for whatever reason). Those parts may have been the moves designed to show wrestling-like moves (like how to get your opponent in a rear naked choke hold) or some ground fighting moves. Practitioners that saw and liked those moves took them and refined them into their own arts, like BJJ (but without incorporating much of the hand or foot fighting distance stuff). I like the analogy of the tree roots coming back down, though from my perspective, it seems that much of this is the missing parts of the trees are being put back. I know that many people deride forms, but these forms are where these moves live and how they get passed on from generation to generation. Even within the same system, there are interesting differences in how practitioners do things and yes, we need to make the moves our own. The fallacy that some fall into, though, is in believing that what works for one person will always work for another. Different sizes, different strengths, different flexibilities all mean we look at forms and their applications differently. If you are a big guy, 6'10, 290lbs, ripped and the like, moves designed for a smaller person - say 5'1, 110lbs - will not make sense. And, vice versa.

WOW!! You just hit a homerun with that topic. I share your point of view. Your analogy to the forest is exactly how martial ARTS should be. Unfortunatly damn politcs tend to grow tree plantation instead of a pure wild forest.

I made a comment the other day on another video I saw. That I can't believe that this discussion is still coming up in this day and age. Fortunately I have been part of the IRKRS under Hanshi Patrick McCarthy and learnt that it has always been the human body its unique function and anatomical weaknesses the that best impede motor function. Also learnt that it is not about style but about art and science. Karate and Jujutsu have always gone hand in hand, kenjutsu helps aid them as well. Chinese arts and Silat also help aid them. In a different video all together one sword classical sword style has 5 branches which has left enthusiasts to bo back to the scrolls.

Martial Arts as a forest is a very interesting concept.

Lines are only there when we draw them. Also don’t forget some of these trees drop nuts. 😂

Very amazing why of explaining the Martial arts-karate. I often use the tree as well I have a Pic that explaining the core of karate and use it to explain. Thanks so much for your wisdom.

Very well said sir

I feel so identified with this, since... Well always i have trained taekwondo, but i started with sport taekwondo, and well... Its great, gived me good footwork, good kicks, an excelent way to gauge distance,.... But... I felt... I was not getting it all,... So when i started re-training ( personal reasons) i started to do more of my forms, and... Well... Created my practical taekwondo ( kinda looks like karate/ muy thai but its defintely taekwondo 😂) because.. in the forms they teached us knees, elbows, a variery of punches and sweeps, many solutions for problems ... And that was my starting point... I think i went back to the roots, and started doing what i actually trained, just implementing it more in my style of combat.

I understand what you are saying. But I still prefer to say any style I have learned is an art. I think the separation is important for keeping an identity. For example: I trained Muay Thai before and it's a Thai art. You can't really grouping it with Karate or Kung-Fu. Yes they are all martial arts but a totally different animal. As for the tree. I am surprised you didn't know Bonsai is a form of trees sculpturing art not a tree for itself, it could be any tree and the tree used in the Karate Kid franchise called Yamadori. Yamadori trees are rare in nature and are sold for 6-18,000 $ on average depending on couple of factors.

People should write down how old they think their style is and then research how old it really is.

Some Karate practitioners who loves mainly using kicks when they spar looks more similar to Taekwondo than Karate 🥋.

I like your metaphor. The different styles is liken to a tree in the forest of Martial Arts. Hopefully your tree is alive and still growing. Good roots make for a strong tree.

If roy nelson can use kung fu in ufc, I think karate must be can too. it is just people that good at karate's basic usually dont want to learn about mma rules and strategies. And karate fighter that fighting at mma usually isnt very good at karate's basic

I think people try to get far too “scientific” with styles. There is science in martial arts in terms of body mechanics, health science, nutrition, etc., but the idea that we can cleaning craft perfect categories and/or hierarchies of martial arts is a futile effort. I think the “importance” of style mostly comes from an external, popular audience type thing. Bill a fight as style versus style and it sells like hotcakes because it appears to promise a “scientific” or “objective” conclusion to which is better. People who don’t really practice or only dabble often eat that up. In reality there is so much that goes into a fight. Age difference, diet, height/weight/reach ranges, who trains more a week, who spars regularly or doesn’t, how long have they been involved in their art, etc. Or even asking “when,” boxing in the 1800’s is NOT boxing today. We can’t make definitive statements about a whole art for all time on the basis of even a couple bouts. It seems the other side of it is the pressure to “preserve” an art. And while I can appreciate that, I think for every effort a person takes to preserve the past, they need to make two to push the envelope. Styles are really, at the end of the day, just conversational short hand. If you say you do karate, I have a rough idea of what you mean and, to that end, “karate” is a useful label. But when we let labels dictate arbitrary rules and limitations on what we can/cannot do or explore… that’s an issue.

Art is an expression of the human condition. Martial arts qualify as they express a wide variety of this condition. From pure aggression, physical growth, to mental and emotional strength. Absolutely are Arts. There are absolutely divisions in Art. Music is not painting, both express humanity. Classical music is not Country, which is not Jazz. Cubism is not Surrealism, nor Realism. Within these divisions there are even more. Music is singing, instrumental, etc. Painting can be water color, oil, or what have you. Are some Arts part of a larger Art? Yes, but there are clear divisions. Muy Thai is not jujutsu. Karate is not kenjutsu. Samurai learned a wide range of skills, but in a cohesive Art. Naginatajutsu to Kenjustu to Jujutsu, with specific variations within. Yari, Jo, Tanto, Iai, Nito, are all found in the curriculum, but are still separate from each other. Just like other Arts, Martial Arts share fundamental principles. How to hold a paint brush, to apply layers of paint, to control breathing to sing, how to play different notes. Such principles reach across similar as well as different Arts. One may help with another, but that is not to say there is no differentiation in how the principles are applied.

The words such as "pure," "watered down," "softer", and "more powerful" are less than useless. They are the words of someone who wants to replace an objective description with their personal opinion. It is absolutely dishonest to say you know something, that you have an objective fact and then express your preference in its place. Adjectives are not helpful nor insightful, more importantly they are poisoning the well in a way that prevents further discussion of an art because using them insults everyone who practices that category.

Don't tell MMA PEOPLE this they may pull their own heads off

@ArtofOneDojo

Жыл бұрын

Let them pull them off... That'll be less nonsense to argue with :P

@stevejuszczak9402

Жыл бұрын

@@ArtofOneDojo ok ,but ii like to argue with non sense

Tai Chi Chuan seems like a rather "pure" system to me. There are different styles and substyles of Tai Chi, but they all have more similarities than differences.

@ArtofOneDojo

Жыл бұрын

This is what I mean by "pure" being arbitrary. Which Tai chi are you referring to? The more popular modern meditative side of the original combat style? Which one is the pure style? That's still a good example of an art that changed over time.

@Scorch1028

Жыл бұрын

@@ArtofOneDojo I'm talking about the self-defense system of Tai Chi Chuan, and Chen style in particular.

Bruce Lee call them arts

Jesse's idea is stolen from the world renowned evolutionary biologist, Richard Dawkins.

Karate has lost its way, before the name Karate it was just fighting, different types of fighting have been around for a very long time, greed now runs the Martial Arts anything to make Money.

Hello I was just wondering what you think of the martial arts presentation that I shared with you a while back ?

@ArtofOneDojo

Жыл бұрын

It's been a while since I saw it, but I thought it was pretty good, I agreed with a lot of it as far as I can recall. :)

Jesse did an amazing thing which is trace back the roots of karate by traveling to China, to Fujian region. Something that my Sifu of Bajiquan told me was that Fujian is a unique area compared to the rest of China and Chinese martial arts. In my case, I’ve focused on Goju Ryu and the branched off to Bajiquan, noticed how similar some techniques are and how they differ, and also how I can mix them up to develop my training much more