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33 years old and I’m honestly still as obsessed and fond of Dragonball! Always appreciate these videos

@owithani

7 ай бұрын

same here but I'm in my mid-20s instead

@marxist-leninist-protagonist

5 ай бұрын

Im 22, got the full manga set and honestly wouldnt mind having a DBZ themed birthday party

Yamamuro in 90's was the GOAT. I miss that era so much...

@Fahel14

7 ай бұрын

He did a bad transition from traditional to digital animation, gave in to a lot of modern animation "problems" like the excessive use of "shiny bits" that makes everything looks kinda plastic. But even so, he remains a master of his art (in my opinion)

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

He's doing a good job in Super Dragon Ball Heroes. then watch

Given the (I’m assuming) tight schedule of DBZ and anime in general, I’m amazed that Yamamuro was able to do so many detailed corrections in such a short amount of time

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

He's a very fast man and still is

@C052-ip9zs

7 ай бұрын

the style evolution... still good at doin his correction job tho!@@forgottenrelics1197

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

He is the greatest dragon ball animator. He is the guy

It's crazy how good Yamamuro was in this era.

@Fahel14

7 ай бұрын

He did a bad transition from traditional to digital animation, gave in to a lot of modern animation "problems" like the excessive use of "shiny bits" that makes everything looks kinda plastic. But even so, he remains a master of his art (in my opinion)

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

@@Fahel14 Yamamuro never switched to digital, he still draws on paper till this day. And you can find him adding highlights to characters back with GT. Even in Z you can spot them here and there - gt era twitter.com/datwerg/status/1660384250020122625/photo/2 -twitter.com/lifesong1000/status/1057896517107732480/photo/1

@MrJakotic

7 ай бұрын

He's still amazing at what he does but his drawings are not as pleasing to the eye in modern day. His characters lack expressive features. You see a lot of very basic shapes, like with his eyes and noses and the way he draws muscle groupings makes characters bodies look segmented and rigid. From a casual viewers perspective these just seem like major nitpicks but when you've seen how good his drawings can be compared to what they are now it is a bit disappointing.

@specialnewb9821

7 ай бұрын

@forgottenrelics1197 I like the highlights, when they totally lack it their faces look flat to me (like in Broly movie) but it needs to be restrained. Like that legendary Hearts/Goku fight in Universe Mission which I think was Shida?

@owithani

7 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 wow I can't believe he still draws on paper. really cool

As an American I’ve never heard anyone say knit cap in my life lmao, def a beanie here too

Mate, we Americans call it a beanie. I've heard it called a "skully" once or twice by some skaters, but we call them beanies like everyone else.

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

Thought so lol

@Mendrawza24

7 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 yeah knitted cap is what they put on the signs at the store.

Omg i love when people explain corrections and why it looks better It's cool that Yamamuro completely redrawn Shida's cut. It's like you have the best of each one, Shida's smooth timing and Yamamuro's pleasant drawings.

I like Keisuke Masunaga and Yuya Takahashi’s style so it’s cool to see these!

We call it beanies too

I love the level of detail you put into these analyses. You have an amazing eye for these design and animation differences and must put a lot of effort to even look into the artists for each sequence.

Yamamuro really went nuts on corrections for the love of the game. What a legend. All the corrections you displayed couldve been minor, but the impact was dumb major.

Glad we got a little insight into production of "We Gotta Power." Its not as iconic as "Cha-La Head-Cha-La" but its still a pretty good OP in its own right.

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

Hopefully one day we'll get some more production material from that OP

@mechajay3358

7 ай бұрын

​@@forgottenrelics1197 Lets hope that'll happen.

we call it beanie's too in america, who says knit cap?? lmaooo

7:14 Funny how both myself and Shida sketch characters like that layout he did for the We Gotta Power OP. For someone who's been recently into art and animation of Dragon Ball, I guess.

We call them beanies here in the US too,. I've never heard them be called a nit cap before and I would've assumed it's a British name. Also gotta say, THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT THESE DRAWINGS ARE CALLED! I'll now have an easier time looking these up for future reference! Fantastic video yo :D

Speaking of Genga planning, after all that, Toei got ready to turn it into a colored 16mm reel made for TV and other dubs. You should look into the 16mm and 32mm reels in the DB series.

ngl the genga 18 looks better than the final result

LOVED this VIDEO! Please KEEP THESE UP my friend 😊

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

thank you!!

have to be honest, i always loved this opening more than the original z op, shame it doesnt get as much love

@owithani

7 ай бұрын

"angels" is also underrated. Hironobu Kageyama in general is underrated

I love videos like this, I would kill for you to post more often

How did the fall of Yamamuro even happen?

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

He's just getting older and changing his style. Akira Toriyama too changed your style, don't do it anymore arts like did in the 90s

I love your channel man, this stuff is so inspiring for myself.

@forgottenrelics1197

4 ай бұрын

thanks dude! much appreciated :)

Thank you for the lovely christmas gift!!

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

No problem Von!! Glad you enjoyed this one haha

love the detail in your content

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

thank ya!!

Bro, I just got an ad for dragon ball z from Crunchyroll KEKW

Inagami is VERY underrated! His characters look so fierce! Hope they hire him again!

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

He still works for Toei to this day.

@MrShahrozzz

7 ай бұрын

@forgottenrelics1197 That's good to hear. Do they not give him the lead often in projects? I've not seen that fierce artsyle in DBS 🤔

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@MrShahrozzznah he still works as an Animation Director and does key animation. Although he was already busy on the Precure series which is why he never came onto Super and still is heavily involved with that series to this day. So I would be surprised to see him come back again. In regards to fierce art. There was already old school animators like Shida putting out very expressive work like at 0:23. And new guys like Takahashi 3:12.

@MrShahrozzz

7 ай бұрын

@forgottenrelics1197 Ahh I see, thanks so much for the info man! 😁 It's something about those thick brows with the strong lines in muscles that makes them look legendary! I hope we get to see that type of art again

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

@@MrShahrozzzAll good man! And it would be interesting to see the thick eyebrows a bit pupils back. A lot of it is dependant on who the character designer is. Even Inagami’s work in the buu arc looks a lil different as he leans more into Nakatsuru’s designs :) twitter.com/datwerg/status/1007779343504830464/photo/1

Great video

I, for one, wish we had gotten Takeo Ide's muscle mommy Android 18.

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

yeah, on second thought i was probs too harsh on ide

@MADKapo

7 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 I mean, I understand the correction, to make her look more on model, but I just love muscle girls lmao.

You should rename this video to *"Why 90s Yamamuro is the Goat"*

So awesome to see you do Dragon Ball videos! Here's hoping there will be more with the next Daima relevations.

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

For sure man!!

Thank you!

I just love seeing Shida gengas

LOL everyone in America calls it a beanie lol. I've never heard those other weird ones.

I like the uncorrected vegeta in the thumbnail maybe more that the changed version.

Great video! But as someone from the USA, I have to say that me and almost everyone I know always called them "Beanies" and not "Knit Caps" lol

seeing these is just generally amazing... i like looking into the creation process of really anything art related and, while this lacks some of the insight on why the changes were made from the actual artists, does a good job at highlighting the process overall also, we in america call those beanies too.... at least my part of america

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! And yeah, I probably should’ve gone into what an Animation Director is and there job. Essentially these corrections were made to bring the designs closer to the character sheets and create stylistic consistency as that can naturally vary when you have a bunch of different artists working on the one thing. And also just to improve the general quality of the art. Proportions, Posing, Perspective etc.

I'm the one who asked for this video.

Goddamn Yamamuro was a fucking beast dude. I'd argue some of the corrections he made for SHIDA of all people blow the original out of the water. How the mighty have fallen.

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

It's still a beast!! Are you working on Super Dragon Ball Heroes

Videos like these make me really sad thinking that super had the potential to be an artistic masterpiece if the producers were to just simply fucking take their time. Budget is obviously not the issue consideration DB is one of the most profitable IP of all time overall

@Fahel14

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, usually the production of an anime starts years in advance, but some people say that Super's production started around six months before the anime first episode aired

0:38 that’s me guys I’m a Naoki Miyahara fan I’m one of the two people who wanted to know

Great video! I own the three Piccolo pieces, from 2:59.

@forgottenrelics1197

6 ай бұрын

ayee thats so cool!! do you have a twitter/insta page were you post up your collection?

Please can you make a video also talking about the artists who made the official Dragon Ball promotional art, such as posters, those Dragon Ball Cards, etc. I would love to know who were the artists who drew those promotional arts images

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

Tadayoshi Yamamuro, Minoru Maeda, nakatsuri and other artists that are unknown did the arts

currently watching this video while taking a 💩

imo the fat face vegeta for the intro is better than the sleek boi.

Have you ever thought of breaking down Super OP2? That shit was really nice

the us calls it a beanie btw

Beanies are called beanies in America; dunno what Google was cooking with that one. I’ve heard “knit cap” maybe a handful of times, but 99% of people here are gonna call it a beanie.

Please do,Why toshiyuki kan'no is a legend!

Return of the G.O.A.T

I’m so curious where you get your animation knowledge from? Is it just from being involved in the medium for so long? It’s very impressive.

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

Was one of my subjects when I was at Uni which is where I got introduced to the fundamentals, but the majority came from studies after. Wether blogs or books by animators.

@Eztaian

7 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 I see. That’s awesome. Your knowledge in your videos always impressed me, glad I found your channel. Any animator books you recommend?

👏👏👏

Both looked good

I liked vegetas thicker face and bigger eyebrows and to me the best art style for dragonball

We call it beanie here in the US. I have never heard what you called it. 😭

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

I thought so. Google threw me off haha

bro if would actually be sick if you were an animator.

4:52 Didn't knew Naotoshi Shida worked for Digimon Universe lol

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, he’s worked are fair bit on the Digimon franchise. He’s done a good amount of storyboarding on it as well 👍

This video made me laugh i kept saying "ofc yamamuro did"

Those are the artists we needed most in Super. They rarely get involved.

@Sydney-wi1ym

6 ай бұрын

That's not true, majority, a lot of the animators mentioned in this video animated some of the most important dbs scenes.

Akita inagami is so sharp

Someone calculate the power level of that TV, please.

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

fah real, still waitin

"knit cap" my brother in sakuga google is LYING we do NOT call it that 😭

Prime yamamuro is a goat

The rounder look its more common in movies

Please do Yu-Gi-Oh dsod at some point

ngl There's somethin bout genga that kinda jus looks cooler to me than the final product in most cases tho obv no offense or insult lol

Android 18 was definitely a downgrade when it was edited, it would have aged a lot better if it remained like the original sketch\cel.

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

Woman with muscles doesn't it matches a lot. The fix got better. She looked really pretty in the z

@MashupsByMandy

6 ай бұрын

@@desenhosparasempre_ Fighters are not meant to look skinny, plus male heroes get pumped full of muscles in places people are not even supposed to have muscles. It makes more sense for an cyborg human to develop muscles than a saiyan who literally can't gain muscles due to physical labor not being able to cause any physical strain in their bodies. Yet for some reason female characters in these shows must look like skinny girlfriend material.

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

@@MashupsByMandy I think you need to review Dragon Ball, the Saiyan saga where Goku trained in very high gravity and gave him his muscles. Vegeta also trained a lot. Remember if also that the number 18° is half organic. So it doesn't make much sense and she didn't need muscles to show that he was strong. Even number 17 had no muscles. It would even be strange for the two of them together.

@MashupsByMandy

6 ай бұрын

@@desenhosparasempre_ All of them already had muscles, it just increased how big they were. Android 18 isn't half organic, she is a human with cybernetic augmentation. In the outside only her eyes are synthetic.

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

@@MashupsByMandy It doesn't match!!! it would get weird. I thought the correction was cool, it matched n°17

He'd likely tank it, he did tank cells slap after all.

They're called beanies here. Though, they are are a type of knit cap.

Prime yamamoro

0:17 is that correction genuinely meant to be an improvement?

@forgottenrelics1197

Ай бұрын

apparently to uchiyama it was haha

What are these letters? B9, A2, B3 ???

Can you make video of how to become an animator

It's time to make video about current Toyotarou 🎉🎉

@forgottenrelics1197

6 ай бұрын

its been years since ive the read the manga haha

@haangtran6918

6 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 he he

It's incredible to know Yamamuro was once a marginally better artist than the powerhouse that is Shida.

Dude what happened to your "why was one punch man season 2 so mediocre" video I can't seem to find it 😅?

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

unlisted it

@AnimeKlipsOffical

3 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 and now it's back again :D

I'm american and call it a beanie

What about the first Dragon Ball Z opening?

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

From what I’ve seen there’s a lot less production material for it available then the 2nd OP Hopefully some more surfaces online one day

Nah bro thats a beanie

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

cheers

original is original baby 😁 its obvious to draw own style but the question is who made it❤ i like both but old Vegeta is better because he is not look lil baldy type😂 yamamuro tried to make better but he did bitter 😅 only for Vegeta's forehead.... sorry but its true 😇

Uchiyama's correction over Shida's Super Saiyan Goku is a down grade.

@forgottenrelics1197

6 ай бұрын

a big one :(

americans call them beanies too

Americans call it a beanie.

Yamamuro downgrading 18... I didn't need more reasons to dislike him

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

Idk, the eyes were a bit off, but even with the exception of that one, the rest of his corrections are great. He's an amazing artist.

@skurt5525

7 ай бұрын

@@forgottenrelics1197 Yeah but consider that he took away 18's muscles? What was lost can't be forgiven

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

@@skurt5525 you’ve got a point

@desenhosparasempre_

6 ай бұрын

@@skurt5525 Women with muscles don't really suit each much. It got better with the fix

Rip to all the sketches that were made worse

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

which ones?

@stephencarter7321

7 ай бұрын

0:09 Shida killed it until it was """corrected"""@@forgottenrelics1197

@stephencarter7321

7 ай бұрын

0:19 ***

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

@@stephencarter7321won’t disagree there 😞

Recommend everyone not to subscribe to ANY British KZreadr and find American ones instead. Don't ask why. 🤭

@forgottenrelics1197

7 ай бұрын

??

@mechadeka

3 ай бұрын

Cringe.

I, for one, wish we had gotten Takeo Ide's muscle mommy Android 18.