I love how that sticker says "Lettuce" instead of "Latice" lol. Recommendation for anyone reading: after going through quite a few boards, IF you could only get 1: get 1 with a jug, 25-30, 20, and small edges. Jug and 30 is for warmup and pullups, 20 is for weighted hangs/repeaters/EVERYTHING, anything smaller than 20 is for small edge training. I wish I knew all of this from the start tbh

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! That’s some great advice!

@meldepinda

3 жыл бұрын

And what would you recommend for someone who is climbing around 6a / 6b? Would I still stick to the above formula? Cheers

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@meldepinda Hey Robin, yeah I think that would still be some good advice. I think the BM 1000 is a good option, as is the tension Grindstione MK2

@nbka8rs

3 жыл бұрын

@@meldepinda I would still stick to that formula, at that level you would use the jug, 30, and 25. When you're strong enough you would make your way to the 20, and after that you can do weighted hangs. I came to this conclusion after realizing that "entry" level boards can be skipped entirely as long as you hit certain sizes, this saves money in the long run and essentially future proofs your hangboard. But the Grindstone is super expensive, so you really need to factor that in. I sold 2 boards because I outgrew them, hope this helps!

@meldepinda

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks both for your reply! And well I'd rather have something to last me then just having to exchange again. Will look into getting a Grindstone, many thanks!

I mean it's got the best name, who doesn't want to be a beast like culann

“we can’t burn HANGBOARDS..” flawless edit Culann 😂

Great video, informative, helpful, exactly what I needed, thanks guys!! :)

Great review guys, really useful to go through the attributed of each. Thanks

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Woop 🙌 thanks dude

Excellent video. Love the details and the points you make. 👍

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mix

Hey guys this was a good review just a couple of feedback for the future videos. 1. There are a lot of new climbers who would be watching this review so if you could point out the pockets or edges that would help a lot for example point out 15mm or 20 mm edge when you are talking about them or pointing out which edge is uncomfortable in 2000. 2. A 30sec to 1minute explanation of mono and incut edge would have been great.

Good to know I'm not the only one to have his pinky shredded in the middle slot on the Beastmaker 2000.... nice review.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Haha 😂 yep that’s me too!!

V5-6 Climber here, the beastmaker 1000 is a perfect fit, I'm quite heavy (85kg) and the jugs for warming up and big edges suit me very well and for a very reasonable price given how often I use it

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! I think for your level it’s one of the best fingerboards out there

The big slots on the BM2k are super easy to shim - AAA and AA batteries get them down to ~1-pad and 1/2-pad respectively.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant hangboard hack!

I’ve just bought a beast maker 1000 and motherboard. 😆 I love it!

The Day After Tomorrow reference haha

@milkymat

3 жыл бұрын

seamless dub

Bonus BM 1000 hack - I use the nicely rounded sides of my BM1000 for compression hangs. You can wrap your fingers around as much or as little as you feel strong to hold, squeeze like hell with your chest and pull up off the ground...Instant compression training! Not anywhere as nails as if the sides were flat, but adjusting how far around you wrap your fingers gives you some ability to make harder or easier.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant BM HACK!

Why am I watching this? I already have a beastmaker.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Because you love watching our vids 🙂

@ralfrussel1950

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Exactly

I have a beastmaker 1000 and I feel it's worth offering my contrasting opinion. I got the beastmaker 1000 a year into climbing (maybe too early, who can say) and have used it semi-regularly until now as I'm climbing V7/12b (7a/7b). I find that I spend about 95% of my time on the 1000 on the 20mm edges, 15mm edges, the two slopers, and the jugs. I occasionally use the two-finger pockets, but it's just as easy to isolate fingers off of bigger edges, so I find that's a pretty useless feature of the board. I have almost never used any of the "jug" pocket holds on the middle row of this board. The space was pretty much useless to me and even when I was much weaker, I think that section of the board should have been replaced with 30mm edges or something else. If I were to go back and choose again, I'd probably skip the beastmaker in favor of a simpler board with a focus on edges and perhaps a better rounded profile (like the tension rungs)

@edemaye3328

3 жыл бұрын

I do like my 1000, the jugs are super friendly, as are the 40mm slots - the slopers are hard enough and good training - but I too spend most of my time on the 20mm bottom right slots, and after that the top 15mm - though I find the rest of the board under the 15mm slots are close to my fingers and ‘make’ me seek extra assistance... 😂 recently bought a Tension 20-15 simple board with great jug rail and super comfy and very rounded 20mm and 15mm edges. The Tension edge rounding is more comfortable for my fingers and allows me to swap out fingers for more difficulty..

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Hahhaa wait for the upcoming reviews guys :) This is one part of a review focussing on Beastmakers/Lattice/Tension - I totally agree with you on those points! The 1000 is a great fingerboard for beginners to intermediate climbers, but if you’re operating V5 and up you will find the larger edges a bit useless. Saying that, the 2000 I feel is at the extreme end of the spectrum and is pretty hard for V5 climbers to jump into. As you say, Tension does the job better... my upcoming review of those boards is out Friday :)

@professorbellorum

3 жыл бұрын

​@@RobbiePhillipspatience is a virtue that eludes me XP -- thanks for the vid, looking forward to more great content!

@hrvojegrancaric9592

3 жыл бұрын

I came to the same conclusion about the middle row - but there is a way to make good use of them. You can make pretty good campus style moves on them (also in combination with the slopers and the jugs). You can be really creative in the combination of the moves - it's a good excercise for targeting endurance, contact strength and coordination. On tension board these campus style combinations would be very difficult and less versalite.

@edemaye3328

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrvojegrancaric9592 Thats has to be a good use for those similar depth middle pockets and edges. I think it highlights that with a little understanding of what you want to get stronger doing and creative thought - we can get way more than just the 'standard' protocols out of our hangboards. Truth be told, we're privileged to have access to such quality kit these days - else we'd be hurting ourselves on home made rungs with shonky rounding and crimping the sharp corners of our doorframes still. Also, as we're off the walls in most parts of the world and not climbing outside much either, building some session endurance has to be a good idea - even for !shock horror! bouldering!

I used to use Bm1000, now i use lattice, can't cheat, better standardization. That burning hangboard edit was legit.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Yep... the Lattice edge dominates! Wait for the next video :)

I have 3 hangboards a Beastmaker 2000, Lattice Training Rung, and Metolius Rib. I find that the Beastmaker is a little easier to cheat on by pulling on the sides of the pockets. Great for everything else though. I've been training mostly on the Rib's 15mm edge. The Lattice 20mm edge is not very easy to hang on because of the large rounded lip on the front. Looking forward to the other boards you'll be reviewing. :)

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

cheating as in for pockets (nestling)? I think thats the point of the lattice 20mm. Thats why I like it - hard to cheat! The lattice review is out on Thursday :)

@FelishaWild

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Pocket Nestling? Sounds like when a squirrel curls up in a tree. If that's the correct term for cheating on the Beastmaster 2000 then that's it. LOL

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@FelishaWild HAHA Sorry, what did you mean then with cheating using the pockets?

@FelishaWild

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips I think that we're talking about the same thing. Using the sides of the pockets for additional friction during the hang. :D

I made some blockers for my beastmaker 2000 to make the large flat edge about 20mm, this makes the whole thing much better to train on 💪

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Good hack! Someone also suggested using AAA batteries!

@edwardoakley8659

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips What about Double A's... for extra power? ...sorry

You can modify the BM2000 by taping a AAA battery in each of the jugs. That leads to very close to 20 mm and is reversible. Just if you are too weak to train endurance on 15 mm as I am.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the knolwedge! That's a great idea :)

I recently noticed that the beastmaker 2000 in my gym is actually tilted forward a little bit because the support beam is twisting. This might be the reason why I hate the 45° slopers

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

🤣 hahaha I found my beastmaker 2000 works really well in the van 🚐 when I’m parked on a slope... has to be the right angle of slope of course!

@DIYToPen

3 жыл бұрын

I had that problem with my home BM 2000... I used a spirit level and some appropriate shims, and now it is perfectly level only when loaded. I'd recommend you do something similar. However the 45 degrees are still difficult, I don't think that's going to change.

well, the beast makers are both supreme hangboards, but if your like me and do not have any place to put it up in your house i would go for the next best thing a trasportable hangboard, what im using is called the problemsolver and i found it to be a very verstaile board even thought it do not have any slopes or pinches or pockects(you can buy slopers you can put on it which i have not), i still find it very usefull, mostly cause it's so adjusteball, you have 3 size's holds on the front +2 in the middle aimed on one hand'ed tranning, also a one handed on the back side which i think is the biggest one handed hold, it is still quite hard to hold onto the all the one handed but you can also just grip it on the very top and do one handed, that to say you can do normal pull ups with two hands that way on the very top

The "back two" pocket fits the ring and middle fingers nicely IMO

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

And the front 2 as well

Nice vid!

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers dude

Very informative video, thanks! I actually built my own fingerboard, since I'm a beginner, with just 2 incut slots of 200 mill, big jugs for pull-ups and higher up, 2 wooden edges for light campus training. I have a question, I started training with it regularly since December, (2/3 times a week, mostly max times hangs on half crimps and three finger drags, and also lots of pull-ups.). While I certainly feel the improvements in every aspect of my finger strength, I feel like I'm plateauing at around 35/40 seconds of hanging, should I start adding weights? Or Is it too premature? Thanks!

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Hey dude, this is a big question for just here, but let me suggest a few things: 1) Don't just go for super long hangs - mix it up! Go for max 5-10 second hangs as the meat of your max strength workouts 2) Mix it up with power endurance training like repeaters 3) Keep up with some of you longer hangs, but these should be less frequent 4) Try some one arm assisted work as well as 2 arm stuff - perhaps try blocks of each? 5) If you're a beginner be careful with intensity and volume. Don't replace volume of climbing with the same volume of hangboard - that never leads to anything good!

@asfarfafar

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips thank you very much for the advice man! You guys are among the many climbers who keep me motivated to keep training through these tough times!

Anyone have build instructions for this free standing hangboard set up? It looks exactly like what I want to build ☺️

I highly recommend the Kraxlboard Rock from Stubai

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Good shout - will check it out!

I haven't climbed since December, but managed to get my BM1000 set up very recently. I really like the grippy app, but I really suck at three finger hangs or half crimps in general. Is it pretty common to get small blisters just below your finger joints? I feel my my skin can kinda pinch a bit when hanging.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it can happen for sure. I think it is more common if you hang until total failure, as when your grip lessens, your fingers change positions shifting more stress on the skin and pulling at it. A tip will be to drop of before total failure! To be honest, it’s better to not train to total failure very often. Also, if you’ve built up calluses then they could be pulling and hurting, so try sanding them down

The day after tomorrow reference! 🤣

I'm using the metolius contact board, it's really awesome, it has everything you need! :)

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

How do you find the comfort? I bought a metoilius wood edge in JTree when I was there and I hated it haha the edge profile was too sharp

@bary136

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Really ? The comfort is great on this one, all the holds are rounded, I cannot complain ! It's not wood though, but it's still very skin friendly !

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@bary136 ahhh yeah, maybe its the wooden ones only then. I have an old Metolius Simultor - class board, but edges are quite big for me these days

@bary136

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Yeah that's why I didn't choose this one, you have some really small edges and pockets on the contact board !

I got a used 2000 for cheap, but I'm a beginner. Should I get another or will it be ok to only have the 2000?

I have been climbing for 4,5 years now and besides a 3weeks attempt during start of pandemic I never used fingerboards. I still managed to climb up to 7b/+ but the step towards 7c feels just ridiculous to me. No clue how people hang on to shitty crimps or keep the endurance in overhangs. Lately I realized a buddy of mine climbing about the same grades being a beast on the bm2000. Doing twofinger pockets and shit. I mean all I can really hang on is the 33mm edge and the 35° sloper, all other stuff is just not possible (not even on one arm on the huge edge in the middle lol). I guess to improve further I gotta wish for a bm1000 from santa...

how do I hang the 45 degree slopers?! I can do pull ups on the 30 degree ones, I love my BM 2000 as for the pockets they suit my fingers quite well. training season is here though 1-2 months till outdoor season starts here in Alberta Canada

@RobbiePhillips

2 жыл бұрын

That are tricky! You can chest then a bit by nestling your index finger in the notch - it’s a good way to ease yourself in. Also, you need to try them a fair bit to get the chalk bedded in them, after a bit of use they do become easier to hold. Brand new it’s impossible! Haha Also, hanging the 35’s and 45’s is as much a core execixse as it is hands. It’s all about keeping a really solid control in the movement- you can’t swing around like you could on a pull ups bar

You could make inserts for the beastmaker 2000 to get 20mm

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

true! or AAA batteries?

@climbingac4135

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips sounds great I will try that 😂😂

they are very good. until you try to hang on the 45* sloper. then they suck and are by far the worst hangboard on the market (yes i am salty about being weak)

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHA! I know what you’re saying mate 😂 those 45’s are desperate!!!! Hung mine the other day for a few seconds Woop!!!

@rasmusblomberg7373

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips ahaha nice! i havent touched them since gyms closed in december, and no doubt i won't stand a chance when they open again (fingers crossed for 12th!!!)

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

🤞 a tip with the 45’s... they’re slightly easier when your hands aren’t super dry #stickydamp

@StickyPaw

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips I was just about to say the same. If that gets easy , hop onto it . Mega!

@richardbradley1532

3 жыл бұрын

Trying the 45° slopers is funny as.

Things to change for the beastmaker boards: * Offset holds - hold pairs symmetrical rather than asymmetrically spaced * Taller holds - in case you want to full crimp, would also help with the next problem... * Screw holes are in a super annoying position - yes you can use filler to hide them, but I wish you didn't have to

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Offset - I haven’t had any issues with any of these holds. Which ones in particular for you? Full crimp - the 15mm is the only one I’d imagine doing that with. Is it a big issue for you? Screw holes - it’s again not something that’s ever really bothered me or that I’ve noticed affecting anything. Does it make a big difference for you?

@elliotpahl672

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Offset - I think it would just be more comfortable if the different pocket pairs etc were similar width apart Full crimp - I like to work in at least a few full crimps a session to stay used to the grip, doesn't particularly matter which hold -- also I don't have much DIP joint hyperextension in the front 2 so I need a little extra height Screw holes - not the end of the world, but annoys me every time I grab what I would consider the "main" holds on those boards As you mentioned, no smaller edges either, but... I guess just get their micro crimps.

@shaneh7519

Жыл бұрын

@@elliotpahl672 I know this is an old comment but do the screws poke out and that’s why it bothers you? I used an impact driver and it had no issue making those screws flush

I never understood what the point of pockets are when you could just use an edge (the back two pocket on the 2000 exempt)?

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

I used to be the same, but actually i quite like pockets as they nestle a little bit making it marginally easier on smaller edges. I think it’s a good tactic to use for progression

@stevewillson9218

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Makes sense, thanks for the reply.

Just curiosity, does anyone else wish that the 20mm edges of the 1000 were further apart? I guess that my shoulders are kind of wide, but they're not that wide, and yet I end up with my back arched and my shoulders compressed...

@borjanavalllurda2769

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I do! It is because of that I use hangboards witj long edges (Lattice's hangboard, homemade edges...)

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I have pretty wide shoulders and never noticed this. Perhaps this is a good point for the wider boards like lattice and tension

Pretty sure i got my first beastmaker back in 2009.

Video starts at 3:33

is there a hangboard where you can just train only slopers?

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Actually there’s a Rustam Board designed for that. Check em out

@abasicname8848

3 жыл бұрын

do you mean the bombista with the continuous slope top?

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@abasicname8848 yeah I think thats the one - e says its for font training

I tend to find beastmakers overcomplicated, and there edges aren't as good as just a simple rung. Big fan of a single campus rung

Wow, Robbie, I can't believe you're not including Dave MacLeod's board in your reviews. IMO, all the pockets on the BM are just to make it look cool -- training two fingers in a pocket is the same as training two fingers on an edge that's the same size. And the edge is more versatile.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree, training in a pocket is way easier than on an edge. For progression in pocket training it’s nice to use both. I personally do anyway, and as the 1000 is geared towards lower end climbers I don’t think the pockets are a waste of time as most beginner to intermediate climbers wouldn’t think to train pockets on an edge. A food fingerboard is defined by being accessible and versatile to the group it is designed for, not everyone. And... I have a massive collection of fingerboards I’m reviewing now, of which Daves is one I’d like to do eventually, but a man only has so much time...

@edemaye3328

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure Dave is currently selling his Rung these days. I was keen on one, especially at my V5 level his uncomplicated approach to hangboarding appeals to me. I emailed him a couple of months ago and he replied that he was no longer selling them. Perhaps this is temporary thing - but I'm sure Robbie wouldn't be reviewing a product no-one could get hold of.

As well as a Lattice rung,I have a Crusher board. Superb,hard to hang and very reasonably priced. As a time served deadhanger,I don't rate Beastmaker. Overpriced hype.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Emmmmm... I don't think I agree... I reckon they are great fingerboards, just could be done better in certain wayss. I genuinely think the 1000 is brilliant for what it is - its geared towards lower end climbers and does that well. The 2000 is pretty tough and perhaps overly complicated for more experienced climbers, but it was and still is the first generation Beastmaker board and first of its kind in the world probably (to get decent traction). There are better hangboards for sure, but it's not bad

@calebainsworth7247

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips To be fair,I do have weird fingers and the 2000 just doesn't suit me! I agree re the jugs on the 1000; they're really useful.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@calebainsworth7247 I don't think the 2000 is the best fingerboard in the world either... the plan with this review was to give people a chance to see what they are buying before they commit. The original video as I said compared 3 brands at once, hence why there's a bit of detail missed out from each video as it was going to be too long. I was also trying to review each board on its own without any extras e.g. with the accessibility, it was all about how easy the board is to use for a beginner. with the usability its about how easy the board is to use without having to change anything or add spacers etc... of course, its just a personal opinion :)

@calebainsworth7247

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips Certainly a no nonsense solid review. Keep up the good work with the channel, your videos are always fun.

No awesome woody in the new series 😢

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHA!!! Jesus you guys are so hard on me 😂😭 - I’ve got awesome woodys in the lineup it’s just not this week. Patience young rock jocks!

I dunno - making your friend give up climbing just so you could wangle a free fingerboard seems like a pretty low blow

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

That was just a story for you guys... I actually broke into some randoms house and stole their beastmaker 🤪

First???

The radius is too large. While a good board, It makes me depressed to look at and to use. Prove me wrong. -Steven Crowder

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

The radius of the middle egde?

@cyrusroshdieh9977

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobbiePhillips I think the radius of the 2 x 4 finger 20 mill edges on the 1000 are quite large. It feels like the flat sections contact area is muted and helped by such a large radius.

@RobbiePhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyrusroshdieh9977 hmmmm... possibly. I personally don't find them that bad... compared with other edges they are obviously distinct as most brands do something slightly different, but I don't dislike them. My preferred has always been the lattice edge as it's rounded edge and radius seems perfect