How far can I broadcast LoRa packets WITHOUT a radio? - LoLRa

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  • @LanceCSTCuddy
    @LanceCSTCuddy2 ай бұрын

    You’re crazy. I’m convinced that all RF engineers are wizards.

  • @avramitra

    @avramitra

    2 ай бұрын

    I was convinced long ago that Charles was a wizard.

  • @Thefreakyfreek

    @Thefreakyfreek

    2 ай бұрын

    Aleays have been

  • @tomfahey2823

    @tomfahey2823

    2 ай бұрын

    RF engineering is basically Black Magic (or so I've heard).

  • @theKLAMOS094

    @theKLAMOS094

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah I did a lora project before starting my engineering degree... Sweet and tears man, but mostly a huge amount of datasheet and theory to read

  • @OskarHersch

    @OskarHersch

    2 ай бұрын

    Yet they remix ideas every 4 years for children wonderment.

  • @papa_gowon
    @papa_gowon2 ай бұрын

    Charles: so I made the GPIO pin go real fast. FCC: and I took that personally.

  • @Thefreakyfreek

    @Thefreakyfreek

    2 ай бұрын

    I dont think there is a better meme for this video 😂

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I am unfamiliar with this meme

  • @red13emerald

    @red13emerald

    2 ай бұрын

    I think the FCC can't even complain if the signal is below the noise floor, could it?

  • @terjeoseberg990

    @terjeoseberg990

    2 ай бұрын

    @@red13emerald, The problem with this is that the desired signal is below the noise floor, but there are other undesired signals being produced that aren’t. These need to be removed with a high pass filter.

  • @Thefreakyfreek

    @Thefreakyfreek

    2 ай бұрын

    @@red13emerald fair point

  • @breaktrace
    @breaktrace2 ай бұрын

    "That final output is 69.420 MHz" Nice.

  • @dtupper

    @dtupper

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice.

  • @ve4edj

    @ve4edj

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice

  • @dan3a

    @dan3a

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice.

  • @xymaryai8283

    @xymaryai8283

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice.

  • @Krbydav328

    @Krbydav328

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice

  • @macyler
    @macyler2 ай бұрын

    Incredible as always. And simultaneously terrifying. Now we just wait for the headline “Gaming keyboards had firmware undetectably overwritten to broadcast key strokes hundreds of meters via LoRa, without physical access, from user-mode application”

  • @GeekProdigyGuy

    @GeekProdigyGuy

    2 ай бұрын

    It would only work at a very small volume, right? Otherwise there'd be a ton of noise from thousands of different keyboards.

  • @juliankandlhofer7553

    @juliankandlhofer7553

    2 ай бұрын

    @@GeekProdigyGuy thats the beauty of spread spectrum! just think about how many bluetooth devices are around you and it still works flawlessly. well maybe not if everyone was just spewing out subharmonics to get a few picowatts of actual signal 😅

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    there's far scarier things goin on in the world, no need to freak out over this.

  • @drhxa

    @drhxa

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@CNLohr The only correct response

  • @antonliakhovitch8306

    @antonliakhovitch8306

    2 ай бұрын

    There have been plenty of security research papers along this line

  • @aurorajunior6328
    @aurorajunior63282 ай бұрын

    This Is The Most Insane "Doing Alot with a Little " Project ive eve seen

  • @Scrogan

    @Scrogan

    2 ай бұрын

    Does it beat space invaders on an ATtiny10? Maybe.

  • @aurorajunior6328

    @aurorajunior6328

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Scroganin my opinion yes lol

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Oh man... I have never heard that turn of phrase but it speaks to my soul.

  • @aurorajunior6328

    @aurorajunior6328

    2 ай бұрын

    @@CNLohr I kinda made it up lol. But it’s so true. Amazing job! Can’t wait to see what you make next!

  • @TheKuptis

    @TheKuptis

    Ай бұрын

    @@aurorajunior6328 Sorry but that phrase predates you. It's been around for quite awhile.

  • @thefatmoop
    @thefatmoop2 ай бұрын

    Aggressive bandpass filtering could probably make this fcc passable. Amazing work

  • @kreuner11

    @kreuner11

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah but that makes this become radio circuitry with a filter and amplifier, etcc

  • @user-lc1sy4bz2j

    @user-lc1sy4bz2j

    2 ай бұрын

    Aggressive badass work 😅

  • @nobodynoone2500

    @nobodynoone2500

    2 ай бұрын

    @@kreuner11 Not really, a bp filter can be some traces scratched off copper pcb. It''s dumb (and illegal) to not make or use one tbh.

  • @willhatch7721

    @willhatch7721

    2 ай бұрын

    Was thinking the same thing. This could be a real fun network filter design process

  • @kayakMike1000

    @kayakMike1000

    2 ай бұрын

    @@nobodynoone2500 I think he started with that proviso

  • @DanielSMatthews
    @DanielSMatthews2 ай бұрын

    You are a rare human, gifted, tenacious in your pursuit of knowledge, and incredibly generous. Thanks for sharing, the light shines brightly through you.

  • @davidwillmore

    @davidwillmore

    2 ай бұрын

    I'll buy that for a dollar!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I appreciate your kind words.

  • @juliankandlhofer7553
    @juliankandlhofer75532 ай бұрын

    dude even attempting this is insane. that you managed to get it working is borderline lunacy. what you're doing is absolutely masterful and i cannot express how impressed i am

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't let silly things like feasibility stand in your way. Just keep pushing.

  • @nobodynoone2500
    @nobodynoone25002 ай бұрын

    Bandpass filters make these kinda hacks easier, more effective, and more polite to those around you. Every radio hacker should have a pile of remade ones, a tunable one, and the know how to throw one together from scrap. It's a rare but useful superpower in the rf world.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I agree! This was just to get things working with minimal hardware, not getting things working well.

  • @geekswithfeet9137
    @geekswithfeet91372 ай бұрын

    God damn, you just made the CIA’s wet dream of data ex filtration

  • @microcolonel

    @microcolonel

    2 ай бұрын

    Trust me, they are already doing it.

  • @aurorajunior6328

    @aurorajunior6328

    2 ай бұрын

    @@microcolonel have you seen seytonics video about using a SATA cable to do that

  • @microcolonel

    @microcolonel

    2 ай бұрын

    @@aurorajunior6328 no but that seems highly doable. IIRC SATA is unshielded and that would make it easier.

  • @geekswithfeet9137

    @geekswithfeet9137

    2 ай бұрын

    @@microcolonel I don’t trust anyone that has to say trust me

  • @zekiz774

    @zekiz774

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@geekswithfeet9137trust me: you don't trust anyone who starts their argument with "trust me"

  • @muriatik_
    @muriatik_2 ай бұрын

    this is the purest definition of knowing how to break all the rules

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    You can't break rules when there aren't any.

  • @The_Foxx
    @The_Foxx2 ай бұрын

    This video terrifies me

  • @DanielSMatthews

    @DanielSMatthews

    2 ай бұрын

    Me too in an "in complete awe" sort of way, and also because the implications of it are that a large amount of digital hardware can potentially leak data via LoRa packets induced in software and radiated off existing structures in the product. 🤯

  • @UKsystems

    @UKsystems

    2 ай бұрын

    @@DanielSMatthewsmost commercial products can’t as they are designed around emc requirements

  • @DanielSMatthews

    @DanielSMatthews

    2 ай бұрын

    @@UKsystems They are designed to pass tests when used as designed, change the code and they are out of spec and Tempest like tricks apply. Same with most of the attacks against air gapped computers, you need to be able to run code on them to get them to behave in unanticipated ways.

  • @andrewferguson6901

    @andrewferguson6901

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@DanielSMatthews"can" = does

  • @UKsystems

    @UKsystems

    2 ай бұрын

    @@DanielSMatthews there are also tests for adverse use cases and checking for anything that can be used as an antenna or at least for ukca aprooval

  • @edgeeffect
    @edgeeffect2 ай бұрын

    This is cool... basically you're bit-banging into the air!!! NICE!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    That's a really good way to put it.

  • @ceeam

    @ceeam

    Ай бұрын

    You saw the term "wave-banging" here first.

  • @edgeeffect

    @edgeeffect

    Ай бұрын

    @@ceeam NICE!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    @@ceeam gosh I wish that didn't sound as inappropriate.

  • @Cydget
    @Cydget2 ай бұрын

    holy shit that's nuts. When you started talking about using reflections to get your desired carrier frequency my brain started expanding. I'm so shocked that you didnt run into any issues with this by nature of your antenna being a wire that was bent. I figured that any little change would greatly effect the outcome of the reflections, but I guess so long as the actual length of the wire is not changing, the reflections should still be there relatively unchanged. Also the idea to just add wireless connectivity to existing devices that we can hack was just brilliant. Lastly throughout the video I was thinking how it would be a cool project to draw vector graphics in the waterfall view like some people do with the xy plot on a scope and the last few seconds I see the outro graphic. Brilliant

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Expanding your brain is what I am here for. I love helping people grow and learn. The outro was something I thought of at the last second.

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff2 ай бұрын

    So maybe for diversity you could put an antenna on multiple pins & transmit sequentially on each one?

  • @enthdegree

    @enthdegree

    2 ай бұрын

    Phase coherent output pins

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Probably, but would be trickier to figure out how to send the signal.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest79932 ай бұрын

    Now build 10 element beams for both ends. :) I've blanketed 1/3 of the USA with a 7 mW BPSK LowFER signal from my 30 foot tall antenna with 2 miles of hand-wound 22 gauge wire and a loading coil with 35 pounds of 8 gauge wire wound on a 3 foot diameter Styrofoam core, and I've been called crazy. But you have gone far beyond me. Well done, sir! I salute you! BTW, the most fun I've ever had was doing range tests. I drove 900 miles on I-80 across the USA watching my beacon message play on and on on the computer on the seat beside me. I smiled every inch of the way. Same sort of thing happened with my range tests with Hi-Fi audio sent via a dollar store laser, further and further, 6+ miles of smiling in the cold and dark with rain sprinkling down on me. I think we both know exactly how Marconi felt as his radios worked further, and further, and further.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    The days of Marconi would have been a wild time time to be alive. But yeah, WSPR and other protocols would be pretty cool to explore like this.

  • @badgermcbadger1968

    @badgermcbadger1968

    2 ай бұрын

    That laser thing sounds really interesting

  • @scottdotjazzman

    @scottdotjazzman

    2 ай бұрын

    You realize the FCC prohibits LowFER antennas longer than 49ft, right? (Including the feed line)

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    @@scottdotjazzman is the load coil factored into that? It seems strange if it would be because you could just use a higher voltage higher impedance output and no load coil for the same output, right?

  • @tripplefives1402

    @tripplefives1402

    Ай бұрын

    @@CNLohr Yea, but if he is using stock retail radios the output will be fixed 50ohm impedence and if the antenna is too short relative to 1/4 wavelength it will have too much capacitance vs impedance so you add a load coil to give that capacitance some more inductance to resonate into- bringing it closer to 50ohm purely resistive.

  • @davidpanic
    @davidpanic2 ай бұрын

    What an absolute madlad! And here I am just using cheap LoRa modules to send messages! I definitely got some inspiration from this.

  • @TheRainHarvester

    @TheRainHarvester

    2 ай бұрын

    What cheap. modules? How much are they? I bought an llcc68 module from cdebyte but i think they were defective. I could write to their spi registers and read them back, but could never broadcast (no signal ever showed up on a sdr receiver). Cdebyte world never send me sample code. So i used code from generic modules but either the modules were defective, or the code needed proprietary magic.

  • @davidpanic

    @davidpanic

    2 ай бұрын

    @@TheRainHarvester They're called "Ra-01 modules" and they go for about 3-4€ from china. I haven't had any issues with them and the range seems pretty good.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Doing it with modules is way better for everyone involved, this was more of a to-see-if-I-can.

  • @rs232boy
    @rs232boy2 ай бұрын

    Huge respect for making such limited hardware spit those radio signals. This is even one step beyond VUSB ! Seems crazy to receive data under the noise floor, but the spreading for measly 3000 bits/s over a big bandwidth 125 kHz is what makes it possible.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed! And those bits are spread so broadly in time.

  • @utkua
    @utkua2 ай бұрын

    The projects excites me the most are things that are cheap and massively adapted, your stuff always hits the mark. This is a great work that enables people, you are a good human we are lucky we have people like you.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Those are definitely the things I find most compelling.

  • @quadmods
    @quadmods2 ай бұрын

    I learned more about LoRa from your video than many other ones. Great useful research. Cheers

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks! I really tried to express the insights I gathered.

  • @autonoob
    @autonoob2 ай бұрын

    About 3min in and loving the way you bent the pin to see where the antenna plugs in, it probably secures it a bit better aswell. Genius! 👍

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I didn't expect anyone would notice that. I just did it so I could tell where it goes.

  • @xmine08
    @xmine082 ай бұрын

    In recent days the KZread algorithm has giving me more and more smaller channels that are doing amazing things. You're part of that group, looking forward to more content from you my dude! Also, as a software engineer, RF is absolute black magic to me..

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I am also a software engineer. And I agree it feels like black magic at first, but then you get the hang of it.

  • @icantseethis
    @icantseethis2 ай бұрын

    This bro about to learn why the FCC is a 3-letter agency

  • @ryshellso526

    @ryshellso526

    2 ай бұрын

    Lora has already been approved for communication on... go stroke an old boomer HAM operator off...

  • @ergonomiczero2228

    @ergonomiczero2228

    Ай бұрын

    But most of use 4 letter words to describe them

  • @runforitman
    @runforitman2 ай бұрын

    man LoRa is an insane protocol

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    IKR!

  • @applebroz222
    @applebroz2222 ай бұрын

    I rarely ever leave comments on KZread videos, in fact, this might be the first deliberate comment I've left in YEARS. But I had to because for more than half of the duration of this video I was sat at my desk with my jaw so widely open that it could have almost hit the desk. Thank you for this insanity, and for open sourcing your code - I learned a hell of a lot watching this video, and I'm sure I will learn even more from the repository. Unbelievable, outstanding work.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm really glad to have earned that comment then!

  • @TheRainHarvester
    @TheRainHarvester2 ай бұрын

    Lohr-A !

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    How did this never come up!?

  • @davidwillmore

    @davidwillmore

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@CNLohrI said it to you!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    @@davidwillmore I just don't remember or maybe I Was too embarrassed?

  • @scorch855
    @scorch8552 ай бұрын

    I'm normally quite put off by the thought of spurious emissions, even if they are very low power. But this has completely turned my conception of them on its head! Though I would be lying if I said I didn't spend half the video trying to think how I would filter it. Bravo!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    If the thought of doing this without extra hardware wasn't so central to this video's thesis I would have totally added the filtering.

  • @JMurph2015

    @JMurph2015

    Ай бұрын

    Literally just need a bandpass filter. There's no other way to do that reliably when you can't bit-bang about the Nyquist frequency.

  • @EggCess
    @EggCess2 ай бұрын

    This is simultaneously crazy, ingenious, awe-inspiring, insane, impressive and scary. Considering the still rampant lack of security of large parts of the IoT Appliances market, this makes me shudder - *even* if parts aren’t connected (or connectable) to WiFi (or even worse, various WANs). Just wow.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I somehow missed you watching these old videos. Good to see you here too even if it did take me a few months.

  • @chrisalexthomas
    @chrisalexthomas2 ай бұрын

    Wow, this was amazing to watch. You did a fantastic job documenting all of this! Well done!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @benedekt.5909
    @benedekt.59092 ай бұрын

    Creative uses of aliasing in sampled systems, under-noisefloor communication and hacking ucs beyond their stated limits are the favourite topics of my supervisor from the university days. I will send him this video. Great work on this, must have been a bumpy ride. Congrats!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    BOY HOWDY WAS IT BUMPY, but it was steady process for all the weeks.

  • @Daniel.W.R.Rehman
    @Daniel.W.R.RehmanАй бұрын

    This video inspired me like very few videos do. Not only am I now way more interested in RF transmission and its theory, but now it all makes sense in a way it never has before. Thank you for gifting this beautiful project to the world!!!! You are amazing!

  • @VeniceInventors
    @VeniceInventorsАй бұрын

    I'm not sure what is more impressive, the end result or your persistence to get there. In any case, the two made it a great inspiring video!

  • @liammccarthy2651
    @liammccarthy26512 ай бұрын

    So impressive, I knew this was going to be a wild ride when you said the best square wave frequency you could achieve was 69.420MHz

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I hope it didn't disappoint.

  • @jrr851

    @jrr851

    Ай бұрын

    When I heard that I checked the release date of the video to ensure it wasn't April 1st.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    @@jrr851 I learned my lesson about releasing real but ridiculous videos on April first

  • @bearwolffish
    @bearwolffish2 ай бұрын

    Very cool, am reminded of an exercise from a wonderful book Make AVR, where the chapter on timers had you code an AM transmitter, by toggling the pins quickly using the compare registers. Love seeing the hype things like Meshtastic, LoRa, HackRF and Flipper Zero are bringing to these types of protocols.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I wish this sort of RF radiation stuff was taught more, like in schools, etc.

  • @SebastianLang1998
    @SebastianLang1998Ай бұрын

    Just one word: impressive! Really well done work - from the crazy idea at the beginning till this video for documentation. I'm fascinated! 🤯

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    Glad you liked it, I hope to keep making content like this (even if I am slow at doing it)

  • @maggieMakesMechs
    @maggieMakesMechs2 ай бұрын

    Only 5 minutes in and this energy is so inspirational. Thanks for getting me up and working on my projects (and for what I expect is going to be a great video)

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Keep goooing. Just go go go. That's the reason I want to make these videos is to point as an omen what can be done by just keeping on pushing on a problem until it gives way. Even though most of my projects do end up being failures, if you just keep pushing, keep pushing, you will find success.

  • @nThanksForAllTheFish
    @nThanksForAllTheFish2 ай бұрын

    So good to see you back!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Only twice a year or so.

  • @ryebis
    @ryebis2 ай бұрын

    "things that only have a tiny chance of success" time to join the Qowat Milat 🤣 Well done, worked better than I would've expected.

  • @adreto2978
    @adreto2978Ай бұрын

    I just checked out your IDF-Sandbox repo and it’s the best thing ever thanks mate

  • @maxlee3536
    @maxlee35367 күн бұрын

    You CMAC code is chef's kiss! Thanks man!

  • @alphapuggle
    @alphapuggle2 ай бұрын

    Great, now devices that I previously thought were completely disconnected from the Internet can leak my data

  • @talinpeacy7222

    @talinpeacy7222

    5 күн бұрын

    Active defense will always be more effective than passive defense. Guess you need to invest in a jammer equivalent.

  • @hanmonic
    @hanmonic2 ай бұрын

    This is amazing. So glad the algorithm sent me this!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Glad to have you - hope I earned a sub.

  • @adrianovianawerneck472
    @adrianovianawerneck4722 ай бұрын

    This is the most insane project I have seen lately. By the end of the video I was nutting with the range you manage to achieve just by bit banging the air. You are truly an RF Chad.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you watched it all the way though. It's a balance giving away the punchline up front, verses making people wait til the end.

  • @NoOneFPV
    @NoOneFPVАй бұрын

    Your results are truly amazing. Bravo!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @PimpinPoptart06
    @PimpinPoptart062 ай бұрын

    Unbelievable dude. Well done

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks

  • @xtalviper
    @xtalviper2 ай бұрын

    GPIO pin: "So anyway, I started blasting..."

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Make a meme!

  • @theoldknowledge6778
    @theoldknowledge67782 ай бұрын

    Dude, you are a wizard!!! Amazing video! Amazing research 👏🏻

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @vladimir0rus
    @vladimir0rus2 ай бұрын

    Amazing as always! You are inspiring so many engineers, thank you!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your comment, too.

  • @AntonMadness
    @AntonMadness2 ай бұрын

    This reminds me of the PiFMplay, which is also magically awesome. It uses an raspberry pi to sent FM radio in to the ether. Just attach a wire to the board on 1/2 labda or something and you're good to go x-D

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    There's so many GPIO projects, I just enjoyed bringing another one to light.

  • @pedroavex
    @pedroavex2 ай бұрын

    Have you checked the RPiTx project? The concept is similar, I have have already played with it to transmit Whisper signals in HF and my signal was spotted thousands of Km away, but of course based on ionospheric refraction. However you could use RPiTx concept to transmit Lora, i think they didn't do it yet.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    There's so many of these all around, and I haven't checked it out. I just don't do much dev with rpi.

  • @tanmay______
    @tanmay______Ай бұрын

    this is just too insane for my brain to comprehend. major props to you sir

  • @RainDownpours
    @RainDownpours2 ай бұрын

    I'd just subscribed from all your past videos that you mentioned here. So many interesting videos!

  • @RainDownpours

    @RainDownpours

    2 ай бұрын

    OMG! You were the guy who broadcasted NTSC with ESP!!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed... I have a lot of videos on NTSC

  • @garry5280
    @garry52802 ай бұрын

    I'm guessing it wont pass FCC limits 😂 incredible work.

  • @kreuner11

    @kreuner11

    2 ай бұрын

    Later in the video he actually makes it have very little extra noise outside of the desire frequency which is interesting

  • @nobodynoone2500

    @nobodynoone2500

    2 ай бұрын

    make a lil bandpass. a bit of loss is worth the better signal imho.

  • @lo2740

    @lo2740

    2 ай бұрын

    @@nobodynoone2500 it will require a SAW filter plus a class C amp to produce a decent RF output (in term of regulations), but i fear the side products of the class C will require one more SAW (not cheap) and still be too problematic, another way would be using the fundamental and a mixer, but the BOM cost will be too high. There is some cheap RF chips with registers access which could be torn to emulate LoRa TX properly (we did that at the time of sigfox in DBPSK), however a radio without RX isnt very useful. Small MCUs are capable of demodulating and decoding a 868/900MHz signal by using their fast ADC, a mixer and a 800KHz IF but again given the low price of an LLCC68 this would probably be a futile exercise (i did that for a mini sigfox basestation few years ago, using an STM32F4).

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    It's such a small amount of power it just might. But a SAW+Class C would be hoppin!

  • @jakob5481
    @jakob54812 ай бұрын

    Next step: make a receiver

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Oof. Too soon.

  • @jaredbater6229
    @jaredbater62294 күн бұрын

    I work with LoRaWAN in my day job. This is the coolest thing I have seen in a long time 😂 Bravo!

  • @sinitarium
    @sinitariumАй бұрын

    INSANE! I will have to replicate it to believe... Amazing video, thank you very much! I learned tons in this video I will have to watch multiple time. Glad I found your channel!

  • @nolan412
    @nolan4122 ай бұрын

    Data exfiltration by gpio sounds scary now.

  • @nobodynoone2500

    @nobodynoone2500

    2 ай бұрын

    It's not exacxtly unheard of in the hacking world. There was a rather famous use about 25-30 years ago.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    It is pretty common nowdays, with several different air-gap techniques

  • @nolan412

    @nolan412

    2 ай бұрын

    @@CNLohr Now a 1000 meters away. Balloon heights!

  • @oscareriksson9414
    @oscareriksson94142 ай бұрын

    69.420 mhz! Sounds nice...😊

  • @nschurando
    @nschurando2 ай бұрын

    Awesome work. Your dedication to pursuing the unlikely is an inspiration.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Inspiration is the goal - get people to realize what they can do if they apply themselves

  • @bart8P
    @bart8P2 ай бұрын

    The most amazing engeering video I've seen the past year. Awesome!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks. My other videos are envious

  • @chaemelion
    @chaemelion2 ай бұрын

    This scares me. I frequently consider how a state actor might exfiltrate data via compromised hardware/firmware. I had always reassured myself that they would never send it over the wire/air because of the risk that it would be detected with traditional network infrastructure monitoring. I also reassure myself that bit-banging something out over a funtenna to other compromised devices acting as relays would require so many compromised devices that they'd risk being discovered. But I hadn't considered LoRa... The infrastructure already exists, gateways are popping up everywhere, it operates far below the noise floor... Do you have any idea how easy it would be to exfiltrate private keys using malicious firmware or even silicon? A crypto co-processor? Hmm... maybe that thought deserves a PoC...

  • @landspide

    @landspide

    2 ай бұрын

    I think this is already being used...

  • @nobodynoone2500

    @nobodynoone2500

    2 ай бұрын

    This tech has been used by state actors for about 40 years. Do with that what you will.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    There's so many other scarier things in the world. Don't worry about this stuff.

  • @sensorer
    @sensorer2 ай бұрын

    Love seeing Nyquist in the wild

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Or not seeing Nyquist in the wild. 🪄🪄🪄

  • @rallokkcaz
    @rallokkcaz2 ай бұрын

    This is such a cool project and video. Thanks for sharing such awesome and insightful content!!!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the comment!

  • @mt-qc2qh
    @mt-qc2qh2 ай бұрын

    I am completely blown away by you knowledge and methods of engineering. Charles, you are a true wonder or out-of-the box engineering.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Tear down those barriers between disciplines. We weren't meant to live in little boxes.

  • @lambda7652
    @lambda76522 ай бұрын

    If you have VGA in your laptop you can probably do this without any extra hardware just by showing an image and with some xrandr magic. You could have shared effect that sends Loar

  • @andrewferguson6901

    @andrewferguson6901

    2 ай бұрын

    You're saying I could broadcast a chip tune of rickroll audio with a legitimate rickroll gif?

  • @lambda7652

    @lambda7652

    2 ай бұрын

    @@andrewferguson6901 with the gif working is a bit harder... but search for "tempest for elise"

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I think VGA would be able to do this all incredibly well. But it's been a long time since I messed with it.

  • @Bp1033
    @Bp10332 ай бұрын

    Interesting how much of this I already knew from playing with audio. Rf and audio has a lot of overlap.

  • @nobodynoone2500

    @nobodynoone2500

    2 ай бұрын

    It's all wave theory. You will be suprised to see that other energy like light can be approached in a very similar way.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed. There's so many parts of the way our universe work that are all so interconnected.

  • @ShrirajHegde
    @ShrirajHegde2 ай бұрын

    Instant subscribe ! Saw the title and knew this was going to be good

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    We went through a ton of different titles before we finally settled on this one.

  • @Versette
    @Versette2 ай бұрын

    This is absolutely crazy o.O I was thinking about something similar before, but it just stayed as an idea with no plan of how to actually make it And you somehow managed to do it!!! And with such a protocol too.. I wasn't even thinking of LoRa You earned a subscriber)

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks! You could totally use my stuff as a basis to get started with taking this even further!

  • @NoorquackerInd
    @NoorquackerInd2 ай бұрын

    This is absolutely scary for IoT, imagine someone hacking into your freaking toaster and making a funtenna open your garage door

  • @kreuner11

    @kreuner11

    2 ай бұрын

    Ok, you'd have to be a fucking FSB agent to have that happen to you, there are much more psychical and easier ways

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    But I want my garage door to open 8 minutes after my toast pops up...

  • @Dazza_Doo
    @Dazza_Doo29 күн бұрын

    To help you on your journey. Eric Bogatin - There are those who intentionally make antennas, And those who aren't. Rick Hartley - Every trace needs a ground return plane or ground return path. Rise in full-time is what creates the frequency Not the frequency that you request from the micro controller

  • @raguaviva
    @raguaviva2 ай бұрын

    This is the hack of the decade, awesome video. Thanks for sharing!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @benroberts127
    @benroberts1272 ай бұрын

    This is an amazing project, LoRa has ingruiged me for some time, but to see this kind of a deep dive into it was very cool. I only wish I had the technical skills to attempt things like this! Very impressive.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I hope this filled in a lot of the spooky unknowns with LoRa.

  • @freedtmg16
    @freedtmg162 ай бұрын

    This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen! Lora is one hell of a protocol, and you are one hell of a hardware hacker!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    thank you

  • @GudinVladimir
    @GudinVladimir2 ай бұрын

    Wow! Absolutely fantastic video! And so unexpectedly large transmission distance! Thanks a lot for your work!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your comment.

  • @yotacoil
    @yotacoil2 ай бұрын

    That is some clever stuff, aliasing all around and using harmonics to get signals out, beautiful

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    It was a lot of fun too!

  • @brouettebredouille8320
    @brouettebredouille832023 күн бұрын

    This opens so many opportunities. Thanks dude

  • @TaiwoHY
    @TaiwoHY2 ай бұрын

    I danced a little when KZread recommended your new video. Dammn!!! You're crazy good. Now i gotta go back to hardware ❤

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    Software or hardware, it doesn't matter which as long as you keep going.

  • @TobyJackson
    @TobyJackson2 ай бұрын

    Amazing story. The engineering makes no sense to me, but explained in such a way that I could come with you on the journey. Really makes me wonder what the 3-letter-agencies are able to achieve with funtennas.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    There's already a lot of papers about all sorts of things average researchers are able to achieve with them.

  • @belesiu
    @belesiuАй бұрын

    It's really all about the performance of the receiver. I agree that constraints drives creativity. Being able to generate the LoRa protocol from a simple controller is very, very clever. Also, the emissions from a digital signal is a function of the rise and fall times as well as the period. The sharper the edges, the stronger the harmonics.

  • @PeterA650
    @PeterA65010 күн бұрын

    This is freaking awesome. You can essentially create the baseband using a cheap micro + 900MHz SAW + gain block. BTW, it's "megacycles" not "megasamples".

  • @GermanMythbuster
    @GermanMythbuster6 күн бұрын

    *The concept is SO COOL!* I have used a website about 10 Years ago, that used a Java web application to Transmit Audio to a AM Radio (I think, maybe it was FM). It used CPU EMI. 😮 (Sadly can't find it anymore) Security researchers also used GPUs to get data off of Air-Gapped systems.

  • @scottieburr
    @scottieburr2 ай бұрын

    you are a god. I whish I had an attention span as "short" as yours!! :D thanks for the effort you put in.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    It does take some discipline to quiet the more spongy things in our lives, like social media scrolling and YT shorts, but if you reject the petty fluff, it makes it a lot easier for even limited focus to develop. Sadly, I don't know if I'll ever fully recover from what facebook and instagram had done to my brain.

  • @theball1
    @theball12 ай бұрын

    Congratulations, one of the best things I've seen in a while!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @benzen78
    @benzen782 ай бұрын

    That's incredible work!! Thank you!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the comment

  • @pwarrow8858
    @pwarrow88582 ай бұрын

    This is absurd. In a good way. You are inasane. I am properly impressed. Great work !

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @AfeezAbdulAziz
    @AfeezAbdulAzizАй бұрын

    i subscribed immediately, amazing video.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    Glad to have earned your sub.

  • @sphelx
    @sphelxАй бұрын

    Thanks for this, I never knew that LoRA was actually a *closed* standard/protocol!

  • @NicksStuff
    @NicksStuff2 ай бұрын

    This is incredible. Absolutely incredible. But now you need to receive the packets!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I'll leave that as an exercise of the viewer.

  • @msytdc1577

    @msytdc1577

    2 ай бұрын

    @@CNLohr /me purchases Mikrotik receiver as seen in video 👨‍🍳💋🤌🤘😁

  • @KirtikSoni

    @KirtikSoni

    Ай бұрын

    lmao @@CNLohr

  • @badgerdash
    @badgerdash2 ай бұрын

    It's a serious big brain energy here! Subscribed!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks, glad I earned it.

  • @ChrisPrefect
    @ChrisPrefect2 ай бұрын

    LoRa is amazing. We did a range test with TBS Crossfire LoRa TX and RX and managed 23 km with 10mW on a drone.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    10kW on a drone what?

  • @ChrisPrefect

    @ChrisPrefect

    2 ай бұрын

    @@CNLohr damn, *mW 😅

  • @ChrisPrefect

    @ChrisPrefect

    2 ай бұрын

    @@CNLohr 100km test kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4CK2a-MfJjekcY.htmlsi=wzknpe34vWhc4tGc

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ChrisPrefect Whew. That's more like it. I'm surprised there's such a discrepancy. I'm putting out such little power, and yet it still somehow goes pretty far. 10mW is a LOT more power than even my EIRP.

  • @syedmohammadsuhaib7464
    @syedmohammadsuhaib74642 ай бұрын

    Ohh bio at last 😂😂had to wait so long to get to see some of your interesting stuffs

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    bio? What does that mean?

  • @ReTrace1
    @ReTrace12 ай бұрын

    Nice. Thank you for your hard work and proof of operation.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Welcome!

  • @blazehenot2536
    @blazehenot25362 ай бұрын

    Absolutely amazing stuff as always, here's hoping we eventually get that video on esp32-s2 overclocking. Knowing how cagey Espressif gets about that sort of thing it would be incredibly funny (and hopefully useful!!!) to have a chip running at more than twice the clock of their announced "High Performance" P4 (400MHZ)

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    It may or may not happen. I have to get more LN2. I wasn't able to get a lot of the tests and shots I wanted.

  • @MohiFa
    @MohiFa2 ай бұрын

    I'm in awe. Thank you!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for watching

  • @anispinner
    @anispinner2 ай бұрын

    The video itself has to be nominated for The Most Entertaining Movie in 2024 award. Thank you, Charles, for your groundbreaking work.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    We'll see how far it goes. The video's already done better than I expected.

  • @electgpl
    @electgpl2 ай бұрын

    Good video, it is a method used in radio frequency to obtain high frequencies from a stable time base of a lower frequency, the idea is to use overtone and filter the output so that it only delivers the corresponding harmonic. It is used a lot. Maybe if you add a bandpass filter and an amplifier you could have an interesting device. Regards from Argentina!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    A bandpass or maybe a class c would certainly help

  • @yourr_dude
    @yourr_dudeАй бұрын

    I have no idea what is going on here but I see a huge work that you’ve done

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    Ай бұрын

    I hope I've given you a foothold to understand the principles surrounding this project

  • @sellicott
    @sellicott2 ай бұрын

    Incredible as always!

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @ChaddRainsFPV
    @ChaddRainsFPV2 ай бұрын

    Subscribing for more Frank. Awesome work dude!! 🤙

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    I hope I can snag frank for more of these too! But he is a busy man.

  • @lo2740
    @lo27402 ай бұрын

    btw LoRa modulation was thought and developped in Grenoble, France.

  • @CNLohr

    @CNLohr

    2 ай бұрын

    That's pretty cool. I didn't know that it had its roots in a less corporate place.

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