How Gold And Experience From Creeps Changes Over Time

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In this video I decided to go over something different - how gold and experience from creeps changes throughout a game. I also touch on things like how much gold and experience different neutral camps give, how stacked neutral camps change the gold and experience they give, some weird mechanic related to sharing experience, and other things.
I enjoyed learning about something that's more of a core game mechanic. I plan to go over more game mechanic topics, but not entirely sure what yet. If you have some ideas, let me know!
00:00 - Intro
00:17 - Lane Creep Quantity Changes
01:10 - Creep Stat Changes
01:21 - Lane Creep Stat Changes
01:58 - Neutral Creep Stat Changes
02:50 - Creep Bounty Range Explained
03:37 - Gold And XP From A Creep Wave
04:04 - Comparing Large Camps
05:19 - Comparing Ancient Camps
05:38 - Comparison Conclusion
06:26 - How Sharing XP Works
07:49 - Denying Creeps
08:04 - Stacking Neutral Camps
08:41 - Thanks For Watching
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  • @TheChaotiCake
    @TheChaotiCake Жыл бұрын

    Been playing dota for 10 years and I didn't know some of this lol, such as stacked camps giving 15% less gold and xp. Thanks for the info!

  • @TheDominionOfElites

    @TheDominionOfElites

    Жыл бұрын

    The stack changes were made in the last year or two

  • @TheChaotiCake

    @TheChaotiCake

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheDominionOfElites ahh I see. Thank you as well for the info 😁

  • @bounceday

    @bounceday

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheDominionOfElites they only know how to nerf skill based play :(

  • @raulmontero8736

    @raulmontero8736

    3 ай бұрын

    They added xp % bonus for the stacker camps hero, even if isn't in the xp area when the stacks are killed. Also added in recent patches

  • @FahmiZFX
    @FahmiZFX Жыл бұрын

    Duuuuuude, the production quality on this is insane. You can easily tell how much effort you put into this video from how it's presented.

  • @abca14045

    @abca14045

    Жыл бұрын

    becuz it is simple.

  • @ITZBROKENhotDOG12
    @ITZBROKENhotDOG124 ай бұрын

    Wow... this blows my mind how in-depth this MOBA is.. just jaw dropping cant wait to put hundreds of hours learning so much every thousand hours

  • @SK3564
    @SK3564 Жыл бұрын

    The lost xp when it's leached by several heroes is super interesting! I really like learning about these things in dota, I really appreciate you sharing all this info!

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!! Glad you like learning about this stuff like I do :D

  • @cptmacmillan1111
    @cptmacmillan1111 Жыл бұрын

    I binged every single one of your "How this hero's ability actually works" and learned a whole lot. Subbed right after. Here are some ideas I thought of that when you present and demonstrate, my

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    That's very valuable feedback, thanks a bunch and thanks for the support!

  • @mdk064hernandez9
    @mdk064hernandez9 Жыл бұрын

    I had already been looking into this recently 😂 ty so much for clearing these things up

  • @harun507
    @harun507 Жыл бұрын

    This is really educational. Thank you

  • @Skulltroxx
    @Skulltroxx Жыл бұрын

    Again, another great video.

  • @alm5851
    @alm5851 Жыл бұрын

    This is amazing info man! Appreciate it

  • @Youmu_Konpaku_
    @Youmu_Konpaku_ Жыл бұрын

    Very nice and insightful hidden mechanics

  • @carrotcarrotful
    @carrotcarrotful Жыл бұрын

    What if you did an episode on spell casting animations. Windup vs endlag, how the stop command works, spells like tinker's laser which seem to hit before the animation, other instances of visuals not aligning with timings.

  • @BanielDrown

    @BanielDrown

    Жыл бұрын

    Razor's regular attack too - that one wigs me out. it hits ... after the electricity jolt hits?

  • @nanook6620

    @nanook6620

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@BanielDrown yea there's like a split second before damage takes affect. Some of the hardest last hitting ive ever had to learn.

  • @mertaltan5388
    @mertaltan5388 Жыл бұрын

    Perfect video, thank you.

  • @congtrinh3717
    @congtrinh3717 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you sir!

  • @ferryxhidayat
    @ferryxhidayat Жыл бұрын

    My guy has a major degree in Dota, thanks for the video

  • @caternal5666
    @caternal5666Ай бұрын

    as a new player this helps me a lot to understand these mechanics thank you so much!

  • @freddyvartanians3836
    @freddyvartanians38368 ай бұрын

    Amazing content dude

  • @arielbazanantezana9120
    @arielbazanantezana9120 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video man👍🏻

  • @Shlerpple
    @Shlerpple Жыл бұрын

    Love ur vids.. very insightful

  • @halomilo4013
    @halomilo4013 Жыл бұрын

    Very thorough video, auto sub!!

  • @leviejoshuasala8841
    @leviejoshuasala8841 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! what a great vid.

  • @hanavirtue
    @hanavirtue Жыл бұрын

    hoooly, the production keep getting better

  • @maruangh9
    @maruangh9 Жыл бұрын

    Nice , very informative, can you do huskar next , i have no ideia why sometimes he heal so much

  • @Chokop1e__
    @Chokop1e__ Жыл бұрын

    Golden dota content. Thanks man.

  • @LootFreak
    @LootFreak Жыл бұрын

    Love these vids!

  • @redisrar12
    @redisrar12 Жыл бұрын

    ty for info...stay love

  • @user-ox3sd8od7i
    @user-ox3sd8od7iАй бұрын

    That's the type of dota content I was looking for

  • @kawaiiyasuo63
    @kawaiiyasuo63 Жыл бұрын

    Nice production dude !!! I wanna know if you can share some insights on how "critical" works in the game in general and if there are hidden mechanics there is ? Keep it up, man !

  • @fappiedappy2902

    @fappiedappy2902

    Жыл бұрын

    it's just pseudo random mechanic that you can google. It's probably not enough for a whole video.

  • @pauloovl

    @pauloovl

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fappiedappy2902 on zzADRiANzz's video about drow's marksmanship there is a section about pesudo random distribution already,actually.

  • @ladderlappen4585

    @ladderlappen4585

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pauloovl prng is espcially usefull to know, when you jungle with pa in the early levels

  • @mariadamian4534
    @mariadamian4534 Жыл бұрын

    Great channel! can you do ember spirit video about his spells? i have hard times to use slight and q on heroes

  • @iverson1194
    @iverson1194 Жыл бұрын

    Another thoughtful videooo keep it up

  • @yonmalikulkudus8526
    @yonmalikulkudus8526 Жыл бұрын

    thanks a lot man

  • @rollermixmax
    @rollermixmax Жыл бұрын

    Keep it up! nice work man

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks :D

  • @raulmontero8736
    @raulmontero87363 ай бұрын

    Just need to add the super and mega creeps xp/gold/stats values through the game. Since all this content is so valuable and normally isn't breaked through properly. Great job though

  • @Santi-vx5lt
    @Santi-vx5lt Жыл бұрын

    Thaanks! Can you explain how base attack time works? (E.g. last change on abaddon)

  • @An_Appi
    @An_Appi Жыл бұрын

    This will blow up mark my words

  • @juliangorski5760
    @juliangorski5760 Жыл бұрын

    Love you my man. Wanna do Dispersion next?

  • @purushottamroy7379
    @purushottamroy7379 Жыл бұрын

    Now this is a video worth saving.

  • @olehhavrylko7121
    @olehhavrylko7121 Жыл бұрын

    Try adding some background music, perhaps from Dota (there're more than standard theme). I think it will improve the quality, because it felt a bit weir during math part. Other than that the content is good!

  • @minoriteinvisible
    @minoriteinvisible Жыл бұрын

    You know my Italian grandfather always made good lasagna and knows a lot about pasta if the pasta is good he will say "Bellissimo". But me personally I don't know nothing about pasta but I know about Dota and video editing and let me tell you what I just saw is BELLISSIMO!

  • @leonardobargilbargi176
    @leonardobargilbargi176 Жыл бұрын

    Best dota channel nowadays!

  • @bjornbos332
    @bjornbos332 Жыл бұрын

    i actually laid this out on a map in paint a few months ago

  • @JohnPaulBuce
    @JohnPaulBuce Жыл бұрын

    thanks

  • @tlustejmicin
    @tlustejmicin Жыл бұрын

    Awesome vid. As usual ❤

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @user-nb5nj6xs6y
    @user-nb5nj6xs6y Жыл бұрын

    What happens with the xp if lane creeps are fighting neutral creeps? Can you soke up the xp from both creeps if they are enemy lane creeps?

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes exactly. You'd get xp from every neutral creep and lane creep that dies.

  • @TheHippyhopp
    @TheHippyhopp Жыл бұрын

    is there any explanation to how ember spirits W work? Or is it totally random?

  • @drrrw
    @drrrw Жыл бұрын

    Do the attack modifiers and combination items for item builds.

  • @carlofaustino9373
    @carlofaustino9373 Жыл бұрын

    Could u do an explanation on dazzle's heal??

  • @therealmurakaze
    @therealmurakazeАй бұрын

    Didn't check other comments, but the double satyr is missing. It was in the spawn at that time as well, or is it not considered a large camp? Confused -_-

  • @abdulellahaAls
    @abdulellahaAls Жыл бұрын

    So in the end, its better to kill jungle before the minute come than making a stack ?

  • @NoNTr1v1aL
    @NoNTr1v1aL Жыл бұрын

    I love your videos bro 👍

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Glad you enjoy them :)

  • @hadisparrow8722
    @hadisparrow8722 Жыл бұрын

    super!

  • @dmitriishatokhin
    @dmitriishatokhin9 ай бұрын

    I remember short period of time when denied creep gave 0 exp to enemy and 1 my offlane game went pretty sick: I was 7 lvl and enemy still first. Everything was denied xD

  • @abbybasher7247
    @abbybasher7247 Жыл бұрын

    As we are in meme patch, let's talk about meme hammer and if everybody buy it. Stacking of meme hammer? Tower pushing?

  • @dajair01
    @dajair01 Жыл бұрын

    How did this change with the latest changes?

  • @jotapegs8285
    @jotapegs8285 Жыл бұрын

    @zzADRiANzz i dont know if i missed it but what happens with the exp when a Neutral Creep LH a creep? 10/10 content dude!

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    The xp will still be given the same as normal. And thank you!

  • @sedimiri.7195
    @sedimiri.7195 Жыл бұрын

    maybe Abbadon's ult with septer. how the mist coil works

  • @Wellkerdes
    @Wellkerdes Жыл бұрын

    Welp time to just send this video's link in team chat so my safelane doesn't play farmville in the jungle for the next 30 minutes. 🧑‍🌾🧑‍🌾 Jokes aside, well made video btw. Keep it up!

  • @Schuhardt
    @Schuhardt Жыл бұрын

    I’m kinda confused on the camp stacking part. You said that the stacker gets 30% of the gold which isn’t subtracted from the killer. Then you said that the killer gets 15% less gold and xp. Soo the killer receives 85% of the normal bounty and the stacker receives 30% of that, which isn’t subtracted. Soo 15% extra gold is being made?

  • @yehorveremii

    @yehorveremii

    3 ай бұрын

    100-15%=85 (decreased bounty for the killer) 85×.3=25.5 (the amount of gold the stacker receives) Right? 100-85=15 (wasted gold forever for the killer) 25.5-15=10.5 (difference between the amount of gold the stacker receives and that wasted gold is extra gold) Conclusion: 10.5% extra gold as well as exp for the stacker. In other words, stacks give your team 10.5% networth boost if they will be cleared by non-stacker ally.

  • @impactaci
    @impactaci Жыл бұрын

    this is why carry players should always consider farming creep wave first if it is safe.

  • @krnzzang84
    @krnzzang8410 ай бұрын

    Best dota education ❤❤❤❤

  • @banglevision8207
    @banglevision8207 Жыл бұрын

    ANOTHA ONE!

  • @Pozorchelovechestva
    @Pozorchelovechestva Жыл бұрын

    Id like to know how weaver aganim shard works

  • @Vetadota
    @Vetadota Жыл бұрын

    Can you do bane nightmare next?

  • @chalempoy1905
    @chalempoy1905 Жыл бұрын

    can you do a video about chainfrost

  • @noahjohann4909
    @noahjohann4909 Жыл бұрын

    Do i miss some fact or did you forget about mud golems and the other satyr camp? the one with only small satyrs

  • @MrJanaQi

    @MrJanaQi

    Жыл бұрын

    those are not big neutral camps, they are lower rank so they give less xp and gold

  • @doom1153
    @doom1153 Жыл бұрын

    Just to ask about stacking camps, how do multiple stacks work? Who gets what stack gold, and is the 15% reduction applied again? Great video btw :)

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    The 30% gold bounty and 15% reduction are applied the same even if there are multiple stacks. The 15% reduction is not applied again. Both are applied to the specific creeps that spawned from being stacked, as seen by the stacking buff they have.

  • @uthm429
    @uthm429 Жыл бұрын

    Does dazzle heal works like warlock link?

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    Briefly explained - it apparently prioritizes hurt allied heroes the highest, which I didn't know. And if there are multiple heroes meeting the same criteria, it'll choose who it heals randomly.

  • @VictorHugo-xo9uz
    @VictorHugo-xo9uz Жыл бұрын

    better than going to school

  • @Daniel-zr4pk
    @Daniel-zr4pk Жыл бұрын

    7:45 I did not understand what you mean? who is doing the wrong thing? the mid or the afk support?

  • @yehorveremii

    @yehorveremii

    3 ай бұрын

    it's a joke, the afk support ofc :DDDD that .5 exp doesn't count when splits between allies, so midlaner as solo hero wouldn't receive that extra .5 exp to dominate enemy mid, to get the level up before the enemy midlaner if their support soak up the exp. Basically, you can split the exp between allies effectively only if it's divided by the number of allies which is randomised by that range in every bounty creeps contain. Everything after the dot in the result is being deleted from the game and compensated by the outposts exp.

  • @seanduncan9722
    @seanduncan9722 Жыл бұрын

    I wish i could subscribe twice

  • @claytonagol
    @claytonagol7 ай бұрын

    Please update that is amazing theory.

  • @chalempoy1905
    @chalempoy1905 Жыл бұрын

    your contents are too gud

  • @bigbigestwiner92
    @bigbigestwiner92 Жыл бұрын

    Make a video analyzing drow ult’s effectviness when stacked with armor corruption

  • @pauloovl

    @pauloovl

    Жыл бұрын

    there is a video abut drow's ult already. even though he doesn't mention corruption, zzADRiANzz briefly explains marksmanship is affected by bonus armor only when it procs,so still affected by corruption. armor ,in general, could be a possible content for future videos

  • @bigbigestwiner92

    @bigbigestwiner92

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pauloovl i know! I was just trying to theory craft how valuable armor debuffs are in a drow line up (even potentially for herself) since it does change a ton of calcs when compared to regular armor debuff comps

  • @pauloovl

    @pauloovl

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bigbigestwiner92 oh, a video about how armor actually works would be nice

  • @idkwatlol4456
    @idkwatlol4456 Жыл бұрын

    Valve needs to hire this guy.

  • @yehorveremii

    @yehorveremii

    3 ай бұрын

    for what reason lol? they hide all that stuff on purpose to make game playable as long as possible, it's an anti-employee for Valve, at least, with that type of content.

  • @dyggas
    @dyggas Жыл бұрын

    Aaaaaand, now you throw it all away :)

  • @zhengshen1637
    @zhengshen1637 Жыл бұрын

    Hi, please make a video explaining how Undying's Soul Rip works? I like your video so much, crystal clear explaination

  • @icecrown7324
    @icecrown7324 Жыл бұрын

    Make one on how winrate works and how to break 51% winrate

  • @Interloper322

    @Interloper322

    Жыл бұрын

    51%? I have a 30% forced winrate

  • @banglevision8207
    @banglevision8207 Жыл бұрын

    Morphing attributes

  • @sebastianramos4907
    @sebastianramos4907 Жыл бұрын

    Moooore videos pleaseee

  • @chongzm1
    @chongzm1 Жыл бұрын

    Meepo enters the chat 😂

  • @pitou6874
    @pitou6874 Жыл бұрын

    U forgot the golem neutral creep TnT

  • @arslankhan2191
    @arslankhan2191 Жыл бұрын

    How does Wukong Command works?

  • @tradenchill9123
    @tradenchill9123 Жыл бұрын

    6:40 ”Neutral creep kills share all exp around 1500 range despite which team got the kill” what this cant be right? An enemy is near my jungle when i kill jungle stacks, theyll get 50% of exp?

  • @WoobertAIO
    @WoobertAIO Жыл бұрын

    The progression of Super Creeps means that if a game goes long enough, Super Creeps would **eventually** be more tanky and dangerous than their Mega counterparts. Edit: I actually did the math, and it seems like their max stats are equal to the Mega Creeps' base stats lmao I stand corrected.

  • @ZurinArctus0
    @ZurinArctus0 Жыл бұрын

    Your video is getting better and I love it but please don't use one vocabulary subtitle like in minute 2:47, it's just annoying

  • @zod3632
    @zod3632 Жыл бұрын

    wait outposts give exp every min now? Since when was that LoL

  • @ggame3987
    @ggame3987 Жыл бұрын

    Let zzADRiANzz cook. LET HIM COOK!!!

  • @skersovas
    @skersovas Жыл бұрын

    Is it just me or at every 10min mark outpost gives bonus gold and xp??? Dont tell me i was blindly trying 2 protect outpost at 10 min marks without any bonus gain :///

  • @somethingsomething2541

    @somethingsomething2541

    Жыл бұрын

    No they dont.. its only 1 min and they give tiny amount of bonus xp.

  • @somethingsomething2541

    @somethingsomething2541

    Жыл бұрын

    In past they used to give alot of xp every 5 mins i think

  • @somethingsomething2541

    @somethingsomething2541

    Жыл бұрын

    Getting 2 outposts will not give u more xp or gold as it will only deny the opponents from getting xp every minute.. outpost major use is only for teleportation purposes

  • @abhishekpawar5126
    @abhishekpawar5126 Жыл бұрын

    You didn't cover mega creeps

  • @spiralingspiral72
    @spiralingspiral72 Жыл бұрын

    You should explain next the phenomenon where an ability can one-shot ranged creeps early on in the game, but somehow later in the game, it won't one-shot them, and hey're left with like 1 or 2 HP. Really annoying stuff.

  • @pudipudi3227

    @pudipudi3227

    Жыл бұрын

    Didn’t he kind of do that he said the creeps health and atk scale up throughout the game

  • @h00db01i

    @h00db01i

    Жыл бұрын

    gotta have kaya now

  • @jft3730
    @jft3730 Жыл бұрын

    No mud golem 🫠🥲

  • @xtianebernal
    @xtianebernal Жыл бұрын

    Stacking has been one of my favorite mechanics in the game. Not to brag but I think I have 130k camps stacked on my profile. I always do double or triple stacks and if my core is a little bit too slow to farm it, i farm it myself. There are games i played as 5 kotl with an orchid at 14 mins lol

  • @somethingsomething2541

    @somethingsomething2541

    Жыл бұрын

    Damm thats nicee

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    That's awesome. Yeah it's very fun to get a lot of camps stacked with something like KOTL, as long as the enemy doesn't take them. That's always so sad, especially when your team doesn't respond.

  • @5vart5ol
    @5vart5ol Жыл бұрын

    First! Me mid!

  • @deedoo624
    @deedoo624 Жыл бұрын

    the creeps are cute

  • @iada1036
    @iada1036 Жыл бұрын

    are you dota 2 entrepreneur?

  • @ziloj-perezivat
    @ziloj-perezivat Жыл бұрын

    Way too legit

  • @garnetst.721
    @garnetst.721 Жыл бұрын

    creeps.

  • @zila5161
    @zila5161 Жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍👍🫡

  • @samuelmamani8462
    @samuelmamani8462 Жыл бұрын

    thank you Spirit of the la.. zzAdrianzz !! thanks for the awesome info

  • @kf_isher1149
    @kf_isher1149 Жыл бұрын

    asdf

  • @SpaceTimeBeing_
    @SpaceTimeBeing_ Жыл бұрын

    Great video but why do you sound so bored

  • @zzadrianzz

    @zzadrianzz

    Жыл бұрын

    That's just how I sound I guess lol. Very mellow person in general so maybe that's why.

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