I hope you enjoyed the video. Check out others on the playlist: kzread.info/head/PLKtxx9TnH76QEYXdJx6KyycNGHePJQwWW

@nahometesfay1112

2 жыл бұрын

You do know that you have 135,000 subscribers correct? The plaque is on its way!

@jysm3302

2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much. you honor the history of semiconductors so very much.

@gazz01

2 жыл бұрын

I think on whole KZread only you can do such a great analysis Can you make a video on - Automotive industries of America, EU, Japan, South Korea chaebols etc. Shipping industries of Denmark, China and Japan.

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

@@nahometesfay1112 The vid might have spent a few months in a stash.

@eone199

2 жыл бұрын

for everyone here please don't compare china vs japan when selling tech-related products...china is expert at selling fake products while japan sells really good quality stuff

I've been watching your channel for a while now but I'm only just now getting around to asking, "Who are you and how the heck are you so crazy knowledgeable on this topic?" The quality of information, history, and insight that you provide in your videos is simply astounding.

@michaelschneider-

17 күн бұрын

+1. Ditto that! .. A Big Ole Danke Schon from Vail, Colorado

"No wonder this part failed, it says [Made in Japan]" "What are you talking about Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan." -Back to the Future 3.

@alexlo7708

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoName-of8dq They are different. China has no intention in this field of IC machine technology. So they are fond of buying them and making chips. But US puzzled policy force them to build their own machine. So they has started.

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexlo7708 you may be wrong, China is interested in every fields of Human industries, what Japan can do, China will catch up and do so, what Japan can't do, China will also be able to do,

@metagde6402

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoName-of8dq yep ppl are doing same made in china jokes If it doesnt fail its US quality like Apple If the apple product fails its due to made in china lol

@alexlo7708

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen If you stress on human effort of Chinese people ,it is yes. They can do whatever Japan do and perhaps at higher level had they devoted doing. But In view off business, they as people who doing business in bloodline will focus onto any mean that make them great profit in less time effort. Good businessmen don't focus on doing everything themself but make it best efficiency way by distributed to anyone who do its best in his fields.

@klaasbernd

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexlo7708 That is not true. China invests 10billion a year to develop their own lithography technology. They have a 20year plan to move up the supply chain from builing electronics, building IC's and then developing the tools necessary for them. They were not able to copy the NXT machines, but they do alreay have XTish types of machines. Although it's hard to determine the internal workings. In any case china started lithography investigation years ago already.

I worked at GCA from 1978 to 1982, so this was a trip down memory lane! I think the entire time I worked at GCA they were working on the next big thing, but could never come up with it. I think part of the problem was that the target goal was always moving and they were not innovative enough to look far enough into the future.

@VictorMollo

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, do you have their logo anywhere? He was looking for it for his video :-)

@km-bo3zx

2 жыл бұрын

@@VictorMollo No, I don't have anything left from those days. I did a quick Google check, but did't find it. I remember that it was 2 balls (the G and C) and a triangle (the A). It was kind of a joke back then. I found a picture of a manual, on eBay, that shows the logo, but KZread won't let me post the link to it.

@alexlo7708

2 жыл бұрын

The EUV light source were created by DOE fund. How can small private company alone cope with that.

@km-bo3zx

2 жыл бұрын

I (temporarily) made the logo my KZread profile picture. :-)

@TheTyTyXD

2 жыл бұрын

@@km-bo3zx MVP

As someone who works in the semiconductor industry in Japan, that was a very interesting coverage of its history :D Thank you so much !

@ffls775

2 жыл бұрын

Japan still makes semiconductors now? Or it's semiconductor components?

@KonradTheWizzard

2 жыл бұрын

@@ffls775 Japan is still one of the biggest manufacturers of chips, electronic devices and semiconductor equipment. It is also one of the more active regions in setting and writing industry standards. Outside the industry you don't hear much about it because only few people can afford to pay millions for a machine (let alone the billions for the factory it belongs into) and very few people have a look into their more expensive electronics just to read the labels on the chips. Japan's electronics industry is alive and well. ...but for how long? ...cue ominous music played on a Yamaha keyboard...

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

@@ffls775 There's a large semiconductor industry, yes, automotive, industrial, power semiconductors, sensor devices, specialised stuff. But maybe a little too focused on legacy products and a little aging if my impression is correct? A lot of these are long running products though that don't change all that much decade by decade, new engineering insight has been drying up because the product is well polished, and the well-worn processes are better than fresh ones for a number of things. Legacy customers too, the likes of Toyota and Aisin don't necessarily like change. But just go ahead look through product catalogue of Toshiba semiconductor, Rohm and Renesas, these should be the largest ones. A number of smaller companies are now in Taiwanese hand but should still be manufacturing in Japan i guess.

@alimali2120

2 жыл бұрын

@@KonradTheWizzard Yes , the biggest to copy for everything since more than 100 years :)

@TBGB-LM

2 жыл бұрын

@@alimali2120 what?

This channel ia so high-quality

@covert0overt_810

2 жыл бұрын

beyond. AAA+ quality

@iamLODD

2 жыл бұрын

Unbelievable

@chinmayprakash7726

2 жыл бұрын

True.

@yiminyu7131

2 жыл бұрын

He should open a podcast

I think I told this story here before, but it bears repeating. In the early 80's windowed UV erasable proms were a thing. It was the time of Japan bashing, and accusals of their "dumping" on the market. We used a lot of EPROMs from different sources, and Toshiba was up and coming. We used mainly Intel EPROMs at the time. The state of the art back then was 4kb moving to 8kb (I know, quaint). Because of the window in the top of the EPROM you could see the chip. Most of us used this feature, when we had a bad EPROM, to get a little light show by plugging in the EPROM upside down and sealing the fate of the chip. Anyways, Intel and Toshiba were in a price war, so the chips from each vendor were about equivalent in price. But side by side in the UV eraser tray what you saw was shocking. The Toshiba chips were about 1/4 the size of the Intel chips. Yes, those "inferior" Japanese were kicking our a**es. Intel struggled along for a while, and exited the market for EPROMs. The "anti-dumping" thing had exactly one result. We could go to Japan, to the akihabara market (from street vendors!) and get chips with twice or four times the capacity of USA chips for cheap and bring them back in our luggage.

@0utc4st1985

2 жыл бұрын

Japanese success certainly did result from better products, but we shouldn't pretend that mercantalism didn't play a role in their success either. Japanese products were priced much more expensively in Japan than they were in America, thanks to price fixing oligarchies and government export support. This along with low interest rates from Keiretsu banking system (also illegal for American companies) permitted them to artificially lower the prices beyond what American competitors were able to do. So, there is very much a lot of truth in dumping accusations, in the early 90s there was an issue with them selling LCD monitor screens below their production costs to put American competitors out of business.

@skylarkesselring6075

2 жыл бұрын

@@0utc4st1985 they worked within the confines of their law and certainly within the confines of capitalism. They did what they could to turn a profit and dominate a market, exactly what every single company wants. But of course America will sit on their laurels and then use some bullshit excuse like dumping to avoid responsibility

@michaelhicks8603

Жыл бұрын

I was still programming some of those as late as 2008 at honeywell

21:05 “ i’d like to reach 100,000 subscribers someday“. Uh, congratulations 🥳 you’ve got 135k subscribers already. Thank you for yet another awesome video!

This was incredibly in-depth and so well done! Great job!

Serving in USNavy in Japan during early 80s recall visiting Akihabara aka Electric Town many times and was always amazed at new products that just seemed to appear at the market. Consumer products (not covered in this video) were available in so many types and sizes that it was always fun to check out something new. Nothing like finding Yamaha components as well as other very high end products covering the shelves.

@Yutaro-Yoshii

2 жыл бұрын

Akihabara has changed. There are still some good electronics shops left, but now most places are targeted for anime weebs. Not to say that I don't like Akihabara today, but I wish I could go back in time to visit there when it was the bleeding edge of technology.

@yogi4319

2 жыл бұрын

I've been visiting Japan regularly since early 90's and when I do, I always visited Akihabara. It was a wonderland where I could see the latest and coolest in consumer electronics. I even bought some AC-powered electronics together with step up transformers. Around the time when digital MP3 became popular, however, I noticed that the best products are no longer Japanese. The appeal of Akihabara slowly disappeared and I no longer go there anymore.

@WellBattle6

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yutaro-Yoshii These days if you want to visit large fresh of the line electronic stores you have to head to Shenzhen.

@Yutaro-Yoshii

2 жыл бұрын

@@WellBattle6 Yeah right, but I'm not that committed to electronics. Maybe one day.

@phillipmarnik

2 жыл бұрын

Back then as a teen I saw Japan as an electronics heaven I had to visit. Sadly I never got the chance.

Very nice video! The lithography business of Perkin-Elmer was sold off to SVG (Silicon Valley Group) which was later bought by ASML who continued to support the Micralign systems for a number of years.

@dabdoube92

2 жыл бұрын

How do you know this ?

@TA-mx3zm

2 жыл бұрын

@@dabdoube92 Its on wikipedia: In 1990, Perkin-Elmer sold the division to Silicon Valley Group, which is today part of ASML Holding.

@paulds65

2 жыл бұрын

Because I work at ASML

@Flyingmachines350

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! That is Christianity!

@40mes

2 жыл бұрын

Long ago we named a cat of ours Perkin-Elmer; may she rest in peace!

Nebashi's method makes sense as the alcohol helps people open up and be more direct with their feelings in a culturally acceptable manner.

@Mr.Scootini

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s sorta okay to a certain amount here too

@rodrozil6544

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Scootini Americans don't drink that much

@Mr.Scootini

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodrozil6544 depends on what part of the US I guess then

It's rare that historical content surprises me with new revelations. Fantastic content!

As a former EE, I loved this one. Awesome work, man

@rodrozil6544

2 жыл бұрын

Former electronic engineer LoL?

@0xdeadbabe240

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodrozil6544 i mean in some countries if you mess up on your job, you will be decertified.

@mahdiyussuf9804

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodrozil6544 yah electrical engineer with

@rodrozil6544

2 жыл бұрын

@@mahdiyussuf9804 what happened?

This is very interesting. The problem is that US tech industry made the same mistakes in other industries in china. The same way they helped the Chinese tech market to develop.

really appreciate your efforts man.

I appreciate how difficult it must be to find and research all of these esoteric lithography essays from so long ago. There’s so little information on the web about this stuff because it predates the internet by decades. The people who worked with this stuff are either very old or dead & technical information about these machines is relegated to dusty manuals or abandoned websites. Not a whole lot of easily accessible first hand accounts of any of this technology. Love it Jon, keep it up

Awesome video.

Great series. Gave me background that I needed currently to know more about AMSL.

The details are presented expertly compared to other presenters who tend to make themselves the subject. The difference is much appreciated

These are brilliant insights and great story telling

I can't wait for a detailed part 2.

Thanks for your deep insightful analysis. appreciated.

Quite a cliffhanger.... Though I know the recent ASML history, I'm not aware on how it came about. Please keep up the great work. Not sure what you mean about reaching 100k subscribers someday for a plaque - by current count you have much more than that....

You already reached 100k???? Anyways, good video, well researched. Thank you.

@IotaEtaSigma

2 жыл бұрын

That part of the video is his normal trailer. He just needs to update it with the next goal. 😉

Another excellent video!

Thanks, great easy to understand timeline with many important milestones

I work at the small up and comer mentioned at the end. Your channel is very popular in my team.

Thank you for sharing your knowledges

Teamwork! Simple to say but simply hard to achieve

Please keep posting very high quality topics like this, this channel a wholesome 👍👍👍 (Edit : you earned my sub 👌)

Great show

Thank you sir, I like watching your videos during lunch

Very good story. Another example of designing, yes, but also nailing production hell.

When was this originally posted? You already have 135k subs (including me :) I’m also a newsletter subscriber and sometimes I receive the emails with a link for an older video, which I’ve watched already. Keep up the good work!

Very valuable insight. Thank you. Will do this for the US Auto Industry.

Thank you for this excellent video that reflected the true history and facts without bias. I knew those are facts because I was a witness of this history.

Nice video,thank you for sharrng it :)

At mark 3:24 you showed the logo for GCA on a sign outside their facility in an old photograph. It is a combination of the letters G and C. And maybe a small “a” too.

Awesome video. Semiconductor industry is so full of attention catching stories.

Animation at 3:20 technically shows a scanner, not a stepper. When the shutter is open on a stepper, there is no stage motion. Minor quibble though; I love this channel.

Thanks for making sense the semiconductor industry

Great, how much reading hours did you spend to produce this video, as an example? Thanks.

05:44 I live near kyoto and just went there last month. I can say that Kyoto Station has really changed A LOT! Can't even compare to the picture. Okayama Station on the other hand has stayed the same almost recognizable since the 80s it was built...

@ryue65

2 жыл бұрын

I lived at the corner of Shichi-jo / Kawaramachi , about 7 mins walk from the station in 1991-1992. The station looked just like the photo. The Shinkaisoku which is advertised on the screen was very convenient as my office was in Shin-Osaka, and my customer was in Yasu, Shiga. The station has utterly changed in the last 30 years. The section of Kyoto ‘below’ the station was very interesting, very 下町.

Man you do a lot of research..👍🙏

Do a video about NEC Electronics. I find it crazy that they were on top of the world and almost dont exist anymore.

Outstanding ！

I guess you don't keep track of your subscriber count! You're already 35K beyond where you'd like to get to some day... :D P.S. congrats on the achievement. Hope you like the plaque!

Great piece of history of semiconductors . .

if you want to enter our market, you need to form a joint venture with a local partner so we can "catch up" with your technology. Does this sound familiar to anybody ?

I'd imagine those old projection aligners still have utility in the production of discrete transistors and power devices.

How about doing a video on photmask substrates. It has one dominant player, Hoya.

masato is my new hero. All I did was drink with them, that was my job! And we dominated the damn market!

No bull, straight to the point. I love this channel over wendover productions any day

These kid of videos about semiconductors are awesome!... Looking forward to your videos about other American semiconductors players like KLA and LAM research..cheers

@charlesseymour1482

Жыл бұрын

Me too.

I worked for a number of companies doing this work during this time period. All the money needed to get the job done was given to top management instead. Nothing was accomplished.

@STScott-qo4pw

2 жыл бұрын

what were those companies?

always when you say you wish to reach 100k and I get remembered you have 154k, I get a bit happy

That's fairly interesting.

Love these videos. The immense and expensive competition at the very edge of precision manufacturing. God knows which company will prevail in the next 20 years. But it would seem it gets harder and harder to make new breakthroughs therefore the dominance of certain companies can last longer than it did before. The lowest fruit has been taken it seems.

@hfs9502

2 жыл бұрын

True, but risk capital is also becoming more available: look at Tesla.

@basengelblik5199

2 жыл бұрын

ASML

@thisiskevin1000

2 жыл бұрын

Now the emerging replacements such as silicon carbide, gallium nitride, carbon, graphene and photonic semiconductors has to be watched

@chronokoks

2 жыл бұрын

@@basengelblik5199 haha a wild dutchman appearead... ASML? you wish :D

"Drunken therapist". That really cracked me up.

Thank you.

Probably a very good video. But please add to your title "semiconductor production" for not frustrating all people interested in lithography (see wikipedia).

A major point in this is the physics and engineering. Carver Meade, the most prolific American transistor designer and manufacturer, said he never once used Standard Quantum Mechanics, due to the waves, a cornerstone of that physics, never once being used by him to guide the development or design of anything, ever; certainly not transistors. It was all done by trial and error engineering. That is shown by why it is taking so long to get fusion and qbits to reach even the first stage of development, proof of principle. The reason behind this is due to assuming that waves is how energy is transported at the quantum scale. That first occurred in the 1670's when Huygens, by first observing waves on water and in stringed instruments, attributed that to the scale of light. But in the mid to late 1900's, waves of all kinds at the macro scale, were analyzed and found to be artifacts caused, in the case of waves on water, by rotating columns under the surface and so on in all other observed waves like strings, whose ends contain that all important energy making all waves to be artifacts. Or Huygens, Young, etc. made a lucky guess and waves only happen to work at the quantum scale. That SQM was not and could not help get transistors, fusion nor qbits developed, indicates that using waves at the QM scale was not a lucky guess. Using what is known to be an artifact, at one scale is why, when used at another scale, leads to problems; like explaining how in the 2 slit experiment, waves know when exactly to break apart before even reaching the slits and then knowing to join together at the right distance, on the other side, to interfere with itself to produce the far field pattern. That has to be explained by adding another mechanism, uncertainty, then entanglement, then other worlds, and on and on.

Your plaque should be in the mail, it shows 135K subscribers have signed up.

Brilliant move by Japan’s government. I do not see how the same could occur in the US given free market focus and monopoly = bad.

@davidt02

2 жыл бұрын

It's also interesting how the Chinese were mirroring all the Japanese strategies 30 years later including joint ventures to catch up in terms of technology. Like the Japanese, the Chinese are now realizing that they have to create a national strategy to establish a indigenous semi-conductor industry after being shut out by the Americans.

@jaymacpherson8167

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidt02 Excellent point. I hope US politicians are paying attention, lest we have our posteriors handed to us in future.

@lzh4950

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidt02 Singapore didn't require foreign investors to enter into JVs unlike Japan & mainland China, perhaps to increase its attractiveness to foreign investment. Long-term though I guess we may need to focus more than we prev thought on developing indingenous expertise if we want to maintain our position on or move up the value chain, since I believe the foreign investors are still going to retain the highest elements of their value chain e.g. R&D in their home countries, while eventually other developing countries could catch up & our factories e.g. fabs might end up being offshored there isntead. Maybe we'll be able to discover a new market for a new architecture/product line/type to be invented

How old is this video?

@johnl.7754

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he already has 135k subscribers

@n00b1n8R

2 жыл бұрын

I think he has the videos ready a few weeks in advance and the channel's really blown up in the last few months

How about a video about MITUTOYO ??

5:11 this stair are in "your name" right,?

and how Lighthizer won again by threatening Japan on security.

@abdiganiaden

2 жыл бұрын

You have to be Chinese. so sour every time Japan and US is mentioned lol

@Joshua_N-A

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdiganiaden must be a mainlander. ROC users wouldn't say such thing.

Please turn up your voice over volume a bit, thanks!

3:09 why would the reticle move?

"Throughout the 1960s, the Japanese government promoted a policy of semiconductor technology transfer. If a foreign company wanted to enter the then-lucrative Japanese market, they needed to first establish a joint venture with a local player" Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, now where have I heard that before?

@XLTBlarg

Жыл бұрын

Poland?

Isn't ASML the market leader and by far nowadays?

Please do a video analysis on how Sony became the leader of photography sensor chips manufacturing

Why did Sematech go away? Where is the history video on Sematech?

今はオランダのASMLが日本のリソグラフィを超えている。 テストテクノロジーについても解説お願いします。 such as advantest or agilent or etc…

What is the map at the beginning of the videos and why does EVERY video have a drawing of a deer looking knowingly (head-on with small horns and head tilted slightly to the left...from the deer's point of view) at the reader/listener/viewer?

NIKON's DUVL can go as low as 5nm with multipatterning.

I feel, im with my kinda ppl when i see this vid. But im curious to know the opinion of ppl with degree n phd in vlsi and fab technology that whether a degree is a mandatory thing to comunicate in these topics. Would they speak to someone who is a dropout but an innovator at heart. Jus curious...

low audio?

I worked at GCA's captive optical subsidiary, making both stepper lenses and illuminators. After GCA's and GS's demise, I had the pleasure of making optical components and fab and test equipment for the remaining Japanese and European lithography equipment manufacturers. It was an exciting high-stakes business.

Los Altos Hills is not really near "Silicon Valley" as in tradition corporate headquarters. For exampe the historically old Semiconductor Drive colser to the Airport.

Fascinating story about cooperation without cartels.

I wonder what's next after EUV lithography? Will it be X-ray litho, gamma ray litho or move to different materials like Graphene, SiC, GaN

@techmage89

2 жыл бұрын

I keep expecting some kind of innovation that makes e-beam lithography scale better.

@0xdeadbabe240

2 жыл бұрын

the end of moore's law is just around the corner.

This is yet another video that will be useful sometime in the future at some dinner or bar, leaving people asking "How the hell do you know that?" 🤣

5:09 Kimi no nawa popular scene

This showcases in a general sense what I've thought was the cause of the decline of American manufacturing, , a lack of vision from the private and governmental sectors. Too much focusing on the bottom line.

Contrary to popular believe you can make sub 10nm node without EUV. Chinese foundry SMIC 7 nm volume production is relying on older generation DUV litho

FYI, just noticed I was unsubscribed from your channel by YT, now fixed :)

I dont know what lithography is but this video was good

The audio level on your videos is very low.

top!

Asianometry: i would like to reach 100k subs one day Me, seeing the 135k subs: what?

21:06👍 221K subscribers 👀

I appreciate the deerdication that goes into these videeros.

@mikec1651

2 жыл бұрын

Pedant and I thought for a minute that " deer " was a slip of the keyboard and then it sank in. m pretty good

It's not a battle. We all benefit from the advancements and we all suffer from the corruption, greed, etc.

It would be great if you could add Japanese subtitles. ......! m(_ _)m

I absolutely LOVE how he keeps calling them the avengers 😂😂

with the US holding a serious stake in EUV tech, did they really lose?

The sun ("system") keeps moving from the West to the East, over the Pacific Ocean... then again, moving over Asia, as well.