This is how I lost my faith. I was serving as a bishop and had a brother who was sincerely looking for answers to complicated church history. With the greenlight from my Stake President I went searching for answers to help this brother. I'm sure you can imagine what happened next. I always thought that anti-Mormon literature was fabricated tools of the devil. I never imagined that it was just factual church history! Suffice it to say, I'm out and couldn't be happier. The transition was tough and there's plenty I cherish about my Mormon past.

@HeardFromMeFirst

3 жыл бұрын

Creepy cult...you do well to claw yourself out of it..but that's only the first step,..to claw yourself away from the "god" belief, (any god) is the ultimate goal.

@jacobsmith1987

3 жыл бұрын

Was in Bishopric here, and discovered the same. Just over a year since I asked to be released and havn't stepped back in since. Still love the people, but I've never been happier since leaving. I feel authentic, free and connected in ways I couldn't have imagined. Thanks for sharing!

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving and for taking your weakness and confusion out from among us.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobsmith1987 Thanks for leaving and for taking your weakness and confusion out from among us.

@jacobsmith1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 You got it! 🤣

Gotta be real hard to leave after investing so much of your life into something

@randyjordan5521

3 жыл бұрын

But that's better than remaining in it when you know it's false.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

Yes...admitting utter and abject failure is hard for anyone.

@j3ffn4v4rr0

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's why a lot of people in the world live their lives in denial, because they lack the courage

@stingosdungeon

3 жыл бұрын

For many, it’s impossible to leave, but God want our hearts not our work. Our best works are as filthy rags to Him, but through the eyes of Jesus, we are made righteous.

@exmormonroverpaula2319

3 жыл бұрын

I saw some research years ago that indicated about 5-6% of active Mormons don't believe it, but are just going along for some reason or other. I suspect that includes church leaders: bishops, stake presidents, and General Authorities. I kept on going to church and holding a calling for several years after I became an atheist.

Reading that exact same sentence in the essay made me finally realize that the LDS Church was gaslighting me.

@tomklarks7312

3 жыл бұрын

@Colten Hezekiah fkn trolls hahaha!

@randallreed9048

3 жыл бұрын

@Jennifer Seay Oh, Puleeze! Do you think you are addressing children? Just because you say it, does not make it so! Grow up. Think like a reasoning adult. "I believe it so you must believe it" will not work.

@emilyacoxpsychic

2 жыл бұрын

I am genetically and biologically an intersexed hermaphrodite and I also just went through a very traumatizing experience with the bishop and president. I am completely straight and heterosexual male, but I was ostracized and traumatized by the church just recently for the past four weeks due to my biological condition

@barbaradavis4675

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomklarks7312 q0p]0000

@fidelfez2202

2 жыл бұрын

@@emilyacoxpsychic because it's cult. Steven Hassan BITE model. Behavior, information, thought, emotional CONTROL. Get you stop swearing,food control,dressing control,hair style control,phobia indoctrination,undo influence.

How does a bishop start to question? "I started reading"... That pretty much sums it up.

@anthonyjames4478

2 ай бұрын

You think this isn't equally true when reading "history" of other faiths! People leave the Catholic Church, the Methodist Church, the Baptist Church all because they find contradictory stories or tales throughout the leadership of their faiths. This is a profoundly weak and disingenuous argument.

@rickhuntling7338

Ай бұрын

@@anthonyjames4478 would you say the same if what was read was the HOLY BIBLE? Many ex- Mormons have left the occult bondage of the LDS antichrist cult after reading the Bible not filtered through Mormon so-called prophets. You might try reading it sometime soon and leave the Later Day Satanist. Didn't you take a vow to "the power of Lucifer's priesthood" and put on his green apron?

Easy to see, this is just a good man.

@mbords01

2 жыл бұрын

Before I finish listening this; I wish that other folks from other religions in other countries also consider other options if there is a safe way to do it. In the US there is what is called "Freedom of Religion." We all must defend it at all cost!

Once when I was a missionary, around 2009, a 20-year-old Polynesian member testifed to me that his skin would one day be as white as mine. The Book of Mormon made him ashamed of his body.

@Plethorality

3 жыл бұрын

being pale is a pain. i love melanin. its beautiful.

@ednanelson1897

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! We always make white good e.g. white lies. Would they say Jesus was cursed? His skin wasn't white.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

Rubbish. The Book of Mormon did no such thing to him. It was his mistaken interpretation of our doctrine that did that. And there's no logic or reason to such an interpretation. Otherwise you would see a mass exodus of members in Central and South America and in Polynesia over that one issue - in fact there would be no membership there. To the contrary these are some of the strongest areas of faithfulness and growth of the Church fo Christ in the world.

@trevordixon

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174 That member hasn't left the church to my knowledge, so his "misinterpretation" (which President Kimball also believed and preached) could be widespread, even among darker-skinned members and converts, and might be the source of some self-loathing.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevordixon With due respect my friend you are still mistaken. President Kimball did not believe and preach this. In fact when he became President of the Church he taught the exact opposite doctrine than what was suggested by some comments he had made himself in a General Conference address over a decade before, when he was an apostle, in the early 1960's. He later gave an address to Latinos in Mexico (that became a First Presidency Message in the Ensign), AS Prophet and President, where he told them they should have no such feelings, that in reality the other branches of the House of Israel (implying all white Gentiles) had gone astray in many cases to a greater degree that their forebears did. And that Latinos are a chosen people. He later declared to other leaders during the leadup to the revelation on Blacks and the Priesthood that skin pigmentation in modern times has nothing to do with righteousness or worth before God. A great scholarly article on this is: "Spencer Kimball and the Revelation on Priesthood" by Andrew Kimball, which you can find in a Google search.

It’s much easier to stay than leave. It takes so much courage to step away. No one does it to sin or it doesn’t come about quickly. It’s a torturous event but once you know there’s no unlearning.

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

It would have been far easier to just stay ... but is comfort worth living a liie? ... we all have to choose for ourselves ... :(

@eastcoastguy_0803

3 жыл бұрын

I felt it was much easier to just leave. My life suddenly became so much more relaxing. No more callings, meetings, rules, more rules. I could finally make my own decisions without thinking or worrying too much. Such a relief.

@dalecaswell4217

3 жыл бұрын

For those who have deep connections & history in the LDS Church, anyways. But that's not all Mormons.

@c.k.mcknight8921

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying this. I've been going through this journey for a few weeks now, and it feels like torture. It would be so easy to just stay, not ask questions I "ought not ask," and keep my head down like a good Mormon. Maybe that's the greater torture, though -- to have to pretend to want to stay in a church that not only has so many skeletons in its closet, but also would look down on me for having sex with a guy. "It's okay to be gay, you just can't act on it" is something I've heard over and over in church meetings. Honestly, I'm not entirely convinced the church thinks it *is* okay to be gay. Its history of rhetoric against the LGBT community speaks for itself.

@exmormonroverpaula2319

3 жыл бұрын

@@c.k.mcknight8921, I did better after I moved on to Unitarian Universalism. It's a community that is very accepting to gays and atheists.

Every Bishop who reexamines and becomes honest is to be commended. All us boys grow up hoping to be a GA someday. Becoming a Bishop is the first step to believing that might happen. You're told you now magically have the power of discernment and your actions are now fully justified. To step back and let go of that is very brave and honest.

@scottpurves

3 жыл бұрын

And very difficult. It's hard to admit you don't have all the answers. it's even harder to admit that you used to have all the answers, but that they were all wrong, and so you were very confident in your beliefs in something that was actually false. That's hard on the mind.

@China-Clay

3 жыл бұрын

Would you say that boys and men “aspire” to become a GA? I know it’s a tough question.

@stephenjackson7797

3 жыл бұрын

@@China-Clay I know I did.

@China-Clay

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottpurves your family did a fantastic job when you were interviewed! It helped me so very much.

@China-Clay

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenjackson7797 seems like everyone was climbing on top of each other to catch a breath of fresh air, I am so done with it

I have been through the 6 discussions many many times and prayed for an answer from God about Joeseph Smith if he was true. God gave me an answer alright. Run.

@tylersuttle8857

2 жыл бұрын

Recently I spent about six weeks with some Mormon. They just left for their mission and I’m kind of sad they left because we kinda became friends. Can you explain your comment more I’m curious?

@evaang3616

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylersuttle8857 if you are curious about that young person who just left to serve his mission you can check out comeuntochrist.org You can learn more about why they do what they do and ask whatever you’d like to local missionaries. If you’re looking to find something wrong you’ll find it, but when you go in with a clean conscious seeking truth, you’ll find the answers you’re seeking:)

@callmeangie867

2 жыл бұрын

I got that same answer at 17.

@pollydunn3191

2 жыл бұрын

The missionaries are sweet young people and easy to fall in love with like my oldest grandson but if you are really looking for truth read the New Testament. The church pushes the book of mormon. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life not the temples or becoming a God. It's an interesting concept but there is only one God has only always been one God and will always be just one God. Satan fell from heaven like lightning because he wanted to be equal with God. It's all about relationship with God not religion and trying to work your way into His love. He already loves you proven by the sacrifice on the cross.

When I told my Bishop that I. No longer believed in the church, he didn’t sound to surprised. His only concerns were, was If I had apostatized by following another faith, I thought that was weird because I was an active member and never publicly voiced any decent. I told the Bishop that I no longer believed in the church because of it’s history. The Bishop asked me if I wanted a calling, I said no. That’s were the interview ended. I think he had heard this issue before and did not want to deal with it. Nine years after loosing my faith I decided to go inactive. Since That time I have had 2 visit with my home teachers and the new Bishop, I let them know that even though I don’t believe anymore that they were alway welcome stop by. The don’t visit anymore. I am happier now, no more dealing with the mental gymnastics of doctrine. I still believe that a God exists without any religion, no holy books or holy men.

@DPDisciple

3 жыл бұрын

That's the damage these false churches and prophets do. They train people to believe that if they aren't true then nothing is. The LDS church changes who Jesus is and lies about the bible being corrupted. There is so much hope in Christ and they just screw people out of getting to know Him.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyJudie The only thing you took from them was family loyalty...fun, huh?

@GospelOfTimothy

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus Is God I am the Messiah. Gospel of Timothy

@blackalien6873

3 жыл бұрын

@@DPDisciple You have no more proof of your supernatural beliefs than the Mormons or any other religion does. You have stories in a book and your own feelings. That's it. Same as all other religious believers.

@randyjordan5521

3 жыл бұрын

Your comment reminds me of an experience I had about 22-23 years ago. I had two different Mormon friends who had previously been in a different stake. (We had all left the church around the same time.) Both of these guys told me that their stake president had confided in them that "There ain't a thing that's true about the church, but it's a great place to raise a family." You see, there are a lot of active Mormons who don't believe in the church's truth claims, but they are "social Mormons," or they stay active because their spouse, or their boss, or somebody else in their life is a true believer, so the "closet apostate" goes along to get along. On that note, I had a remarkable experience when I was a bishop's counselor around 1988. One family in the ward were like the "pillars" of the ward. The husband was on the high council, and the wife was a spiritual giant. The husband was a prominent local businessman. The wife tragically died of cancer shortly after I moved into the ward, and the husband just stopped coming to church. We didn't know why, so the bishop had a couple of guys go visit him and try to determine his problem. The guy had remarried to a Baptist lady, and he told the church guys that he never believed in the church, and that he only went along with it to make his wife happy. And this guy had been a stake high councilor! He told the church guys to remove his name from church records, and that's the last we heard of him. That story shows that even people who hold "high and holy callings" may not even believe in the church. Over my 40 years in the church, I knew several active members who said that they didn't believe in the Joseph Smith story. I suspect that you've known some too. When I was a troo believer, I couldn't see how anyone could be an active member and not believe in the Joseph Smith story. But shortly after that, I learned that a lot of members are "social Mormons."

I feel like I have lost 29 years to the church, I can't imagine how this former Bishop and his wife feel ❤️

@johnlee1352

2 жыл бұрын

Just think how we feel...we endured 29 years of your weakness and confusion. Imagine how we feel! Thanks for leaving. We don't need any more posers...

@my0p1n10nst1nks

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352, you're incredibly Christlike. Real Celestial quality and we are blessed to have you.

@sleepycactusart

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 my favorite words from jesus, "thanks for leaving, poser"

@johnlee1352

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleepycactusart What do you think he said to the moneychangers as He drove them out of the temple? "Thanks for leaving"?... "Get the hell out" is more likely...

@12567NoYouCannot

2 жыл бұрын

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. New International Version,

I have no ties to mormonism, but i am absolutely fascinated by the phsychology of belief in this system. Hats off to this man. It seems like a Bishop in mormonism has a lot of power. I wonder how many lose their faith when they become a bishop.

@fidelfez2202

2 жыл бұрын

Lds is down syndrome of religions

@danielmoore4024

2 жыл бұрын

@@fidelfez2202 Don't discredit neurodivergant people please. People with Down Syndrome have abilities nonexistent in neurotypical people, I'm a ND myself and I love the gifts that come with autism that I think the profound challenges are worth living with.

Do you think the church keeps us so busy on purpose so there is no time to truly delve into better understanding thoughts like these?

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

That's part of the plan ... if we (the members) are too busy to actually learn about our history and "truth" claims, it is a huge win for the "church"! :P

@user-lz1oo9jx9o

3 жыл бұрын

oh definitely

@markjames2747

3 жыл бұрын

I am a seminary teacher and a stake president and have spent hours and hours "delving" into a better understanding of these thoughts and essays and have only found inspiration, truth, and a deeper faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through the prophet Joseph Smith.

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@markjames2747 What does that have to do ... at all ... with anything the original poster said? :( Obfuscation ... a tried and true tactic of apologists ... :( Let me ask you this then. After all your "research", what is your answer? If Gawd is a liiar, is he still Gawd? The answer from deceiitfull apologists is always the wrong one :(

@ferris_wheel9868

2 жыл бұрын

@@markjames2747 me too. We just have to be willing to look deeper than the initial shock or confusion. Who are we, to try and understand God without going to Him for understanding?

This was such a good one. I forgot how good it was.

It takes courage to face reality and learn the truth.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

No...it takes weakness and confusion to slink away for the truth...

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 you seem pretty weak and confused to me. At the very least dishonest and unoriginal with your copy and pasted trolling on multiple videos and comments. But hey, at keep it up and at this rate, maybe we'll be able to get your KZread ban sped up. :)

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@kelleren4840 Is there an "originality" contest going on?

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 wOw, yOu'Re rIgHt! There is no originality contest so feel free to troll and harass your little heart out!! If only I had the spirit of Mormon Jesus to fill me, I would have known that ages ago.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@kelleren4840 If I post"honest and original" stuff, will I have your approval?

I was raised in the LDS church and there are such wonderful people there that are being deceived and it makes me cringe. My brother being one of them. When I use to talk to him about it, he was so gracious and kind to me and he just "knows it is true." I hope one day he will investigate and come to know the one true God.

@callmeangie867

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I’ve got a massive bunch of LDS family. They weren’t very happy when I said that I was done with it. And they don’t know that I’m now Catholic, but they’re gonna know within the next year because I’m getting married as one.

@zajournals

2 жыл бұрын

"...come to know the one true god." We'll never know until we die. Man has worshipped thousands of gods and none of them have been proven nor disproven. That's why faith is necessary.

@christianorthodoxy4769

2 жыл бұрын

@@callmeangie867 Good for you.

@markkrispin6944

Жыл бұрын

Of course the Mormon Church wants to keep you busy so that you don't have the time or energy to research the truth of the cult of the Mormon Church

Good for you both. Thankful you posted this for others to hear.

Shout out and high five to Sis. Warburton who I served with in the Oakland California mission. My family and I have also resigned from the church and are so much healthier and happier. I watched your long MS episode and had the same feelings about our Mission President from the South. Best wishes to you, your husband and family!!! - Elder Josh Robinson

@davidjanbaz7728

3 жыл бұрын

Check out The Naked Bible podcast of Dr.Michael Heiser PhD on Biblical languages: glad you are out.

@jdrobinson4865

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, but no thanks. I’m more interested in real truth and science. I do enjoy learning about ancient civilizations, but in that study I’ve found all theistic religions were created by people to try to explain creation and the natural world. They all just as made up as Mormonism. We have a better understanding now through science and we are learning more incredible and amazing truths through scientific discovery every day now. So much to learn and study. There’s some amazing programs on the probable creation of the earth on the Discovery Science channel you should check out!

@SteveSmith-os5bs

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdrobinson4865 I have to agree with that science does make sense.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdrobinson4865 Why do you still cling to the Mormon title I assume you had? Stop it. Get on with your unaccountable life.

@jdrobinson4865

3 жыл бұрын

I served a Mormon mission with the Bishop’s spouse in this video. I want to say hello, so I used the title Elder and my name that she would remember me by. Does that make sense? Otherwise, I’m still connected to Mormonism through my extended family, but I love my post-Mormon, unaccountable life! Me and my family are healthier and closer than we’ve been without the toxic dogma of the church.

Thank you for your intellectual honesty. It doesn't take much true TRUTH seeking to see all of the falsehoods and distortion of the true Word.

I studied my faith away.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

And I studied my faith forward, and it's strengthened my testimony and faith all my life. "Seek learning, even by study and also by faith." D & C 88: 118.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

No, you just discovered your lack of faith. You need to leave. Your weakness and confusion will not be missed.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

Stop it. You've never had even a mustard seed worth of faith. Own it. An excuse for your weakness.

@randyjordan5521

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174 "And I studied my faith forward, and it's strengthened my testimony and faith all my life." That's because your "faith" is built on the falsehoods that the church has indoctrinated you with concerning its history.

@zaboomafia

3 жыл бұрын

I think some people feel it is true because of false hope narratives. The church narratives are different from church history and journals.

I like this format, much more digestible than the multi-part podcast episodes (which are good too!)

I was raised Morman. I’ve had my doubts I heard that the prophet is the only one who ( as a morman ) gets his information from god . God speaks to them. There are things I disagree with. Things I don’t like and agree with so I have not gone to the church for 35 years and won’t go back. Yes, I believe in god, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

President Hinckley admitted before he dyiied that he receives answers to his prayers by "promptings of the still small voice" ... EXACTLY like everybody else ... I was raised thinking that these men had some kind of "special" link to the divine ... nope lol :P

@uptick888

2 жыл бұрын

God is everywhere you don’t need a church for God.

@bigtobacco1098

2 жыл бұрын

@@uptick888 matthew 16:18

What a man of integrity! 👍

Having grown up as a child in the church but left as a teenager becuase of trumatic expereninces , i blamed god for not having protected me , becuase for so long i prayed as a child that the abuse would stop and i blamed god for doing nothing , i lost all faith. Years later as an adult Moving to peru with my husband i rejoined the church becuase i liked how people where nice and kind and we helped eachother and their was a sense of community that reminded me of my family that was still here in the U.S . 2 weeks ago i finnally read the book of mormen and i read that verse of gods curse and i cried . Me being a women of color a direct descendent of the laminaities to think god cursed us with our skin , it hurt . How could i teach this to my son that our skin is a curse ? To investiagte and find out more about the indian placement program of how they took native indigenous children from there homes and destroyed there culture there identity . That for so long African americans could not be sealed in the temple or recieve the presithood that they could not enter the highest leval of heaven for so long , it hurt . That children of lgbtq memebers cannot join the church becuase of there parents and are not allowed salvation when they have done nothing , finding all these things out has hit me like a truck . I still believe in god and jesues and know in my heart that the real god would never do that becuase he is love but i know people use god to excuse horrible actions and racist and homophobic agendas . I feel very conflicted and hurt , where is god . I am coming to think that god is not in any church .

I quit attending church a few years ago and except for some so called friends there I don't miss it.

@MrChilli26

3 жыл бұрын

If the friend drops you because you left the church shows how good members are afraid that this friendship will take them out of the church. There is so much unspoken of fear in this organisation.

Despite this bishop feels discouraged about this findings, he shouldn’t feel bad about it. He did his best and did what he could to keep going forward. And God knows of your heart, so your relationship with God doesn’t belong to any leader or any church as your relationship with our lord is personal. God does really exist no matter what religion you are from.

This was/is an iconic moment in Mormon stories. I loved this episode because families like these are at the root of Mormonism, and these exact issues are the reason families are leaving the Mormon faith. Great video!!

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

According to US News and World Report, the LDS church is the only major faith group in the US to experience growth in the last decade. Dream on...

@MaxwellsUnearthly

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 yeah, and you're still only what, like 0.3% of the population? Have fun with that 🤣😀🤣.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@MaxwellsUnearthly Catholics have been at it for 2000 years and have roughly 1 billion adherents...the Mormons will reach their current number in less than 500 years! Deal with it. Pisses you off, huh?

@MaxwellsUnearthly

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 Bahahaha, you made me spit out my drink ha ha ha, OHHHHHH ha ha ha ha.

@MaxwellsUnearthly

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 Plus, why would I be mad, you're the one on a post-Mormon, progressive Mormon channel preaching your TBM thoughts of world domination LOL, shouldn't you be on a channel that supports more of your cult-minded, nazi-dominating narrative? LOL, go home John, you're drunk on apple juice, wrong channel 😜😜😜

Then 2020 comes along and everything stops and suddenly we have time on our hands, lots of time. Now we have the time to watch things like this and reading the essays and not being in weekly church meetings beating it into our heads that we just need to follow the brethren. The church may not recover.

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

The brethren are terrified and don't know what to do ...

@exmormonroverpaula2319

3 жыл бұрын

Some recent comments by General Authorities give me the impression that the church is running scared. When I was going to BYU in the 1980s there just wasn't much said over the pulpit of atheism or apostasy among Mormons.

@valerieemery4562

2 жыл бұрын

What exactly are you talking about? No one beats anything into my head!

@ralphwiggam7630

2 жыл бұрын

@@valerieemery4562 I was taught since I was a littlle boyy: "FOLLOW the "profit"" "FOLLOW the "profit"" "FOLLOW the "profit"" "DON'T go astray ..." "FOLLOW the "profit"" "FOLLOW the "profit"" "FOLLOW the "profit"" "HE KNOWS THE WAY!!!" Just make sure you remember to always pay that 10% ... even if you can't pay your utilities first ;) Also, we "shouldn't be critical of these men ... even when we know they're wrong" ... Now bow your head and say, "yes" ... :P

@helenwalker716

2 жыл бұрын

I have left. Only one person in my 40 years of being in the church knows this because he left too. I don’t run them down. I am glad they are such good people. There came a day when my husband and I knew we had to leave. I pray for all to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. Leave the rest to him.

Informative, thank you for posting this video!

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

Thankfully someone was willing to question these issues with simple common sense! The world is leaving behind all the blaring inconsistencies in scripture! Religions provide much needed support in many ways but it’s time to drop the judgment and discrimination!

I think for many members this is one of those things that is in the back of their mind. I am still active but I don't look at any religion as the only true religion. All religions have their faults. All religions are a reflection of the society they come from. God is bigger than any one religion.

@markoproduction

3 жыл бұрын

The Book of Abraham was a tipping point for me back in 2012. I almost left the Church then. I was called as a Bishop in 2015 and just recently released after 5 and a half years.

@davidpalahame9971

3 жыл бұрын

I concur

@duckylmexican

3 жыл бұрын

This is why I left the LDS church. I was often told “Trust in the Lord, the church is made of people who are human, the prophet is human, so we are viable to mistakes, misinterpretations, misdirection, etc.” It took a few years but then I realized they were correct, saying that. Why would I trust my soul & everything to the fears that are spun into hopeful teachings by the LDS church leaders on any level, including the prophet? Trust in the Lord, period. No one else, no religion. So now I’m not affiliated with any organized religion. I continue to study the Bible, say my prayers, devote days to community service/a neighbor/etc. everyday but that’s it. I’ve never felt more free and closer to God on personal terms rather than having the church dictate whether I’m close enough to Him or not just because circumstances in my life caused me to miss a few Sundays for work, not pay a high amount of tithing for one pay cycle, etc.

@allisonschmidt639

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is you're following a different Jesus. If the BOM isn't true and D & C isn't true it's like reading someone else's biography with the same name. The Lord told me while reading LDS scriptures, this isn't my voice, not the real me. I then imagined him saying depart from me I never knew you. It took me a long time to have the heart to investigate I was broken but the evidence was overwhelming. Good luck sister

"No just a little wrong, but in a way that affects people lives"... I come from a Mormon family, we the children suffered abuse and neglect at home, as I grew up still had to give up on the few good opportunities I had outside the church so I could stay "faithful" to the Mormon standards. Today I feel old, bitter and still continue to struggle, all of my siblings are highly dysfunctional and messed up for life, I have many regrets about church but I'm too old and broken to stand on my own now. Thank you for these awesome channels.

@johnlee1352

2 жыл бұрын

You're right...you are bitter and old. Your faithful family weeps for you...

This is how I got out of Evangelical Christianity. I discovered far too many contradictions. Good for you being strong and open to correction. It’s not an easy process.

I’m starting to realize that growing up I had 3 bishops before I was 14. I got along with them and it wasn’t uncommon for my dad to help them with horses, tractors, and other types of chores or for them to help my dad. But as they were released from their calling they would eventually go inactive. And one even asked that nobody refer to him as bishop anymore. But since I knew them outside of the church I always looked up to them and never doubted about where they left. Now that I’m older and looking at everything from a apostate view. I bet they saw, heard, or acknowledged something that made them wake up

@matthewmitchell68

Жыл бұрын

Bishop get work to death with no compensation. Imagine working a part time job away from your family and kids with any compensatory pay. Wednesday nights are always taken up and you don’t get any Sunday off, it’s just better to leave it all behind.

Mr. Booth is to be applauded for his care and honesty. I hope that more LDS follow in his concern for what is true and what isn't.

i like this short summary of the much longer interview.

“What if everyone is like me?” was the same thought that was key in my loss of faith (Catholicism).

@tomoates8568

3 жыл бұрын

It's an interesting thing to think about. Because if you're religious obviously you would want to believe that the leaders are somehow on a higher level of spirituality or understanding or whatever. But we're all just people, including them. And that's not a bad thing

@nightshade99

2 жыл бұрын

I sure hope you moved to a relationship with Jesus Christ and disavowing the demonic doctrine of Catholicism.

@AVspectre

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t have a religious faith now. I still focus on being a kind, empathetic, and helpful member of my community. I have friends of various beliefs and backgrounds, and don’t have issue with their own god beliefs. I find scripture interesting and enjoy examining the wider historical and cultural frameworks that it exists within. Any attempt to establish a ‘personal relationship with Jesus’ in the past just lead to the same feeling of displacement. It is impossible to try to believe in and develop a relationship with an entity you don’t believe exists (or at least does not communicate directly with or intervene in their creation). I have no way of knowing for certain what comes after death. I don’t believe it’s anything. If a loving creator god does exist, I can’t imagine they would condemn people for living their lives as best they can governed by the faculties they created within them (including reason, observation…). If they would allow their creations to suffer eternally in some kind of hellfire, and would be willing to leave the promise of salvation to a giant game of Telephone extending over millennia rather than reveal themselves definitively, they could not possibly be loving or all-powerful. It simply doesn’t make sense to me. A god willing to gamble with the enteral destiny of their ‘children’ under the guise of free will seems silly. A loving god could reveal themselves definitively to their creations in a way they would be capable of understanding and still leave it as free will what they do with that knowledge. A god unwilling to do while the consequences were so severe would seem to me to be undeserving of worship. I am happy you have an outlook that brings you happiness, and I wish you joy and peace.

@nightshade99

2 жыл бұрын

@@AVspectre So you do not believe in the Christian God? I understand how displacement can occur from Mormonism because that system isn't from God, but how come you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater? I can take that you hadn't asked God earnestly for proof of His existence? I did, and I received a glaring vision. God created you for His own benefit, not your own. He gave you direct revelation never leaving it to mere consequence of morality choices as you might believe. I do understand your predicament because your rationale is purely human and not fueled by the Holy Spirit. God does not want slaves, but He simply cannot grant you access to heaven just for the sake of it. He has standards. If God revealed Himself in the way that you wished, He still would create people who followed Him out of fear, not love. I suppose it comes down to your designated chance in pretending that there is no afterlife; a sedation for your mind, if you will. Many documented cases confirm real Jesus encounters through NDEs. I am happy because I have discovered the truth of things. I pray that you will be shaken awake too. God Bless.

@AVspectre

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightshade99 I have asked earnestly for the type of revelation you describe. I spent years leading retreats, attending bible school… I was excellent at apologetics and knew the right answers for the questions people would raise. Nothing - from my daily prayers, scripture study, praise & worship, or heartfelt cries to what I believed was god ever resulted in anything that could allow me to believe with confidence… to know I was hearing/feeling something divine. I related original comment because I always felt alone. I felt that I must be broken somehow. Surely those around me weren’t just going through the motions. I must be the only one who hadn’t experienced god. As I realized I wasn’t, I stopped seeing myself as an aberration. It’s interesting to me that you see a lack of belief in an afterlife as ‘a sedation for your mind’. I actually felt the opposite. I liked feeling like I had the answers to the big questions. It was easy to feel like I knew how to spend my life. After all, if this life is only a wink in eternity, what does it really matter? Why not give everything to serve god and try to help people discover ‘the Truth’. Sure, I could focus on trying to relieve suffering here on earth or improve conditions for others. But if the ‘real’ life is eternal, of course my priority should be on trying to aid their eternal lives by bringing them to Jesus. It was a scary transition to recognizing that I don’t actually know any of the ‘Truths’ I proclaimed. To realize that it’s entirely possible that my life ends upon my mortal death. To realize that I was attributing my whole purpose to a belief I had only hoped was true. I’ve read people’s accounts of NDEs, and they don’t stand out to me as convincing. They fall in line with physiological occurrences in the body, and make sense based on the person’s own cultural understanding of the afterlife etc. I thank you for this respectful exchange. I won’t be able to reply back quick to this as I’ve other commitments today. I am happy you feel secure in your beliefs and hope they help you live the life you want - hopefully one that leaves a wake of love in action (at least that’s what I hope for my own life). Be well. Happy Friday! :)

He sounds very sensible and reasonable, and right.

I enjoyed this condensed version of the interview; short, concise, to the point and very relevant and heartfelt. All your interviews are interesting and very relevant to all of us former Mormons, but taking the main points and condensing them in short snippets like this one. Might bring way more viewers. Great job Dr. Delhin!

I studied Hebrew and the LDS has twisted Hebrew into its exact opposite. The meaning of "Lavan, or Laban, or Laman" (V, B, & M being in this case, interchangeable), means white, or pure & sparkling, and does not refer to a color but of inner character in Hebrew mythology and children's stories. I was given the name "LaVanna" by a Rabbi, which he said literally meant, "Lady of the White Moon," which meant "one of pure character, a charitable do-gooder." On the other hand, "Nephilim," (plural), Nephi-(singular) means "A giant," or "The Sons of the Gods." The Nephilim were the Giants of old in Genesis, who were children of supposed demonic angelic beings, and were told to have been destroyed by God in the Great Flood. What the LDS has done is REVERSE the Hebrew language and state that LAMAN is evil and NEPHI is good. Hmmmmm. Interesting, because, bear with me here... if these tablets were of God, and if they were translated correctly, and if these tribes were lost Hebrew tribes, would they not have written their tablets in their own Hebrew language? And IF an angle helped transcribe the tablets, would the angel have mistranslated the Hebrew meaning of those two words into their polar opposites??? If the tablets were really about two lost Hebrew tribes, would they not have stayed at least somewhat true to the Hebrew language and culture? Soooooo actually if this were real, the Lamanites (meaning white, meaning pure of heart) would have been the good ones, and the Nephi (evil) the bad ones. And in this case...the dark skinned Lamanites good and the white skinned Nephi bad. This whole translation defies the Hebrew language, which I cannot believe to be true if these two are in fact lost tribes.

@Jeweliedear

3 жыл бұрын

😂 i do remember laughing out loud when i first heard nephi and some of the names. Even moroni 😂 i mean Bible NT was translated from Greek. Moron was a Greek word then loaned to latin. Meant foolish one 😂 so i have no clue how mormons claimed that angel was Moroni. Similarly, Moreno in spanish means dark skinned or brown or refers to Moors. Is also Sephardic Jewish last name. So all around just seemed odd considering their beliefs. The verbiage isnt congruent with anything else in ot or nt. Just stands alone as if made up without any kind of divine purpose congruent. NT did not discard Old or discredit it. Jesus fulfilled prophecy and anything recorded in NT was enough/complete. The end. No need for new revelation. It was finished.

@fidelfez2202

2 жыл бұрын

You took Hebrew. Ok in Temple they used to say PAY,Lay,Ale. In threes. What's it say

I left 16 years ago. Determining what Christianity after 17 years in the church - 13 of them with a temple recommend - has been quite a journey. I have a podcast and I'm happy to be a guest

I left the Mormon church after 42 years. I had my name removed.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

And why did you think anyone cared about your life 40+ years ago? Were you making a point?

@cayea4076

3 жыл бұрын

@John Lee Be kind. It's what the Lord wants of us.

@sam327

3 жыл бұрын

John Lee why you gotta be mean? he’s just making a comment, didn’t hurt anyone

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@sam327 What was the point?

@sam327

3 жыл бұрын

John Lee well it seems quite clear he wanted to make his point, if i had to guess, maybe in tangent to the video’s message that number of years in a religious community need not necessarily mean you have to have a self-confirmation bias that you’re on the right track because you’ve invested so much time.

I can relate to all of this. Finally officially had my name removed from the records that I’ve been on since birth

@johnlee1352

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for slinking away from the church...your weakness and confusion will not be missed.

@TheBones1188

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 wow you don't sound very Christian like here. Not the ones you espoused to be anyway. Where is the love compassion. The understanding. And people like you wonder why your faith is described as a cult. Why people don't believe in God and question the validity of the church

Very very powerful.

Our stake president said he got revelation about who to call by driving by there houses and seeing which house makes him feel the most spirit. So just rich people were called.

My heart goes out to all of these mormon people that have been let down (forlack of better words). My mother is mormon, and I didn't realize the depth of control going on.

I Really relate to the statements of this man and I pray he will find God within himself and follow what he instinctively knows what is Good and rejects what he knows is evil. This is for every human being as well.

I couldn't count the times I heard fervent testimony of things I know went against Church doctrine or procedure. People will say: "They were just human, they make mistakes". Yet they claim that the spirit told them this or that. It shows how easily people deceive themselves. If the creator of the entire universe has as much effect as a figment of our imaginations, what good is he? Powerful enough once to create stars, quasars, black holes, galaxies without end, but now reduced to a bit of powerless wishful thinking, trapped inside our brains.

I feel for this man

I was introduced to the Church while listening to Mormon Stories as a curious atheist from a Catholic background and I felt a pull from the missionaries as their psychological games that they play can be some powerful stuff even when they are unaware of what they are doing but in the back of my mind I knew too much to believe that the Church is true in the sense it is purported to be. Over a few years ended up just joining as a moderate member and enjoyed some years of activity.

Praying for the Holy Spirit to show you the truth in God’s word. Keep seeking and asking the Lord to show you Himself.

Another good interview

When my mom was investigating the church when I was 4 (she joined when I was 5) She told me about how dark skinned people couldn’t do certain things in the church. At 4 I knew that couldn’t be right, in my child mind I just couldn’t believe it. Half my friends were naturally dark nationalities! We even had a fantastic neighbor and his wife who had come from Africa. They were seriously the best people. He had been working so hard to support him and his wife (he also eventually brought his younger sister over from Africa as well) he was finishing school and had been offered a really good position in the San Diego area and I was heart broken that they left. He could speak French, Italian and was learning Spanish as well as his native language and he loved telling us about his childhood even though he had been raised poor (until he was sponsored) but his family was extremely close. He had so much enthusiasm for life and was always helping neighbors. I think the whole thing was racist BS from the start. I never believed the church was true but was forced to go to church. That ended on my 18th birthday and was glad to be rid of it.

Recognizing that others were just as unsure about guidance from the spirit is exactly how I felt on my mission. I fully expected some kind of spiritual confirmation during baptismal interviews but never felt anything. I had to just go by their answers and trust that they were telling the truth. I felt like a fraud and it made me wonder about others so I started paying close attention and I realized that the others were just like me.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

I'll bet you were just an awful missionary. Nobody was "just " like you. Your weakness and confusion ooze from your words. From your post, you need to get used to frustrated expectations. It'll be your constant companion...

@jacobopstad5483

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 That's a great example of the kind of toxic, narcissistic response you can expect from church members

@greatmike3120

3 жыл бұрын

I too felt the same way you did. I had to interview a woman that had an abortion at the time I felt like I was being courageous but now I just feel awful, there was no comforter to help me or guide me then. I came home from my mission not believing in the spirit.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@greatmike3120 Weakness and confusion seems to be epidemic among our youth...you should never have been a missionary. You need to get out and move on with your unaccountable life.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

Well I mean no offense but you drew the wrong conclusion. You could have placed yourself in a position to receive revelation. But we're not going to have it every minute. I too conducted many baptism interviews. some of them I remember like it was yesterday. Sometimes I was in tune, sometimes I wasn't. When I was in tune, amazing things happened. One woman walked in and the moment I looked at her I knew through the Holy Ghost that she was totally ready. I didn't need to ask her a single question. Another time I was rushed into another interview, unprepared, and a couple came in and even though they answered the questions satisfactorily I sensed something was wrong. But under some pressure from another missionary I ignored the prompting and went ahead and passed them, and they transgressed right after their baptism.

The church literally teaches it's member to "Seek ye the best books" and study as much as you can...then for whatever the second you start questioning the doctrine you're an apostate.

Great to hear you had the courage to follow your heart and instincts!!

I had a conversation with my believing family around prophets last night. They admitted that prophets and apostles are all fallible but wouldn’t admit that they have ever made a mistake. I pointed out the priesthood ban and they insisted that it came from god and god wanted the ban then lifted it, not that men made a mistake. It was eery and disturbing the level of commitment to illogical brainwashed thinking.

@ibobeko4309

Жыл бұрын

Brainwashed thinking and religion, who could thought about that `? 😂 My new goal in life is to become an apostle, i will create a new church called LSD, Lately Saints Delusionists.

Honest question for all honest believers out there: How much of your religion could be blatantly made up without ever anyone realizing or caring? Because heck, even looking at early Christianity now, folks didn't agree on the fundamentals of who Christ was or what He did. Most of those New Testament letters were Church leaders "setting the record straight", despite being several decades removed from the events themselves. Frankly, everyone could've been "making things up", and how would anyone know? And how when "correctness of belief" is so paramount for salvation, does anyone stand a chance to know what's right?

@frandanco6289

Жыл бұрын

dande 313 - The Holy Ghost, the Testator of Truth, has confirmed truth to me many times, that is how I know..I also study and pray a lot... That helps too... Even more, I serve others, and am always ready to do so..Sometimes, this beautiful man's voice speaks to me directly, and tells me what I need to do at this moment, and I always obey... Yes, we can, and many, many, spend a lot of time wondering, questioning, etc., about everything, and that is fine... Me, I would rather be out doing what the Savior wants me to do... He knows me and knows, I absolutely have Faith in Him, and that I believe in Him... I once married a "cradle to grave" Catholic, we were really in love... She later on her own, decided to study, work with the Missionaries, and later, on her own, decided to join the Church.. We had an incredible life together... Later, she decided that because so many people on the Internet said the Church was not true, that it was not true now, and she left the Church, and our temple marriage... My heart was so broken for years... I could not think or talk about it without crying... I prayed constantly for her, her children, and her family, as well as everyone else.. One night, I woke up, and the Savior was standing next to my bed.. He was wearing a white robe... He took his hand, put it into my chest, and took my heart out, and looked at it... I could see that part of it was like torn away, and it was very red and bleeding... This was my broken heart... He then, took his other hand, put it into His chest, and took a part of His beautiful heart out, and placed it on the broken, torn, part of my heart... He then, put my heart back inside me... I fell asleep... The next morning, I woke up and my broken heart was no longer broken... He healed me... I did not pray every day, asking Him for this... He did it because He loved me, He did it because He probably heard my dear Mother praying for me, He must have decided that my Ex wife was not going to even try to reconcile our marriage.. He did it because He knew I was not going to make it...I was and am still so thankful and grateful ! Since then, I have been able to be there when He calls me to do something for others, many, who I don't even know... But He Does... And He knows I will absolutely obey... All of these events have been absolutely the most beautiful, spiritual, loving, experiences I have ever had ! I am not at all worried or bothered by all negative comments, etc., in this entire thread, because I Know He Lives.. I Know He worked All His Beautiful Life, doing what ? Loving, Everyone... Serving Everyone...Everyone... I love Him so much !!! I love His Church, I love His people... I want to be worthy enough to see Him ! I pray God's Blessings be upon ALL who have posted here and everywhere... With Love, Fran Danco

If God is Love Itself, which is His highest attribute and essence, then all people in nature are loved and nurtured in a Universal way by God. All people have the potential to understand God and live by God's Grace, and by receiving God's Grace by living the best way possible, thereby making the attempt to emulate what God truly represents. This is the way to come closest to humanly understand what "healthy minded religion" is.

@carlduffin

3 жыл бұрын

"If God is Love Itself, which is His highest attribute and essence, then all people in nature are loved and nurtured in a Universal way by God." By attributing all that is good in humans - and many other animals really - to a god, really misses the point that with God or no God, all sentient beings have the ability to love and have empathy for all of nature and that is every being's core nature.

I have a relative by marriage whose wife accused of doing something terrible. They were both LDS. Having known that person I knew he wasn't capable of doing what his wife he had done. Of course, they were going through a divorce. It turned out later that the woman had had been lying, but the man's life was shattered. He lost his job and even served time in jail. If the leaders of his ward had the gift of discernment, as they claimed, they would've been able to see that he was an innocent man. But they refused to even consider the possibility that his now ex-wife was being vindictive and trying to ruin him -- which she pretty much did. I don't think they ever reached out to him to set things straight.

At ten years of age in 1957 I knew sumpin was fishy..Anoint me as Clever Fellow...quick before I die!!! Rodney

@SunShine-sp8zw

3 жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏽👏🏾

I feel so bad for him. I feel his pain. I hurt so bad when I left the church and still hurt to this day. I wish life was as simple as they said it was.

@joelgoldsmith4747

3 жыл бұрын

Would a better way in healing the pain, be to return to the lds ? 🤔

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@joelgoldsmith4747 For some people living a liie is acceptable ... for some of us, it is NOT. It would be far easier to just stay put and remain in the "church" ... but at what cost? Is living a liie worth some comfort and security? Or do you stand for truth, no matter what the cost? We all have to decide for ourselves friend ...

@joelgoldsmith4747

3 жыл бұрын

@@ralphwiggam7630 Yes.....I'm in full agreement. Knowing the TRUTH is a complete LIBERATION of MIND;which sets one FREE indeed.😔😔😔

To me, it doesn't matter what is said about the leaders of the church, nor does it matter that mistakes are made in the church, much less when members do not behave properly. Over the many years I have managed to build a strong personal relationship with God (thanks to the church). This has resulted in me not only being able to feel the spirit so strongly but being abundantly blessed with great wonderful blessings. And it doesn't stop, to such an extent that it surprises me again and again. No, I will never leave the church, not even for all the money in the world.

Thanks for sharing

It's a business selling a god product.

@genexrollins

2 жыл бұрын

LDS Inc does a Bernie Madoff every year, and gets away with it year after year after year by doing their crime in the name of God.

@janelllorenz1787

2 жыл бұрын

100%!

Is it wrong that the only reason I haven’t officially left the church is that in case of an emergency I would use the Mormons for all the food and prepper supplies?

@chanah-hoa5106

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂. And the invites to ward and stake activities... aka free feed. Lol

Hi, Thank you for expressing your experience honestly and without condemnation! When faith and reason collide, faith almost always wins by default with religious leaders. Could this be caused from brain washing, the desire to believe or perhaps the cost of honoring truth over falsehoods!? So much to loose when one steps forward and says "the emperor has no clothes." Like our former President who seeks to destroy his own who don't fall in line! Its wonderful to hear someone is seeking God and truth as the presidence over simply following imperfect leaders as though they were Gods!

@lauraoverstreet9987

3 жыл бұрын

You can really see and hear, his sincerity, his compassion and honesty!" Bet.he was a great bishop! They always lose their best and brightest!

I left the church behind around 1971ish. This was one of the two main reasons for my disbelief, the other was the position of women. Black Power and Women's Liberation were hot topics then. Although I'm not really a feminist, this didn't settle well with me. I came to a solid belief in the Gospel of the Bible about 15 years later. My prayer is that Mormons would embrace the true Jesus of the Bible. It will truly set you free.

@jstewardjr

3 жыл бұрын

Other things that had a big influence on my departure. My Bishop accused me of something that was untrue and told it to my mother. The first counselor was one of the biggest cutthroat Real Estate Brokers in town and had a very poor reputation for dishonesty. The second counselor was a teacher at my high school and had the reputation of berating students and cursing them out. A big time potty mouth. Also he slept through most Sunday services.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

50 years (a half century) has passed and here you are...still pathetically bashing a faith you claim to have rejected. Move on already...wow

It's like: wellcome to the Free Will! Greatest gift one has 😜👍

They have the essays as part of the institute classes.

I asked the Lord about this in prayer one day. I felt he was really try to emphasize the darkness of their spirits rather than their skin color. Truly..... people would do so much better if they learned from the spirit rather than a multi- billion dollar organization.

@exmormonroverpaula2319

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with trying to learn from the spirit is that lots of people do that, and come up with lots of different answers, many of them contradictory. How do you think we ended up with thousands of different denominations of Christianity?

Love these shorter videos John. I don't have the attention span for 2 or 3 hour videos. lol

God bless you for seeing things clearly. I pray for continued growth in Jesus!

Does God ever lie? When a prophet who speaks for God changes fundamental beliefs, is he really a prophet?

@michaelpeterson6174

2 жыл бұрын

Baloney. And what fundamental belief has changed? Not one doctrine in the Thirteen Articles of Faith has changed. Practices and culture change, but not fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles and prophets. And just know I'm aware of all the twisted positions on this topic in the disaffected world, and none of them hold water and are easily shot down.

@my0p1n10nst1nks

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174, so is darkened skin a curse or not? It's a contradiction.

@michaelpeterson6174

2 жыл бұрын

@@my0p1n10nst1nksThere's no contradiction. It would be wise to reconsider your assumption. It's clear from the scriptures that God has in the past in some few instances used a change in skin color as a discipline of his children. But that is not manifested in the millions of people of many different races found on the earth today. What is also clear - because these things have been revealed and made clear by modern prophets of God - is that the many races and colors on the earth today are not in any way a manifestation of God's disfavor, including as regards to receiving the Priesthood of God. As I pointed out earlier, President Kimball even went to Mexico and gave a talk where he let the people know that they should not consider themselves less than any other race, that they were of the House of Israel and chosen of the Lord, and very precious, and that the ancestors of the Gentiles (whites in this context) may well have been more rebellious than some of their ancestors were as branches of the House of Israel.

@my0p1n10nst1nks

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174, ah, so it was bad to have dark skin before but now it isn't. I'm sure that's comforting for people of color. It's a contradoction whether you write a long response or not.

@michaelpeterson6174

2 жыл бұрын

@@my0p1n10nst1nks You have no logic, no real reasoning, no grounds. You just repeated your senseless, twisted charge and empty criticism - based on a false assumption. You haven't got an argument. I explained it well. And drawing attention to the length of my answer - which is irrelevant - is a dodge.

I still love you brother, things will be more clearer in the future, Kiaora tatau O te whanau. Auckland New Zealand. Polynesians are from haigoth.

@johnlee1352

2 жыл бұрын

Kiaorana, Waka, no te Kaki Airani. Te Akonoanga...e tika rai! Hagoth, te tangata o te vaka maata!

I appreciate the perspective. And I remember that scripture too. 2 Nephi 5:21. I would like to have heard more from this former bishop’s wife though.

I was in the mtc and assigned the task of training district leader. My responsibility was to make the greenies feel welcome, show them the ropes and through devine inspiration choose a gentleman to be their district leader. I took this responsibility with the utmost seriousness and prayed vigorously to make this appointment. The mission president and I had a meeting and discussed my choice. He calmly disagreed and after much discussion and me insisting that my choice for the job was correct they went with my choice. I wondered why they disagreed with me and why they had chosen a prospect also if it was my job. I then placed doubt on the my inspirational choice. When it was all said and done that group of guys ended up finishing early with their training and all passing. The guy they had chosen went on to his mission and went home early for stress and fatigue. In other words he didn't have what it takes. I never questioned devine inspiration until that day!!

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

Your ego is prominent in your life...You need to leave if you haven't already. Your weakness and confusion will not be missed.

@mrfixit0067

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352it confuses me when Christians act nothing like jesus would. Its called brainwashing!!

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrfixit0067 Jesus drove people out of the temple with a rope...I'm only using words to shepherd the dross and offal out of the church.

@mrfixit0067

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 as they say in Sweden, " church is a crutch for the weak"!!

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrfixit0067 Leave us to our crutch...you get on with your oh so enlightened, unaccountable life.

This could have been me. This is exactly what started my faith crisis.

@johnlee1352

2 жыл бұрын

There's never a "faith crisis"...you really mean your surrender to weakness and confusion?

So glad you got out. Now you can help others to leave & find the true gospel which is Christ & Christ alone.

He said it at 11:15... "Ordinary people just making it up verses really being led by God". Now your getting it! PLEASE apply this thought to religion in general. (Not just Mormonism).

I’d really love to hear about how he’s doing now. Hope they’re doing well.

@MrJibbyjay

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the well wishes. It's been seven years since we distanced ourselves from religion. We are happy.

Where are these articles? I haven’t heard of them but I’d like to read them. Thank you.

@srso4660

3 жыл бұрын

It's under essays on the church website

@kellyjo675

3 жыл бұрын

@@srso4660 ok thank you. I have a feeling I’m just totally lost. I have no idea what these essays are or even what exactly I’m looking for. I went to the church website (church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) and there was no “essays” link. I’m really trying to educate myself. But unfortunately I’m just lost on this one at the moment.. thank you though 😊

@anybm7329

3 жыл бұрын

@@kellyjo675 you can find them on the Gospel Library app under restoration and church history.

@UnderstandingMormonism

3 жыл бұрын

www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/essays?lang=eng

I was always told it is ok to Doubt,because we all doubt.

Bishop Booth. You can be MY bishop anytime!!

I like your profile pic/logo! Half beehive, half brain 🤗

This same type off issue was (and still is) HUGE for me. I mean.. Really it doesn't seem that complex. "If 150 years of prophets, seers, and revelators can butcher the 'truth' so badly, so consistently, and so flagrantly, how can I know that Rusty is any more 'inspired' than his predecessors?" When combined with me realizing that I would literally use these changes in doctrine as evidence AGAINST the validity of any other church, my shelf broke. The Mormon church is in a truth crisis because it is not true. It's as simple as that.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

First of all, his name isn't Rusty. He's earned through a lifetime of service and accomplishment to be referred to with respect as President Russell M. Nelson. There is not a finer man on the face of the earth, and he's a true prophet of God. Secondly, there is no "Mormon church" - it's the Church of Jesus Christ. Your premises are false. I've been in the Church for 44 years and there have been no changes in doctrine in that time, or before. And I'm glad that the PRACTICES of the Church change according to the current time and needs of the Church and the world. That demonstrates that the Lord knows how to serve his children in all ages of the world. There's no truth crisis in the Church. It's stronger than ever, as evidenced by the growth and activity levels, and the small number of requests for removal of membership, as outlined by Quinton L. Cook's talk in General Conference. There's a lot of other data along these lines.

@guillaumefuqua3040

3 жыл бұрын

It is interesting that you asked the question . " How can I know that Rusty is ...? " If I may suggest that you pray to find the answers that you seek. Most of us are not going to do that. But, I personally know that a person can find these answers to these questions.The questions that we may have, it is only through prayer. I also know that most people will not take the time to find out. So you have to ask for guidance on this type of subject. " Do I really need to know ? " Or is it important enough to get the answers, to such a question ❓ The truth is there . The question is how badly do you want to know ?... I know that you can receive an answer, to any questions you might have . I am personally just a very small person in the sight of our maker. And if he has answered my questions . I am sure you will find the answers to the questions you may have also . But it does take time ⌚ and faith and trust that you can receive the answers to the questions that you may have . In short , it takes a prayerful person ... Searching for the answers . Me too your fellow man , Guillaume

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

@@guillaumefuqua3040 I was a devout mormon for 25 years. I did loads of praying. I literally fasted for days on end. I'm happy to test prayer again as soon as anyone from any religion can answer this: "How can you reliably determine an answer from prayer?" And, to clarify, good feelings? That's not a reliable way to determine truth. Virtually every religion will tell you to pray and if you feel good later, that's their "proof." So if virtually every church, and every major religion are all using the same method (prayer) to get to wildly different answers (Jesus, Vishnu, Allah, and well... the 50,000 versions of Jesus, Vishnu, Allah etc.), it's not reliable. So, if you provide me a methodology that actually makes prayer reliable (consistently yielding true results and consistently eliminating false ones) I'm more than happy to hear it. Frankly, considering the astronomical impact that would have on society, I don't think I'm going to get it from someone in a youtube comment (more likely the news announcing a new Nobel Prize winner), but hey, I could be wrong.

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

@@kelleren4840 You have never been "devout". You never had a "shelf" to break. Stop it. You've been nothing but a fraud in the church. You just took the best available exit ramp and now clutch your pearls and claim an epiphany on truth to make yourself feel and look better about your abject failure as a Mormon.

@kelleren4840

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 lmfao you know John, no matter how many times you copy and paste your same gaslighting dribble, it doesn't make your mind-reading powers any more real. But let's settle this right here and now. I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 1,000,000. Respond and name it, and PROVE you know what I'm thinking. If you do, I will personally start attending the Mormon church again to try and figure out what I apparently missed. But you won't, because you're just a pathetic internet troll. You're not special. You have no mind-reading superpowers. You are just a dime-a-dozen liar who refuses to engage in an honest conversation about the church, and the Mormon church prints out copies of you by the *thousands.* (it's almost like they're incapable of defending themselves honestly. Funny that.) And yet, despite their prevelence, it never ceases to amaze me to see people like you intentionally come to forums dedicated to open and honest dialogue about the Mormon church, with the SPECIFIC intention to lie, gaslight, and cause harm to the people there. You claimed to know I was never a 'true' Mormon. Well, "John", unless you can read my mind (which, we will soon find out), that is a flagrant lie, with no purpose other than to cause harm. It would seem to me that that's EXCELLENT evidence of you being caught red-handed in blatant dishonesty. Considering one of the temple recommend questions is "are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men?" I wonder how you consider *yourself* a 'truly' devout Mormon!! Isn't that funny? A Mormon who is dishonest and, therefore, not temple worthy, crying about how other Mormons weren't 'authentic' in their beliefs. That sir, is some of the richest irony you can ask for. Maybe work on that Matthew 7:5 bit before the next time you go claiming psychic powers you don't have. It'll make you look less like an petulant child with a projection complex.

It was while I was serving in the bishopric that my faith began to crumble. It began with the calling itself. The bishop I served with gave my name to the stake pres and I was interviewed by him. I wondered, if this calling was from God, where was the inspiration. I was once asked by the other bishopric member if I prayed about who I was calling to a specific call. I candidly replied with no. He replied with the same. We would just meet as a bishopric and discuss who would be the best fit. Later on after my calling was finished I had an accident that took me out of work for 3 months. In that 3 months I had time to study. This was in 2012 and it took until 2015 for my shelf to finally collapse. 8 years later I still get triggered but things are much much better. My wife and I are happy and life is good.

Even when exposed to a lot of the falsehood of the Mormonism, most members will remain in the faith because believing is much easier than thinking

Can I have the essays you are talking about? Because I want to lose my testimony or belief too. I can't deny the truthfulness of the doctrine that the Church teaches. Although, I wanna leave the church but I just can't deny it is true. I confessed to my bishop that I wanna leave the church. He laughed at me. And I have feelings that members don't want to see me in the church but I can't deny my testimony.

@blackalien6873

3 жыл бұрын

You could just stop going.

@skhotzim_bacon

3 жыл бұрын

Stay strong friend. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

@skhotzim_bacon

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackalien6873 Yeah because it's so easy to just leave your friends, family and support structure

@blackalien6873

3 жыл бұрын

@@skhotzim_bacon I responded to the OP who seems very much like a troll to me.

@skhotzim_bacon

3 жыл бұрын

@@blackalien6873 I just assume everyone is troll

Imagine as you age, looking back on your life and realizing there never was a good reason to believe in everything that held your faith and took all your time and energy. Then consider what could you have been doing instead. How much of life's other offerings did you miss out on because you were erroneously so invested in something baseless.

Whatever floats your boat Mr. Booth.

What's helped me honestly is accepting that the church's history is, in fact, not squeaky clean. The church has been working to be more transparent in recent years which is awesome, and I welcome it! But for so many years church leaders encouraged a perfectly tidy vision of church history, and it was simply not a complete picture. Prophets were never perfect people, many church leaders have said and done questionable things, members have wrongly acted in the name of the church, and so on. However, the church is in a constant process of receiving revelation to improve upon it's past and to advance forward. I've found comfort in the fact that Christ himself is perfect, and that he chooses to work through imperfect people to build his kingdom. This means that sometimes mistakes are made, people are hurt, and reputations are marred. But this doesn't mean that Christ's gospel is untrue, or that the church he's established on earth is unworthy of our membership. It just means that we still have work to do to learn from the mistakes of our past and the past of the church. My Dad would take me and my brothers and sisters to Church history sites while we were growing up. Plural marriage... Always knew about that. Bank failure in Kirtland... Always knew about that. Problems Saints had with the pro-slavery Missouri militia... Always knew about that. Smith destroying the Expositor, then getting protected and exonerated by the Nauvoo courts, then killed for it... Always knew about that. Young was a controversial leader who harbored racist ideologies while also leading The Saints... Always knew about that. History was part of my life. And I knew about those things when I had a miraculous experience as a teen, and felt the Spirit of God, and knew The Church was true. I still had a hard time as a missionary when I encountered anti-Mormon materials. Some of it is asked in a way that makes the antagonism not necessarily a question that is easy to answer. And sometimes anti-Mormons did not allow an answer, or tried to frame what they expected the answer to be. Sometimes the honest answer is, "I have faith." Sometimes that is the honest answer. I think sometimes Saints think that there is an easy answer for everything, and there isn't and antagonists play that to their advantage. I guess it was and is easier to me because I was exposed to antagonistic material and the more difficult aspects of Church history prior to my conversion. It would probably be harder for someone who was converted, then experienced anti-Mormon material. The scriptures are clear that spiritual things can only truly be understood through a spiritual lens. Take the spiritual lens out of the equation (which is what antagonists do) and it is harder to explain or justify the controversial aspects of Church history. Smiths plural marriages... Taken in the context against Biblical plural marriages is understandable (to me). It was practiced in the Bible. It was practiced by Smith and Young and the early Latter-Day Church. Bank failure in Kirtland.... Smith was trying to help people, and there was a broad global recession at the same time. Lots of banks failed. Smith and many others lost everything with everyone else. Tragic. Sad. But The Church now has safeguards (lol) against recession and financial loss, and the current Church assets have to be understood against Church history of The Church being destitute in Kirtland, assets taken in Missouri, and assets left in Illinois. Smith translating The Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham... Smith had power and spiritual insights and gifts you and I and Egyptologists or antagonists to The Church do not have access to-- or really an understanding of (without a spiritual lens). If you want to know The Book of Mormon is true then you have to pray to God. That is where the spiritual answer to the Book of Mormon is found. That is not an answer that satisfies many antagonists to The Church. Despite my sincere efforts to understand Jesus Christ, I find myself facing questions from others who interpret the Bible differently. As for how it all ends, I believe it remains a mystery until God chooses to reveal it. Until then, the quest for understanding continues. Imagine having a personal spiritual experience, feeling its goodness deeply within yourself, only to have someone else speak against it. In such moments, it may seem as though the very essence of what you felt or believed in-the spirit-has been called into question. This raises profound questions: Is God truly real? Could it be that the spirit is deceiving us? Do we genuinely experience the love of God? If God will punish me of believing on something is not true or believe someone saying something that you belong in a wrong faith. So be it!

@blusheep2

3 ай бұрын

I respect your take on the issues with Joseph Smith but the problem is that scripture warns us that there will be those that will claim to have done all these things for the church, including prophecy and Christ will say He doesn't know them. The reason for this is actually found in the preceding verses where it says you will know them by their fruits. So if you look at the prophets of old, which ones had that kind of soiled background. David screwed up and did a really bad thing but he was confronted by a prophet, repented, and became one of the best kings, and Bible contributors ever. We can read about his repentance in his own words. "Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me." Psalm 51 Joseph Smith wasn't a "prophet" that just made some mistakes here and there. He had a life that was characterized by bad fruit. He is visited by an angel when he was 15 yet he still defrauded men as a treasure hunter. He supposedly received the plates yet transcribed them by the same seer stone he used in the treasure hunting scam. As you said, he ran a ponzi scheme illegal bank. Created a security force that tore down a press for exposing his polygamy. Lied to his wife about those affairs. Used predator tactics against at least one of his young wives. Scammed a walking on water scene as retold by 2 mormons and the kids that foiled the plan, taught biblical heresy when he said that you will become a God, and finally. The polygamy issue. First, the Hebrews didn't practice polygamy. The kings did and that had a cultural reason behind it. When alliances were made, one of two things happened. Either the stronger party took a "hostage" from the kings family into their palace or the king was given a wife. So when the Bible speaks of Solomons hundreds of wives, it isn't trying to teach you to be polygamous. It is telling you how wise and and successful Solomon was. That being said, it isn't the polygamy that was the real issue. It was that he took many of his wives while lying to Emma about them and without her knowledge. When he was exposed his wife absolutely hated it but she wasn't about to give up her position so she tolerated it. Later he married sisters and he married woman that were other men's wives. But the grossest thing is that he played the predator on a young woman. This is all recorded in the Mormon biography of Joseph Smith, "Rough Stone Rolling." He approaches the girl with a gift from God. She refuses. He promises her family will be guaranteed paradise. She refuses. He goes away for a time and comes back about a month later. He says its her last chance. She says no. He says if she says no then her family will lose access to paradise. She says no. He says to her that she will change her mind and with the thought of damning her parents from reward she accepts which results in her getting shuffled through numerous men throughout her life. This is textbook predator. The Bank failure wasn't just a mismanagement of a business. It was a ponzi scheme. He lied to his own people by telling them the bank had backing for their notes. They didn't. The clerk later wrote that they had boxes and boxes with glass tops they would show prospective clients. Through the glass you could see silver coins and the boxes were heavy. The clerk said they were filled up with sand with a couple layers of coin on top. The man outright scammed people and when the government came down on him for an illegal bank, everyone lost their money. The translations also have their own problems. First, its quite convenient that the plates go missing but he transcribed it from behind a sheet. He says that is was so that no one would see the text that wasn't supposed to be translated, but we all know it was in "reformed Egyptian," which is a language that NOBODY knew then or today. So why worried about someone seeing the text? The BoA is a fraud. He told people it said a certain thing and it didn't. Its said that there were other scrolls involved. Ok, maybe, but the ones we know about he lied about. They are common funerary texts from Egypt. I referenced a story about walking on water. This story is recorded from the perspective of two mormons and one non-mormon. The two Mormons tell us in their journals about a sermon Joseph gave about faith. They said he wanted to demonstrate that faith down at the river the next day. They all met him down their and he preceded to walk on water as he taught about faith. At the apex of his walk he nestle plunges into the water. When he comes out, he blames them for having bad faith instead of his faith failing. The non-Mormon story goes like this. As boys two kids were told by their father, who didn't trust the Mormons, to watch what they were doing. They were playing on the other side of the river when they spied out Joseph and two of his men building a platform under the water with hemlock. They thought it would be funny to remove some of the planks after they left and did just that. They came back the next day and watched Jo take the plunge. This isn't half of it. All of it written about in Rough Stone Rolling except for the last story. Joseph did not bear the fruit of a man of God. Now the response is that we shouldn't rely on these things but on feelings we believe are generated from the Holy Spirit. That we should just have faith sometimes. That isn't relying on faith. That is putting on blinders. God Bless. I'm not a hater but a warner. I think you love God but at some point you have to call a spade a spade and return to the real Jesus. Not the one that is a brother of Lucifer who was kicked out of heaven for wanting to become a god.

Truly enjoyed this! I grew up in the Methodist religion with a little Catholicism on the side but always had questions, never understood what they were talking about and always knew myself to be good and only good - never a sinner as they tried to teach. Eventually, I came to a point in my life where I was seriously depressed and nothing was working and I had to set out on my own with no support from friends, family, and least of all religion. As I have stayed committed to my own goals with my own understanding, I have been supported by life (or the universe, as I like to say) and received my own gifts and revelations and I couldn't be stronger or happier. I believe that anyone who questions what they've been taught and seeks their own best answers is truly blessed. All our answers are already within us is what I have found and life is what you make it. Love to you and thank you for sharing your story .

@GlowingMpd

3 жыл бұрын

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I don't get it. Nephi and the Lamanites were supposed to be in the Americas ca. 600 BC. But there were already dark skinned people all over the world by then. Even Jeremiah, who lived at virtually the same time, wrote "Can an Ethiopian change his skin?" Did the curse operate retroactively, spreading throughout the world?! This alone should demonstrate the preposterousness of the Book of Mormon.

@joelgoldsmith4747

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah.....you're right and exact. Delving deeper into the history of the Bible and its history - makes this to be purely nonsensical !!🤔🤔🤔

@GlowingMpd

3 жыл бұрын

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I lived among the Saints nearly50 years ago. I’ve ever met a kinder people.

On my faith .to heavenly father and jesus christ.i dnt need any church toxic .

I have so many thoughts, so I’ll just touch on a couple. First, the LDS church is not true; Joseph Smith was a “treasure hunter” for hire with his “seer stone”. He was found guilty of fraud for that when some of the people he charged to search for treasure on their property sued when he would drag out the searches as long as possible while getting paid, until they finally cut him off. There are so many issues with Joseph Smith, many outlined in the CES letters which are available but deeply buried on the official LDS web-site. Another issue is the nature of cults. Cults cut their adherents off from any “non-believers”; they do all they can to limit sources of information to the leaders and official teachings; they punish with all possible severity any who question their teachings or authority - usually utilizing some form of shunning to punish and separate questioners from the faithful. Does any of this sound familiar? Please do not be offended that I label LDS a cult, it’s not with animosity or prejudice; it is simply a result of the issues outlined in the CES letters, the cult-like practices and the non-Christian theology. The third topic is sexuality. The Bible says that in heaven none are married or given in marriage, but LDS teaching is in eternal, plural marriages and planet development and population through these spirit children. So, for the Mormons, being gay (I know you identify as bi) is anathema because you don’t desire marriage to a opposite sex partner and therefore procreation would be either impossible or very unpleasant. For men, sexuality is baked in; we don’t get to “choose” who makes our heart race and our thoughts turn to Jello, it just is part of who we are. If you bi-sexual, you do get to choose to ignore one gender and select a life-mate from the other. Many, many primarily-gay men have gotten married to a woman to hide their true feelings and to please family and society - that often ends in disaster, with divorce and children growing up without one parent. Women are different in this regard, from my observation, in that they seem to be much more sexually fluid. Women with homosexual desires often will have a few partners, switching genders occasionally. Not all women are fluid in this manner, but it is common for women and quite uncommon for men. Sorry for the short book, but there are so many important issues brought to the fore by this video.

This guy experienced a loss of faith. But what about his Testimony? Does he now understand this subjective religious experience is worthless. Before the internet era, I highlighted many historical and factual information to LDFS Missionaries who dismissed what I said simply as anti-Mormon propaganda. ( I often wonder what they think now). Even though I showed them information from LDS Church publications, including copies of the first edition of the Book of Mormon, they struggled to comprehend the significance of it all. They were very nice, but deluded people.

@davidjanbaz7728

3 жыл бұрын

Yes ,and the temple rituals keep them Spiritual blind to the true Gospel of Christ. Check out Dr.Michael Heiser PhD videos on the real meaning of Gen.1:26 and Psalm 82 also the Jewish trinity.

@ewankerr3011

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 : The "true" gospel of Jesus Christ. Now where have I heard that before. So many groups claim to have the "true" gospel.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

This is rubbish. I have a first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon, and unless you're some kind of hardened skeptic, reading it will build your faith and testimony, as it did mine. This is the copy that was the instrument of the conversion of some of the greatest men and women in modern times, including Hyrum Smith, Eliza R. Snow, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Mary Woodruff, Parley P. Pratt, W.W. Phelps, and the list goes on and on and on. John Taylor, among many of the others, was a very well educated man. When he read this same first edition Book of Mormon he immediately recognized, through the Holy Ghost, it's truthfulness. And your claim about the Internet is also baloney. The Internet has done more for the spread of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints than any other technological development in our age. Out of courtesy we won't go there on the issue of who is deluded...

@ewankerr3011

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeterson6174 : The Book of Mormon contradicts current LDS teaching. It is clear from the witness statements that Joseph Smith's belief about the Godhead was a mixture of Trinitarianism and modalism and very different from his later theology. Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Mormon from the 'gold plates' which were returned to heaven. So without the gold plated, how could he or anyone else make theological changes to the 'most accurate book ' ever? Perhaps the great and the good you mention would not have been so quick to believe the book if they had been aware of the complete lack of evidence in support of it. I wonder why they did not believe in the works of Brewster or Strang who also "translated" ancient records.

@michaelpeterson6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@ewankerr3011 You are completely mistaken. I've probably read the Book of Mormon through over 30 times in my lifetime - a lifetime of deep study. It IS the source of our teaching and theology, and hardly contracts it. You are referring in the witness statement to the final phrase "which is one God." That means one God in purpose - and if you cross-reference that phrase you will find it in scores of passages across the Old and New Testament, all with the same meaning. When the Prophet said the Book of Mormon was "the most correct of any book on earth" it means the doctrine and teachings are correct. The Book had to be translated into English and grammatical and other semantic adjustments naturally made. This was done under the direction of living prophets of God over years. But this takes nothing away from the book as scripture, which is why you can feel the Holy Ghost as much reading a first edition Book of Mormon as you can reading a current edition.

I'm a moari who is brown and I'm proud to say I was attacked by kids in school cause of my brown skin and called a nigga everyday. I didnt take it out on white people. I respect and love them like I love other darkskin people. We r 1 and we stand in 1ness and love

@abi1021

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh that sucks. I’m sorry people wwre so awful to you. Good for you standing strong!! Most people are good

Revelation is an ongoing thing. Man does not create reality. God does. We must seek to understand god and not force our views on his reality. Regardless. Props to this guy.