You just proved what I have found years ago.. great job... it's only 75 here in western Kentucky but bad humid

No fun when it's hot like that! Here in Las Vegas I feel your pain, pretty much all summer long! Don't have the humidity you do. All of my shooting starts at 5am in the morning. Typically it will be 100 degrees at 12am in the middle of the summer. Not much relief even after the sun goes down! Thanks for sharing!

The heat's up into Bangor, Maine too. Mid 90s for a few days at least. Should be 70s, same as you CD. Looking forward to you getting on some p-dogs soon.

My pet load for .243 was a 100 gr. flat based Sierra Pro Hunter over a stiff charge of IMR 4350. Bullet seated 0.010" off the lands.

Great videos man thanks again

Interesting. The only times I tried this was with 2 old ww2 mausers, and the the throats are so deep, you'll never get close to the lands. Can't wait to see it perform in the field.

I've got the same deal going with the loads for my son's 308. With the right load, it's 1/3 MOA...but half a grain either way, it opens up to a full MOA or bigger. I hate loads like that, but when you've got something that'll stay under an inch at 300, you just run with it!

Triggertech Diamond on my Remington 700. Love it. Not cheap but as they say...buy once, cry once.

You are getting close!

Great vid, Just proves that Higgins the land is not always best

Just about to go to bed. Bugger, CD posted. Greetings from Oz CD, stay well.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to keep you up at night. Glad to have you along.

That rail on the foreaarm may be causing you grief. Target dots, I use them for POA and prefer not to hit them and remove the center. I can always adjust for my final POI. Aim small miss small.

I just did 10 steps of 0.003” for seating depth tests on two different bullets for my new 22-250 barrel. The nodes become evident and at those larger jump you can skip several nodes.

@gregerblennerud6094

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree to that! My testing with 0.003" steps (as suggested by several F-class shooters) show nodes being roughly 2.5-3 times that in lenght (0.009"). So with large steps like 0.015", results will be stochastic at best...

@MrCampbellZA

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say this, more likely than not he’s missing nodes.

After watch your .243 videos, I decided to use one of my spare Remington actions to build up a .243. The 243 brass is more available than the other 6mm's, and I already have 243 dies from Forster.

Very nice .243 M40 marine sniper style stock OD brown hearing protector Stainless barrel. Quick comment I have the same front rest the front lock knob and mechanism allows movement and groups shot variances my solution inexpensive new or used front rest with the adjustable metal feet for elevation took 1/4 inch sheet steal made a catchers plate triangle after drilling to match the feet holes and painting black put feet on catchers plate and bolted rest to catchers plate. No movement on a range shooting bench. Use the other for plinking or field carry and use. Here is a load my NEF 243 out 3 in a fingernail at 150yds with. 33.8grains Alliant Reloader 15 80grain match Boat tail hollow point Speer TNT or Hornady Amax my preference 2.68" OAL CCI 200 Large rifle primer Remington or Federal Brass. Hodgdon and Alliant powders use ethyl centralite coatings that keep the barrel much cooler and less standard deviation in velocity from hot to cold than other powders like IMR that just use Nitrocellulose grains with higher nitroglycerine content heat barrels fast more variation in velocity. The Jewell HVRTSBR Remington 700 Trigger is in my opinion the best but costly. Have a Rifle basix on my Howa .308 nice for the price.

Would have liked to see another group shot of the 3/8 inch stuff

Greetings from Australia MrCd , a decent trigger in a M700 makes a huge improvement to them I can’t workout why they use crap triggers in the beginning it’s all about $$$ I guess Steve.

It's hot on TX one hour south of Houston...but heck. I.am use to it growing up here

It isn't just bullet jump when one changes the seating of the bullet and not the powder charge. You change another thing, Case capacity changes you have more with the bullet seated less and less with the bullet seated more. The accuracy can have more to do with one than the other. Often the bullet jump is over- rated or misunderstood. That is why you can have a bullet with a lot of jump shoot as good as or sometimes better than a bullet close to the lands. Think about it. There are no givens in reloading. Nothing is 100% when it gets to variables.

@TheJurgisRud

2 жыл бұрын

I've been reloading pistol rounds for years and just started loading for my 308. I measured 2 types of factory ammo that I know my rifle likes with a Hornady comparator. I found a 50/1000" difference in seating depth between the two. This is when I learned what you've said here.

@winstonskafte5505

4 ай бұрын

You know I have never really thought about that .

Good job...

Hello sir. Love your videos! Do you do full length sizing or just neck sizing? Thanks!

@cavedweller1959

2 жыл бұрын

On high volume shooting varmint rigs, I neck size, but every 4th reload cycle, I set the shoulder back and anneal then wet tumble with pins.

Re-visited your channel today and like what you are doing. Could you make a video on what you are using to cool your bbl between groups. It looks like something we all could benefit from.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Been there, done that. Thanks for coming back around. kzread.info/dash/bejne/o36OysOsoMzHiZM.html

Harmonics are a wacky little thing to play with. Everything matters. Jump, charge, muzzle device, case capacity. It's fun trying to figure it out

Is that a public range?

It’s only as important as you want your gun to shoot lol. 👍🏻👍🏻 maybe get a caliper and comparator though. Find lowest sd charge weight. Then start .015 from lands seating. And go back in .003 increments till tightest. Done. Awesome video

@Mark6299

11 ай бұрын

Absolutly correct. He changed way too much. .010 to .015 is way too bit of a step. .002 to .003 is much better.

What was your load with H380 for the 87gr vmax?

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

38grs. with CCI mag primers. When things once again become available, I may go back to H380.

Pickstown Range ?

Have you ever tried loading them into the lands a bit? Not hard jam but just into the lands?

@cavedweller1959

8 ай бұрын

I have, not on all my rigs, but some. I would guess, if you could measure the point of contact exactly, then seat the bullet longer & longer, say .005" at a time, you will find a sweet spot. Doing the same, seating shorter & shorter, you find your sweet spot, as I and millions of other hand loaders do. Let the arguments begin. Having that little bit of jump is one of the small things to help stay out of a high PSI situation. Myself, I may be shooting vermin in 40-50deg. temps or 90-100deg. temps. Huge difference. More and more powders are out that are supposedly insensitive to temp changes, but still most are not. I have a .223 Rem case that has a primer pocket large enough to fit 2 primers in, due to high PSI on a really hot day. That was over 20 years ago. That may be a middle of winter video when I have not much going on. The bottom line is, use what works for you. Thanks for coming along.

I got those 87 grain vmax to shoot good at 7 thou off lands, they did not like 20 thou off

would like to know where you got the fan

@cavedweller1959

Жыл бұрын

About $40 if I remember right. www.chamberchiller.com/

ok, I'm thinking about reloading due to ammo shortages but I'm starting to think I won't beat factory loads? I bought 20, sighted it in @100 yards, putting 4 on bull all touching. I then shot @300, and then @500, where I shot a 6 round 5" inch group. Have I been lucky or can I improve it with reloads?!

@cavedweller1959

2 жыл бұрын

That's very good accuracy for a factory rifle/ammo combo. If it's a 1 box a year hunting rig, why bother?? If you plan one shooting 250, 500, or a 1000 rounds a year, what can you afford?

@littledaddynesbit4193

2 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 ... thanks, that's a good way to look at it! I'll probably shoot 500 a year, even though it was expensive, I can afford that so maybe hold of the reloading?! It does look like good fun though, I love trying and testing stuff!

G'day cavedweller nice shooting champion I just had a bix'n andy Dakota trigger installed on my new custom 7mm rem mag build and I gotta say is was worth every cent it might be of interest to you anyway best of luck

Always amazes me how such a little change in bullet jump makes such a big difference. Very nice... Looks like you found the sweet spot. Does weather temperature affect it at all? I was in Montana for a few years then Kansas and then Georgia. Everything changed in Georgia on 8 of of 9 rifles. Was wondering if I needed to test different lengths off the lans again? The rifle that didn't change was factory ammo the others reloads and factory.

@Mark6299

11 ай бұрын

That difference is rather huge. .002 difference would be more appropriate. He could have completely jumped over a node and didnt even know it.

@jackvaniciaadams4089

11 ай бұрын

@@Mark6299 it's possible.

How did you make your barrel blower

@cavedweller1959

7 ай бұрын

Google -- Chamber Chiller. About 40 bucks.

Where do you buy those Chamber Chillers at? Thanks

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Right off the web site. www.chamberchiller.com/

@swamper2fly

3 жыл бұрын

Great device

Did u increase powder charge as well

@cavedweller1959

Жыл бұрын

Negative, over all length only.

You need an overhead cover on hot days..not sure how you’re set up there though

@keithlucas6260

3 жыл бұрын

Thinking a canopy myself from Academy Sports or similar.....our club even has fans going on the overhead enclosures.

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT COOLING FAN

@cavedweller1959

Жыл бұрын

Chamber Chillers website, about $40.

Where did you get that machine to cool your barrel. I'd bet you made it.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

www.chamberchiller.com/

@TexasTrained

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 thank you

So an novice reloading question for anyone willing to answer. He mentioned he thought his scope was sighted better and had to make several adjustments. I can understand why changing powder might make a shot drift higher or lower but if his sight was good, would changing powder cause a shot to move left or right?

@rkba4923

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, quite likely.

@luvtahandload7692

3 жыл бұрын

The direction isn't predictable. POI can go anywhere with a powder or primer change.

@aaronneumeyer5572

3 жыл бұрын

@@luvtahandload7692 Trying to wrap my head around that. Again, novice here, but when I think about changing powder I think of it burning faster or slower creating more or less speed out the end of the barrel. Does more or less speed also change the effectiveness of the rifling twist whereby the exiting bullet can also drift left and right?

@luvtahandload7692

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaronneumeyer5572 you don't want to overthink this. Changing any component in a load can change POI because the barrel harmonics can also change, sending the bullet somewhere else from the previous load, the reason we always check our zero when changing ammo.

@ShastaBean

2 жыл бұрын

@@luvtahandload7692 "you don't want to overthink this" - that is exactly what my dad says when I go into describing variable changes and various results. He thinks a guy should just grab the rifle off of the rack and grab a box of Remington and just start blasting...when actually, this is quite literally rocket-science. I found the left/right movements just as confusing as Aaron, but have come to accept it is just a fact. Best explanations I've found are what he said, and that the bullet is leaving the barrel at a different point in its spin cycle, and depending on the pressure/speed, affecting harmonics and then somehow causes it to hit left or right. Not a fan of adjusting the scope between groups, as it nullifies the differences in POI, and only really shows group sizes.

What is the name of the barrel cooling device?

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Chamber chiller. www.chamberchiller.com/

@gdog4323

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 thank you!

Why the magnum primers in a short action non magnum cartridge?

@cavedweller1959

2 жыл бұрын

Why not??

@snyderman9791

2 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 because there is a standard amount of powder in the case. Magnum primers are used when more powder is in the case. No need for magnums.

It looks like the 6th shot hit the same hole.

Is she bedded to the stock?

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

All my rifles are bedded.

Sorry about that I hit the wrong button before I was done. Again, the only cost you would be to help me glass bed my Rem .222, Something I’ve never done before.

Why so Farr off the lands I don't understand less jump compressed load

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Triggertech triggers. I have 2 great triggers no creep or overtravel and click adjustments for increase or decrease trigger pull

@14goldmedals

Жыл бұрын

Another vote for Triggertech. I have a Diamond model on my F/TR rifle set at 6oz and it's amazing. They fit Rem700 setups. They're Canadian just like me🇨🇦 except they're made to last forever and my expiration date is slowly peeking over the horizon.

@4:52 that was literally same hole. Identical impact.

Triggered up itll be awesome

Invest in a good timiny trigger you can't go wrong with them

Has Anybody tried the ELD 108 grain hornaday in their .243? My sako has a 1-10 twist, and so does my 6mm rem....

@cavedweller1959

Жыл бұрын

Going to need to spin it lot faster than a 1-10. I think Hornady calls for a 1-7 or 1-8.

@Isaacbway

Жыл бұрын

I use those in a 1/8 twist 27in bartlein, compared to nosler 95 grain they group tighter, but that’s based off of the limited testing I have done, maybe the nosler would do better if I tried different seat depths, but big fan of the 6mm 108 eld’s minimal windage drift it’s all figuring out where they are on the y axis at distance, they don’t drift much on windage

87gr what Cal? 243 6mm?

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6aExameh6i_drg.html

You should be fishin lol

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

With this heat, may have to go nocturnal, chase the flatheads. But the river is so low, it wont float the boat. Sucks.

Screwing anything including a supressor onto a barrel will change the harmonics of the barrel. I would never shoot for groups with a supressor on, but I certainly dont know even close to everything. How about groups with and without it on? Bullet seating depth will result in different results from gun to gun and definately from different bullet types. How about a test with and without the suppressor????

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

This rifle has been put together for one purpose and one purpose only, slinging lead across the prairie on dog towns. I have absolutely zero--ZERO INTEREST in what it will do without the can.

@patv1271

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 You worry about bullet seating depth and barrel temp from the sun yet something as consequential as a supressor hanging on your barrel is of no importance?? You cannot TRULY be interested in what your rifle is really capable of if that is the case Thats like seeing how different powders perform but shooting the groups with your eyes shut. Would you ever really know? Also, most youtubers ARE interested in what their subscribers want to see. Sorry I suggested it. P.S I have shot a lot of prairie dogs and have yet to see anyone with a 700.00 plus silencer doing same. I guess its pretty expensive to look cool, because I see no other reason for it.

@joeytheratbastard1873

3 жыл бұрын

@@patv1271 maybe get a suppressor and find out what it can do. My guns shoot great without one. They shoot way better with one and a lot less noise. Try it instead of bitching about it

@14goldmedals

Жыл бұрын

@Pat V I'm so glad you said it first, "but I certainly don't know even close to everything." Now follow your own words and you shall be rewarded with knowledge beyond your current imagination.

Great shooting

87gr what caliber??????????????????????????

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6aExameh6i_drg.html

CD, should you ever decide you want to visit the twin cities,or attend the state fair, you can lodge at my house. Them only cost to you

Has anyone "measured" jump on factory ammo?

@rbm6184

3 жыл бұрын

Two-stroke Smoke I don't chase the lands anymore like I used to. I look for like he said in the video a chamber "sweet spot" and go from there. Some folks call it an accuracy node. Once I am close I just adjust COL either seating the bullet out or deeper depending on bullet group size. I tried setting the bullets to the lands on a .223 and it hated short jump to the lands so I went through different factory loads of various COL until I found one in the chamber sweet spot that it liked. It was way back off of the lands. Nowhere near it. Then I duplicated the COL of that factory load and adjusted from there. I am still adjusting that COL to fine tune it and tighten it up. As you get chamber throat erosion over time that sweet spot will shift and change so you can't sit on one optimum load indefinitely.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Hornady loads 2 recipes for the 6.5 PRC. Both in My Mauser M18 will hang at .75MOA. Glass bedded, .5MOA. Both loaded at .050" from the lands in this particular rifle. Load development was short & sweet.

What is bullet jump?

@cavedweller1959

5 ай бұрын

The X thousands of an inch a bullet travels before it engages the rifling when fired. Sometimes loaded long enough to engage the rifling, there for, zero jump.

@johnywolfs104

5 ай бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 Ok. Thanks for explaining.

That was 2nd and 3rd shots....

I'd recommend not leaving your test loads lying out in the sun.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Right, I keep them in the shade when thing aren't happening.

@rkba4923

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 👍👍

Shouldnt leave your ammo in the sun.