How Good Controls Ruined Super Monkey Ball

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Streamlining is a process that almost every game inevitably goes through. It may happen during development as a consequence of refining the game's core systems. Or it may be undertaken by a new dev team decades down the line in an attempt to bring in a new audience. But no matter what circumstances cause it to happen, it’s always a question that has to be answered;
How do we simplify our video game in a way that invites inexperienced players whilst still retaining an edge that experienced players will enjoy?
And there’s no better case study for this, than Super Monkey Ball
First released by SEGA in 2001 for the Arcade and then later the Nintendo Gamecube. Super Monkey Ball was created by Toshihiro Nagoshi, who you may know now as the creator of the Yakuza series who tries really hard to look like a Yakuza, but back in the day, he was an arcade game developer, more known for the streamlined high octane fun of F-Zero GX and Daytona USA than the complex gritty crime stories of Yakuza and Super Monkey Ball was no exception.
You roll around simple, arcadey levels with tricky turns and levitating ledges that require you to tilt yourself around the course with such precision that one slight misplacement of the analog stick can make your monkey fall to his death. But despite the game's inherently precise nature, Super Monkey Ball is the very definition of Streamlined. Your 1 major control is the analog stick. That’s it. You press A to select and speed up level openings, but apart from that, Super Monkey Ball is a 1 button or 1 stick game. You’d think that this amount of streamlining borders on oversimplification, but the challenges of navigating a movement system based on physics and momentum means it is a game that appeals to anyone, can be easily understood by anyone, and can be taken to its absolute limits by casual fans and fans who partake in Speedruns alike, and the added touches of the plethora of extra minigames and the cute monkey characters rolling around in the balls makes for an experience that is so bizarre yet unfathomably genius that I am sat here wondering how Nagoshi and his team at SEGA even came up with it. Streamlining isn’t just a process to Super Monkey Ball. It IS Super Monkey Ball, and not only is that by far its biggest strength, but also, historically, its biggest weakness.
This video will go through the rise and fall of the Super Monkey Ball series, its sharp decline in quality after the first 2 games, and how it could possibly bring itself back for modern audiences through a well maintained live service.

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  • @Ardrid_
    @Ardrid_ Жыл бұрын

    we ballin.

  • @djw_tekken8490

    @djw_tekken8490

    4 ай бұрын

    Ah yeah fighting games are really easy right LOW RANK?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @djw_tekken8490

    @djw_tekken8490

    4 ай бұрын

    Nah bro stop it

  • @djw_tekken8490

    @djw_tekken8490

    4 ай бұрын

    Make a vid where u admit that u trolled them pls these kids really believe u😂😂😂😂😂

  • @thomasffrench3639
    @thomasffrench36397 ай бұрын

    I feel like Super Monkey Ball is a perfect example of “not all games need sequels”

  • @FishyRL.

    @FishyRL.

    17 күн бұрын

    super monkey ball 2 slander goes hard fr

  • @snidlin
    @snidlin11 ай бұрын

    To be fair, I fell in love with Super Monkey Ball because of Banana Blitz (Saturdays spent fighting my brother for the player 1 Wiimote. Man those were the days). In defense of my favorite game, the boss fights actually felt fun and hard (the clunky controls balanced out the boss fights to the point where I genuinely had a blast trying to beat that darn Walrus over and over again).

  • @benjaminspanklin1662
    @benjaminspanklin1662 Жыл бұрын

    I have an idea on how you can expand on Super Monkey Ball You put them in cubes

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    That could be a funny gamemode lol.

  • @elliottpak

    @elliottpak

    11 ай бұрын

    @@Ardrid_I’d like to imagine sega adding that in as a joke

  • @ItsDinkM8
    @ItsDinkM8 Жыл бұрын

    So this is why you were on this game for 6+ hours the other day

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    Attentive.

  • @Austinator0630
    @Austinator063011 ай бұрын

    Touch and Roll is the first entry in the series that received criticism for its controls a year before Banana Blitz.

  • @microknightmare
    @microknightmare Жыл бұрын

    As a Super Monkey Ball fan and a Yakuza fan, I'm conflicted. I love both, but I hate that one is outright forgotten in favor of another. The OST for SMB is also pretty great. P.S. As a Virtua Fighter fan, I haven't forgiven Sega for still not releasing Ultimate Showdown on PC.

  • @maxtubb8560

    @maxtubb8560

    Жыл бұрын

    As mush as I love Super Monkey Ball I can understand why Nagoshi wanted to move on to more complex video games like the Yakuza series.

  • @EarthSpirit.easyzdota
    @EarthSpirit.easyzdota Жыл бұрын

    This series sounds like a good candidate for sequelitis lol

  • @HagobSaldadianSmeik
    @HagobSaldadianSmeik Жыл бұрын

    So you want the Trackmania 2020 model? I guess it could work.

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, pretty much exactly like that. Why make a new Monkey Ball game every 1-2 years when you can have the community make new levels? They'd probably end up making better levels in the long term anyway.

  • @samuelantoniocastillomeza5034
    @samuelantoniocastillomeza5034 Жыл бұрын

    Used to play them on Xbox. Were great Sunday evening games.

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    That they are.

  • @boygame1955
    @boygame1955 Жыл бұрын

    I would love a Super Monkey Maker.

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    As would I :)

  • @yy-oi6kj
    @yy-oi6kj Жыл бұрын

    i need now to play all moneky ball games i can

  • @lamMeTV
    @lamMeTV11 ай бұрын

    OMFG the first SANE Live service proposal

  • @smallthoughts_nl
    @smallthoughts_nl2 ай бұрын

    I always wondered why their newer games weren't that interesting or popular anymore, but you explained Super Monkey Ball's existential conflict in a really intriguing way and it makes sense why nothing sticks out anymore. Makes me wonder whether the newly announced Banana Rumble will finally give an answer to this video's question. It seems they're going for that simple formula (maybe with a boost-like function?), but enhancing it with multiplayer 🤔

  • @logib6831
    @logib6831 Жыл бұрын

    I have the whole classic series 2001-2006 Super Monkey Ball-Super Monkey Ball Adventure

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @bowldawg4394
    @bowldawg4394 Жыл бұрын

    Ah yes, what a short but well informed video about the hit video game F-Zero GX

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah idk what KZread was thinking there. Imma keep it though.

  • @juanrodriguez9971
    @juanrodriguez9971 Жыл бұрын

    I have to emulate the GameCube game at some point

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    That's how I played them for this video. They work great!

  • @wott9842
    @wott98426 ай бұрын

    monkey ball being a live service game would work pretty well since the only thing that's keeping the games alive is the rom hacking scene for the original games and having a game revolving around that would keep the game alive even if its not the same as the originals

  • @C-Zam
    @C-Zam Жыл бұрын

    I don't know a thing about Monkey Ball. But I'm just here to give you my view and support because i like your channel and your content 😆

  • @Ardrid_

    @Ardrid_

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks bro 👍

  • @youtubekilledtrustedflaggi9274
    @youtubekilledtrustedflaggi9274Ай бұрын

    the controls were perfect on gamecube, every game since they have been broken, this is what has killed monkey ball for me.

  • @DanteCrowlley
    @DanteCrowlley11 ай бұрын

    The real question is, when should I make a game streamline or niche?

  • @ultrazombieYT
    @ultrazombieYT11 ай бұрын

    My favorite was Banana Blitz on the Wii

  • @ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr
    @ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr3 ай бұрын

    i disagree. i think they need to just keep the formula and just make new levels. most new features are just cheap shallow gimmicks that dont actually make games any better. new levels and better graphics are all it needs.

  • @treylinazerros159
    @treylinazerros15911 ай бұрын

    The closest to your idea is a spiritual sequel indie game called Rolled Out. It's currently in early access but does have a level editor and remains quite faithful to the original Monkey Ball physics.

  • @Austinator0630

    @Austinator0630

    11 ай бұрын

    Rolled Out still suffers from being a rehash of the earlier titles.

  • @treylinazerros159

    @treylinazerros159

    11 ай бұрын

    @AustinMSmall Well...this videos idea of a successor isn't really to add on to the formula but stick to what works and add content without sequels.

  • @Austinator0630

    @Austinator0630

    11 ай бұрын

    @@treylinazerros159 Rolled Out still is as content rich as Super Monkey Ball 2. Besides, Rolled Out is essentially what wouldhappen what would happen if the series continued without any changes.

  • @treylinazerros159

    @treylinazerros159

    11 ай бұрын

    @@Austinator0630 The point I was trying to make is that it supports custom levels by default, no messing around with modding or hacking into the game to make it work. ..I'm beginning to question if you watched this video cause the author of it isn't interested in changing the formula itself. None of his suggestions do. If you don't agree with those points, then it's more productive to provide your own counter-suggestions to the video than bringing down a post where you're clearly not the target audience. I'm genuinely interested, though this reply chain isn't the place.

  • @Austinator0630

    @Austinator0630

    11 ай бұрын

    @@treylinazerros159 I did. I'm just reiterating his points.

  • @NiGHTcapD
    @NiGHTcapD11 ай бұрын

    Hm...do you think Monkey Ball would do well if it were handled like Trackmania?

  • @FishyRL.
    @FishyRL.17 күн бұрын

    banana blitz aint bad bro 😭😭😭😭

  • @d7mf3j
    @d7mf3j4 ай бұрын

    live service games are terrible for the consumer