This was a truly fantastic visit and I couldn't be happier to share it with you all. Stay tuned for more follow up videos on wargaming and naval history. Also, are there any other places you suggest I visit next?

@danielbrooks7764

4 жыл бұрын

Army War College Department of Strategic Wargaming (Carlisle Barracks, PA); National Defense University CASL (FT. McNair, DC); Command and General Staff College Simulations and Wargaming Division (Ft. Leavenworth, KS), and the RAND institute.

@ilikemoviesandmore

4 жыл бұрын

Rome of course! Have your own personal triumph :)

@thebates5938

4 жыл бұрын

The Pentagon!

@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676

4 жыл бұрын

Moscow War Museum

@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676

4 жыл бұрын

@@thebates5938 Can do that by playing Call of Duty BO Zombies

Admissions officer: so why are you interested in attending? Me internally: don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer Me: I wanna play fancy...magic the gathering

@adrianalfonsocardenasherna7787

3 жыл бұрын

warhammer is already fancy, you know how much it costs?

@iconthe7324

2 жыл бұрын

@@adrianalfonsocardenasherna7787 ITS NOT FANCY ENOUGH

@iconthe7324

2 жыл бұрын

WE NEED IT TO BE F A N C I E R

@cragnamorra

2 жыл бұрын

Admissions officer reply: Yeah, we do that! You're in!

@davidfinch7407

2 жыл бұрын

"It's because I want to play fancy Warhammer." DAMMIT! "Yes, sir, the U.S. Navy Waughh simulator is right this way..."

Creative Assembly should take a visit, maybe they'll finally figure out how to improve naval battles...

@Dacoobers

4 жыл бұрын

Damn son

@hawkeye7527

4 жыл бұрын

Give em some

@pilotpig9439

4 жыл бұрын

That's quite a roast

@redapple360

4 жыл бұрын

seriously I hope I can see a day where AI is atleast like drunk 12 years old kid.

@JackIsNotInTheBox

4 жыл бұрын

SAVAGE

All these years of playing total war games finally payed off, and my mom said all those "lost" hours wouldnt amount to anything WHO IS LAUGHING NOW MOM

@Gunni1972

4 жыл бұрын

she is, because you are still not getting paid to do so.

@carnage237

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gunni1972 savage

@alexcorvuscazador5596

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gunni1972 Probably, but dear God if I still got a good time out of those 1000 plus hours of game so it was worth it xD. The General will see it and bow down to me...hopefully.

@anab0lic

4 жыл бұрын

Total war, the strategy games with no strategy.

Modern schools: We will improve our teaching by incorporating games into our classes. Navy War College: You mean, what we did 130 years ago?

"Learning the game was about a month of teaching". Children, let the man introduce you to the ungodly 6th edition of Warhammer.

1 v 1 me on total war rn nerd

@abcbcacba

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@Harshhaze

4 жыл бұрын

*Laughs in Varangian Guard*

@caboosefromsteam1582

4 жыл бұрын

@@Harshhaze Laughs In Dismounted Conquistadore

@anab0lic

4 жыл бұрын

Total war, the strategy games with no strategy.

@caboosefromsteam1582

4 жыл бұрын

@@anab0lic I would disagree, as there is some strategy involved. Now I wouldn't go as far to say that it requires the most strategy or has the best way implement your strategy.

As a D&D GM I was impressed they could plot 3 minutes of maneuvers in 30 mins. 3 minutes of combat might take us all night.

@Globalnet626

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the calculus of wheter or not a ship should continue on this course, change bearing/speed, fire weapons from it's selection of maybe 6 different ordinances is a lot less than your typical lvl 10 player haha

@hungrymusicwolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Globalnet626 I suppose the navy has their new officers for the picking amongst the DnD community then.

@realdragon

Жыл бұрын

TBH soldiers don't have 10 different spells to choose

@dingus_doofus

Жыл бұрын

@@realdragon And I'd wager they don't get distracted by banter and attempts of breaking or cheesing the game.

@mistry6292

Жыл бұрын

to be fair 5e is full of combat bloat

I served in Sim's Hall between 1978 and 1980, mainly as a terminal operator for the various officers gaming and the "Admiral" officiating. The main game floor (not shown in the video) was an auditorium seating approximately 300, a gaming floor for about 30 officers, with the focal point being the world's largest (at the time) computerized projection screen (roughly the size of an Imax screen). Officers "manning" the on-screen ships were housed in small offices, cut off from all visuals and communications except traditional "ship-board" comms, with the results of their choices shown in real time on the screen. The computer system was housed in a separate room approximately the size of two city busses. I met Tom Clancy there, who had an office set aside so he could conduct research, write, and interview personnel. I loved serving there, and had the Navy allowed it, I would have served there until retirement. But in 1980 I was forced to either reenlist for duty onboard a ship or leave the service. I truly did not enjoy shipboard duty, so I left. Bad decision? Hmmm...

@shawnp6744

Жыл бұрын

1992-95. Exactly the same set up third floor in the center wing was the cells as you describe. The gaming floor was center wing first floor. The west wing plenum area was actually a converted swimming pool. You could even see the old tiles on the walls. We had 25 or so OS's doing games. In early 1995 Admiral Strasser (War College President) said hey Simms Hall while historic and ok for war gaming was becoming inefficient and we need a new building for the War Gaming Department. Our group in Advanced Concepts actually was tasked with what a "perfect" War Gaming building would look like. We over two months from June-July 1995 even did "furniture" drills for what a perfect room would be. Late July 1995 we finished (this design group was so important that 4 of us got pulled from Global 95 to help design the new building). We finished the design and sent it to the architects for designs and detailed prices. The room design was my last tasking and went back to sea on CG-64 for 5 years. Did a port call in Newport in 1997 and saw them breaking ground on McCarty-Little.

Suddenly, I realized how my perfect mancave is going to look like.

What I imagine in war gaming simulation. Admiral: I've sunk your battleship!!

I love your content in general but HOLY CRAP was that cool. I guess I didn’t realize that the Navy has been playing military D&D since the 1800s. I have quite a bit of research to do, and I’m looking forward to the upcoming vids on this topic!

Took a few seminars there over the years. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! I thoroughly enjoyed all the faculty that I met with there and hope the experience was a good one.

This is an excellent interview. I always noticed that when a interviewee is talkative, it's best to sit back and listen. Invicta was brilliant in this interview by allowing the historian to present his full presentation uninterrupted. I felt like we received a lot of data in a very short time. I can't stand the Joe Rogan's of the world who cuts off the guest and takes them off topic. I feel like we miss half the story. Invicta should have a gaming facility of his own where he can teach people how to be a strategic documentary producer. :)

@skymarbles7953

4 жыл бұрын

Except he was leaning back and forth and looking around showing disinterest and impatience...

@theespatier4456

4 жыл бұрын

The Bates It’s a guided tour, not an interview at all though.

@theespatier4456

4 жыл бұрын

Sky Marbles Have you ever been on a guided tour? You’re standing still listening to someone for hours and staring intently at them when it’s just the two of you would be really awkward.

@skymarbles7953

4 жыл бұрын

@@theespatier4456 you can't compare a guide tour with a interviewer . when someone talks directly to you and you are alone ,you won't look at the persons shoes . because eye contact is a sign of respect and attention.

@theespatier4456

4 жыл бұрын

Sky Marbles It’s a guided tour though... not an interview.

Fantastic! Did a lot of Harpoon (civilian wargaming system, but so detailed that Clancy used and later got in trouble for his accuracy) in my youth. It'd be fun to play at that scale.

@MG-bs5mr

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever play Jane's Fleet Command?

Thanks for sharing this. Imagine the feeling in the heat of a large war game as your teachers and peers judge you.

I want to see Prestige military school vs Pro HOI player in this game.

@furinick

4 жыл бұрын

Get a hoi 4 guy with a total war guy and make some type of chain of command with gamers, against trained military Now that's gaming

@lucioordo3647

4 жыл бұрын

@@furinick hoi3 would be alot more interesting

@furinick

4 жыл бұрын

@@lucioordo3647 dear god

@adrianalexandrov7730

4 жыл бұрын

That's a documented story that during ww2 British admiral Max Horton played against Janet OKell of WATU to test suggested tactics against u-boats. Lost three in a row against just turned 18 non-officer girl.

@alaric_3015

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianalexandrov7730 does the tactic of this 18 non officer girl eventually be used IRL?

I really love how you put so much effort into your videos and your content in generall! That you visit places and sites and talk with actual people that know their field instead of relying solely on written information. Really awesome man, love your work, keep it up, wont take long before you hit 1 mil subs. & Take care!

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I do hope to conduct more of these sorts of visits to serve as a bridge between the public and the historical community. Lot's of fun in store! I'll see you at 1 million : )

The open source strategy game Battle for Wesnoth shows a detailed probability breakdown of what effects a possible attack can have on the defender and attacker. A good move in my opinion.

I had a chance to go for a week when I was 16, but the training got cancelled. I am impressed and incredibly jealous you got to have this opportunity. Thank you so much for sharing.

Fascinating tour and interview, thankyou to the War College for allowing this!

Absolutely stunning video. I can't wait for the new ones in the series!!!

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Be sure to share around if you enjoyed : )

@josephkarl2061

4 жыл бұрын

Wot he said 👌

Great series, as all your videos! I hope that youtube revenue is good, as you certainly deserve it for the level of professionalism put into your channel. Cheers!

Awesome! I would probably never get a chance to see this in person. Thank you for bringing this experience to us.

Your excitement is contagious

what a cool video. Don't see content like this very often. Love it!

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! It was a blast to visit and I definitely look forwards to sharing the rest. For me, the discussion of how modern military wargaming works Pete Pellegrino is definitely a highlight.

It takes a month to learn the rules? I'd love to see that rule book!

@Madhattersinjeans

4 жыл бұрын

​@S Uriel Pretty sure it does, but it certainly doesn't have the kind of rules people are familiar with. In this context they're referring to physical representations of what would happen, not in the traditional moral sense that rules are applied to society. Mundane things like your boat will only move at X speed and cannot go faster than Y speed. Not rules like don't kill thy neighbour. That would be societal rule.

@michaelsommers2356

4 жыл бұрын

Wargame rules are significantly more complex than the rules of Scrabble or Monopoly. Even the rules to early commercial wargames, such as Tactics II of 1958. Especially if you have never encountered such a thing before. Some people never get the hang of them.

@michaelsommers2356

4 жыл бұрын

@S Uriel _"War has no rules dumb fuck"_ Wargames do have rules, and Pellegrino was talking about games, not actual war.

@thesteaksaignant

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsommers2356 agreed. Also war do have rules such as the laws of physics

@keenan_wt

4 жыл бұрын

@Rick Dawg it does have fucking rules and if you break them they are called war crimes. WHO IS THE DUMB FUCK NOW???

Awesome! Thanks for sharing this unique experience with us Invicta.

Visited the Naval College Museum at Annapolis a couple years back . Need to visit this one too. A old friend Roger Rhodes was an instructor at the Naval War College. I played plenty of wargames with him before that.

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Way cool! Definitely recommend checking the USNWC out. I'll have to swing by Annapolis some day.

Congrats Rhode Island you finally did something Edit: who am I kidding I live in New Jersey

@LouisGFranco

4 жыл бұрын

Jersey brought us the next best thing, Snooki's Whoregames. Lol

@M3RUL3Z

4 жыл бұрын

@@LouisGFranco Ya'll just mad we have the best battleship

@LouisGFranco

4 жыл бұрын

@@M3RUL3Z "We"? Humor me by elaborating on "we" as in "we have the best battleship".

@WoWhistorian

4 жыл бұрын

@@LouisGFranco "no" - Brandon Belvedere, a little under three weeks ago apparently.

@LouisGFranco

4 жыл бұрын

@@WoWhistorian @brandon "Oh fuck me, your lady friend has a voice", "put a lead on her before she gets bitten", @matthew "now you don't want to get bitten do you sweetheart" lmfao kzread.info/dash/bejne/entpytKze73aiaw.html

Very interesting topic, wargaming as a educational tool has been used for a long time but it’s stunning to see it that much put in focus on this one.

Very nice tour. I was stationed in Newport in the late 60's and early 70's aboard the USS Samuel B. Roberts DD823, and the USS Joseph P. Kennedy Jr DD850 which is now a museum in Fall River, Mass.

Damn, I would LOVE to see their version "Carriers at War"!

There’s a reason most navy guys love 40k, warhammer, D&D, Etc. its in our blood

@silverhawkscape2677

Жыл бұрын

I'm starting to see where western and Japanese RPGs differ. Western RPGs from Western Table tops hench the Emphasis on numbers and build. Jrpgs from Light novels hench the Emphasis on Story.

Awesome content as always invicta!

Most excellent! Thanks for sharing this!

It takes one month to learn the game? So you're saying video game nerds who play all day would be the best candidates for naval officers?

@caboosefromsteam1582

4 жыл бұрын

meh

@blakelowrey9620

4 жыл бұрын

Only special types of nerds

@saltymonke3682

4 жыл бұрын

No

@zacharyhockett6248

4 жыл бұрын

Most video games are built to be intuitive and easy to understand. I mean, if you play obscure 4x strategy games for thousands of hours and also you're a high performing student, and also you are physically fit, and also fairly charismatic and a good leader, yeah you'd make a good naval officer lol

😍😍 This is so great! Thanks for sharing it!

15:13 why did he moved like Capt. Jack Sparrow ? Hahaha

@Multiabuse

4 жыл бұрын

I think it was his realization that he needed to indicate "follow me" but had just clasped his hands to conclude his speech, so he used his upper body as an awkward substitute? Or maybe there was a boom mic just out of frame and he didn't want to bonk it. Either way, I found the gaffe comical, but his animated manner and enthusiasm for the subject was totally captivating.

Great idea to start making such videos. Thank you.

I’m so glad this channel is finding success and expanding. You provide some of the best info out here for us armchair tacticians. Ps: crossover with lindybeige. Just sayin.

What I wouldnt give for a textbook or two from this place. That guy is a great host for the tour.

Invicta PLEASE upload the modern wargaming video fast. I CAN'T WAIT

Pete is an endless font of information and stories.

This is really cool, to say the least! I wonder if there has been, or could be an event where military personnel can go against esports players in a wargame, be it a military one or a videogame one like Total War.

@alexisXcore93

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely no, because pro player play games for the public that are balanced for fun. Besides the steps to play lets say, War of warships is totally different to this, here you have support staff and the like, in the other you dont even care for the fuel for the trip home or rules of engament

Sounds like an awesome series of videos is born. Hooked! Please Sega take notes BTW

Thanks for the video

Great Video, SIR!!!!

great video. thanks for sharing. have you done one for the Army War College? or perhaps the Command and Staff school?

im curious to why the naval college would be so a far away from the the actual huge navy bases on the east coast?

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

It used to be down south but got moved up the Rhode Island as a result of pressure during the Civil War and then I guess just stayed there

@OriginalWarwood

4 жыл бұрын

New England and the nearby States had a significant number of military bases, as well as ship yards, and a significant amount of military infrastructure at one time, growing in importance with the Civil War. The 1990s is really when the majority of the bases began to see a significant loss in importance (New London/Groton, CT excluded). New York, Boston, New London, Portsmouth, and Newport, amongst many others.

@bksly529

4 жыл бұрын

Newport is also the location for officer candidate school, so it probably helps that a lot of the training is in the same place.

@georgedoolittle9015

4 жыл бұрын

"this was your huge Naval Base" back in the day just as West Point was for the US Army was until 1948 and "Present at the Creation"(the Pentagon, the Cold War, the Nuclear Triad, etc).

@cragnamorra

2 жыл бұрын

Well, at the time of NWC's founding, Newport WAS a significant naval base, and would remain so for many decades into the 1990s. Got downsized (the base, not the NWC itself) a bit during the '90s BRAC process. Also worth noting, the base today is still a lot more than just the NWC. I did not attend NWC, but went to Newport multiple times for various months-long training courses. There were still several frigates based at Newport when I went to Division Officer Course in '90; they had been shifted down to Norfolk (or just plain decommissioned) by the time I came back for Department Head School in '95.

Great video!

Wow, this channel keeps getting better and better every upload. Keep it up!

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I was pretty excited to release this series as I'd consider it a pretty big milestone in the evolution of the channel

Love the physical map on the wall.

Amazing place.. I am fortunate to be trained in this facility.

Jane also did Jane's Wargames for PC.. Had F/A 18 Hornet (fly as a F/A 18 pilot), 688(i) Hunter/Killer (Be a Los Angeles class Attack Submarine commander) and my personal favorite Jane's Fleet Command where you control an entire Carrier Group, including the planes off of carriers.

@michaelsommers2356

4 жыл бұрын

Since Jane died in 1916, I doubt he ever used a PC.

Part of the success and feedback loop were the annual fleet exercises that tested rules, results and tactics used in games, it both let the gaming inspire exercises and let exercises put realism into the gaming. I believe no other navy was teaching, gaming and exercising its leadership, its tactics and its officers in this way, both theory and practice for war to come.

if i ever visit this place, all im gonna be hearing in my head is "DISPLAY THEIR MIGHT, ORDERING CARRIERS, ADMIRALS AT WAR"

Simply awesome

You look just as I pictured it. 😆 good job on your videos

Thank you for posting this video, very interesting. But… Where are the other videos announced in this one? I could not find Wargaming Explained or Modern Wargaming for example

Newport, RI is also home to Navy's Officer Training Command, which trains, you guessed it, new Navy officers outside of USNA

I love the story about Japanese war gaming out the invasion of Midway in 1942. In the war game, the officer playing out the Americans managed a carrier attack on the Kido Butai and sank 2 carriers. The umpire for the war game declared that the Americans shouldn’t have been where the officer had put them and reset the game.

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

That anecdote actually makes it in to my interview discussion about wargaming in WW2

@michaelsommers2356

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, the attack that sank two carriers was made by land-based bombers. In the event, several attacks by B-17s on Japanese ships resulted in exactly zero hits, so the umpire was not wrong in discounting the hits in the game. See pages 46-47 of Perla's _Art of Wargaming._

Wonderful!

Simple, taking wargames serious is the difference between invading Normandy, and cavalry charging into machine gun fire. Always ask the question "if I where my enemy, what would be the best move" and then switch sides again after finding a counter. Helps in Chess, games, live and war.

I was in North Kingstown last week , near the Quonset Base .

Lindybeige has a great vid on war games in history too.

Great video

Well it wasn't Warhammer as expected but still interesting! 😜 😮Logistics war gaming sounds amazing!! Thanks for the great vid! 😃

Wow great stuff

I don't understand how Invicta doesn't have 1M subs, he deserves it

@bravozero6

4 жыл бұрын

meh hes seriously hit and miss especially if you fact check some of his videos(mainly his earlier ones)

@bop3752

2 жыл бұрын

guess what

Not American but would still want to go there lol

Very intresting, very cool.

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Just wait till we get to talk to Pete extensively about the mechanics of wargaming, its fascinating

@MUMSUniverse

4 жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory Nice! Looking forward to it.

More topic like this please.

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Got more documentary videos from the trip coming right up!

You can actually see the miasma of misery emanating from Navy OCS while at the college

Stationed in War Gaming Department April 92 to July 95. Lots of information if you want.

Any chance of you going over the USS Liberty incident?

You'd think having lived in Newport for 20 years I'd have visited this place once or twice, but lol nope. Great vid though and looking forward to the others!

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Ah cool, great to hear from a local. I'll actually be uploaded a guided tour of the museum so you can check out more of what's available.

COOL VIDEO

Invicta: Which thumbnail should I use? Majority of subscribers: Number 1 Invicta: *uses number 6 instead* Majority of subscribers: Am I a joke to you?

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

I used #1 at first but then got a notification from KZread saying that the video was underperforming so I tried to swap it out to see if that made a difference (EDIT: Swapped the thumbnail back)

@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676

4 жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory When will you visit Moscow Military Museum? Its beutifull. There is the Victory Museum for WW2 And Museum of Patriotic War 1812

@krissp8712

4 жыл бұрын

Now it's something entirely different! :)

History nerd's dream!:D

It would be very interesting to see a group of trained officers go up against a mixed group of total war and paradox grand strategy players in a long drawn out game.

Takes notes in Russian spy 🇷🇺

@patttrick

4 жыл бұрын

We are

@Madhattersinjeans

4 жыл бұрын

"so this is how we do our prep and planning for training". If you need to take notes on how to do training I think you're a few centuries behind on military research mate.

@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676

4 жыл бұрын

@@Madhattersinjeans Sarcasm is a dying art form. Sad. As Trump would say. Sad.

@punctuationman334

4 жыл бұрын

S Uriel the American ignorance is making me cringe.

@MrCarGuy

4 жыл бұрын

@@punctuationman334 If you think that guy is American you're more ignorant than him.

I wanna go there

Awesomeee

This sounds like a good time

Dude sounds like Robert Downey Jr

Rhode Island represent! from Bristol

where do I buy the premium ships and consumables?

@jasonirwin4631

4 жыл бұрын

That's only available at the Moscow naval war college.

Okay this is epic

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Right? I was so excited to visit. I literally didnt eat, drink or go to the bathroom when I was there because I was so excited

@leogazebo5290

4 жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory Wow that's dedication right there.

15:14 😂

@aniellord7088

4 жыл бұрын

It's Capt. Jack Sparrow 😂

So I'm a nurse going into the navy once I graduate my bachelor's program. I've never wanted to get into a program more. Unfortunately, I think this will be out of my scope of practice.

I just translated the book Shared Fantasy, by Gary Alan Fine, that is mostly about roleplaying games, but delves into its connexions with wargames, and has a whole section about the Japanese navy losing the battle of Midway, because two of their admirals cheated during the wargame simulation, effectively ressurecting sunken ships. The real battle followed the results of the simulation, according to the umpire that survived the war. You can find the whole book online: books.google.fr/books?id=rLlLbN0XuSEC&lpg=PP1&dq=shared%20fantasy%20gary%20alan%20fine

@InvictaHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. That anecdote does actually appear in one of my interviews about Wargaming in WW2

@CallsItLikeISeizeIts

2 жыл бұрын

Well,that an broken code 🧐

you hitting the gym recently Oakley? those arms are looking thicc son

Playing games in school? Thought I'll never see the day.

So wait they say also had war game for both space and cyber warfare I'm curious to see how those run maybe It may give me a reson to get battletech warships mintures.

I wonder if this is where the wargame where a marine general took the part of Iran and managed to defeat the US Navy.

he has a truly impressive scholar's cradle

@blakelowrey9620

4 жыл бұрын

Michael what does that mean

@Newidhan

4 жыл бұрын

ya need to watch more Lindybeige. Specifically his earlier sponsorship shout-outs for the great courses plus

Out of curiosity... Why would they not use decommissioned ships for their practical training? The USN got plenty of those, during its history.

@saltymonke3682

4 жыл бұрын

Cost money

@marrqi7wini54

3 жыл бұрын

It takes a lot of time and resources that can be used elsewhere to use and maintain such ships. At least for training cadets. I believe that this does occur for actual military practice however.

@evannibbe9375

2 жыл бұрын

Decommissioned ships often have parts that need to be cannibalized for repairs of other ships

More!

YAY Kriegsspiel! The origin of pretty much all games played today.