Jay I love when you do videos on older equipment. It goes to show the mind and craftsmanship of our equipment forefathers 👍🏻👍🏻

The international gas start diesel engine are a awesome engines I have a 400 and 450 diesel International wheel tractors they run really cheap on fuel they have their own unique sound

@user-ph2tm7nx5o

26 күн бұрын

I am 18 and just got a used td9 international crawlers, and it's sat for 45 years, and once I get a carburetor, it will run, and drive went through it in all the other components.

Amazing engine! I thought I’ve seen it all.. switching from gas to diesel on the fly.. that head design is really brilliant

Yea, diesels LIKE gas sometimes... Back in the late 80's, in high school shop class, we had an old Detroit 6-71 that was mounted on the engine run rack in the classroom/shop. I told the teacher that I wanted to get it running, and he scoffed at me and said, "Ahh.. People have tried, that thing hasn't run in a decade..", and he let me and my group of buddies have at 'er. We checked the rack and injectors to make sure they weren't stuck, checked the oil, filled it up with diesel, and cranked it over for a little bit to build some oil pressure and fill the lines with diesel, then I dumped some gasoline directly down the exhaust pipe, cranked it again, and the thing INSTANTLY roared to life at what sounded like 8,000 RPMs. Classrooms in that wing of the building all came out of their rooms to see what all the noise was, and were peering in the door of the shop through the haze of smoke that filled the room. I'll never forget the look on our shop teacher's face after that, it was sort of like this.. 😳 The resulting HUGE black stain on the ceiling was still there 7 years later when my brother went to shop class there. 😆 My buddies and I were shop class legends for a few years after that.

Been 45 years since last riding on one of those. Wow, what a memory, thanks....We were dozing dead timber and the falling limbs made a crashing noise on the canopy I'll never forget, gently rocking on the hand clutch to loosen them up and over...

Jeff you have two life times of wisdom It brings back great times of working with my father and fixing and moveing iron around chicago

Love the TD 24 .. Did lots of scrub pulling in Qld Australia. The TD24's did lots of hard work every day for months at a time.

Very cool, seems more reliable than some modern engines.

@RangieNZ

2 жыл бұрын

Reliable, but horrendously ineffeicient - 100HP from an 18 litre engine!! LOL

@Military-Museum-LP

2 жыл бұрын

In some areas IH outsold CAT. Like CAT IH has a very dedicated customer following.

@michaelbenardo5695

2 жыл бұрын

@@RangieNZ It wasn't about horsepower, it was about low RPM TORQUE.

@Diesel8290

2 жыл бұрын

@@RangieNZ it only revs to 1600rpm that’s why the hp is so low. Bet the torque is crazy tho

@shaynegadsden

2 жыл бұрын

@@RangieNZ that doesn't make sense how does engine capacity vs peak hp = efficiency. There are plenty of 2.4l engines making over 1000hp but they would have worse efficiency

Thsnks for showing us Jay! I've known about International's gas start diesels for a long time but I didn't quite grasp how they did the secondary chamber and valves and such. That info isn't really out there and I was always curious! Nice you had a spare head for example. Just a 3rd poppet style valve to the spark ignition chamber. I wondered how the carb was separated from the diesel intake too. Overall yes, a little archaic but simple and pretty bulletproof design. Very smart on Binder's half! No extra pony engine to deal with. No extra starting clutch, no complicated bendix, etc. Biggest flaw is it still needs a good battery and starting system to spin all those cubic inches VS. a pony motor. Very cool stuff!

There used to be a lot of those gas/diesel tractors around in the late 40’s and 50’s in New England. Pretty rare now. I know of one IH dozer that’s been slowly sinking in the ground for about 60 years.

@ctdieselnut

2 жыл бұрын

That's a long time for anything to sit still. Reminds me of the videos of all the abandoned logging equipment in the northwest and bc canada. What's the deal with it? Know anything about it? Just curious.

Nice TD24's and enough room for Mr. Griffy too. I always learn something when I watch your channel. I didn't know that about the fuel in the injection pump but that explains a lot. I have a TD9 engine in an 1944 Adams 311, the engine had been changed to a UD9. The original TD9 had the IH injection pump which vented through the air filter.and excess fuel from a sloppy plunger fed back into the crankcase. The UD9 came with an American Botch injection Pump which had a vented oil cap and discharged excess sloppy plunger fuel via a weep hole in the bottom of the pump - and that puppy weeps. I've been told on the Red Power Form the Botch pump is better than the IH pump so that may be one reason. Thanks

Thanks for the tour,growing up my old neighbor had a TD24 and a 25. Great old machines for sure.

Brings back memories running our old TD14 on the farm it had a huge 4 cylinder that started on gas and switched to diesel it ran 1390 RPM wide open according to the tag and was built either in 1942 or 1947. It also had a hand crank if the starter failed but I wasn't man enough for it. My TD25B won't run very long in the low range, the guy's at Pioneer equipment said it's probably a seal in the nitrogen accumulator but they don't know know enough about that crawler to fix it, probably just gonna have to drop it off at the Paydirtarosa as soon as I can find a good 813 IH engine for it, or do a Cummins swap.😉😅

Love to watch the old TD run. Dad had a TD 20 ran like a Swiss watch. Ran it for about 10 years before he sold it.

What a great idea that starting system is. Modern engineers need to take note. Mr Griffy sure has you worked out ! Have a great week end.

Thank you very much for this video. I have operated a four-cylinder IH engine like that and a 6 cylinder that was in a galion grader. I was never sure of the intake manifold arrangement for the carburetor. I appreciate you showing that old head and explaining it.

Our Parsons Tiling machine had a UD9 with the same start system on a 4 cylinder. We would work most years until late December and after frost. ( “ out of the trenches by Christmas “ ). When we shut down for the night, we needed to pull the digger wheel out of the trench and clean the tracks and wheel which froze overnight. The engine always started the next morning. We just had to back fill the trench avoiding frozen dirt. The problem, especially for the two head 6s was head gasket or cracked head on that complicated port arrangement. Once they leaked water you had a big job to fix it. Make sure your coolant is minus 20 F. Thanks for the UD lessons.

Nice to see a "new-fangled" TD start up. We ran several TD-40s on the farm in California when I was growing up in the 1940s and 50s. They started the same except you stood in front of them and hand cranked them. Dad liked them because you could haul then on a ton-and-a-half flatbed truck. He bought a number of them that were terminally broken. Took the engine off the one with a broken final drive housing and put it on the one that threw a rod and cut a hole all the way around the crankcase. We did finally get a TD-18 for heaver work.

I used to run an International ID-9 wheel tractor pulling a sheeps foot roller that had a magneto on it and a crank for the starter, because on some road jobs people would steel the batteries out of it. We made sure the impulse coupling was set right so it didn't back kick, but always would start.

Probably the best modern display of a starting procedure anyone will ever make again on that ol machine. Great tutorial in general. With everything being hydrostats and the like today hardly anyone realizes how big an advantage the hi-lo steering was back in the day. Case dozers with the same idea of using different track speeds are probably the most modern relative to that. What in the chef salad you got going on with the air cleaner there ?? LOL Not knocking it either, I like it! Great video, archival stuff. Thanks for sharing

Those are some neat old tractors. It’s pretty amazing that they’re older than I am and are still working.

Mr Griffy 20:20 to starting the engine.. An amazing bond you have...

Gday Jeff,,, Thank you for showing the starting system on this machine ... Its a simple ,but very effective solution to cold climate starts ,, What a great machine ....!!!

I ran a TD 9 track loader & dozer and a MD farm tractor that started the same way . We skidded logs with the T D 9 it had a nice big winch on the back . We also had a log arch we used on the long skids . We used a 420 case crawler to bunch with . Then use the T D 9 with the arch to bring to the landing

111 hp claimed,actually ran from 150 to 170 hp in Nebraska tests with over 41000 lb pull at the drawbar.the 1091 was designed for torque,not high hp.

Thank you for START up. That is amazing, so quick, being such a huge Diesel. The Steering is just a neat, power turn system with High & Low range to power turn the tracks.

TD 24 videos are the best. 40 years ahead of Caterpillar in a few ways.

It's so nice to see people with good help these days you have a good friend and helper

Thanks for keeping a few of these historical pieces around.

Right as usual Jeff... Once you get that system working and it is no longer full of crap from sitting for sometimes decades it will start any time any day in any weather...It does beat the hell out of any pony motor... We used to call those Cat pc motors "pistons swapping holes" they rattle so much... Can't kill it in well fuel-trimmed stock form but rattle they do, a lot... Interesting about the fuel timing on the TD 24.. Wish I would've known that when I worked on a couple many years ago... Thanks.. great content as always Mr Anderson...

Good afternoon Jeff, thank you for the video, My Dad did own and run a TD 20 with a Rolls Royce Diesel engine. Great info, Take Care and stay safe 👍😎🇬🇧.

Always love the TD 24 videos. Reminds me of the gas start WD9 we had.

This Cornbinder Convocation was great stuff, Jeff.

Great video Jeff alway enjoy when you do a video on your older equipment. Cool sounding machine stay safe Jeff.

Wow! Never knew such an engine type existed! And it was all done with NO COMPUTERS.

@carwashadamcooper1538

2 жыл бұрын

That's why it still works!

@michaelbenardo5695

2 жыл бұрын

@@carwashadamcooper1538 Computers were put there to prevent people like me from richening the jetting and advancing the ignition timing in search of better performance.

The engineers who designed this engine were quite ingenious. From opening up the combustion chamber to another chamber that reduced the compression, to making that second set of intake runners small enough to get adequate air velocity into the engine for fuel atomization, I'm damn impressed. I don't think automotive engine engineers understood a lot of this stuff until much later. When did manufacturers first start putting valving in the intake runners like that, late '90s, early '00s?

@randr10

2 жыл бұрын

That's also really interesting that they run better by retarding the timing that much. Haven't quite wrapped my head around that one.

I want one. We had a WD9... the W was for wheeled...the D was for Diesel...the 9 was for the tractor family size. It started the same way. All these tractors where built by McCormick Dearing a division of IH. It wss a very good tractor ahead of its time in the early 50's PLR

great video good job editing and great content! thank you for your time and effort!

ever since i first saw them i've always wanted to see how the heads on those old UD's looked like. Thanks man

Grew up on a farm in northern Montana. My Dad had a late 1940’s TD14 we used to clear snow on the road to get to the high grade and pasture to feed the cows. Only time I remember it not starting was when the batteries were dead. Always got cold driving the beast.

Good video. Oh the days before KZread. Years ago a guy brought over a TD 18 that hadn't run in a long time. I overhauled the engine, clutch, steering clutches and brakes fixed all linkages. Anyway I got it all together and thought How do I start this thing? We ran a pretty busy shop back then so I started asking the customers that came through. A guy named Harry finally showed up and said Well its been 40 years but maybe I remember. And he did. Got it going and he gave me some pointers about the whole thing.

I LOVE watching video about the older equipment!

Definitely love to here the turbo 24 running

My father had an OLD international D9 that started up the same way. Bought it cheap back in the early 60s him and one of my uncles rebuilt the whole motor. Was still working at the push of a button around 93’ when he sold it.

I had an old TD9 IH track loader that was gas/diesel, The gas tank was under the hood mounted to the top of the radiator and if you stalled it with the bucket down you were in for one hell of a fight to get your arm under the loader frame to get to the valve to turn it on ! You run it all day you were worn out, It had steering clutches and brakes as well as a hand clutch so you really got a work out running it ! Bandit

@user-ph2tm7nx5o

26 күн бұрын

I am willing to pay a fair price for it , I think 150 dollars is fair enough. Willing talk about it can spend more money if need to.

Nice to listen to someone that still understands a cornbinder

You know the IH Diesels! They are sweethearts and the twin-stack music is fantastic all wound up and barking. The wore out UD-16 in the Galion motor grader here thanks you for caring for these lovable creatures.

I got a TD 14 it's the same system as long as you got fire in the ignition and gas it's going to start. Old but good. When the start valve open and the other is closed it don't make as much compression and makes it easier to turn over.

Every video is an education to those of us not experianced in using this stuff. Gas and diesel , spark plugs and injectors???imagine a group of us trying to figure out how to get it started?? We would never actually manage it!! Brill vid.

I watched your video again to understand the ( GAS) start up. The steering reminded me of back in 1979 ran a (Case 450-C) with the Case power track steering system. Pull back on lever High steer Forward on lever Low speed steer. I loved that power turn. The Backfill Loader was a (Case850-C) very fast machine for the sewer mainline project I was on. The main digging excavator was a 350 BUCYRUS-Erie Hoe). Man what power in hardpan earth. We changed our teeth everyday. The company also had a 40-H BE Hoe) with the bucket removed. They installed a winch system for setting manholes, very strong lifting excavator The only thing I got mixed up on was Reverse. I just used foot pedals on Case 450 to turn. I always turned the wrong way using the High & Low Levers on Dozer. We also had a (125 International Front Loader) on the sewer job. The two Case machines were Rentals, the International belonged to the Company I worked for. "Boy" that International could push Dirt till it was dripping over top of the bucket. When backfilled around the manholes. Most of my job was Hoe packing, with a (Case 680 backhoe) The Airbrake system always locked up the emergency brakes if I used the back tires to lock out one side for turning, not a big air tank. The (Case 780 backhoe)had a drive line Emergency brake. So you could use your brake pedals to help turn, without an Emergency brake pop out of the brake switch. We used the (Case 780 backhoe)to dig the side sewer stubs. We also had a (Dynahoe 190) to dig side sewer stubs and a (160 Poclain) excavator. Back then on jobs mostly mainline sewers the contactor had every different brand of excavator and backfill machine. Because we were in easements for mainline sewers the LOTS had not been cleared yet. We used a Track Loader for Pea grave runs and backfill. No Artic- Loaders on the jobs. Very muddy deep wet hardpan dirt. Again Thank you so much for explaining the start up and steering system on International Dozers.

Great video bro and a bit of history in there too. Safe travels

Where I worked they brought in an old Gallion grader from the 40s. It was a long stroke diesel that started off gas and then the diesel could be engaged. It too ran at lower rpms. You would start on gas then run the gas till it warmed up real good before switching to diesel. The owner wanted it checked out and painted. It only needed plugs and wires and carb cleaned to get running. It all worked good considering how old it was.

Lovely to see such an original well looked after machine as the TD24 being used occasionally. It has had plenty of tlc in its life by the look of it. No doubt the newer machines are a lot more user friendly but it doesn’t hurt to give a thought to the blokes who drove that stuff when they were current. The Snowy Mountains Scheme here was built with those in the early stages (late 40s onwards) and Cats in the later years . There wasn’t much they couldn’t do with them. Jeff

@michaelbenardo5695

2 жыл бұрын

But that new stuff is almost impossible to fix.

that design of engine was popular back in the 60's. guess I'm showing my age. great video Jeff.

The 25’s were good for that style of steering great bush dozer loved my time on them

Learned something new today. Thanks. What a complex head casting!

Love the 24s!

Super cool vid!!! 😎 I worked on a few of those cylinder heads and those jokers were stout!

We had one. Not sure what size it was? Burnt up in our barn fire back in 1980. Keep up the great work 👍

Galion, Huber, Bucyrus Erie all loved those IH UD engines

Loved it. Thank you for that Jeff.

We have three running IHC gas started diesels. A TD9 2 TD6 at our farm. They will work all day on 10 gallons of diesel. Amazing fuel efficiency. Lots of low-end torque very slow.

Awesome we had one of those years ago when we're starting out very reliable but this new stuff is nice but very expensive God-bless everyone

Very interesting machine. She's different. Bet there's not too many that know how they work these days. Looking forward to the day you fix her up..

Great video and so informative. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and making this awesome video !!

Farmall made a similar engine, want to say it was in the model c or m. Injectors on one side of the block, spark plugs on the other.

@danjosephson6910

2 жыл бұрын

Farmall never made anything. It was a trademark of the International Harvester company for row crop/general purpose tractors. Farmall MD, Super MD, SMTA, 400 and 450s all used it as did the McCormick and International WD40, (the first US built wheel type diesel tractor)WD6, WD9, super WD6, WD9 W6TA, 400, 600, 450, 650 standard tread wheel tractors as well as many crawlers. My list may not be complete.

In 1971 I was working for Mid-County Construction Co, out of St Petersburg, Florida. Doing a housing development. I had a D7 with a pony motor. On any given day it would take 1.5-2 tanks of gas to start that old girl. Curiously it would then start up almost instantly for the rest of the day. And yes it would blow white smoke the entire time I was starting first thing in the morning. ChiefD

I can tell your a very smart man when it comes to equipment you know your shit I wish I got to work with or around you I like learning from guys like you love the video I just bought a 1973 international 500d dozer with 6 way blade that I need to replace the pump for hydrostatic transmission it will be my first video keep videos coming thanks for your knowledge.

I have a motor grader that's like that had problems with it to start with an old man helped me with it now it's starts so easy once you understand how the motor works they are good motors best peace of equipment I got mines military grader

Sweet sounding engine! If you like old iron, check out Antique Powerland in Brooks, OR .Last weekend of July and 1st weekend of August they have numerous events going on.

I helped my dad build a small screening plant powered by a UD-9 engine. After it was built, I ran the plant until someone -- who shall re main nameless (I think it was the plant operator) -- ran the engine low on oil and burned it up. I think I was 15 at the time. Old enough to know better, but too lazy to do the right thing.

That was very interesting, Thanks Jeff.

In the 40's my dad worked in a logging camp that had a bunch of TD-18's.Winter time they kept a D-8 to pull start those 18's when it got real cold.Said that D-8 always started no matter how cold it got,used a pony motor to start like all cats back then.Used to be a lot of those IH's around but between parts getting hard to find and the head cracking problem not many left.

@Jpaydirt

2 жыл бұрын

18's didn't have the big 50mt 24 volt starters

Love the old iron!

Started alot of those old diesels in equipment but they had single or twin cyl pony motors only one big cable operated cat dozer had a 4 cyl pony

love the TD25 with 330 hp and semi U blade i used to operate in the forest building logging roads

Damn I love these... And the sound. Nothing like a old diesel.

Very cool Love this type of videos

The starting setup on ye olde Cornbinder’s was certainly easier to start that a old Cat or whatever else with a Pony-Motor but then again you don’t need a hot battery to start an engine with a Pony-Motor. My Grandfather had an old D3 up at his land and it could/would sit all year long and we could fill it up with fresh gas and even when cold as a well diggers heart it would normally start on the second pull and if not a rag soaked with a little start-U-bastard on third. I think the thing that made the difference was a good hot Mag.

I had an MD . It was cool. Nice mailbox getter.

Back in the 70s I drove a D6 with a pony motor, then a TD18 started on gas then switched to diesel then my Boss got a AC with a 2 stroke started on diesel and ran on diesel my favorite was the D6 ,the AC made alot of noise.

This reminds me of that old deuce and a half multi fuel engines that ran on damn near anything.

IH isa legend for me!

Most interesting concept.

Great machine. I miss those.

NO WAY! - cold start? That technology is AMAZING, Reminds me of my 1980's Land cruiser 2 H Engine (which is a Porsche compared to this lol). I can tell it's not in Australia because you're flipping things over and sticking your fingers in places I simply wouldn't. But Great informative Video, thank you.

Start on gas run on diesel, the old tractor will too 😉cool memory of your dad, thanks for sharing.

Interesting history lesson, Like it...

Since I imagine TD24 heads are hard to find probably would have to get one of those crazy guys that can weld cast to weld one back together for ya. 🙂

Nice tractor👍 Thanks for sharing and explaining

Neat stuff! Great video! Thank you!!!

I spent some time on a TD14 but was never around he TD24. Very interesting.

A man and his dog....doesn’t get any better than that!

Nice, like the explanation on the the red start up, it does seem better than the cat with its pony motor, had a 7U D4 and now have acquired a clean TD6 and I like it more than the cat and I’ve always been a cat fan.

I have one of those! Sort of... UD16 power unit. Always starts for me.

6:29The camera shutter was in perfectly sync to the fan blades, what is the odds for that.

We have two TD14A dozers. same starting system. About the same HP as a 9U D6 however not nose heavy like the cat iswith that long 6cyl. and the cable unit on the rear balances it pretty nice. We have a U tube video of our 14's on our Channel.

Thanks for sharing buddy

At 65 years that old dozer fired right up.I wonder if the newer machines being made now will be able to do that when they get that old?

@mikekokomomike

2 жыл бұрын

@Jim jibroni you will have pay your subscription to John Deere for the microprocessor to enable the start button.

Very cool idea indeed.