His Penalty takes are almost flawless 20/20, That we can all agree on, his converation rate is almost 100%. That's world class.

Would be very interested to see an updated Ivan Toney vid, especially since Brentford have played a more expansive 433 this season, personally think he can certainly do a job at Chelsea for e.g

@damiandamico4715

3 ай бұрын

He wants a top side, not a mid table side. LOL

I like the video, but how have you not mentioned Ivan Toney's penalty technique? Truly world class. His Brentford stats: Taken 17, scored 17

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he’s a phenomenal penalty taker. I tend to focus more on open play analysis because that tells us more about the level of a player and where they will fit in but I’ll include it in the future.

@EthanFN123

Жыл бұрын

He's the number 17

can we get an update video on Ivan Toney, I think he is good enough for united. 20 goals and 4 assists in the prem at Brentford is VERY good. He is complete. He gets goals, is good at hold up play, good in the air, and defends. What more can u ask of him

@erikpuka2627

5 ай бұрын

He is the best player on a mediocre team. Like Andy Carroll in Newcastle, Fellaini in Everton, Jesse Lingard in West Ham , Shane Long in West Brom or Rickie Lambert in Southampton. Just cause you are rhe best in a mesiocre tean don't mean you are good. You are just the best in THAT MEDIOCRE team. So someone has to stand out even there. Score goals even there

Italy’s biggest young talent Tonali needs a vid or Brazil’s Endrick. Endrick is probably the only player I’ve seen gain such a huge traction in the media at the age of only 15. Already has a million followers which is crazy. Or Rayan Cherki, France’s biggest young talent. Reminds of a hazard type player. It’s too bad he recently broke his foot.

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestions Adam - I’ll put them on the list.

Missing from the analysis, imo, is the later career development potential Toney has demonstrated…… he’s stepped up from L1 to Championship o Premiership in successive seasons, he has a limit obviously, but has development potential left in him……his first season in the EPL has yielded fewer goals, but the defending at EPL is exponentially higher than his previous experience. His second season in the EPL will show what he has learned and how he will deal with the more capable defensive systems and players.

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

A fair point and we shall see this season if he can exponentially continue to grow again or whether his ceiling is close to being reached. What has concerned me is his attitude - not showing the mindset needed of a hungry individual looking to become the best at what he does. Hope it’s just confidence and not misplaced arrogance.

@mrwabbit9576

Жыл бұрын

@@PythagorasinBoots thats just his confidence in his team/own ability. He is disliked everywhere he goes, a very misunderstood player in terms of ability and personality and often feeds off of unfair criticism. Even when faced with controversy at brentford he kept his work rate high, constantly one of the hardest workers at brentford and i think thats why brentford fans love him. A little bit like Gareth bale in that respect.

Might need to revisit this one chief haha ❤️

Your videos have stepped up a notch! 😀

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ❤️

Why didn't I find this chanel before? I love these player analysis videos, Please never stop doing this🥵❤

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud - appreciate the kind words ❤️

Been looking forward to your next video, think this channel is going to grow fast

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t think at any stage of this journey it’s ever grown fast but we shall see.

@williambergamot1342

2 жыл бұрын

@@PythagorasinBoots all it takes is one person with influence or a collective of people to share with their following - the quality of your content is already there

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words.

I think now his hold-up play improved alot ,, its as good as his heading ability ,, Great vidoe as usual 👍

Ooft I'd be disagreeing quite emphatically on this one tbh. Think his technical ability and the weight of passes he can produce is seriously being underrated by you. I think the style of play Brentford incorporate limit him but you can clearly see there's a high quality player waiting to show everything there.

Seeing as how he's started this season he was improved so muc, espetially creative wise. He's bit like kane in that regard, i love him and he is the ideal striker for us imo. Would mind a late bid for him but honeslty doubt brentford would sell this late in the window.

huge proble with ur analysis is the dismissal of the role toney had to fill in for brentford in the prem. he drops deep way more often than other striker if u check his progressive passes recieved hes in the 28th percentile for top 5 league strikers. he didnt get to show his finishing ability and goal scoring as much, but inspite of that he overperforms his xg just to show how clinical he is.

1 year on and he has smashed expectations. Now is a top 5 striker in the prem.

Great work

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Would be very interesting to see you use this seasons stats

i think you need to remake this video big man

Deserves a top 6 club tbh.

I think many of the drawbacks of toney in the PL will change with this coming season. He will become the sole striker in a 4-3-3, his best formation, playing the same role that watkins and maupay did for brentford, lots of crosses, lots of headers, lots of goals. I think people are more than happy to overlook how brilliant brentford are at progressing, there isnt another team in english football who do it as well as brentford. The most points per million £ spent last season, twice as efficient as 2nd place Brighton. Theyre investing heavily this summer and as the quality of the team improves i expect toney to get many more chances and many more goals. Not to mention some of the brilliant coaching staff acquisitions this summer, i can see brentford playing in europe in a few seasons. Might sound overly enthusiastic but i had to write a thesis on Brentford at uni and have been fascinated with them since. Truly a unique club.

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

Agreed that Brentford are a very slickly run outfit. Here's hoping Toney can take his game to new levels next year.

@BrainGlobule

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree with this. I think United are smart to be targeting him for this exact logic, he'd be a good fit in ETH's system because he likes a CF who can head the ball.

@mrwabbit9576

Жыл бұрын

@@BrainGlobule he would also be able to convert more penalties for united. Hasnt missed any for Brentford.

@BrainGlobule

Жыл бұрын

@@mrwabbit9576 Would be useful to have alongside Bruno for sure, but taking them for a big club in front of 76,000 at Old Trafford is different to taking them for Brentford, his conversion rate would ultimately decrease with the increased pressure. Love his confidence though, think you need that slight arrogance as a striker when you're in front of goal and I think he can improve further still in spite of the fact he has a big ego, just needs to find himself at the right club.

@mrwabbit9576

Жыл бұрын

@@BrainGlobule I don't think it would have much impact on his technique. He's done it at Wembley in the most important game of his life. He places them in the corner of the net every time. Even when the keeper goes the right way they can't get close. Bruno's technique fails him fairly often.

A video on Tammy Abraham would be great.

I would LOVE Ivan Toney at Arsenal!

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like you’ve got Jesus on your radar who is better than Toney no?

@EthanFN123

Жыл бұрын

Toney is da best penalty taker

Aurelian tchouameni needed next

@YMY_1999

2 жыл бұрын

Please! Quite frankly, I don’t see the hype but then again maybe I’m not watching closely enough. Raees, hope you see this…

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

On its way 👍

Worth mentioning, that any player can improve drastically in their early-mid twenties. Keep that in mind. If we'd go back and did analysis on Ronaldo when he was 20-22, we would rate him at 75 with potential to go to 85... turns out he improved so much more than estimated/expected.

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

Disagree. First time I saw Ronaldo v Bolton, I would have expected him to be a potential GOAT. His footwork was incredible. He also had a brilliant Euro 2004. Only clueless people would moan about his tendency to overdo it and not have end product. Toney is nowhere near a Cristiano, so you can't just say just because anyone is 25 they have the same level of potential to GOAT it - not a sensible argument.

@odysseasv7138

Жыл бұрын

@@PythagorasinBoots When I saw Ronaldo, first few games in man utd, I was a kid and still knew he'll become the GOAT, but because some people have this 'fire' and the desire in their eyes and hard work. But there are other examples of young footballers in their 20s that you might think their potential is limited but you'd be surprised on how much sometimes they improve. A lot of factors to consider, teams, managers, luck, hard work, etc.

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Just saying that my analysis on Toney is based on how much he could improve based on the right environment. I can’t see him based on even if put in ideal circumstances becoming a world class false 9 - it’s too much of a leap and doesn’t make sense with his physical and technical profile. He could become a baby Drogba type but a lot of things need to go right.

He’s an uncut diamond at the moment… if he develops nicely he can be world class like Harry Kane, but as of now he needs to improve a lot.. very talented though

@EthanFN123

Жыл бұрын

Legend says DaSilva still wonders how de gea let in a howler

I cant agree less with this insight. Dont know why Arsenal would want to sign him?

HE'S THE GOAT

Chelseafc pls. sign this Tony guy for us because he is incredible

Could be a good false 9. He's good at holding the ball this will give the front line more time to create room ofcourse this will results to more scoring chances. I see him doing the same job that we've known Firmino for. I'm not saying he's playing exactly like Firmino, ofcourse each one of then have their unique touch and style. But both of them are more like creators than scorers. I really don't know if we need a false 9 rightnow as manchester united. A false 9 striker needs to play with sharp minded players, intelligent and ofcourse players who always have hunger for scoring goals, currently I don't see such players in man utd. Rushford, Sancho and Martial, I mean they didn't even score enough goals last season. If we will sign this buddy (Toney) , then will have to sign Antony otherwise we would have failed big time this summer 😪😫

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

If I’m being honest he just doesn’t have the overall mobility and technical excellence to be a false 9. He’s a proper 9. There is a reason why we see so few false 9 - it’s not an easy profile to find.

@farizrahadian854

Жыл бұрын

United need proper no.9 like Toney for back up Ronaldo of he leaves.. Martial & Rashford plays best at wing & doesn't have poacher instinct like Toney..

I have to disagree with you about his dribling. He can pass to progress the ball, it just the quality of attacker around him was not very good also a foul is safer. Look how he progress the ball in Champion ship but he just simply didn't do that in Premir league.

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

He was able to progress it better due to the lower standard. The EPL is going to have better quality defenders so if he isn’t eating up yards with his dribble it is because he can’t get away from those defenders as easily and personally he doesn’t look the type whose going to beat players and go on a long run.. his body doesn’t really allow for that. He is more likely to beat men in tight spaces and work an opportunity.

@nhanNguyen-wo8fy

2 жыл бұрын

@@PythagorasinBoots I don't think he was able to drib like in Champion ship like you said. but he has an amazing butt with stability, I know he can use his butt like he did to cover the ball and make pass, and he pass very good. The problem is attaker around him was not good enough for Premir Leage to make run, so he didn't do that much. He will be amazing in the role of Tadic 2018 Ajax, he is not as good a dribler as Tadic but like you said he make it up by his aerial duel.

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

@@nhanNguyen-wo8fy That analysis is good and matches up to what I say that he is excellent at ball protection and bringing others into play. Just not long distance dribbling i.e. Bale.

@nhanNguyen-wo8fy

2 жыл бұрын

@@PythagorasinBoots So do you think he is a good signing for Erik Ten Hag. He not just won't overlap with Cr7 he create space and his defense stat is great.

i watch his match once and i feel something about him...whoever got him will have the last laugh

1 year later... He's top 3 in the prem despite playing in a midtable team

You definitely need to redo this. Haha 😂

The next Drogba

@PythagorasinBoots

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t see him reaching that level tbh. Drogba was one of a kind and a unique powerhouse forward... so underrated.

Got this one wrong massively my guy

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

How so? is he playing champions league football yet...

@dualshot66

Жыл бұрын

@@PythagorasinBoots He is definitely an Elite level striker that can play for a champions league team now. Sadly his worst enemy is he himself and I think he will get his move very soon .

@PythagorasinBoots

Жыл бұрын

@@dualshot66 Our prediction was he was a UCL level striker but not someone whose capable of winning a UCL and business end UCL striker. None of that has even come close to being proven yet so how have you reached the conclusion we have got this wrong so far?

Arsenal fans assemble.... 😂

This guy has no movement at all.

He's bang average