I think Eli is criminally underrated. Yes, he threw some boneheaded interceptions and was not the most consistent regular season QB. However, he was good enough to get you to the playoffs then great enough to get you all the way. He was extremely clutch when it mattered most. The fact that he defeated Brady twice in the big game is incredible. Not only that, he beat Favre, Rodgers, and loaded Cowboy and 49er teams on the road to make it to the big game. If the Giants gave him a better offensive line in the back end of his career and more stability in general, I think he could've won a third ring.

@adecentyoutuber7407

Жыл бұрын

@Slywerk all great points. People tend to forget Peyton actually threw like 7 ints that postseason(he had a negative TD-Pick ratio). While Peyton is an all time great, I believe Eli also could've won with Indy. He also could've won with the Denver teams Peyton had towards the end of his career.

@adecentyoutuber7407

Жыл бұрын

@Slywerk didn't take it as hate at all! You're 100% right. I feel like the Giants under Coughlin were the biggest overachievers and the biggest underachievers at times lol.

@tracywarren7332

Жыл бұрын

Bad o line and no running game to finish out his career

@adecentyoutuber7407

Жыл бұрын

@@tracywarren7332 Correct and coaching issues. If Barkley and Daboll had arrived earlier, Eli would've had a few more good seasons.

@volourn9764

Жыл бұрын

Also, a good number of ints were the fault of the receivers. I rememeber one so called INT the pas was completed to Odell who had the ball STOLEN but since the ball was not fumbled it was ruled an interception. L0L

You can’t spell ELITE without ELI.🏈🏈🏆🏆🥈🥈

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Or eliminated. Did you forget about the other 4 times he was in the playoffs: 4 games 4 losses 3 blowouts 1 shutout A combined 3 TDs, 7 ints, 1 game over 169 yards.

@bboy2369

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 still won 2 Super Bowls so that doesn’t matter

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@bboy2369Eli may have been on two Super Bowl winning teams, but don't kid yourself into thinking the Giants won because of him. He was literally carried by the defense.

@startrakambassador3632

10 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194defense helps championship teams, but offense wins championships.

@tomknapp6194

10 ай бұрын

@@startrakambassador3632 Eli literally never beat a single playoff team that scored more than 20 points. In fact, the defense held all 8 teams to an average of 15.1 point/game and the opposing QB to a an average passer rating of 74. When when those same team scored 45, 31, 35, 38, 27, and 35 points against the same defense in the regular season and 5 of those QBs had passer ratings of 110+. And despite what the defense did, Eli still barely managed to win 5/8 of those games. Don't pretend it was Eli. It was almost 100% defense. There is nothing special about Eli.

Eli had the perfect personality for the New York area as long as you had other leaders on the team. Nothing phased him. His brother was the best regular season QB ever, but he let the pressure of post season get to him. Eli had two playoffs runs that were off the charts. He beat a 15-1 Rogers on the road. Farve in extreme temps on the road. A great defensive team in San Fran on the road. Brady twice in the Super Bowl. Also, beat Romo on the road when Romo probably had his best season. He didn't let the pressure get to him. He got the most out of his talent.

@volourn9764

Жыл бұрын

Peyton won 2 titles, and reached the super bowl 4 times. He also did well vs Brady in the playoffs. This idea that Peyton 'choked' is silly.

@Daniel-sh3os

Жыл бұрын

@@volourn9764 The idea that he did as well as Brady in postseason is silly. Brady had a much better postseason record than Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning had a much better winning percentage during the regular season and stats during the regular season compared to his postseason record.

@volourn9764

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-sh3os I didnt say he did as well as Brady in the post season. clearly, Brady is the bestest. But, head to head? Their playoff records arent as one sided as many claim. I mean, Brady has 7 championships and 10 super bowl appearances. Nobody matches that. You do realize that regualr season stats are misleading since those include games against bottom feeders, right? You aint facing 2-14 teams in the playoffs. Look at Brady's best offensive season and comapre it to how he did during the playoffs. Playing the Giants in the super bowl is way different than him playing some bottom feeding team that is 2-14 in the regular season.

@Daniel-sh3os

Жыл бұрын

@@volourn9764 I didn't say Peyton choked in the playoffs. I say he didn't play as well in the playoffs. He was 14-13 in the playoffs and he had a better record against playoff teams during the regular season than that winning percentage.

@Jtevkicksandcards

11 ай бұрын

Facts I love Eli

Every year Manning would average 4000 yards around 30 touchdowns 60 some odd percent never miss a game and put up some big numbers in the Big Apple where most quarterbacks go to die

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

And was still below the NFL average passer rating for 9 of his 16 years. That's over half. In 5 of his other 7 years, he was above the NFL average by 3.8 or less. He literally put up big numbers through a lot of attempts. His yards/attempt and TD percentage are abysmal for the league he played in.

@pennystocklocks

7 ай бұрын

We had a alot of bad years...Garbage time stats

@SakAttack87

4 ай бұрын

Drove down the field twice in the SB against the greatest dynasty of this era and got his team to the end zone for the victory. All that matters .

@Griffinex

3 ай бұрын

@@SakAttack87 I disagree even after the 2 victories what happened to him, he got benched and benched for a good reason under a bad coach but end result his QB play was sub par. No matter how you look at it yeah 2 Super Bowl are great but 14 years where 2 of em you get benched and got your head coach fired still ain’t great

@michaelfedak2144

Ай бұрын

@@GriffinexEli was playing great in the 2 games before he got benched. He had thrown for over 300 yds both games. His teams were bad his last 5 years. Obj was going on IR and they were playing guys from the practice squad many games.

People seem to forget that Eli never had the consistent coaching ( end of career ), offensive line, running backs, and receivers. Eli threw 27 ints because he literally had no time to let receivers routes develop. Eli did not play with hall of fame offensive players like Peyton. The season that Eli had a lot of success you could tell he was extremely talented.

@billyfraiser6298

Жыл бұрын

" Eli did not play with hall of fame offensive players like Peyton". That's because Peyton made them HOF. This is one reason I consider Peyton one of the greatest of all time. He made the rest of the team amazing. I'm a Giants fan and watched Eli's entire career. Eli has consistent coaching, OL, RBs and Receivers for AT LEAST 12 out of his 16 years. I know you wrote "end of career"....but 3 full seasons and 4 games, isn't really noteworthy, for the point you're trying to make. His career was solidified by then. Then you bring up his 27 ints. Sorry, but 27 ints is a lot. Lots of other QB have terrible receivers and OL, and they aren't throwing 27ints. There have been 6 instances since 2000 that a QB has thrown 25+ int in a season. Eli Manning is the only one to do it twice. You don't have to make excuses for Eli, to try and defend his greatest. Accept him for who he was... for the type of player he was. He was a very inconsistent QB, who didn't put up big stats. He finished his career with a .500 record and threw a lot of ints. His completion percentage was meh. BUT I would put him top 3 (EASILY!!!!) most clutch QB of all-time. And not just because of those SBs. Remember, I watched his entire career. His entire career, watching him play inside the 2 minute warning (before half, and end of game), was like watching the greatest football player of all-time. I had no doubt, he would march down field and score. And he scored TDs! He didn't always have to rely on his kicker to get him the win (Like Tom Brady has done in his career). It was so strange, watching Eli and Peyton. Watching Eli in the postseason/within 2 minutes, was like watching Peyton during the regular season. Then watching Peyton in the playoffs, was like watching Eli in the regular season.

@rjmzz430

Жыл бұрын

Eli didn't need coaching he needed an O line swear Erik Flowers tried to get him killed!.....Even at his waning days he was better than most! #10 best Giant QB in history of the franchise so far! First ballot HOF without a doubt!

@olsailordan

Жыл бұрын

FACTS!!!

@juddzimmermann328

Жыл бұрын

yeah his pocket time was pretty non existent.

@volourn9764

Жыл бұрын

Eli won two super bowls with basically two different line ups. Onlt things the remained the same was him and the coach. A coach who couldnt win without ELi.

He is a HOF no doubt

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

Below average QB carried by the defense.

@reddays8448

3 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194he’s. Of below average he had no good o line for most of his career and also if they let tom manage the team like a GM he would’ve had the same success he had with jaguars

Eli also never missed a day's pay until Mcadope pulled him for Gino Smith. There is only a handful of QB'S you want in crunch time Eli is one of them. Especially on the road.

@charlesmountain7702

Жыл бұрын

Eli Manning never played an at home playoff game.

@zack9777

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesmountain7702 um yes he did, the 2012 Wildcard run against the Alanta falcons

@charlesmountain7702

Жыл бұрын

Well i guess one than...@@zack9777

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Eli had a career passer rating of 84.1, which was below the NFL average. His 4th quarter is 83.8, which is below his already below average passer rating. His literally the beneficiary of misleading headlines. He wasn't that good.

@jacksonpierre3535

11 ай бұрын

​@@tomknapp6194 not that good doesn't get you two super bowl wins and mvps period.

He dropped it down the chimney during crunch times against TB and company. Twice. Thank you, Eli. Patriot killer. He's a shoe in...

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

I guess that the Giants defense holding the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their average had nothing to do with those narrow wins.....

@josho7502

Жыл бұрын

​@@tomknapp6194 qbs with all the credit when things go right and all the blame when things go wrong

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@josho7502 Except for Eli. It is the reverse with him. When he loses anything and everything is blamed, except for the QB. When he wins, even if it was the defense, he is given all the credit.

@josho7502

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 eli was definitely blamed a lot

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@josho7502 Blamed a lot? That is a joke.

He was clutch af and good enough to win 2 rings making him better than most.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the way Eli held Brady to 23 and 15 points below his average and still needed lucky plays for a narrow win is absolutely incredible.

@Moshuun

11 ай бұрын

Especially with those rings being over Brady.

What impressed me was he was an iron man. The guy never missed a game and played hurt. I was hoping he was going to be the consecutive games streak held by Favre

@audieconrad8995

Жыл бұрын

He would've if it hadn't been for the knucklehead coach...

@tillerphil4769

Жыл бұрын

He would have beaten it if not for their dumbshit coach benching him like 2 games before it or whatever it was I think Eli should still get it honestly he got benched for 1 game by a 1st year head coach who got fired that same year lol I mean that's pretty fucked up

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@audieconrad8995 Or the knuckleheaded QB..... Oh, wait! That was Eli! lol

@tomknapp6194

11 ай бұрын

Someting to think about... As a student, you can have perfect attendance and still have a C average.

@jackgajda7275

9 ай бұрын

He should have beat Favre's streak but the GM at the time must have been a Favre fan and wouldn't let it happen....

Most clutch QB of all time according to the metrics espn used to rank all qbs.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how a QB that had an 83.8 passer rating in the 4th quarter could even come remotely close to be called clutch. They are probably ignoring a whole lot of the bad things Eli has done.

@Piffaroni718

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 that's a big part of the equation. Mediocre in the reg season and excellent in the post season. The article is from 2015 so maybe he's not #1 all time anymore

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

​@@Piffaroni718 That might make sense, except Eli has been to the playoffs outside of 07 and 11. 4 playoffs. 4 games. 4 losses. 3 blowouts. 1 shutout Combined for 3 TDs, 7 ints, 1 game over 169 yards. I don't think that anyone ever considers those games when talking about how clutch Eli is.

@elitemanning_2-0

8 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 ask brady if im clutch or not

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

@@elitemanning_2-0 If Brady had just an average day, Eli's 17 and 19 points would be blowouts. It had almost nothing to do with Eli.

Eli was an average QB who became super human in the Playoffs. His Manningham throw in SB 46 is the greatest pass completion in NFL history. Given the stakes, the precision, the gamble and the pressure at that point in the game, he solidified his status as a Hall of Famer by that pass alone.

Eli will always be my favorite player he is by far HOF for sure and a top 20 QB. But, What’s interesting is before he became a clutch QB when needed. At the VERY start of his career many giants fans wanted him gone I think it’s something a lot of people forget. I still do believe to this day that if he had the right o-line he could of gotten one more ring towards the end of his career

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Top 20 QB? He was an average 18th during his time of play. That's not even the top half of active players, much less top 20 of all time.

@frank_in_s_jersey

4 ай бұрын

He’s still top ten career passing yards and TD passes. Above names like Elway, Warner and Montana. How’s he not a top 20? Maybe look at the numbers.

Eli is a top 20 QB that has ever played the game, and people will try to tell you that’s a bad thing.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Top 20? His average passer rating was 18th, which wasn't even the top half of the time he played. Try again.

@GiantsFan1734

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 can you just go to sleep and not wake up?

@ItsVes999

Жыл бұрын

Top 200 maybe lol. Eli was fucking garbage

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@GiantsFan1734 Come on! I destroyed your opinion of Eli! Come back with something! lol The bottom line is that you can't. He wasn't that good.

@GiantsFan1734

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 spend some more time throwing axes or doing something productive instead of trying to discredit another man who accomplished more in one day than you ever did in your sorry life. Have a good night!

It's very simple. Can you sccurately tell the story of the history of the NFL without Eli Manning? With two SB wins and MVPs against the greatest dynasty and QB in NFL history, the answer is no, you cannot. That alone is why Eli will get into thr HOF. Having top 10 stats doesn't hurt, either.

@JeremiahDoctsonFitness

Жыл бұрын

Agree with this it's exactly what I tell my friends

@charlesmountain7702

Жыл бұрын

If it wasn't for Eli we would never hear the end of how great that "undefeated" Patriot team was...

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesmountain7702 With the way Brady played that day, a lot of QBs could have beaten him.

@Matt90541

5 ай бұрын

Can you tell the story of the history of the NFL without Nick Foles or Jeff Hostetler? No, you can't....and it doesn't matter. Neither of those guys will be in the Hall and Eli won't be either. Backup level QBs like Eli don't get into the HOF.

@Soxruleyanksdrool

5 ай бұрын

@CAtoDC It's not that Eli merely won a superbowl like other QBs have. It's that. Eli and the Giants won two superbowls on the biggest stage, in front of the whole country, against auguably the greatest QB and the greatest dynasty in the history of the NFL. And it was when Brady and the Pats were at the peak of their greatness. And the first one ended the Pat' perfect season. You can leave out guys like Foles and Doug Williams, but what Eli and the Giants did is too epic to be left out. No one who appreciates football would leave that out. And as far goes as the HOF, are you aware that every single 2-time SB winning QB is in the Hall? Eli has that AND 2 SB MVPs. He's definitely getting in the hall.

As a giant fan we were so spoiled by Eli. Dude never missed a snap and we always had a chance to win the game with the ball in his hands. Currently the exact opposite is happening.

2 superbowl mvps, 2-0 against the brady-belichick patriots in the superbowl, legendary playoff upsets, way above average ammount of 4th quarter game winning drives…and he would have been so much more if he was given a decent O-line and more targets post 2012 (and better coaching also). Definitely hall of fame caliber

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

If it was Eli, please tell me what it was about his 17 and 19 points that overcame the average that the Patriots had of 37 and 32 in each of those years.

@Diegobrinter

Жыл бұрын

​@@tomknapp6194 obviously defense played great in both games, but 17 and 19 outscoring brady against a belichick led defense in the superbowl including clutch game winning drives in both games is still impressive, and gets even more impressive when you consider the entire playoff runs...

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@Diegobrinter Eli was carried both runs. The Giants defense allowed an average of just over 15 points/game and none over 20 points even when those same teams destroyed the Giants defense earlier in both seasons. And Eli still needed lucky last second plays for narrow wins. If all those teams just score their average through 16 games, Eli goes 2-6. Does that sound like the QB did all the heavy lifting or the defense?

@elitemanning_2-0

8 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 no superbowl mvp?

Eli was a lot better than people think. I love Eli but he was never the elite of the elite like his brother, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. He did have his moments in which he was better or at the same level as a Big Ben and Rivers. Certainly a HOFamer in my book.

@jayanthsambaraju6562

Жыл бұрын

He was the reason that the giants won 2 Super Bowls as wild cards and he’s the mvp in both. And his non Super Bowl years he didn’t have much help cause all his good wrs (burress, Cruz and odell) all got injured or shot themselves in the foot (literally). his o line was not good at all even in his Super Bowl runs. Run game was on and off and defenses were not good (they did step up when it mattered tho). He was never at the level of brady his brother rodgers brees etc. but he was able to elevate the talent around him to win when it mattered. Giants traded for him to win Super Bowls and he did just that. Hall of fame worthy, not first ballot but def deserves a gold jacket.

@CacophonyOfDestruction

Жыл бұрын

Well Eli beat Brady both times they met in the super bowl. Eli tied Peyton with two super bowl wins a piece. But Eli had two super bowl mvp awards to Peyton's one. Big Ben also had two super bowl rings but only one super bowl mvp as well. With Ben having the lowest passer rating for a winning QB in a super bowl for one of them. And Brees and Rodgers only won one super bowl ring each. At least for now since Rodgers is still active. So as a Giants fan I would take Eli all over again and keep both super bowl wins and super bowl mvps in a heartbeat. Philip Rivers the QB traded for Eli in the draft had zero super bowl appearances despite having a good career stats wise. It's all a matter of what stats do you believe show the true value of the QB. Others QB's had better stats and were much more consistent over there careers than Eli for sure. But I'll take the two rings and super bowl mvps Eli brought to the Giants and never look back. Eli when surrounded by a capable team that's wasn't badly injured had a knack for pulling off 4th quarter comebacks and absolutely miraculous plays when it mattered most. As a Giants fan it was a joy to watch. The helmet catch, Burress lob, Manningham sideline catch and so many others were incredibley exciting moments to watch live as a fan. Wouldn't trade those memories for anything. In my opinion Eli belongs in the HOF in Canton one day. If people hadn't talked so much smack about Eli from day one in the NFL and Eli wasn't constantly compared to his super human brother Peyton all the time... I believe Eli's career would probably be remembered in a much better light.

@charlesmountain7702

Жыл бұрын

NY Giant Football has always meant strong O line and run game with solid to exceptional defense. Eli showed up for every game over 12+ seasons.

@l.a.9056

Жыл бұрын

As a Giants fan, I completely agree

@bigtuna2567

Жыл бұрын

People seem to forget that Eli never had the consistent coaching ( end of career ), offensive line, running backs, and receivers. Eli threw 27 ints because he literally had no time to let receivers routes develop. Eli did not play with hall of fame offensive players like Peyton. The season that Eli had a lot of success you could tell he was extremely talented.

Still holding all-time Playoff records

@MrPink-zw4ho

Жыл бұрын

That's because he rarely got there.

@frankguidera6828

Жыл бұрын

@@MrPink-zw4ho made the most of his opportunities stop subtracting from Eli Manning he's an all-time great

@tillerphil4769

Жыл бұрын

@@MrPink-zw4ho yeah his dogshit team barely ever got there lol

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Eli has the most passing yards in a postseason for one reason only. He played 4 games. Most of the best QBs only have a chance at 3 games. So, let's be fair and compare the average totals of all QBs that played 3 or 4 games. If Eli is so great, you should have no problem with that. But, when it comes to yards/game, Eli falls to 14th. His yards/attempt are 19th. Brady was within 100 yards of Eli's record twice. In only 3 games. 2 others were within reach also. Eli is literally a below average QB that was carried through 2 postseasons by the defense and was given the MVP for 1 pass attempt per game. The defense did all the heavy lifting and got screwed.

@frankguidera6828

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 just when I thought I heard the last of your dumbass you keep going

Eli should be a HOFer off of the 49ers playoff game alone. That 49ers defense beat him to hell….and he kept getting back up. It was amazing to watch!!!

He did alot of this with a re loving door of wr rb and te around him. Then when our OL retired and we had Swiss cheese to guard him he still played decent despite getting sacked and hit the most in the league and still showed up to play next game. He is a honorable, strong willed, talented man. I miss seeing him play.

I will note, completion percentage might not be the best thing to look at when trying to compare these guys. For a lot of his career, Eli was running and offense that featured a huge amount of deep routes. The expected completion percentage on those kinds of routes . . . well, it's not great. It was very different from today's NFL offenses, which typically prefer short passes with high expected completion rates that open receivers up to get yards after the catch. So just looking at Eli's completion rate compared with QBs in the modern era isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison. Either way, though, excellent video. It's always interesting to see these kinds of historical looks at players.

@volourn9764

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Its why I didnt mind his ints because when the pass completed that's a lot of chunk. I noted this plenty late in his career that while pass % of his went up their success became less likely because they were all dinky throws and relied too much on hit or miss running game. Eli is definitely a gunslinger. Let him sling it. I can live with an int per ger game and 'low end' pass % if he's getting big chunks of yards per pass. l0l Go 1/3 with the one completed pass being a 25 yard gain. Yes, please.

@CharlieTWilbury

4 ай бұрын

The Gilbride system with its multiple route tree options was a boom/ bust system. It was actually a better system for Manning than the short passing more simplified system of later years.

I miss the days watching the giants play. Eli would always pull off the 4th quarter comebacks

Top 10 quarterback of all time where it really counts

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, top 10 passer rating once in 16 years. Not that great of a QB.

@frankguidera6828

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 wow you're a dope and you have no respect for anyone you Godless loser

@frankguidera6828

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 I asked you 15 times to leave me alone you still keep going that shows how much little man you are

@frankguidera6828

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 if Eli Manning is average then you are dogshit

@frankguidera6828

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 😂

Anyone who says Eli isn't a Hall of Famer didn't pay attention in class. No one would deny that John Elway is a HOFer, and Eli has better stats in almost every category than Elway does.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Are you seriously comparing a QB from the 80-90's to a QB in today's pass happy friendly league? The rules and equipment are vastly different to allow QBs to perform much better. Let's put this in perspective. One of Eli's best years was 2015 with a 93.6 passer rating. And that put him at 13th. Take that passer rating back to 1995 it is something like 5th best. Go back to 1980 and it is the best PR for the year. It is actually kind of insulting to compare Elway to Eli and say that Eli is only slightly better. Eli should be A LOT better, but he isn't.

@wuphat

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 And still better than Elway in nearly every cumulative and proportional statistical category. IOW, not only did Eli compile more stats than Elway, the rate at which he did so was better than Elway. Don't hate the messenger because you don't like the message and don't hate the message because it challenges your preconception.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@wuphat Nothing to hate, but there is a learning lesson here. Do you really think it is accurate to compare QBs that didn't even play in the same decade?

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@wuphat Also, is there anything special or outstanding about this group: Ryan Tannehill, Chad Pennington, Carson Palmer, Jameis Winston, Daunte Culpepper, Baker Mayfield, Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, Trent Green, David Garrard, Case Keenum, Jay Cutler, Rich Gannon, Sam Bradord, and Marc Bulger. Any of them that you think was a great QB or belongs in the HoF?

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Please come back with something to support your OPINION so that I can destroy it with FACTS! lololololololololol

His dad was one of my heroes when I was a young Mississippi boy, and Eli always reminded me of him. He and his Dad are my favorite Mannings.

The Giants were extremely patient with him given his brother's and dad's success. He was mentored by Kurt Warner in his first year too. The Giants' defenses were built for the playoffs back then and underrated. If he got the same treatment as Rex Grossman shortly after the Bears went to the Super Bowl with the 2nd most improved offense in the league (him being the only significant change), he's probably traded to another team

My all time favorite QB!!!!!!!

@josephlinnell9855

Жыл бұрын

A toss up between Phil and Eli. Only because Phil was my childhood and like Eli a tough SOB unlike Eli who would let you know if he was pissed off. Love em both

I was never a Giants fan , but I found myself rooting for Eli every time I watched him play , it was really great to see him win big after Tiki Barber quit playing

Peyton is 6’ 5” and Eli is 6’ 4”. Peyton is 1 inch taller.

Eli is definitely a top 20 quarterback of all time and one of the Mount Rushmore players in the history of the New York Football Giants, he’s a Hall of Famer, question is whether he’ll be a first ballot or not. Of his era I’d put him in the same tier as the other two QBs of his draft class (Rothlisberger & Rivers), but he was never close to big bro Peyton or GOATman Brady (Who is though?), Brees, or Rodgers, at least in the regular season that is. Playoff Eli was a real thing and boy was he spectacular. Strahan & them boys definitely did there part, especially in the first super bowl run, but New York doesn’t win those Super Bowls without Eli’s fourth quarter heroics.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

I can put Eli in a group of 15 other QBs that were average by all standards and Eli still isn't top 10. How can you think that he is top 10 all time when he isn't even top 10 in a group of 15 other QBs that no one would put in the HoF.

@elitemanning_2-0

8 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 14 that lose to tom brady? when i beat him EZ

Eli gets ripped for having a career .500 record, but the dude showed up in the absolute biggest moments and came through… against a couple of the best Defenses in *NFL History* on the biggest stage, no less. Two Super Bowl wins in 2 appearances is a better Super Bowl winning percentage than both Peyton and* Tom Brady 😂. He took mediocre teams to the mountain top, and in crunch time, he* was the difference. I’ve got a lot of respect for Eli.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Are you saying that 2-0 (while being carried by the defense) in the SB is more indicative of his career than 117-117 against what amounts to the average NFL QB?

@elitemanning_2-0

8 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 2-0 over brady* this you rn >

From an eagles fan I personally grew to love Eli after he retired, I did always respect him, he was just tough. Non biased rankings make me wanna put him somewhere in the top 15-20 range and that’s without me doing the list. And that’s no shade to Eli there just definitely are QBs I’d rank over him no question. But if I needed a QB to show up in the playoffs I got my money on Eli showing up before a lot of the other guys I might say are better than him. Underrated because he was forced to be in Payton’s shadow, but still great, clutch, and tough. Big respect to Eli.

The thing about Eli Manning is every time he was out on the field. You just couldn’t help but bite your nails and wonder what kind of Eli Manning showed up today. but it did beat the Pats twice in the Super Bowl so my hat will always be off

He’s a HOF. Still in the top ten all time passing yards and TDs along with two Super Bowl MVPs. Kurt Warner can’t boast that and he’s in the Hall. Eli belongs there.

Eli Manning is was good..he did accomplish what he set out to do.. win a super bowl the way he won them was Awsome...keep up the great work

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

His goal was to be below average and carried by the defense?

If he hadn't beat the Patriots, they would be considered the best team ever. So he basically beat the best team ever.

I love Eli, he brought me two memories that I will never forget even if I get dimentia. But part of me wonders if Philip Rivers would have done better on that team. Would we have gotten more than 2? Or none at all? We’ll never know. After all, where a QB goes is a large part of their success, and Philip Rivers is probably a hall of farmer without the super bowls yet we debate if Eli is a hall of famer WITH two super bowls. Food for thought.

Most fourth quarter TD’s in 2011 should be mentioned as well…tough to rate him because he stayed around too long and wasn’t connecting with Plaxico and the gang as well as when he peaked…I loved his comebacks and his ability was much more impressive and entertaining than the Simms or Collins days…thanks Eli !

You can't spell Elite without Eli

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Or eliminated. Remember those other "SB runs"..... lol

Top 7 of all time in all major QB categories stats

Eli Manning is definitely a future HOF . 2011 NFC championship vs 49ers might have been his best game of his career, I never seen a man get beat up so badly and yet he kept getting up 💪

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

Eli was a below average QB that was carried by the defense through 2 postseasons. They literally allowed only 15.1 points per game and an opposing passer rating of 74. And not one of them scored over 20 points. Even when in the regular season those same teams put up 45, 31, 35, 38, 28, and 37 points against the Giants. How do you explain that? Was that drop in points because of Eli? And Eli still barely managed to win. Eli needed multiple pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst days of the year to barely win Opposing teams scored 13 points lower than their season average. And Eli still barely won. If the opposing teams just put up their season average, with what Eli scored, the Giants go 2-6. Beating Tampa Bay by less than a point and the 2011 Packers by 2 points. Almost all the other games are at least one score losses. There is nothing special about Eli and he does not deserve to be in the HoF.

@boris2997

7 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 which defense from 2007 ranked 24 or the 2011 ranked 17 ? You have no clue what you're talking about

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

@@boris2997 Obviously, you didn't read the entire thing. I wasn't talking the regular season. I'm talking about the postseason in which Eli was nearly 100% carried. The difference is so great that you may as well be talking about another year. Try again. BTW, I've been destroying Eli fans opinions with facts for a long time. It isn't hard. There's this thing called the Internet in which a whole lot can be done with besides trying to have losing fights with people that have facts to obliterate your opinions.

Eli knew how to dial it up when it counted. His two Super Bowl runs were genius! If he were anymore laidback he might quit breathing but of course he would likely think of a prank and jolt to life. His consecutiove games and respect earned by his teammates adds to his hard earned Super Bowl. wins - Richard Canada/!

@tomknapp6194

6 ай бұрын

He may have been on a SB winning team, but he didn't do much for the actual win. The defense that held the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their season average did. And Eli still barely managed to win. In fact, every playoff team was 6-23 point below their average and Eli still barely managed to win 5/8 games. Eli was almost 100% carried by the defense. Eli never beat a single playoff team that scored more than 20 points. That is not impressive.

@SakAttack87

4 ай бұрын

​@@tomknapp6194💍💍

Add on the stress of the NYC media, an all world older brother your constantly compared to and the difficult weather conditions of the meadowlands winters. He’s ELIte!

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Is this a joke? Eli could do no wrong even when he was 100% to blame. It was the fault of anything and everything under the sun, except the one common denominator through his entire career.

Good enough to make a video/ documentary about him

Say what you want about Eli he has two SB rings, played his whole career and never sat on the bench, no injuries and also did that with the same team. GO BIG BLUE. Once a Giant always a Giant but for him it's only a Giant!!!

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Carried through both postseasons by a defense that allowed an average of 16 points, none over 20, and still needed lucky plays for last second wins in 5/8 games.

@joshuarosario2672

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 what QB do you know that won 2 SB by himself?

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

​@@joshuarosario2672 In 2007 and 2011, the Patriots were averaging 37 and 32 points per game. Then in the SB, they only have 14 and 17. Two of Brady's worst games of the year and Eli still needed lucky plays for narrow last second wins. That was a common theme for the Giants both times. If each team even scored their average, Eli wins 1 of 8, only beating Tampa Bay. But, each team averaged 13 points blow their season average. None over 20, even when those same teams scored 45, 31, 35, 38, 27, and 37 points against the Giants in mostly blowout wins. Then Eli scores less in the rematch and he's called the hero? I'm not sure how that works. Common sense says that it was all the defense.

@joshuarosario2672

Жыл бұрын

@Tom Knapp No matter how the game was won it was a win Brady chocked twice in the biggest of moments every team that wins a sb doesn't win just because of there qb they win either because of a good offense or a good defense and sometimes they have both either way you need a solid qb and that's what the Giants had in Eli. There's not a lot of teams that can say they won two sb against prime Brady and the patriots with the same qb but the Giants can.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuarosario2672 Giants won, yes. But, not because of Eli. Just like how the defense keep the 8 playoff teams well below their season averages and Eli still needed lucky plays for last second narrow wins. Those are the facts.

If he doesn't run for his life on his back nine his stats would be off the charts and the Giants teams that he were on should have won at least two more

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

And yet, his overall passer rating in the second half of his career, was better than the first half. Better than when he had a winning record and 2 SB MVPs. And yet, in the second half he won squat. Mostly because the defense didn't carry him then.

Eli had probably about 3-4 years left when he retired but the team was terrible. Offensive line couldn’t stop a college defense. It’s a shame they couldn’t get the line right when he had saquan and Odell.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Here is something that most Eli fans don't realize. Break up his career between 2004-2011 and 2012-2019 and by the NFL's own metric, he was a BETTER QB in the second half and won squat. Why was that? The defense didn't carry him to or through the playoffs. Eli should never be in the HoF.

@SgtDukenberry

Жыл бұрын

It’s a team game, broseph. Even Brady realizes good defense he’ll win Championships. Look at the defense in TB when he left the pats. Look at the defense in Denver when Peyton left Indy… He wasn’t carried but complimented by a GREAT defense for those early runs.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@SgtDukenberry Do you think a great defense is needed for a guy that wins about 75% of his games or a guy that wins 50%?

@SgtDukenberry

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 winning isn't a QB stat

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@SgtDukenberry It is funny you should mention that. Let's make a comparison between 2 QBs. QB A: 7 Games 29 points/game 182 Completions 283 Attempts 64% completion 7.69 yards/attempt 19 TDs 6.7 TDs/100 attempts 4 interceptions 104.22 passer rating QB B: 8 Games (+1) 22.25 points/game (-6.75) 178 completions (-4) 282 attempts (-1) 63.12% completion (-.88) 7.35 yards/attempt (-.64) 15 TDs (-4) 5.3 TDs/100 attempts (-1.4) 2 interceptions (-2) 100.9 passer rating (-3.3) I think it is fair to say that QB A is a slightly better QB. Now for the kicker. QB A is Romo and all the stats are from games that he lost. QB B is Eli in his 2007 and 2011 SB runs. Let's look at some other facts..... QB A (Romo): 0-7 Average points given up by defense: 37 Opponents held to 20 or fewer points: 1 Opponents scoring 30+: 6 (OUT OF 7?!?!?!?) Games LOST by 4 or less points: 5 Opposing QB passer rating: 25 over their season average QB B (Eli): 8-0 Average points given up by defense: 16 (-21 vs what Romo's defense gave up) Opponents held to 20 or fewer points: 8 (+7) Opponents scoring 30+: ZERO (-6) Games WON by 4 or less points: 5 (And Eli still barely won 5 games) Opposing QB passer rating: 25 under their season average They were basically about the same QB, but Eli was carried by a defense that gave up only 16 points per game. And still barely won 5/8 games. Romo was betrayed by his own team that gave up an average of 37 points per game and still almost won 5 of them. If you think they are the same QB, or that Eli is a great QB, and the defense had nothing to do with it, you do not understand football.

He’s in the hall of very good with players like McNabb, Rivers, Romo etc but not hall of fame…

Can't spell elite without Eli!

Eli threw a hail Mary on Rodgers too b4 he would do his hail Marys.

Im every game of Elis career he was ready to go, never injured.

As a Dallas Cowboy fan I can tell you he haunted us.No matter how many times he got hit he got back up and threw strikes.

He wasn’t perfect. And he made us fans pull our hair out. But the man cared and got out there every day. That alone made me love him. As long as there is a NFL, the bowls he played in will never be forgotten.

Miss you buddy ❤

Factor in the Giants run oriented playcalling, lack of a great offensive line for many of the years he played and not too many headline receivers, Eli Manning could be viewed as one of the best quarterbacks ever. His longevity, never missing a game is nothing less than amazing. 2 Super Bowls says it all. As a lifetime Giant fan I say thanks Eli.

@mohnjarx7801

8 ай бұрын

The giants had to be run oriented because Eli couldn't be trusted to throw the ball more than 30 times a game

@danielmurphy7580

8 ай бұрын

@@mohnjarx7801 good thing they trusted him those 2 Super Bowl MVP’s.

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

Lack of a great defense? ?!!? Eli 100% owes both SB wins and SB MVPs to the defense that shut down multiple pro bowl QBs and held them to one of their worst games of the season. And Eli still barely managed to win 5/8 games.

@danielmurphy7580

7 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 dude, can you read? Lack of a great defense? It says LACK OF A GREAT OFFENSIVE LINE. Run oriented play calling, lack of headline receivers…..Read the sentence, defense isn’t in it.

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

@@danielmurphy7580 Great QBs elevate teammates, not the other way around. Eli couldn't elevate anyone.

Arguably Top-5 greatest NFL 1st overall pick

Eli haters are ridiculously funny. 2 rings and 2 SB MVP’s and many incredible things he did and they keep hating 🤦‍♂️ Makes me laugh!

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

If you think that it was Eli, you have no clue. It was the defense.

@DamageLLC

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 Ok Karen. Sorry I offended you. #Hater 🤦‍♂️

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@DamageLLC Facts never offend me. Please tell me what it was about Eli's 17 and 19 points in those SBs that overcame the Patriots average of 35 and 32 points each year. I'll wait.

@DamageLLC

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 Karen just watch the Super Bowl again cause I don’t argue with ignorance.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@DamageLLC All I did was ask a simple question that should have an easy answer if Eli is so great.

I’m going to tell you that people in NY used to love and hate Eli. Before the SuperBowl, many wished we got Philip Rivers. Everyone should remember, there were a lot of better QBs around at the time. Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, I even though Carson Palmer before he got hurt was better, Kurt Warner, BenRothlisberger. Sometimes Eli underperformed and it looked bad. I’m glad things worked out but many praise him because of the Super Bowl rings. I think he was above average. Not in the same class as Tom Brady. Brady or Peyton Manning.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

I'll bet that you were one of the fans booing Eli through most of 2007.

@markmontano2097

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 Why would I boo the qb of my home team? He threw a lot of interceptions and you think fans wouldn’t be mad? If you watched him throughout the years you would know

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@markmontano2097 Because the previous season he was 8-8 and lost in the playoffs because of 161 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 int. Not a good stat line. A lot of NYers' were booing him. Don't act like it wasn't happening.

@markmontano2097

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 I literally said many wished NY got Philip Rivers. So yea, I know people didn’t want him as a QB.I don’t know why your arguing. You should read everything I said, which you didn’t. I gave him props. I’m not hating on him. Where did I go wrong here? I rooted for the guy because I am a Giants fan.

The Plaxico Burress trade to the Giants was the best thing to happen to Eli

Many of us had a love hate relationship with the guy during his playing career.

I don't think about Brett Farve unless I'm having a nightmare about game losing interceptions.

Just a collaboration bunch of one year wonders

I've always been more of an Eli fan vs Peyton !! good for Eli!

I remember a Giants fan complaining about the there record during a season with Eli, I was like, quit your complaining, you just need to squeak into the playoffs and Eli will get you a trophy

I'd put Eli in the top 20-15

@tristanconn11

Жыл бұрын

hell no wtf😂

@lucas-kr7xd

Жыл бұрын

@@tristanconn11 name 19 better qbs

@tristanconn11

Жыл бұрын

@@lucas-kr7xd 1. Tom brady 2. Aaron Rodgers 3. Payton Manning 4. Joe Montana 5. Steve Young 6. Brett Farve 7. Drew Brees 8. Roger Staughbach 9. Terry Bradshaw 10. Dan Marino 11. John Elway 12. Johnny Unitas 13. Dan Fouts 14. Kurt Warner 15. Steve Mcnair 16........ okay yall might be right actually i apologize

@tristanconn11

Жыл бұрын

@@lucas-kr7xd 15-20 is definitely appropriate

@anthonychet6075

Жыл бұрын

@@tristanconn11 steve mcnair isnt better than eli

Eli was no Peyton but he has two Superbowl rings. He definitely belongs in the hall of fame. He did what he did when it counted. Great Quarterback who achieved more than most.

One could respond to saying the Giants should be patient with Daniel Jones, except for injuries. The one thing that was missing from the description of Manning thAT HE (and his brother) were never out of the lineup. On the other hand Eli didn't have to play on the most injury creating stadium in the NFL

As a giants fan I am compromised.. Eli had one of the best abilities - availability.. and that is SO forgotten these days... the benching for Geno is a stain on the organization to this day imo. Eli was a stud, not perfect but he came up big when it counted, he was not perfect/amazing like Peyton but who cares... Peyton, for all his other worldly stats and colts teams won one superbowl... Eli slayed the ultimate dragon.. Brady/Bellicheck... twice, including the perfect season kill.. besides having 2 of the greatest throw/catches in SB history... yeah, he was huckleberry face at times .. but damn he did the job, Eli is a legend now.

He's nickname said it all Tombrady killer

He is a hall of famer. Underrated. Better than overrated guys like Aikman. Did so much more with so much less.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Eli barely has a better passer rating in a much more pass friendly league. If you think you can compare Eli to Aikman, you do not understand football.

@charlesorlando794

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 very easily can compare the two. Aikman had a better offensive line, one of the greatest receivers to ever play, one of the top 2-3 RBs to ever play (many people say the best). Eli had himself and a mediocre line, good RBs and a rotating core of receivers who couldn’t hold the ball (except one year of Plaxico). Eli was better than Aikman, not even debatable. Of course Dallas is a marketing machine so Aikman gets recognized when he was not on the level of all time greats. He was a better version of Romo who was able to win championships.

Had his last name been anything else he'd be remembered as the next Jim Plunkett.

Football is a team game

Yes, passing, running... ok, we all get it. But the mark of a great quarterback is in reading defenses and making correct decisions at the snap. That little detail seems lost in this presentation.

Eli is the Brady killer.

Good enough to win 2 Super Bowls. That's all you need!

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

So, the defense that held 8 straight teams to an average of 13 points below their season average and Eli still won 5/8 by 4 points or less had nothing to do with it?

I don't think that you can ask how good someone was when he won 2 rings with one team. He was elite in his Super Bowls; the high pass to Plaxico Burress was a fluke and at the same time iconic. He had one high pass and took a lot of risks that game. He was better than Peyton when he was healthy. Peyton choked a lot, even in the Colts Bears SB. Every year Peyton threw so many INTs in the playoffs because defenses figured out that to the side of the field where he pump faked to, he would throw to. He never corrected that. Defenses always picked up his slack, including Denver. Peyton in Indy was overall a disappointment aside from one title.

@tomknapp6194

6 ай бұрын

Really? So, the Patriots being held to 23 and 15 points below their season averages had nothing to do with it? Because if the Patriots scored just their average from either season, Eli's 17 and 19 points would be blowouts.

He was gd as can be when it counted. Rate him 10 in big games. As QB 7 otherwise 8./5 to me. Been fan since 74

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Eli's career passer rating is 84.1. Which is below the NFL average. His 4th quarter passer rating was 83.8, which is below his already below average passer rating. He is literally the beneficiary of great press and took no blame when he was the one that should have been held accountable.

Number one

How good was Eli? Here's a comparison between him and a QB who gets touted as the GOAT (by Dallas fans), Tony Romo. A tale of the tape if you will: TDs - EM 366 TR 244 YDs - EM 57023 TR 34183 Completions - EM 4895 TR 2829 Attempts - EM 8119 TR 4335 Starts - EM 234 TR 127 GWDs - EM 37 TR 29 PBs - EM 4 TR 4 SBs - EM 2 TR 0 SB MVPs - EM 2 TR 0 Led NFL in GWDs - EM 1 TR 0 PO records - EM 4 TR 0 SB records - EM 1 TR 0 500 YD net passing game - EM 1 TR 0 A perfect passer rating game - EM 1 TR 0 A 6-TD game - EM 1 TR 0 Record in Elimination Gms - EM 12-4 TR 2-7 TD to TOs in elimination games - EM 28/12 TR 12/13 PBs/APs on the team - EM 44/7 in 16 years TR 60/12 in 10 years TD% EM 4.5 TR 5.7* Int % EM 3.0 TR 2.7* Comp % EM 60.3 TR 65.3* I put an asterisk next to the last categories b/c TR threw the ball A LOT less than the average QB (He finished 23rd and 25th in attempts in '06 and '14 when he led the NFL in efficiency stats). So, it's clear that Eli was great when it mattered the most/ Romo was not. Also, Eli was much more durable than TR. Dallas fans, replies will be ignored (In case you can't read- that means I will not read them. Also, save your infantile name-calling for the schoolyard).

When people cry about his INTs i like to shock them. Eli is 12th all time in interceptions thrown. Here are some famous names that have thrown more. Peyton Manning Dan Marino Johnny Unitas Fran Tarkenton George Blanda And of course....Brett Favre. All of whom are enshrined in the NFL Hall of Fame.

I still have a feeling his dad didn’t want him playing in the afc and competing with Peyton to get to the superbowl. If he’s in the nfc and he and Peyton both get to the superbowl then the best man will win but you both at least got there

Elis system has him throw down field more than anyone. Then he got rid of his OL and garbage coaches

When Eli's #'s and accomplishments get compared to HOF greats such as Brett Farve, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton [whom between those 3 alone had 9👈 Superbowl appearances - 1 win Farve] there IS no question about Eli's stature.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

When you compare a QB of today to QBs of the 1990's and earlier, you have already lost. It is not nearly the same league. In Eli's 16 years, he had an average rank of 18th in the passer rating. That wasn't even the top half. Also, in 16 years, he was below the NFL average 9 times. That's over half his career. In 5 of the other 7 times, he was 3.8 or less over the NFL average passer rating, or still just average. In 2 of 16 years, he was somewhat over the NFL average. I don't see how this makes him great.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Let's do a little comparison between John Elway, Fran Tarkington, and Eli Manning: Pro bowls: JE: 9 FT: 9 EM: 4 Top 10 passer rating: JE: 5 FT: 15 EM: 1 'nuff said.

@audieconrad8995

Жыл бұрын

@Tom Knapp I take it you don't like Eli. Kinda sad you've taken all this time to put down some one you don't like. Lotta effort for nothing. Save your breath.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@audieconrad8995 Two basic misconceptions with what you said. The first is that if you think I'm hating on Eli for posting 100% facts, then maybe he wasn't that great. The other is that I loved Eli! I knew that when he played, he would lose a game, then something unlikely (usually that had nothing to do with Eli) would happen and Eli fans would call him a hero! It happened all the time! It was hysterical! One other thing. The internet makes it easy to look up stats. You might want to try it. Pro Football Reference is a good place to start. Oh, wait... You are trying to prove Eli is great. You may want to stick to your opinions. lol It really isn't pretty. I can't prove that Brady wasn't great. As much as I'm glad he finally retired, he's still one of the greatest of all time. I really don't like Rodgers, but the facts show that he was better than Brady. Other great QBs like Peyton and Brees also have the facts to back them up. But, it is ridiculously easy to prove that Eli was just not that good. His entire career is a giant smokescreen of misleading headlines and misconceptions. When the facts are examined, he just wasn't that impressive. And once again, if you think that facts are hate, then you are admitting that he just wasn't that good.

Is top 10 all time In every major Passing statistic And won 2 SBMVPs And still holds records in the NFL today

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

He is top 10 in compiled stats because he had the opportunity to throw a lot. His yards/attempt and TDs/attempt aren't even in the top 70 all time. That's a big drop from top 10. And the 2119 postseason yards? Yeah, 4 games will do that. Since some QBs have zero chance to play in 4 games, let's take the average of all the QBs that did play 3 or 4 games in the playoffs. Eli falls to 14th. He's actually 19th in yards/attempt. Many QBs were close to breaking his records with dozens of fewer attempts. That is almost like saying Eli gets to play 16 games a season and all the other QBs only get 12 and then praise him for an astounding accomplishment.

@frankguidera6828

7 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 and if they had protected him the second half of his career his stats would be off the charts and if Plaxico Burress doesn't shoot himself we would have won again and again and also in 2016 if obj doesn't organize a boat trip we would have won then again too. Stop being such a Negative Nelly

@tomknapp6194

7 ай бұрын

@@frankguidera6828 It is a lot harder to protect a below average QB because they don't have to worry about coverage so much and can blitz more. Oh, yeah, you also say that he could have been a better QB in the second half. HE WAS! From 2004-2011, he had a dismal passer rating of 82.1. From 2012- 2019, he had a higher completion percentage, higher TD %, more yards/attempt, a lower interception percentage and a better passer rating of 86, which was still below average. I'm not being negative anything. It is putting up 100% facts to dispel your constant incorrect opinions. Care to try something else that you think is great about Eli? lol

@frankguidera6828

7 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 yeah that's why the guys got a TV show and he's going to the Hall of Fame You can disagree and continue to post and slander an all-time great knock yourself out

@frankguidera6828

7 ай бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 I made a good point you couldn't even agree with me on that nobody can win when they are being pressured and their defense stinks because that's what happened to the Giants on the back nine of Eli's career get over it

Who else did he need to beat at the time? He beat the G.O.AT. twice when it counted. TWICE. I’m sure people love those stat guys like Rodgers or somebody.

Eli Manning was the only thing consistent on the Giants for years on end. Loved to see him play in great games. Took our hearts out in terrible losses. All and all, performed great during two Superrbowls against the Patriots. HOF? Time will tell.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Consistently bad, but everything else under the sun was blamed? And both playoff runs, he was carried by a defense that averaged 16 points per game and Eli still barely won 5/6 games. Nothing special about this guy.

@nastynellynel

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 He was pretty average QB for the Giants. Won and lost 117 games in his career from 04-19 Never was in any consideration for MVP in any of his years. Lead the league in interceptions in 07, 10, and 13 Sacked 411 times for a loss of 2870 yards

@nastynellynel

Жыл бұрын

@@tomknapp6194 as much as we all bashed on Eli in his career, I rather have the average guy than to deal with the other QB situations the other NFC East counterparts were dealing with.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@nastynellynel Actually, he was nominated for MVP in 2011, but that was just because he was going to the playoffs. Received zero votes. Romo and Stafford literally had better years, but were not in the playoffs. It was just a courtesy.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

​@@nastynellynel Actually, it runs much deeper than just that. Never received an MVP Vote Never an all pro. 4x pro bowls. Is that good for 16 years? Top 10 passer rating once. Once in 16 years. Average passer rating 18th. Not even the top half. Never led in any QB stat other than interceptions. Never won a playoff game in which the opposition scored more than 20 points. Never even the best QB in the NFC East. And some things about his career are very misleading: Perfect passer rating in a game: Um. Eli was 8/10 for 2 TDs and taken out before halftime because the coaching staff knew he couldn't keep it up for another half game. Top 10 in yards and TDs: Even below average passing attempts add up over time. Eli is not in the top 70 for yards/attempt or TDs/attempt. That's a big drop from top 10. 2x SB MVP: When your defense only gives up an average of 16 points per game, what QB cannot beat that? Both years, the defense was labeled a liability, but in the playoffs, they had the lowest scoring defense vs the entire league. And Eli still needed lucky last second plays to win. Compared to Elway and Aikman: Comparing QBs of different eras is not fair. Troy had 6 straight pro bowl appearances in 10 years. Eli had 4 scattered over 16. The comparison isn't even close. And this isn't even close to all of it. Feel free to use any of this to educate Eli fans.

Its crazy to think if Eli manning didnt exist, brady would be at 9 rings lmao

No debate, a Hall of Fame player and more importantly a Hall of Fame person. Was the face of the Giants for 16 years and did them proud.

@tomknapp6194

6 ай бұрын

Eli was a below average QB that was carried by the defense through 2 postseasons. He never beat a single playoff team that scored more than 20 points.

Eli was nice asf

From the first minute when he talks about Ole Miss, I can tell he already has his mind made up and he hates Eli. As a freshman playing in the SEC at all is an accomplishment. You really expect him to score on 33 attempts? Probably none outside of injuries or blowouts.

He wasn't just clutch, but the 07-08 team overall were road warriors. And for that playoff run, it started off in Tampa Bay where all the critics picked Tampa over NY, it was 80+ degrees that day. The beat them in the wild card match to face Dallas in the divisional round. Dallas had beat them both times in the regular season and they are playing in Dallas with typical football weather at 59 degrees. Again all of the critics / announcers had picked the Cowboys over the Giants. Well we know the story, Big Blue upset Dallas in Dallas the #1 seed with a last second blocked field goal to meet Brett Favre in Green Bay the #2 seed. This NFC Championship game was the 3rd coldest game in NFL history at -13 degrees. Again all but 1 picked Green Bay over NY. It was back and forth all night, the giants made a last second run to tie the game and force it to go to overtime. Then giants prevailed in overtime! From there they went on to match up to the 18-0 Patriots. Both Dallas and Green Bay were 13-3 that year. As for the Super Bowl I don't think I need to say anymore with that escape and helmet catch! However, the Giants who finished the season at 10-6 were tied for the 3rd best record that season in the NFC with Seattle and they should have been 11-5. They got robbed in their last game of the season against NE, so it is fitting that they beat them in the Super Bowl to watch both Belldick and Brady cry! The 11-12 season was a different story. They were 9-7 on the season and had the worst NFC record to make it into the playoffs that year but they did win their division. They hosted Atlanta in the Wild Card game and again Atlanta was favored and we beat them pretty good. Then we went to face Green Bay again but this time in the divisional round who was the #1 seed with a (15-1) record. Instead of Brett Favre we faced Aaron Rodgers and again they were favored over the Giants. Well we beat them again to go and face the 49ers who were (13-3). They had one of the best Defenses that year, and without a doubt they were favored over the Giants. All stats aside the one thing they rarely mention is how tough he was. If you don't think so, just go back and watch the NFC championship game against San Fran during their 2nd Super Bowl run. Look at how many times he got pressured, hit and sacked, yet he was able to tie the game and take it to overtime against one of the Best defence in the league that year. Then he was able to beat them in over time to go and face N.E. for a rematch. And again he was clutch with a last minute 4th qtr come from behind drive to win the game. Again they were favored over the Giants. Again it was fun to watch both Bellidck and Brady cry again! For those who claim he's not HOF material they need to go watch another sport! For those who think "Philip Rivers" was a better Q.B. can suck on their 0 rings. He was bum under pressure! Yeah he put up a lot of stats such as yards, and td with low interceptions, but when it came to any significant game, he couldn't win even if the refs gave him the game! How many other Q.B.s made it into the HOF that have never won a ring? How about Dan Marino or Jim Kelly? They're both hall of famers! And not only did Eli and underdogs Big Blue beat N.E. in the super bowl, they did it twice and the first one was the best: 18 and 1 Giant Loss! When you take away a perfect season from the "media favorite"... if that alone doesn't get you into the HOF nothing else should! Eli was tough, and Brady was a crybaby! The NYG Defense proved that when they put pressure on him and hit him all day long! They should how good he really isn't! They held him to 2 touchdowns in both super bowls some of his lowest scoring games ever and they kept his total offensive yards to a minimal. I'm not saying that Brady isn't good, I'm just stating he was definitely overrated and Eli was definitely underrated. Yeah Brady in NE was 6-3 in Super Bowl appearances, however the first 3 super bowls were decided by 3 points each. The first two the Rams and Carolina could have went either way. The third against Philly with McNabb they won only because McNabb was sick throwing up on the field. They lost to the G-Men twice. They lost to Philly in their rematch. Then for the Seattle game, Seattle should have won that and probably would have if they would have put the ball in Lynch's hands, instead they decided to throw the ball and gave them the game. The Atlanta game, the Falcons out played them the entire first half only to self destruct and let them come back from one of the greatest deficits of all time in any Super Bowl. The Falcons had that game and blew it! As for their last Super Bowl appearance they had a rematch with the Rams although a completely different Rams team... and that was a low scoring game 13-3 which was N.E. highest point differential win of 10 points. All other super bowls were decided by 1 possession. So for their 6-3 record in Super Bowls their total point differential was 14 points, only 2 possessions overall. They could have easily been 1-8, but I also believe they had a lot of help and aid from the media, the refs, and big money. Now I will give Tom Brady credit when he left and went to Tampa and took them to the Super Bowl and won, his entire demeanor changed compared to the cocky attitude he had in NE. I'll give him credit and respect for that. However, he wouldn't have won that Super Bowl without Tampa's Defense stepping up and without having Gronkowski. We seen what happened to him without the Gronk this past year! Yeah, he is a good player, and he does have a love for the game but if you were to put him on the Giants team for the years that Eli played, I don't see him getting any rings... Yet Eli was able to get 2!

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

It isn't hard to win against playoff teams that score 20 or less points.

The thing is, if Eli made it to the post season there wasn't a single defense that wanted anything to do with the giants lol regular season? 50/50 chance he throws 3 picks and looks confused the entire game

@tomknapp6194

6 ай бұрын

Eli played against 8 straight playoff teams that scored 6-23 points below their season average. And still barely managed to win 5/8 games. In 2 games, it went to overtime and he was a combined 3/7, 17 yards, 1 sack for -10 yards, so 7 attempts for 7 yards. And then he had to rely on opposing QB to still blow the game.

Eli is a QB that you can't judge too hard on stats alone. He came up big in the playoffs and has two rings. That's more than Aaron Rodgers and he equaled his brother who was, by all accounts, a much better player. I think the hard thing for Eli making the hall of fame comes down to how the voters see the whole picture. His stats aren't very good and don't indicate someone worthy of a HoF slot. If you take into consideration that the story of the NFL was changed forever by teams led by Eli, then I think he has a pretty strong case. If I was a voter, I'd elect to put him in. Beating the Undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl, and then beating them AGAIN 4 years later is the stuff of legends.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

It isn't hard to come up big when through 8 games the defense allowed an average of 16 points. And Eli still needed lucky plays for last second wins.

@LottabulletsHS

Жыл бұрын

​@@tomknapp6194 Good teams win Super Bowls, no question there. I'm not sure how you could turn the biggest plays of Eli's career into a negative for him. Plenty of guys needed to make easier throws than Eli made in the clutch to win, and they didn't. He did, and I generally grade players based on what they did. I'm not putting him on my QB rushmore or anything, and every QB who is ranked ahead of him should (probably) be in the Hall of Fame too. I think a good comparison for Eli would be Jim McMahon. McMahon had a legendary defense behind him. 1 Ring. But did McMahon come up with the big plays like Eli did? No, not really. I think that's what separates Eli from the other QBs in the Fringe HoF tier

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@LottabulletsHS I'm not saying it is a negative. I'm just saying that those plays were not enough to beat the Patriots on their own. In 2007, the 6 plays before that miracle play was a comedy of errors in which Eli tried to turn the ball over on 5 of them. But, through some miracle, they still had the ball. 1st and 10: High and incomplete into double coverage. 2nd and 10: High and incomplete into double coverage. (Aikman even comments on how they were lucky to still have the ball) 3rd and 10: Drastically underthrows an easy 1st down to bring up a potential game ending 4th. 4th and 1: Jacobs makes it by inches. 1st and 10: Almost loses the ball while scrambling. 2nd and 10: Dropped uncontested interception by Assanti Samuel. At this point, Eli had a 74 passer rating and 10 points against a guy that just averaged 117 and 37 points over an entire season, and was still somehow in it. That was the MVP? I think it is very clear that Eli was not the MVP. A defensive player should have received it for shutting Brady down.

Hall of famer

His competative nature, toughness, and clean cut nature off the field made him the perfect qb for new york

He's #3 behind Joe cool and troy,10-0 in sb unlike Tommy 7-3

Eli got more Super Bowl mvps than Peyton

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

If you think that Eli is better than Peyton, you are absolutely lost.

@SgtDukenberry

6 ай бұрын

Bro, why are you commenting on every single comment!? I’m going through looking for your reply to me and realizing you’ve commented on nearly every single comment here 🤣. Gee wiz, friend.

H.O.F. ( look at Tro Aikman's stats in comparison)

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

Sorry. Different eras. You have already lost for not knowing that. Troy was a pro bowl 6 straight years out of 12 played. Eli was 4 out of 16 years. Try again.

@urmommazhouse

Жыл бұрын

@Tom Knapp obviously ignorant Cowboys fan.Look at there stats twice as many yards and td's( Eli is 10th in yds ALL TIME) With no hof WR or anything close to what T.A. had. His consecutive games streak would of been intact,had a moron of a coach,not taking him out. He had 210 consecutive starts..Troy 165 starts all time

@urmommazhouse

Жыл бұрын

Aikman only threw for over 20 touchdowns in a single season one time. His career stats were 32,942 yards, 165 touchdowns, 141 interceptions, a completion percentage of 61.5 and a QB rating of 81.6.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@urmommazhouse Eli is top 10? I guess playing 16 years has nothing to do with that when the average QB only plays 4 years? I just looked up where he stands on yards/attempt and TD %, and it isn't pretty. All time at the time of his retirement, Eli's TD percentage is 70th. His yards/attempt doesn't even show up on a list of the top 80. His passer rating is 46th. When Troy retired, his passer rating was 18th all time, completion percentage 4th, yards/attempt was 62nd. and TD percentage didn't show up either. They had the same interception percentage, but Troy played in a much more brutal, less passer friendly league than Eli did. The bottom line is that Eli has top 10 stats because he compiled them over 16 years. Even 16 years of below average attempts add up. And he didn't have top level receivers because he couldn't elevate anyone. Colin Cowherd debated Eli's HoF eligibility. When Eli was throwing to OBJ, Eli's passer rating was 111. When throwing to everyone else it was 79. Eli didn't make great players, he needed them. Just like how Dak does. If Dak loses his top receiver or RB, he goes right down the drain.

@tomknapp6194

Жыл бұрын

@@urmommazhouse I'm waiting for a response to absolutely owning you! lol

Top 5 because he's a winner