jorah job was to kill targaryens, he succeed midway

@brazenbeasts6035

Жыл бұрын

He stop killing Targaryen when Ned exiled him

@SgtSpeedy

Жыл бұрын

@@brazenbeasts6035 No, thats when he started. Before his exile he was a noble heir. But he got caught smuggling and got exiled. He stopped trying to kill the Targaryens when he fell in love with Dany

@DominionSorcerer

Жыл бұрын

@@SgtSpeedy before his exile he was the lord of Bear Island and head of House Mormont and he fled into exile after he sold poachers to slavers to pay for his Hightower wife's very expensive habits rather than face Ned Stark's justIce.

@SgtSpeedy

Жыл бұрын

@@DominionSorcerer ah yeah, I forgot he was actually the lord, since his father was the lord commander of the night’s watch

@tanianixzsmenchsharefort

Жыл бұрын

Always Hightowers starting something

I mean, everyone surrounding Viserys experienced an improved quality of life afterwards.....

@haydendunmusic

11 ай бұрын

Except drogo…

@xbadburnsx6836

11 ай бұрын

like all those people who died in the desert?

@MacaroniJudas

11 ай бұрын

Except Rhaego

@ramonserna8089

9 ай бұрын

No, most of them died. Daenerys became a widow and lost her son and Jorah remained a cuck.

@TheseUseless

8 ай бұрын

⁠@bencooper7328Dany’s life was better…for a very brief period.

Viserys was supposed to stay in Pentos as a guest until the day Khal Drago was ready to gift him an army. He insisted on travelling with them and was a walking disaster, pissing off everyone, even his own sister. Jorah knew the man was never going to change and would be nothing but a problem for him. And as he showed later on in the series he's very good at getting rid of problems.

@cooperminion825

Жыл бұрын

I remember Illyrio trying to explain that in Dothraki culture, a gift is something paid back when they feel the time is right. Viserys didn't give a shit and wanted his army NOW. Dude had zero chill

@chideraalexanderdex547

11 ай бұрын

I'm confused did jorah lie when he said they can't shed blood in the sacred city? Because I thought that was true but the video implies it's not

@nelsonchereta816

11 ай бұрын

@@chideraalexanderdex547 Jorah didn't lie. The Dothraki can't 'spill blood' in their holy city. But Viserys assumed can't 'spill blood' meant can't kill. And Jorah didn't try to clear up this little misunderstanding.

@chideraalexanderdex547

11 ай бұрын

@@nelsonchereta816 well that seems more like a viserys slip and not misdirection by jorah Also are those comics of got?

@riftvallance2087

11 ай бұрын

​@@chideraalexanderdex547Not really, while Vyseris was strutting in front of Drago saying "blah blah blah you can't kill me here" that would have been the perfect time for Jorah to say " of yes they can still kill you " knowing that he has seconds away from getting himself killed. Instead of using his time to do that Jorah translated his insults putting the final nail into his coffin.

Viserys got himself killed. He refused to take advice, was entitled, and was consumed with rage. It was going to happen eventually regardless of Jorah's actions, or innaction.

@boutabagg6640

Жыл бұрын

How couldn’t you feel entitled when your grandfather was king and father was heir to the iron throne

@dtly50

Жыл бұрын

​​@@boutabagg6640when you are in exile,on the run, without an army, and literally trying to sell kin for an army, to a warlord, where your only chance of survival is contigent on the honor of that warlord. Even if not allowed to spill blood on holy land was true in every figurative sense what is stopping them from dragging you out and killing you on non holy ground. Entitlement at that point goes beyond lack of self awareness straight into lack of even the most basic survival instincts.

@nathanielartosilla9110

Жыл бұрын

​@@boutabagg6640his father was King Aerys II not Rhaegar lol

@stevefilms1997

Жыл бұрын

@@dtly50he was raised that way, he was raised by a bunch of people who wanted to use him to get control over the throne. Self awareness doesn’t somehow save you from a lifetime of conditioning well it maybe does but how do you get it? Also the man was fully scammed if you look at him, already being entitled, and see what he’s doing, he doesn’t seem as bad as the others he’s may be a shit, but he’s not a psychopath.

@keturahspencer

Жыл бұрын

@@stevefilms1997 I actually do have some empathy for him, but that doesn't change the fact that he got himself killed. Viserys was reeling from the pain of his past and lashing out. How does one get self awareness? One has to first step outside there own inner monologue and both observe and listen to others. They also must reflect on the own self actions and hire that plays a part in why they are where they are. Viserys wasn't willing to do that. Yes, he needed guidance, but he wouldn't accept it.

Yes Viserys was awful, but the actor playing him was SO good, I was actually a bit sad when he was killed off.

@evafleury5538

9 ай бұрын

Same here! He was great at being a cunt! Lol!!!

@ehwalkman8868

7 ай бұрын

I agree 100%, he also did the audio book for the Hedge Knight novellas. He gives it his all in the audio does voices and everything.

@slicingonions4398

6 ай бұрын

He was a good actor he made us hate him just like the guy playing Joffrey and the high sparrow and of course Cersei. They found some amazingly talented people for this show. To bad they couldn’t also find competent screen writers (David and Dan) that were to full of themselves to just hand the show off to more capable writers when they ran out of source material and wanted to work on something else

@Ivorysky00

6 ай бұрын

​@@ehwalkman8868I hope they bring him back to read The Winds of Winter!!! Although Roy Dotrice will always be my favorite 😭😭😭 RIP legend

@Bridget466

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@Ivorysky00high key want a redo of the audiobooks with Viserys’ actor. The way he emotes is perfect in the dunk and egg stories, so I’m inclined to hear more from him. And I’d also like a consistent listen experience for names like Catelyn or Petyr

What happens in the show is almost correct but he ALSO puts his bare steel against her belly. Enough to draw blood-threatens to kill the baby and THAT'S WHAT got him killed,in truth. ❤

@morganyoung3557

11 ай бұрын

He also threatened to cut the baby out of Daenerys in the show too.

@lunahyacinth6335

10 ай бұрын

@@morganyoung3557he did but in the show he didn’t spill her blood. The price for drawing blood in Vaes Dothrak is death, the catch being that any execution had to abide by that same rule. Molten gold over the head seems to meet all those requirements

@harringt100

7 ай бұрын

​@@lunahyacinth6335 It really seems like there would be blood coming out from someone dying from burns to the head...

@selkiara1272

7 ай бұрын

​@@harringt100ixes with the gold and gets diluted... I assume. Or just encased inside...

@thomasbullins

4 ай бұрын

What got him killed was threatening Khal Drogo's baby ---

Look at the wording though. "Shed blood" implies people may be killed as long as blood isn't shed. So in a way blood wasn't shed.

@dahken417

Жыл бұрын

The Mongol Horde in real life believed anyone who spilled royal blood would be cursed. They would strangle royals, or wrap them in a carpet and kick them to death with horses.

@arttusuonsivu8492

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Everyone gets this, including the poster of this short.

@greenrighthand

Жыл бұрын

Wow. Holy shit. Sooo smart. Nobody thought about that. Amazing. Your mom must be proud.

@rosita3528

Жыл бұрын

​@@greenrighthandNo need to be so rude. He was only given his thoughts like everybody else does on a comment thread

@SantomPh

Жыл бұрын

One is not allowed to draw a blade in Vaes Dothrak and shed blood with it.

I always thought the crown for a king was a way of killing Viserys without shedding blood

@jayb8934

Ай бұрын

Yes, that's exactly the point. Viserys didn't realize that the spilling blood thing was literal, and that nothing prevented him from being killed in a way that didn't actually involve bloodshed. He also could have been strangled, had his neck snapped, been poisoned, or any number of other things.

@johnlefebre7495

25 күн бұрын

this

@samueld5418

25 күн бұрын

well...uh....yeah. cant get anything past you

To paraphrase Napoleon Bonaparte : Never interfere with your enemy, when he is about to commit a mistake.” Jorah’s inaction to prevent Visery from taking a wrong step, could be seen as an action onto itself. Jorah may have lit the fuse and stood back to appear as an “unheeded voice of reason”. Visery was an impediment for the advancement of Daenerys, if Daenerys was to rule, Visery would have to be removed. Quite a machiavellian plot twist, that even the Borgias would have been proud of.

@StigaWorldCup

Ай бұрын

A very good & observant view. Rodrigo, Cesare & Niccolo would most certainly agree 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@nickstitz7810

25 күн бұрын

Viserys*

Jorah has betrayed pretty much everyone throughout the story. If he wasn't played by such a fine actor in the series, people wouldn't like him quite so much.

@lluewhyn

9 ай бұрын

They really whitewashed him in the show. You'll hear a lot of show fans say "He was so devoted to Daenerys, so how come she never gave him a chance?!?" And the answer is that it would likely change the story too much from the books, where he's a unrepentant slaver his mid-40s attempting to groom a 15-year-old girl.

@Crazimir

8 ай бұрын

Yep. So many characters are tilted towards Chaotic Good in the show compared to the books. Take Tyrion, for instance. He's actually an evil bastard in the later books and a benevolent diplomat in the show @@lluewhyn

@justinb864

6 ай бұрын

@@CrazimirI like Tyrion’s arc in the show early on, even if it wasn’t entirely accurate to the source material, but much like Arya once he had his moment he pretty much became a side character. Although present, there was no growth or ambition. Props to Peter Dinklage though for his masterful acting. His performance in the trial always gives me chills when I go back to it. Definitely a highlight in the series.

@Neil-qg9cw

6 ай бұрын

​@Crazimir Tyrian having no evil arc is so frustrating in the show. Dinklage would have owned that. They just used him as a convenient rewrite of cut characters and turned him into a bumbling idiot with hots for Dany.

@nissaniss4251

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I loved Jorah in the show. Books, not so much lol. He was a totally different character but with the same name.

Regarding the blood being shed thing: In real life the Mongols did this exact thing with captured royalty. It escapes me at the moment which empire exactly they did it to, but they didn’t want to shed royal blood so they wrapped them in a rug and rode over them with their horses. Being that the Dothraki pretty much seem to be modelled after the Mongols or maybe the Huns, I imagine GRRM probably got the idea from that.

@kavoshkhoshbin1432

Ай бұрын

It was a Caliph. People believed that if a Caliph is hurt, the sky will fall over as he is God's representative. Mongols had the Caliph put in a rug and stomped him to death without shedding any blood.

@AC-hj9tv

28 күн бұрын

Hilarious way to end someone 😂😂🐴

@as.34-zo5em

26 күн бұрын

GRRM has a very shallow understanding of what Mongols were if Dothrakis are supposed to represent Mongols

@warrioremperor6320

19 күн бұрын

Wrong Mongols used horse archery primarily

@JohnRNewAccountNumber3

6 сағат бұрын

​@@as.34-zo5emIt's called inspiration. Do you think there were dragons in the war of the roses?

Imagine Viserys, Joffrey, and Ramsay Snow in a room together…

@luckyhippy4898

11 ай бұрын

Ramsey would've made both of them his b!tch 😂

@porchezhiyanelanthirayan1816

Ай бұрын

Ramsay would eat the other two for dinner! Ramsay is as much dick as other two but he is competent too. Other two aren't.

@user-rj8fh8ev5m

28 күн бұрын

Ramsey wins as the other two are weak princes.

@momoftm2116

27 күн бұрын

And aegon 2

@porchezhiyanelanthirayan1816

27 күн бұрын

@@momoftm2116 Aegon the magnanimous is a Baby. He is reckless and stupid but ain't evil.

Well duh, jorah was working as a spy and his task was to kill targaryens.

@misslanapaulford

8 ай бұрын

If that was the case.. why did he never let anyone kill dany or kill her himself.

@laurenceroberts7269

7 ай бұрын

Because he fell in love with her.@@misslanapaulford

@scroll.withmohit

3 ай бұрын

​@@laurenceroberts7269simper

@Dell-ol6hb

15 күн бұрын

@@misslanapaulford because he’s a pedophile and was in “love” with her

Even though he was annoying af and abusive to Danny i can't completely hate him, he went through a lot only as a young boy, I know he was kind of mad when aerys was still alive but how could you not with a father like him Just the look on Viserys's face at 0:49 makes me feel so much pity for him

@MrNachtgespenst

Жыл бұрын

I don't know. I don't think he was mad as a kid, just raised by a madman. Daenerys herself said, that he was a protective, if very paranoid and stressed, brother to her, before he had to sell their mothers crown. I find the madness to be funny as hell by the way. Valyrians probably had an immunity to the consequences of incest in some way, being of Dragonblood for example, Dragons are "magical" after all (there are also animals who end up with their siblings in certain circumstances (wolves for example)). But the Targaryens ended up marrying non Valyrians on Westeros because of the machinations of the noble houses. It is very likely, that the Westerosi created the madness they had to suffer under themselves😅😂 I also don't believe Maegor was mad, but rather obsessed with prophecy, like Rhaegar. He did have a mother who was rumored to use magic and his first wive was rumored to do so as well. 🤔

@WERTYUIO821

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrNachtgespenst I 100% agree. For Maegor though, I would also add the fact he had some head injuries that resulted in coma during his trial by combat against the faith. This may also have caused some madness in him+his paramount

@MrNachtgespenst

Жыл бұрын

@@WERTYUIO821 True that. It just fits so perfectly in my head with the way he died. Maybe he finally understood, that he wasn't the promised prince his mother told him about and that every gruesome thing he did achieved nothing.

@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite

Жыл бұрын

He pimped out Dany and he was ready to kill her and her child while being in a drunken stupor. I don't pity him, he had many opportunities to make it out alive but he did nothing but digging himself deeper until Drogo had enough.

@Bob-lr2xp

Жыл бұрын

Cool story. Still threatened to kill his pregnant sister in front of her husband.

After watching House of Dragon, it seems Viserys is just a cursed name

The Dothraki can't shed blood in the literal sense, if a drop of blood touches the ground of the sacred city then it is believed that the killer would be cursed to die. Viserys probably wasn't told anything, and he just assumed that "can't spill blood" meant "can't kill". Drogo could've easily slit visery's throat, but instead he pured molten gold over his head

@nelsonchereta816

Жыл бұрын

Viserys was a complete idiot. Even if his interpretation had been right and 'can't shed blood' did mean can't kill, how did he think publicly threatening to cut the Khal's baby out of his siter's belly was going to end well? Can't shed blood doesn't mean Drogo couldn't break most of his bones, or just beat on him with his fists. He could have had Viserys dragged outside the city and then cut his throat. The moment he threatened his sister in front of Drogo he was dead regardless of the customs and laws.

"Can't shed blood" and "Can't Kill" are two very different terms. The dothraki simply can't _spill_ blood in Vaes Dothrak, but they certainly can _kill_ people. Hanging, Broken Bones, Neck Snapping, Molten gold being poured over your head. All of these are gruesome modes of killing that don't spill a single drop of blood.

@quantum340

3 ай бұрын

There is an intetesting example in real history. When the Mongols captured Bagdad and ravaged the city, they captured the Sultan. Apparently because of their beliefs they could not shed the blood of royalty. So the wrapped him up in a carpet and beat him to death.

@mordecaiissad8529

2 ай бұрын

I always assumed the loopholes were the people making things up. Dorthraki were at each others throats all the time and would fight all the time, the rule of no blood spilled was made to assure the kalasars can be united in any way. Idk if it's said if Drogo ever killed anyone else in Vaes Dorthrak but it seemed like the start of his end. He chose Danny and ego over his people's "rules", same thing he does when he gets wounded and same thing he does when he gets his wound treated by Miri and eventually dying.

@Task-paralysis24.7

Ай бұрын

​@@quantum340 Mad respect to the Mongolian Hordes. That was some killer logic.

Jorah let viserys get himself killed. It was very clear the shift he has but I don’t think he was deliberately trying to set it up. It would be more like knowing, this dude is gonna get his ass kicked by someone eventually and it isn’t my job to stop it.

In the books Viserys is a very interesting. He did his best and played well with the cards he got. In the movie he was an ass but in the books it shows he tried his best to keep him and Dany alive, sold his moms crown. He was 8 yrs old when they ran away from dragon stone so he remembered all the glory of his Dynasty and is facing reality and fighting his way up

@Galvatronover

11 ай бұрын

Show not movie

@olmeerrner951

11 ай бұрын

he was an ass in the books as well

@Galvatronover

11 ай бұрын

@@olmeerrner951 the point he’s trying to get across is ass a kid he was less so and grew more arrogant overtime

@mrscaryfox3955

11 ай бұрын

@@olmeerrner951one dimensional outlook

@urthboundmisfit

10 ай бұрын

He was an ass in the books too and if you didn't catch that you need to read the first one again.

Viserys was a problem for everyone.

@bobfg3130

7 ай бұрын

​@desperateneedofscotch The sister wasn't a problem.

Fun side note, the golden company gilds the skulls of their deceased commanders. Makes me wonder why the company does it and what significance the beggar king's skull may have in the future.

@danielortega7657

5 ай бұрын

I know its an old comment but if I'm not mistaken it's simply because Bittersteel commanded his skull be dipped in gold and that they will carry it across the narrow sea to retake Westoros.

@shimavitz47

5 ай бұрын

@danielortega7657 for bittersteel yes, and then all the following head commanders of the GC. it's just Viserys' death involved getting his head coated in gold. I'm wondering if the tradition has a deeper significance/purpose

While viserys was gonna get himself killed eventually. Jorah and co would probably have wanted him out of the way especially the cheese monger due to having aegon ready. Though pre new information it would have been easier to control dany without her brother and while abusive he did keep her alive and it took dany til dance to understand how viserus got himself dropped but not how they basically let him die

No not really. Jorah wasn't playing a 4d chess game. His job was to keep on eye on Viserys and Daenarys under the pretence of being a guide when he was a spy for Varys.

Viserys was his own worst enemy. Jorah just speed it along because it was going to happen regardless

Such a good part of the show. It's hard to believe how awesome and good the world and events of westeros used to be prior to season 5

Given that Jorah saw Viserys as being merely the shadow of a serpent, rather than a dragon, killing him off wouldn't be so hard to do.

Khal Drogo didn’t actually spill any blood when killing Viserys so…

Jorah did not help Viserys get killed. Jorah warned him about stealing from Dany and not carrying his weapon in their sacred city, but he didn’t think the rules applied to him. He probably would've gotten away with being drunk and stupid if he didn't threaten to cut Khal Drogo's baby out of his sister.

Viserys was only ever going end up one way: DEAD. He was arrogant, entitled, selfish, obnoxious, extremely condescending, and completely devoid of any real decency as a human being. Someone was going to end up killing him sooneror later.

He didn't shed blood, he gave him a gold crown

I feel so bad for that skin disease jorah suffered from , ive got a skin condition that dries cracks and flakes in pain on and off and it drives me miserable so i know how he felt

Jorah Mormont wanted Viserys dead because he likes his sister.

@nicksmithnutmilk

Жыл бұрын

His task was to kill Dany and Viserys . He could have killed both many times but you know what happened 😂😂

@julio.C.A.

9 ай бұрын

You are wrong. The task entrusted by Varys to Jorah was to monitor and atone for the Targaryens. If Robert gave the order his task would be to kill them. But at first it was just atonement, not killing.

His death drew no blood.

Viserys is the guy who failed to read the smallprint on the contract and got reemed for it down the line.

It was obvious jorah wanted him gone. He loved dany and wanted her as queen instead of viserys as king

@AnarexicSumo

Жыл бұрын

Not this early, no. He didn’t fall in love with Danny until much later

I'll always wonder what would of happened had Viserys managed to get a army and invade the 7 Kingdoms.

@mappingshaman5280

11 ай бұрын

If he had drogo backing him? It would be a tough fight but i think robert would win. If roberts dead? Then viserys and drogo would win in the aftermath easy. As for how viserys' rule would go? I actually don't think he'd be that bad. Don't get me wrong, i don't think he'd be a good king but i do think he would be an improvement over his father.

@mallinzmina3232

11 ай бұрын

Probably would have killed too many smallfolk in Westeros…armies raised against him. He didn’t have the cooperation for alliances with lords. I think someone else would’ve taken over no matter what-Tywin, Stannis, even Drogo. Viserys wasn’t someone who tried to earn people’s respect. But Viserys with dragons…could have taken the throne. Probably murderous enough, assuming the dragons like him.

@mallinzmina3232

11 ай бұрын

@@mappingshaman5280interesting…Robert probably would’ve been all in on killing a Targaryen. Might’ve even had scorpions killing dragons

@alexmartin3143

11 ай бұрын

@@mappingshaman5280No way the combined Westerosi army could take 3 full grown dragons… Aegon and his sisters only had 3…

@mappingshaman5280

11 ай бұрын

@alexmartin3143 aegon and his sisters were facing a divided continent and their dragons were fully grown. Even during the dance (spoilers for HOTD) vermax gets shot down by the triarchy. Meraxes, an even more grown dragon than drogon, viserion, rhaegal and vermax put together, gets shot down during aegon the conquerors invasion of donee. Drogon, viserion and rhaegal are all babies. But besides that if drogo was still alive, they wouldn't have dragons since dany wouldn't have killed mirri maaz duur and walked into drogo's non existent funeral pyre. It would have been the dothraki vs a united westeros.

He could have been eaten by the dragons later on. Not every Targaryen was fit for dragons and his sister "incubated" the 3 eggs, meaning she was their "mama".

@equissage9701

8 ай бұрын

He still had a right to one of the dragons.

One of the few deaths in GoT where not a single bad consequence came of it and everyone's lives were vastly improved.

Viseris heard only what he wanted, he wasn't gonna survive, with or without help

I think he did what he may have done for multiple reasons, working for the interests of both sides because it was to his benefit to do so. In part, he was doing his duty to Robert and Varys while also honoring his loyalty to Dany. I'm not saying that what Jorah likely did was right or that I approve, but I do get it. Viserys was a liabikity to put it kindly. At best, his brashness, entitlement, and insolence would have simply lost them their best opportunity to reconquer Westeros, and at worst, he could get them all killed. One way or another, he had to go. He was too proud to listen to reason. Jorah may share some of the guilt in Viserys's murder, but at most, he simply nudged him into a potentially compromising situation in which his own good or bad behavior would determine whether or not he got killed. Had he chosen to behave differently, he probably wouldn't have been killed since Drogo probably wasn't inclined to go out of his way to murder his wife's brother and his brother-in-law unprovoked, especially when the couple were on positive terms (you know, as much a marriage involving a child bride can actually be on "positive terms," agh). At the end of the day, Viserys sealed his own fate, regardless of Jorah's complicity. Worth mentioning is that even if Jorah did misinform Viserys, it's just as possible that either Jorah himself misinterpreted the Dothraki custom and unintentionally misinformed Viserys or that Viserys simply misinterpreted what Jorah had every intention of accurately conveying to him. We just don't know, and that room for mystery and speculation is a part of what makes ASOIAF so compelling and ripe for discussion.

It's amazing the Dothraki tolerated Viserys as long as they did. Jorah may have seen it was just a matter of time until he hurt Dany and/or got himself killed anyway. Helping nudge him into accelerating his own death was a smart play.

I noticed this on a reread! Jorah knew how impulsive and cruel Viserys was and he goaded him into it

Behaving insultingly while surrounded by tons of warriors who know hundreds of creative ways to hurt you was not exactly a clever choice.

He narrated some stories and he has a really nice voice

That "molten gold" looked more like "gold slime". Gold becomes incandescent like most metals do when molten.

Viserys is the poster boy for "F around and find out"

Dany was definitely NOT okay with Viserys having the dragon eggs 😂

He was told they couldn’t draw blades and he was stupid and misinterpreted it

It was probably Jorah who told Viserys that the shedding of blood, even drawing a blade, was forbidden in Vaes Dothrak. However he was just trying to prevent Viserys getting himself killed, not to catch him in semantic traps.

On the last part Viserys just isn’t that smart.Shed blood literally means blood being spilled.There’s a bunch of ways to kill somebody without spilling blood

No matter who had been trying to teach Viserys about Dothraki customs, culture and traditions: Viserys had been ignorant of it. To him the Dothraki where less than dirt - just a means by which he wanted to achieve his mission to win back the throne. He never cared to respect anything about the Dothraki, the opposite, he would only ENDURE them for as long as it took to get what he wanted - not a blink longer.

I think it's it's more of a situation where Jorah handed Visery some rope and Visery made the noose himself.

Feel bad for Viserys. He spent his early childhood strapped to the mad kings side. Never alone with anyone, other than the king. The king thought Raeghar to be lost to him. Raeghar was nothing like a Targaryn prince should be! The king would groom Viserys in his image and ideology. Teach him their history and make him feel important! The king would even have the wet nurses' milk tasted first before he could suckle/feed, and had to be done in front of him. His mother wasn't really allowed to see him at all. Then.... His whole world/family/lifestyle disappeared in a second and he was the Beggar King 😢 with nothing but memories of what had been. And, then, again, had to literally raise his younger sister the whole time, while they were alone. He kept Dany alive. Was a twat, but still had a bond with her. All those years running and begging took a tole on the "precious" selfish boy, for him to finally see his dream about to come true, finally. Can understand his frustration and that he didn't understand dothraki customs. Khal Drogo would have fulfilled his promise... when he wanted to though. Kinda sad. He was his father's hope for the future over the weak willed Rhaegar. Might have killed Rhaegar to ensure a loyal puppet that he alone groomed as his successor.

I love how GRRM does this, he'll keep the reader's perspective away from the critical information, but he'll give you just enough clues to sort of understand the secret behind what just happened. Like with Jeffrey's assassination too. Its just a shame that he'll never be able to finish.

Viserys got himself killed. Everyone close to him knew he would not be the king he claimed. Jorah advised him many times for Viserys ignored it. Seemed Jorah came to the point where he knew to get behind Dani, the true dragon, instead of Viserys.

@equissage9701

8 ай бұрын

Who then ignored him (and everyone else) as well.

I mean, idk if he was ever told “they can’t kill you there” probably just “they can’t shed blood there”. Which the Mongols actually had a similar rule. They got around it usually by wrapping you up in a rug then kicking you to death.

i think its funny now in hindside that when he gets the gold poured over him he gets his right facial half covered by gold like his namesake viserys the first.

Regardless of if he had been contracted to kill them yet or not by that point (some lore master please clarify if you please,) Jorah was no fool. He quickly realised Visyerys was a dangerous narccisist and figured it would be easier to "deal with" Daenerys (whether that meant killing her or manipulating her) on her own. To this end, yeah Jorah probably did a few things to tip the scales (heh) in favour of having the Dothraki take care of half his problem for him

@equissage9701

8 ай бұрын

There are 7 types of Narcissists. Viserys was the Overt type. Daenerys was a Covert. They are the worst.

Visarys killed himself with his BIG MOUTH, Narcissism, and arrogance. His death was inevitable no assistance needed.

Very accurate information shedding blood is from a blade but you can use a rock or a rope or molten gold , Visarys is just very immature an unlearned so he misunderstood Jorah when he said they cant shed blood

I wonder if they think not spilling blood will slow the grass.

To be honest, everyone in that tent wanted Viserys gone. Kal Drogo just needed the tiniest of excuses to break this pact.

Viserys was willfully ignorant and contemptuous of dothraki culture. He was told repeatedly that him giving Daenerys to Khal Drogo as a wife was considered by the dothraki as gift giving. Khal Drogo would give a gift of 10,000 in return, but it shouldn't be rushed. Viserys stubbornly refused to believe that and repeatedly demanded that he get his army. He asked when they would give him his army. jorah told him that it would happen when their omens favored war. Viserys responded by saying "i piss on dothraki omens". It is entirely possible that viserys willfully misinterpreted the banning of spilling blood in vaes dothraek. He interpreted that the dothraki weren't permitted to kill there. After all, the guards who would strangle thieves were a group of slaves not themselves dothraki.

It’s not that you can’t kill in Vaes Dothrak- it’s that you can’t bare your steel (unsheathe your sword) at someone else in anger or threat of violence. Viserys pointed a sword at Jorah and Daenerys in a fit of rage. In response, he was killed (without a sword)

Hard to say who deserves credit, I wasn't there. But I drink to them for their ingenuity.

Jorah stopped Viserys from taking the eggs because he didn't know Danny would be okay with it. Jorah explained to Danny that Viserys was trying to steal a single egg, and that's when she told Jorah that he could have all of the eggs. What do they matter to all of the knowledge that her brother provided of her family lineage. Danny told Jorah she wouldn't have known a single thing about the Targaryens if it wasn't for him.

@equissage9701

8 ай бұрын

She should have given him one egg, a horse, water and her best wishes and sent him on his way, for his own safety. Whether he stayed in Pentos or went somewhere else, she owed him that much for keeping her safe.

I always wondered why Prince Viserys didn't realize there are lots of ways to die Vaes Dothrak without drawing blood

They gave him a golden crown. Therefore, no blood spilt

Actually he knew well the rules. He knew he couldnt have a sword, and even so he keep one. He just didnt care, he thought Dohtrakis would give him special treatment by being Targeryan

I mean.... He's not a bad guy for that. Didnt help that Viserys also threatened Dragos child.

If Jorah did manipulate Viserys into getting himself killed, he did everyone a favor lol

Jorah didn't know that Viserys could have the eggs until AFTER he told him to put them back.

_"Jorah for some reason..."_ put a smile on my face.

To be fair to Viserys, Jorah, and Drogo, If Jorah told Viserys about not being allowed to spill blood in Vaes Dothrak that wouldn't be a lie and this made Viserys have confidence that Drogo wouldn't kill him, but all that really meant was that Drogo had to find a bloodless way to kill him which is why, other then just being thematically relevant for Viserys' character, he crowns him with the molten gold

This theory certainly holds water; Viserys was more of a liability at that point. Insane, arrogant, rageful, unwilling to learn, ignored even the most basic of counsel. If he couldn't be reigned in while in exile, think how much of a terrible King he would have been on the Iron Throne.

It was the same rule with Kings and Emporers in our world. That you can't shed the blood of a king... so they would strangle them.

A crown for a king. I wonder what happened to him after the helmet was given to him. Did they string him up at the city walls? Or did they peel the gold back off him and re melt it while putting him in a manure pile to make the fields better?

He wasn't really given wrong information about not spilling blood. He just didn't take it literally enough and realize that there are lots of ways to kill someone without "spilling blood".

I always disliked Jorah, throughout the entirety of the series. Made me so angry that they gave him a “happy ending” to his character and allowed him to be “redeemed” while character’s like Jaime, Danny, Aria, etc. etc. etc. got ruined. Happy for the 8 Jorah fans out there somewhere in the world, D&D catered to you🙃

@j.c.jeggis1818

9 ай бұрын

lol @ you thinking there are more seething Jorah haters than Jorah enjoyers in the world

You know, if you can't be killed in the sacred city, ain't nobody stopping them from dragging you outside and gutting you at its doorsteps, right? Don't insult them.

Drogo had to kill him at some point anyways because allowing the continuos disrespect at Dany would make Drogo look weak and he could not allow that, the dothraky despise weaknes

Jorah took one look at that lunatic and saw another Mad King.

I doubt Viserys cared enough about Dothraki culture to educate himself properly. He saw them like a bunch of animals he could unleash on King's Landing and nothing more.

Jorah just sped up the inevitable. Viserys wasn't meant to live long amd jorah just got him there quicker.

Reminds me of the line from the SImpsons: "He took power in a bloodless coup: all smotherings."

He was a victim of the old "Blood can't be shed" misunderstanding.

Jorah was an immense character played by an immense actor

I thought they couldn't spill blood in the specific tent they were in. Like some some of sacred cloister.

Viserys' actor knocked it out of the fucking park with such a tight budget.

Imagine what would happened if viserys took the eggs 💀..

What’s the song you play at the begging of these vods, it’s awesome!

Jorah saw which way the winds were blowing and decided he needed to get on the danerys train

Well, they were right about blood not being spilled in Vaes Dothrak. Bleeding would’ve been a lot better for viserys than what he got.

Jorah only changed his mind about killing the Targaryens after Dany reborn from the fire and ashes at the end of the first book, before that he was conflicted about her sure, but hey it was his job to kill them So yeah, making Viserys death a misunderstood tragedy was kinda perfect, no risk at all and jobs done

I am pretty sure Viserys knew that weapons were not allowed inside the temple

My fav KZreadr

It makes sense Jorah was there to betray them both but he fell in love with Daenerys (which gross but whatever) no one even seemed to like Viserys. So he probably didn’t actively try to he was just letting him experience the consequences of his own actions. Easier to stay on her side if it looks like he’s just a bystander

To be entirely fair to Jorah I’m sure he’d have gotten himself killed without anyone’s help by no more than a month or two after that.

I mean, they didn’t really shed blood, they just poured molten gold on his head.

I don't seem to remember jorah saying that killing is forbidden and upon entering Vaes Dothrak, Viserys would have seen this rule in effect without jorah saying a word as he saw everyone including (and probably especially dothraki which was explicitly described in the 1st book)..... seems to me that it could just as easily been Viserys assumption that the no metal cutty-stabby rule meant no killing at all rather than just a way to prevent full scale battles between khalasars in their holy land. Unless i missed something, Jorah didn't lie. He just didn't correct viserys misunderstanding