Thanks for watching this clip. Full podcast with Elon Musk and Lex Fridman is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dqyGp89so5TZk6Q.html

@lautaroortiz2620

Жыл бұрын

sure:)

I'm building a shoe factory in Texas and the idea of disregarding the tools and methods which have always been used manufacturing this particular shoe design and concentrating on the ideal of the perfect product has opened my mind to a universe of possibilities I had never before imagined. Thank you Lex and thank you Elon!

@salvadoravila7145

2 жыл бұрын

I do care. Congratulations @David

@RogerBLai

2 жыл бұрын

I care as well

@7thwondergamin

2 жыл бұрын

@@andybaldman what's wrong with you goofy 🤣❤️ future is bright let's build

@milind-9683

2 жыл бұрын

Bro do it. Miserable people will make miserable comments. We all care about new ways of thinking and doing things. Jus do it.

@7thwondergamin

2 жыл бұрын

@@andybaldman the world needs less of your negative attitude. Building a future should anticipate sustainability. You are probably right in being against greed and this and utopia that. But start with your own temple. Change yourself before you yell at everyone else for their own journey. Lol change yourself if you want to change the world, literally.

here: "physics is law and every other thing is suggestion". that's the takeaway! the fact that he thinks manufacturing should approach the cost of arranging atoms in a particular way coupled with the cost of IP is simply amazing!

@avinouthkrs2126

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro.. also what does IP mean?

@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135

2 жыл бұрын

@@avinouthkrs2126 intellectual property

@jacksi8303

2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain what does that mean? I don't quite get it 😁😁😁 Thanks.

@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksi8303 an intellectual property is a creation of the mind used in business or commerce. if it's your creation and you patent (register it as yours) you could get paid by other people who use it to make money. technologies and procedures can be IP.

@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135

2 жыл бұрын

@AmateurThespian oh really? how do you mean?

7:15 on is pure gold. Applies to any type of problem solving or product. See it all the time in software.

@dragospahontu

2 жыл бұрын

Really?

@Jimbogf

Жыл бұрын

Elon started out in software.

@shyshka_

6 ай бұрын

one thing that is different about software is that in some fields/industries and for some requirements, the "new" methods simply suck or are not good enough. Some hippie builds a new tool/library which works for him, but is simply just dogshit at scale or with any added custom configuration, and then people are suddenly surprised why software companies are so reluctant to move to new things. And security requirements are and will continue to become only more complex as technology evolves

I've always looked at it this way: possibility thinking in design and process, guided singularly by customer/user desires and bounded only by the immutable laws of physics.

@iche9373

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget to troll on Twitter

Scientific method + First Principles + AGILE = Creative Disruptor Genius. The pattern cuts the cloth...

@abou8963

2 жыл бұрын

A more perfect engineer. Build the pattern to build the mind.

He seems very relaxed in your interviews.

@kingdoggie5231

2 жыл бұрын

It’s because Elon respects his intellect and knows that he can learn from him and benefit from it. Imo

@aformula4198

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingdoggie5231 who is lex?..his is the first time I've come across his channel

@janeswurld

2 жыл бұрын

He’s always relaxed when interviewed. He pauses before he answers a question or takes a breath I bet it’s all part of his genius

@dutchmastah07

2 жыл бұрын

@@janeswurld well it sort of is. He just takes the time to give the best possible answer he can. Something I wish more people did before they blurted out some non sense.

@jameshirt7689

2 жыл бұрын

In a robotic way.

7:45 what is the best arrangement of atoms then how do we build the tools to make it this way

5:19 I cant find this Keller talk. Does someone know if it is just no yet published or it was off camera?

@dalbertonyebuchi

2 жыл бұрын

A podcast with Jim Keller was done in February 2021: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWicrpeInZevepc.html

@dalbertonyebuchi

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThisIsNotWhatItLooksLik ok. Maybe the conversation happened somewhere else.😄

Damn that is the best way to think abt or approach any situation. Great interview. Amazing that I am learning of this way of thinking in my 50s / had not even heard abt this a year ago. Unbelievable (in a not good way)!

"Think of a perfect product, find the tools, and atoms are the limit", top-down thinking. Thanks for the video........

Does anyone have a link to where JIM was educating Lex on reducing robotic cost?

Key learning for me: don't flow into the inertia of conventional way of doing things, instead have a vision or idea of your ideal product, then work on solving problems to manufacture the product.

@papatips

Жыл бұрын

@Giorgio Armani ha ,22 yrs later chur

“I take the position that I'm always to some degree wrong, and the aspiration is to be less wrong.” - Elon Musk I need explanation of this .

@francisco444

2 жыл бұрын

I might add that he emphasizes that most people follow what they know and stick with it, so having skepticism or lessening our biases can help find new ways to solve problems.

@iainprendergast8311

2 жыл бұрын

You’ve just written your answer to your question.

@foremarke

2 жыл бұрын

Falilibilism

@1flash3571

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisco444 You are just stating what the "First Principal Thinking" is, not adding to the questions asked by web head.

@harveydent7559

2 жыл бұрын

Thinks like a scientist. Your ideas about reality are almost certainly wrong. So think that way going into it, discover new truths, and update your model/understanding of the universe. This correlates to so many things in life, including basic project mgmt. Did you ever meet a manager/employer who thought they knew everything, and then the project turned into a giant dumpster fire? People end up not succeeding because their own information bias and openness to accept being wrong. Elon's approach is just to realize you are already wrong about the path forward from the begining, so accept it and use that as the basis for your approach from the start. Similar mindset in agile software development

Sometimes i swear elon makes simple ideas sound so complicated

@maybeazzy

2 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah lmao

@Bhavesh_verma

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because he has so much knowledge, that he speaks like he's talking to someone as intelligent as him, he doesn't know we are average people who can't comprehend his alien language

@Daniel-Davies-Gonstead-Student

Жыл бұрын

Quite to the contrary. To me at least.

@FacundoCampazzo123

Жыл бұрын

Classic bullshit artist tactic. Make simple ideas convoluted so people think you're smarter than you are.

Why not A Unil rail which ships 3 high stacks . Straight over like flight straight to distribute centers. Could run under highways or above. With new designed lighter container tubes.

Sounds as simple as it gets building something at a fundamental level by the arrangement of atoms. The atom doesn't care what it is as long as it just is. And if you can get them in the arrangement you need, not much isn't possible.

@eternityseven6200

2 жыл бұрын

Just gotta figure out how Bosons communicate with quarks to direct protons, neutrons and electrons to organize to form matter... 🍻

@dragospahontu

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

Elon's engineering framework is guided by production and manufacturing at the atom level, and then considers production at the limits/extremes to assess what will produce the most cost-effective results (e.g. how can we get the cost of manufacturing done? How can we simplify the production from raw materials?

@DexGattaca

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "guided" here? Based on what was said in this interview what distinguishes a carpenter manufacturing a table and a Musk making a car?

@collector619

2 жыл бұрын

It was a figure of speech

@iche9373

Жыл бұрын

Elon isn’t even an engineer

@quentin2578

Жыл бұрын

@@iche9373 That's what he does with most of his time even though he's a CEO.

@iche9373

Жыл бұрын

@@quentin2578 The most time he is playing video games, Musk is an Impostor.

I was half expecting Luca Brasi to knock on the door midway through. Elon with big Don Corleone vibes in this video. Seriously though, thank you for the podcasts Lex. Yours have been in a league of their own this year.

I wish elon wasn’t so nervous such a fascinating individual

I’ve been in manufacturing engineering for 20 years and not once have I considered a product’s atoms.

He takes things to the limit, root cause analysis, reverse thinking 🤔, laws of physics, what if questioning.No wonder he is a genius.Thank you

@Harry-uq9qd

Жыл бұрын

he's not a genius, by a long shot.

@tradingjunction5003

Жыл бұрын

What

@tradingjunction5003

Жыл бұрын

Media fucked the mind of people

@krox477

8 ай бұрын

He's not genius the people he hire are genius

@RAY-Money

7 ай бұрын

​@@krox477oh wow. You figured that out, must be a genius. Why don't you give it a try. Hire genius mind and be a catalyst for greatest technological breakthrough

first principles. Lee Kuan Yew used said something similar.

Smaller and thinner the better in battery making.

7:00 arranging atoms…

6:46 weight at cost + Ip licensing = anything at volume

Elon Musk discusses the importance of first principles thinking in problem-solving and design. He emphasizes the need to ensure that engineering problems do not violate the laws of physics. First principles analysis involves boiling down a problem to its most fundamental truths and reasoning up from there. This approach allows for cross-checking of conclusions against axiomatic truths. Musk also highlights the value of thinking about things in the limit, such as scaling production to a large volume, to determine if cost reductions are possible. He mentions the example of volume manufacturing being more challenging than initial design. By considering the cost at a million units per year, one can determine if the design or complexity is the cause of high expenses. He further explains how to determine the lowest possible cost of a product by calculating the raw material value and rearranging atoms into the desired shape. The cost of manufacturing is then determined by the process of putting the atoms into the desired configuration. Musk asserts that with excellent manufacturing capabilities, anything can be made at a cost that approaches raw material value plus intellectual property licensing. Musk encourages thinking about the perfect arrangement of atoms for a product and then figuring out how to get the atoms in that shape. He warns against falling into the inertia of using familiar tools and methods, which may not lead to the ideal product. By thinking in both directions-using existing tools and materials while also striving for the perfect product-innovative solutions can be found. Overall, Musk emphasizes the need for first principles thinking and the importance of considering the platonic ideal of a product to drive innovation and create more perfect designs.

Where is the answer???

His hair transplant is on point!

This is the ideal education, Lex and Elon together. Thank You. We are so lucky to have KZread. Imagine if we could have watched The Fathers and Authors of the USA have long a meeting in pub or coffee house, how much stronger this nation would be.

@darkoblake9098

2 жыл бұрын

man exactly and iam not even american, i really want to somehow understand their thinking and futuristic and fearless they were. I wish was born in USA but anyway would try to make mine like yours.

@polysopher

Жыл бұрын

@@darkoblake9098 you should visit the US man! It’s so inspiring to realize that immigrants have built this country. Elon included.

@johnconn3054

Жыл бұрын

Federalist Papers

@jsunproter1940

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is one of the higher best uses of the internet. Education direct from the source.

@shaggyfeng9110

6 ай бұрын

good for you

Why does this seem.like it was filmed in the 90s? Awesome clip though. Always enjoy hearing elons thought process!!!

@benabernethy1405

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah that's what I thought! Loved it. Really reminded me of the opening of The Godfather. I thought Elon was going to make Lex an offer he couldn't refuse

“ok let’s make products” “what do we need to make them” elon musk: “atoms”

I'm on board 100%

"Think backwards." - Steve Jobs

hows the roadster?

The words “this didn’t age well” spring to mind.

moving towards the theoretical ideal product with cost of its raw materials plus intellectual property costs means that costs for assembly goes towards zero. Which if we assume that there is still a human in the loop is just outrageous or simply impossible. Tnere is the possibility to fully automate assembly but that still is connected to cost of machine, maintenance etc. Those machines if designed and manufacured efficiently could lead to lowest possible cost. But then we are stuck in a loop of machines assemblying machines assemblying machines that are doing it at marginal cost. This theoretical construct is neat and all to know lower limit of cost and all. After watching this video I wonder anyways if this is just a theoretical construct for Musk or he actually thinks it is a practrically achievable goal (which I highly doubt)

What Anout a robot that makes robots does that mess up the equation

6:46 7:15 7:45 9:05

Product; or technology?

I work in prototype work. It doesn't have to be that hard.

Thanks

Elon's mind. Everything he says has value, especially when the interviewer is HQ. Great stuff.

@DnVFMVs

2 жыл бұрын

machines knows other machines

@rjmb4687

2 жыл бұрын

im waiting for elon haters to show up on every positive comment.

@clickbaitpolice1750

2 жыл бұрын

@@rjmb4687 same

He did make a rocket that can return from space and land on a pad in the ocean….

@brandstefff

Жыл бұрын

Ah he had a team 😊

This is how you should think in general

Better idea. Air ship With multy drone copter .

I would say that's a elimination thinking we get it we can't break physics why not we focus on the possible outcomes rather than just eliminating the issues

I instantly read "How Elon Musk solves the money problems"

Fun fact: Jim Keller is the brother in law of Jordan Peterson

Excellent ❤

This is a master class here.

Its amazing how little he says...

@Lucalikesstuff

2 жыл бұрын

How do you mean this?

@l.k.2337

2 жыл бұрын

People are unthinking sheep and they're all copying each other in their insane glamorization of Creepy Musk. We're all struggling in an economic system of poverty and people are glorifying a billionaire who does nothing but breed and put precious resources into other planets? Something very sick going on here ... especially all the parroting comments that pedestal this creep.

@Lucalikesstuff

2 жыл бұрын

@@l.k.2337 the irony with your comment is that I've heard something similar many times before, so you unfortunately sound like an unthinking sheep yourself. I don't say this to insult, just to offer an outside perspective. People seem to often fall unknowingly into one of two camps: worship or revulsion. They then seem to parrot things they've heard from others without really finding out for themselves. The reality is that he just another flawed human being like the rest of us. He seems to have a pretty exceptional set of skills in particular areas as evidenced by having two very successful companies in industries where many have failed before. It's up for debate what that set of skills are, but statements from people who have worked for him seem to indicate that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to engineering, though he's apparently a hard boss to work for. Other than that, he appears to be a nerdy guy who's on the spectrum, enjoys a good meme, and should probably think a bit more before he tweets. Not sure why you would have a problem with investment into space, as it has always produced technologies that benefit humanity. And there are over 7 billion people in the world. Just because someone invests in something you don't think is important, doesn't mean other people can't invest in the things that you think are. Like yourself for example.

@DexGattaca

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Lucalikesstuff I mean he speaks in such broad and banal terms that he pretty much just utters truisms. Despite Lex's best attempts to read into it and elicit some form of insight... "If you get good enough at manufacturing your costs end up approaching the cost of raw materials"...no shit, really Elon. Mind blown. "But it's hard, it's a really hard thing to do..."

@Lucalikesstuff

2 жыл бұрын

@@DexGattaca it's easy to look at something with the benefit of hindsight or when someone distils it down for you and think "no shit", but when faced with the challenge on your own, the simple truisms aren't that obvious. There are reasons why Elon's companies have succeeded where others haven't and why they currently out-perform others in manufacturing ability/efficiency. It's in no small part (among other reasons) due to Elon's ability to break a problem down into those "truisms". I, and others, can find useful information in what is said in this interview, so maybe the deficiency is with you rather than Elon?

All you gotta do is figure out the arrangement of atoms that make the perfect part. Eureka!

Lex and Elon: Two AI machines trying to interact like humans!

@thecurrentmoment

5 ай бұрын

That's hilarious!

Once you know what you want to do, physics is great for first principles thinking. But how do you use first principles thinking to decide what you want to happen? I would love to hear how Elon decides the most fundamental axioms, distinguishing good from bad.

@marcuswhyrealis8829

2 жыл бұрын

Hierarchy of needs.

@alexanderpalencia4223

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why psychics is incorrect because matter was no the first basic thing as he says atoms ⚛️ are and it shouldn’t be that hard to understand and Comprehend the formula. And I learned a similar way of thinking, I learned and understand quantum mechanics in one day, the next day the binary sistem in 30 minutes and took me two seconds to show proof but this proof it’s obsolete After learning any Science and fix knowing the solution to make it into a physical matter or formula today I started to proof math is incorrect because our system is upside down are incorrect or lack of information in their definition. But I just felt the most horrible pain right now so that means I’m not ready yet. But there’s a reason why it’s called TESLA, he created nanotechnology and pretty much everything else and he believed the way of learning things And everything has to do with the primary number . So if you can’t prove don’t even get into that because it’s not Scientology but it’s the strongest where are you thinking of the problem he said we don’t know I do but like around 1 o’clock almost had a stroke or something because every every part of my body started hurting but I’ve been taking I’ve been studying and learning more and more and I don’t want to have a stroke or aneurysm or go crazy because you are not ready all right don’t have the funds and I don’t know if I want that technology to be out for the evil to use so I’m meditation I know how to heal myself I’m just Leaving this message do you understand that if you’re not ready and you try it You will disappear I love you all

@onthearth1

Жыл бұрын

Mmmh given the way his life has been unfolding; I don't think he's figure that out!

@elindauer

Жыл бұрын

@@onthearth1 Ha yes maybe. To me, giving the world electric cars and reusable rockets makes Twitter missteps look like small potatoes, but since good and bad are only opinions the ones that hate him are not wrong.

Wait, I've always thought this way. You mean it isn't normal?

Love this mindset!🦾

Lex is such a gentle soul

Two robots talking to each other 😂 No hate tho, obsessed with this conversations

@ElonMusk-tn1qn

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for you love and support

sounds like Tesla applied First Principles to gigacasting 8)

I can't believe this is free

I wish I could construct the atoms of my life in a perfect cost effective way

Teslabot is the real terminator

thanks for these vidoes

That's how Hannibal Lecter helped Clarice find Buffulo Bill.

@roberts932

2 жыл бұрын

With the assistance of Marcus Aurelius.

@fortjules288

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberts932 😆

you need to change the tune.. it is too damn sleepy in here

Why does Lex look like hes always just drank a whole bottle of Nyquil

This logic doesn't take into account markets, competition, or scarcity. As demand for a material increases with increased volume, the price will feel pressure to change one way or another. That change can be modeled, but is impossible to 100% accurately predict. Therefore, there will always be risk associated that is impossible to avoid or control. I still think its a useful way of thinking, but its important for people to realize that luck still has something to do with a successful outcome regardless of how careful we are.

I really font get why lex is so obsessed with this guy

If you do, help me succeed, or don't I accept that too

Brilliant

GENIUS

cool video

A normal guy solves problem by thinking hard, a genius solves with little thinking, but a person with power solves problem without thinking at all. So.. Power is above reason.

"like take a rocket or whatever" LOL

The goal should be to teach tesla bots to acquire raw materials and manufacture tesla bots. Then everything will become cheap.

@Jimbogf

Жыл бұрын

A self-replicating AI robot. Sounds like fun, what could go wrong? lol

I see why Elon takes digs at chess players. Our minds our built for this and we are sitting around playing a game instead. Elon wants us for his work force.

@inspiregrow2336

Жыл бұрын

True in this thing I agree with Jack ma Humans should work 3 days a week as automation comes

help me, Musk, provide for my family.. I know you could... but if you don't... I guess i will have to come up with a patent.

@l.k.2337

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. We're all living in a system of poverty and slavery, many dying because we can't afford homes or adequate healthcare, and Musk is a creepy breeder who is spending billions on frivolous attempts to dirty up other planets. It's insane that the sheeple are all parroting their pedestalling idealization of this creep.

lex fridman says things without saying things.

Step 1: Withdraw a Billion in Cash. Step 2: Problem Solved.

Elon Really is The Sun in My Sky🌝

Did Quantum Physics break Physics ???

Like l said earlier Lex, 'Can l have fries 🍟 with my Cut?'

How is this not common sense? It’s literally how innovation happens… you think about the end and work on the means to reach the end.

I think it would be fun to be your friend. I'm your age, and I think like you - storm and all. I'm an Accountant. We are able to solve any problem. It's just a matter of intuiting and defining the unknown factor. I can keep a secret, as well.

physics is a law everything else is a recommendation.

I see batman and robin.... or joker and batman

Elon Musk is Zephram Cochran

Guess who just got a Tesla...boom "me" my Crypto really got to the moon hahaha

@expresscouriercompany2575

2 жыл бұрын

That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Delia Luna

@hanma3664

2 жыл бұрын

I heard her strategies are really good

@lucasfredrick9837

2 жыл бұрын

She's obviously the best I invested 2000USD with her and in 9days I made a profit of 9101USD

@lucasfredrick9837

2 жыл бұрын

@@expresscouriercompany2575 i gifted my mom a Tesla.❤ feels fulfilling

@saanvi848

2 жыл бұрын

That's crazy ..what do you do for a living?

While I agree with this, there are a lot of problems that can be solved without being this perfect. He is simply solving problems that are the most complex in human history - this is what it takes to solve Elon sized problems. 99% of the other ones can be solved with decent critical thinking.

@Rick-ll3jz

2 жыл бұрын

Not complex at all, or maybe because I am a student of physics

@R1C4RD0R3D15

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rick-ll3jz You don't think building the most intricate rocket propulsion system to ever exist is "complex"? You should be building them too then, you could bring great things to humanity,

@shyshka_

6 ай бұрын

@@R1C4RD0R3D15 when breaking it down to small pieces, the complexity decreases dramatically, and yeah, an individual engineer will never work on the WHOLE fcking rocket, I hope you do understand that? I'm sure even Elon isn't in the know of everything that's happening on a daily basis ALL THE TIME, I mean that's why you hire other engineers in the first place. The things that slows things down are the current limits of our understanding of physics, and the high number of dependancies of the whole system. Shit just takes a long time to do, it's not like they're waiting for Elon to come up with an Eureka moment one day and the whole thing is solved, all of it is just a loop of a development and testing process. And yeah, stop talking like that, referring to things as "elon sized problems". That is just so cringe

@R1C4RD0R3D15

6 ай бұрын

@@shyshka_ You just said a lot of things that have almost nothing to do with what I said. I'm definitely not going to start referring to problems as "NextPhase" sized problems. It isn't cringe, it is completely true. The problems he solves are on a different scale than most people that walk this Earth. Get over yourself. You can't even properly address a comment on KZread without looking like a 9 year old.

The first principle thinking is a great start. When you start moving into different levels of complexity, visiting the first principles many times is not going to solve anything. What it means is that one of the complexity levels is not well understood. Maybe, one of your workers has memorized a level of complexity and doesn't fully understand it. Sometimes by surrendering to the problem ( not giving up) intuition provides the answer from nowhere. I call this the inner teacher that draws from the Information Dimension? All knowledge has structure and patterns. The first principle is step one.

Thank you Lex

nice

WHY STAMP AND WELD THE ATOM IF YOU CAN INJECT IT LIKE THE GIGACASTING. SIMPLE PICTURING. DONT RELY ON THE TOOL MAKE THE TOOL TO MAKE THE THING YOU WANT TO CREATE.

Elon and Lex, you guys rule xD

Could Musk apply his First Principles thinking to designing a product to block the signal/signals technology that causes so called 'Havana Syndrome with Frey Effect'.? Signals attacks by unknown Signals Army Units or elite Corporate groups as of now are unblockable. Re. Musk's interview, he forgets the power of advertizing and consumerism.Andy Warhol saw that.

First principal apply

E💥💚🌠lon Musk is amuzing and best leader fo younger in their proffesions❤🌐 Congratution and blessing to you❤🌠🌏

He doesn't?

Thinking? You are going to Mars. I were already there and working to correct the problems that arose.

@alexghous

Жыл бұрын

That day when every member of your crew works for someone else, is the wrong time to prepare.

@alexghous

Жыл бұрын

I don’t even call it Mars. I call it “Earth too.”

@alexghous

Жыл бұрын

I intend to terraform it, using nearby asteroids. God gets 10% off the top. That His children always have some place to go. The control of evil, must be dealt with first. Otherwise.... you might as well put a gun to their heads here and now, for the difference it will make.

@alexghous

Жыл бұрын

I will not allow evil to turn my dream into its nightmare.

@alexghous

Жыл бұрын

None will have it at that rate of exchange.