The Paris space mountain seemed amazing and really well themed, it’s very sad to see Disney has to slap an up on everything, including this exceptional attraction.

@OmmegaTang

11 ай бұрын

Man I swear they didn't even get rid of the Theming, it s still themed over the OG space mountain aesthetic, the trains are the same, etc.... And then you go in and you have bank camera quality screens with star wars shit coming for some reason, I ve never seen something so disrespected 😭

@lohphat

11 ай бұрын

This is why I haven't been inside Disneyland in years. Despite being a former CM for 8+ years. It's just all a lazy film franchise cash grab.

@Akpommed

11 ай бұрын

I spent so many years of my life where I'd wait all year or two years specifically to go on this ride, the theming was exquisite and really beautiful, it's so sad it's not like this any more. Walking through the queue, hitting the indoor bit with the French woman speaking over the retro graphic of the coaster and how loud it got in the dark corridors just to open up into the space exploration rooms at the very end of the queue, it was such a good ride experience, shame it won't go back

@cookimaus1

11 ай бұрын

I hear they may be redoing it with the original theme and sea lntegration

@samuelwitwicky3900

11 ай бұрын

Fuck Disney, these IP’s being slapped everywhere can only get them so far.

It’s heartbreaking that Disney refuses to create an immersive, detailed and original attraction. I’m so sick of Disney just slapping IP’s on things that were once good. Examples; The great movie Ride at Hollywood Studios, Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris, Tower of Terror at Disneyland California, California Screaming at Disneyland California and more. Disney flourished because of their imagination and now they are losing their magic because of their lack of creativity and talent

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

A little ironic for the Great Movie Ride, but I think it's a good example of how IP can be used effectively. It used its IP to celebrate cinema as an artistic industry, versus using attractions like a billboard for some nebulous "Disney" brand vessel.

@emmaguilbeau7289

11 ай бұрын

@@PoseidonEntertainmentI think they meant the Mickey Mouse overhaul, not the original attraction.

@he-shall-rule

11 ай бұрын

Rock'n Roller coaster in Disneyland Paris was also butchered.

@randomjunkohyeah1

10 ай бұрын

It’s a weird hill to die on to claim that Mission Breakout is somehow inferior to the former DCA Tower of Terror, it is like almost objectively a more exciting experience with the overhaul of the ride system. As much as it was the ToT of my childhood with me living on the west coast, it was always a pale imitation of the original. Also Incredicoaster is _literally_ the exact same ride as California Screamin lol, even to the point that a couple of those “show scene” tunnels were already there in some capacity. You may as well say a ride is ruined because they used a slightly different shade of white to repaint it

@TheUltima_Werewolf

10 ай бұрын

I honestly like the retheme for California Screamin' but other than that I completely agree

The original Space Mountain: From The Earth To The Moon sounds like it was amazing; especially since it had the bullet and smoke effects on the outside, so even onlookers would get a little treat. I really wish I could have seen the original version in its glory days.

@EspenSGX

11 ай бұрын

Last I heard not even the neon lit antenna on top are working. 😢

@ValleDelSergio

11 ай бұрын

In the first months of operation it even had spark effects on close encounters with the physical asteroids (nowadays replaced by cheap screens) but they disabled those effects for safety reasons.

@ValleDelSergio

11 ай бұрын

@@EspenSGX I rode last year and the train actually stalled in the lift hill where the moon uses to be (it's driven by tires, not a chain, and they must be beyond eroded by now)

@EspenSGX

11 ай бұрын

@@ValleDelSergio If the tires don't have any profile left, that would be VERY concerning. Especially for a Disney park. I must say that during my visits to DLP I was shocked by the amount of times rides went down. I mean, sure, rides go down, but multiple on the same day? I'm not used to that in the Efteling, Toverland or Phantasialand.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

Physical effects and kinetcism are so important and I'm glad that this attraction was a great example of that. Stellar Way also seemed like such a cool thing to walk through.

I was able to visit Disneyland Paris in 2001, just 9 years after the park opened, and all the attractions were still in their original (and fantastic) forms. I'm so grateful to have had the chance to do this because the more I.P. crap gets slapped onto otherwise unique attractions, the less I'm inclined to even want to visit the parks at all.

As a european, this breaks my heart. I've never been able to go to the other parks and this version holds a special place in my heart. And now it's massacred for 6 years already

I wholeheartedly agree; the OG Discoveryland was one of the most beautiful and thematically-well-conceived parks Disney ever built. But now, I'll NEVER get the chance to experience this wonderful attraction in its original form. =(

@BuckarooBanzai84

11 ай бұрын

=)

@matthewshort4466

11 ай бұрын

You might actually. Rumours say that the original theme will be returning in the next couple of years

@BuckarooBanzai84

11 ай бұрын

@@matthewshort4466 Oh, I hope so! Thanks for the info. ; )

@user-ct6hl8nl9c

11 ай бұрын

if you are talkng about the og california disneyland yeah that was crazy. It was so well themed and everything it really felt more than just a theme park.

@BuckarooBanzai84

11 ай бұрын

@@user-ct6hl8nl9c I was actually talking about OG Disneyland-Paris. (neh EuroDisney) But I still agree. =)

Ooh yes a video about the most butchered Disney attraction

@FieryPheonix-pq8sh

11 ай бұрын

That would be journey into imagination

@idk-zt8rx

11 ай бұрын

​@@FieryPheonix-pq8shI'd argue this one was butchered up way worse than journey into imagination

@jakedlp_

11 ай бұрын

Mission breakout exists

@coasterlover2484

11 ай бұрын

Okay that's true, but it's a close call.

@coasterlover2484

11 ай бұрын

​@@jakedlp_ At least Mission Breakout got a different ride cycle and it got slightly more thrilling, although the Twilight Zone theme was definitely way cooler.

I remember the Defunctland episode on this one. Pretty sad to know what’s become of it, especially when it sounded like an attraction that best suit the saying “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it.” Also, really appreciate how much content you’ve uploaded the last few weeks! I think it’s been your highest output thus far, and the videos are still top notch and interesting 👍

@ValleDelSergio

11 ай бұрын

I've been in all 3 versions. Man, the original was truly special. That's not nostalgia speaking, it just was a perfect adventure, from the theming, to the music, even the queue through the ride itself... Now it's just a metal tunnel with some starwars posters on the sides... and all physical props and effects are gone, replaced by cheap screens... it breaks my heart

@whodatninja439

11 ай бұрын

Poseidon Entertainment, yesterworld and defunctland the GOATs

@NinthShinigami

11 ай бұрын

@@whodatninja439 agreed 👍

@whodatninja439

11 ай бұрын

@@ValleDelSergio I'm devastated 😔 wish i could see the original trip to the moon ride

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

@@NinthShinigami I was a bit worried that I was covering too much ground that Kevin already did, but I figured that I could at least highlight how Hyperspace has long outstayed its welcome.

I miss the old Disney parks unique feel. Now they all became quite the same, using their brands to call more and more visitors. “AnythingGoesLand” is the theme of the day! Another great video from this channel. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@bjvincent8786

11 ай бұрын

I also miss the old Disney parks unique feel. Disney Imagineers need to be allowed to be more creative by the "powers that be" at the Disney Co. and stop treating Disney owned theme park designs like they are now going to an industry catalog like SEARS and/or IKEA to pick out new attractions that they can shoehorn into being “Disney" IP. I hope there are there still Disney Imagineers capable of expanding domestic Disney theme park theming beyond another themeless rollercoaster ride. I worry now about a total lack of creativity and originality out of every aspect of the Disney Company. Funny how it seems like Disney theme parks resorts that are not totally owned by Disney Co. but partially owned and/or not owned by Disney Co like Tokyo Disney resort , Hong Kong Disney Resort and Shanghai Disney Resort seem to do a better job with Disney theming.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I think I hate Epcot the most. "The magic of possibility" is not a theme.

@sketchyspot

11 ай бұрын

@@PoseidonEntertainmentThe Imagination pavilion is a revealing microcosm of the state of the parks.

@Mr17051963

11 ай бұрын

@@PoseidonEntertainment I agree! Epcot Center from the 80’s was a great and more adult park, totally diferent from Magic Kingdom. I was a huge fan! Now is a theming nightmare.

@meganruchwatercolors7186

11 ай бұрын

​@Mr17051963 oh I absolutely agree!

The star wars overlay, while used permanently, isn't actually permanent. All elements are still in place but covered up. An updated version of de la Terre a la Lune is still possible and in my opinion, much needed. The new cars are far from Star Wars and with a fixed interior queue (the current one feels like a shipping container) it would be very welcome indeed

Babe wake up, new Poseidon Entertainment video is up

When I was stationed in Germany, I had to travel to Paris often for work. On one trip, I drove just so I could hit Euro Disney. I rode Hyperspace Mountain (and am just now finding out how new it was at the time). I was confused, to say the least by the overall ride experience. Thanks for explaining the series of decisions that created this Frankenstein monster of a coaster. Also, yikes.

I've been to Disneyland Paris twice; once at age 14, and once when I was much younger. I remember being amazed by all the Jules Verne theming (I started reading one of his books almost immediately), but I really wish those memories were clearer because so much has been rethemed since then. I do remember being a little bit freaked out by things like the moon, but I'd love to see it in its original state again. It was just epic! Anyway, awesome video, and thank you.

When I was little I was deathly afraid of this ride because it went upside down and was in the dark. I would stick to Big Thunder Mountain as my main thrillride, and would do other stuff with my mom as my dad and sister went on Space Mountain. One year they finally managed to convince me to join them, and I was absolutely terrified as I waited in line. Of course when we arrived back into the load station I was ecstatic and wanted to ride again right away. As we went home I couldn't wait to go back and experience it many more times. Only a few months later they announced they would update the ride with Mission 2, so I never got to ride it again. Life got in the way and I never got to go back to Disneyland until only two years ago, where I did Hyperspace Mountain for the first time. Suffice to say it was fun but nothing compared to the ride it used to be. But when the cart approaches the projection of the star destroyer, and I squint my eyes, I can still see the grinning moon that's been permanently engraved in my mind ever since back then.

@NCTStudio

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think it goes upside down

@m33446

9 ай бұрын

​@@NCTStudio I promise you it does....twice

@yonumpty

Ай бұрын

​@NCTStudio Space mountain at Paris has 3 inversions. A corkscrew, sidewinder and a cutback. Also tallest and fastest space mountain.

Oh wow. Recently, I was thinking “man, it would be really cool if you covered this topic” and here you are, covering it. I am really looking forward to seeing this.

I remember going on the original as a kid (it was my first experience with a loop-). To this day it is still one of the most immersive rides I've ever been on. The light and theming was actually insane. I legit believed I was in outer space, when you came up on the sun it was beautiful. I went in again couple of years ago and being absolutely destroyed that they just slapped Star Wars on this, and basically removed every single light in the building. It's near pitch black inside and it doesn't feel like outer space at all anymore.

Man, remember when Defunctland said the Hyperspace overlay was temporary? :)

I miss the old space mountain and I wish Disney would see the potential in the whole steampunk victoriana aesthetic. Theres so much to explore in that industrial revolution time period. What they did to Tim Delaneys masterpiece is from a theming perspective, the most confusing and most heavy handed presentation of the way disney has lostits way opting for stupid overlays that lose appeal when the IP becomes stagnant or oversaturated. Notice how disneys longest lasting attractions are often not IP based. Like haunted mansion, pirates, btmr and the original space mountain. Thats how it should be with DLP space mountain. The fact that DLP is a fairly big financial pit for disney is purely down to their lack of investment and the price of a stay. If they fixed that it would be much more of a destination. Why would you revisit every few years if theres literally no changes? I have all the blueprints and stuff for this space mountain and have been tempted in the past to recreate it in VR.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

Ah, but it seems that with every change, somehow things get worse? I don't hate the new Phantom Manor, but I can't say that its pacing is better than the original.

@jpjapers

11 ай бұрын

@@PoseidonEntertainment I haven't been on the new one but the fact is that they haven't added a permanent overlay for good reason. I'm hoping they don't retrospectively adapt them all to the upcoming movie though. It would break the entire story of frontier land at DLP given it has a totally different and all encompassing story throughout the land differing from the story of the US parks and tying it into BTMR very nicely. Disney could make such a great film based on the original DLP space mountain story because there is prior art. It would be a fantastic story to see the Columbiad in all its glory and follow the actual story of de la Terre a la lune and it would then give them a reason to return it to its former glory. I just hope that eventually they oversaturate themselves with IP and return to their roots.

The KZread channel for WDW News Today posted an interview with one of the original Euro Disneyland Imagineers, with an extensive discussion of Space Mountain. It was very informative, and emphasized the trouble with building large moving props (like the exterior cannon).

The current IP-fication of the parks has been disappointing to me as a local to WDW. It's a shame to know how badly it's happening at the international parks as well. In a Star Wars themed ride, you're forced to tell a canon Star Wars story... and that goes for any other IP as well. With an open theming like they've done in the past, there are so many opportunities to be creative and that's how we wind up with awesome attractions like this one once was!!

I will point out that Space Mountain Mission 2 wasn't just a generic sci fi ride, but actually a sequel to the original ride. (Hence the mission 2) it's kinda vaguely explained in the second to last room of the queue that after the success of the Moon mission previously, the Baltimore Gun Club had recharged the Columbiad Cannon to shoot further out into space. And now guests are boarding the new bullet ships on a mission to see a supernova and study it

@rct3isepic

7 ай бұрын

Also. I Completely agree that Hyperspace mountain shouldn't be permanent. I think it's a half baked version of that concept anyways and those new trains need to be put in a story they actually fit. I'd be ok with either previous missions returning or even a Mission 3, but Star Wars needs to leave

@A_A610

6 ай бұрын

However, the original De la Terre a la Lune version had a lot more period specific theming that really nailed the "1900s silent movie" feel (the Stellar Way, space mining equipment, Jules Verne cameo, the smiling moon). Mission 2 was a sequel in that it retained some superficial story elements, but once the ride began...it was thematically indistinguishable from any other version of Space Mountain. I think a big part of the problem was the original name change from Discovery Mountain to Space Mountain during development, since the more unique take would be inevitably compared to the other rides as opposed to being its own thing. Mission 2 made Space Mountain more Space Mountain in the Tomorrowland sense, but largely distanced it from the period elements that made the original Discovery Mountain concept unique.

As someone who grew up in the 90s with a lot of the more classic attractions at EPCOT, Magic Kingdom, etc, few things rub me the wrong way as the stripping down of timeless and educational properties in favor of key-jangling "look, it's [insert character name here!]" style rides. I can appreciate a lot of the tech and engineering that goes into them, but the fact is, they're a cheap design route and lack what made the original rides so fascinating and unique.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I agree for sure. Cosmic Rewind is a fantastic coaster without the Guardians of the Galaxy. If you removed them and put in a more interesting theme, it would still be a hit.

Love your content! My wife and I have converted from WDW to UOR passholder. While everything is an IP at UOR, they offer a better consumer experience. Growing up my parent's would take my brothers and I to WDW regularly. I have great memories from those trips memories of rides that didn't have star wars, marvel, and princess slaped on every ride. Keep up your hard work plz. My wife, brother, daughter, and I appreciate your work!

@linkage432

11 ай бұрын

Similar story as my parents took my sister and I to Walt Disney World a lot as children. Everything changes over time but WDW did not upgrade when making changes. If anything, it feels more bland and generic than before.

This was one of my favorite attraction as a child and i still hope this version will come back.

I never knew about the “A trip to the moon” connection with this ride. The cannon makes a lot more sense now.

Original footage of the queue and the ride itself will never do it justice. I'm sad ill never experience it they way it was intended in person. Luckily, there's some cool reconstructions by fans online.

I'm a huge nerd of both Jules Verne and Georges Melies, and Disney's Vernian films and attractions in particular. I've been on every extant Disney Vernian attraction, and have the pin collection to show for it. Unfortunately, what I just barely missed was the original iteration of Discoveryland. I didn't get to DLP until 2008, and the last time was 2013... After From the Earth to the Moon and Le Visionarium were already gone. Mission 2 was still adequate, but basically just like any Space Mountain. At least it had the wonderful building aesthetic, and I still think that Disney's iteration of the Columbiad canon is stunning. It's really too bad, because From the Earth to the Moon looked amazing. The Vernian-by-way-of-Meliesian aesthetic (Verne was less concerned with "Steampunk" visualization... the Columbiad in the novel was just a hole in the ground, and the Nautilus was a sleek, cigar-shaped vessel) really captured a European fantasy and charm that resonates through the entirety of Disneyland Paris, which is by far the most beautiful Disney park in the world. And I remember being so hopeful that after Mission 2 they were going to restore it to From the Earth to the Moon 😆

Everyone: surely, Disney could not screw up Space Mountain Disneyland Paris? Disney: Hold my Charrdonay, let's shove the Star Wars IP into it! Genius.

A lot of Disneyland Paris fans still regularly ask for the moon to return the original Jules Verne theme doesn't match starwars. And yes im super salty about it

Superb video, I agree with your opinion.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

It seems like such a beautiful park, I wish it was taken care of better. I see a lot of rumors flying around that the Hyperspace overlay will be removed, but does that have credibility or do you think it's just wishful thinking?

I rode this when it was still Jules Verne themed. It was enchanting. I was like, 12, 0:03 and sick, and felt awful. It was so magical and just made everything feel better for a few seconds. I'm sad to see how it's been treated.

The minute they announce the star wars retheme is being canned, I'll instantly book another trip

As a Jules Verne fan, this one hurt especially. Because they even kept the 'Mysterys of the Nautilus' walkthrough (even though that attraction has also been massacred nowadays). And they didn’t change the exterior of Space Mountain and even some of the parts of the Queue still have remnants of the original theme

I agree completely. I remember the first version with the smoke , the moving parts during launch. Every "update" made it worse.....and now.? Well ...

2:34 - Oh my god you found a clip of the original cannon effect! I spent *years* trying to find a clip of that effect working, I remembered it from when I was a kid but couldn't find any evidence of it actually existing. It was only around a month ago I managed to find a clip of it by Magical Themepark Adventures, and then another by Tramat.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I did notice that this park is not nearly as well documented as the U.S. parks. Even the opening day presentation has very little to see.

'From the Earth to the Moon' used to be my favorite rollercoaster. The last 10 times (or so) I've visited HyperSpace Mountain, it was meh. Really, really meh. Paris' Big Thunder Mountain is now much better. Bring back 'the Moon'!!!

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

It really doesn't look exciting at all. I found Disneyland's Hyperspace Mountain overlay just kind of okay, but even that does a lot more than this.

@KorokuGaming

4 күн бұрын

@@PoseidonEntertainment Nah, I rode all 3 versions and without a doubt, the og was actually the best one. It had the most effects & the score was amazing and linked up to the visuals perfectly. It felt like you were getting launched out of a cannon as smoke was produced. From the outside, it looked awesome seeing the cannon launch people 'into the sky'. Mission 2 was ok but was actually a step back from the og theme. I can understand those changes though, they tried to make it more modern. The Hyperspace is easily the worst of all 3, and actually just makes this a pretty lame coaster... It's worse than the indiana jones ride or thunder mountain, it used to slap those rides up easily. The star wars theme is lazy and detracts from the experience.

There’s a really good recreation of the first iteration on no limits 2. Always good to go back and see how great it was!

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I found various recreations useful in getting a better understanding of the layout. I've found that there's a lot of misinformation about what kind of inversions are in the ride.

The only time I went DLP was when Mission 2 was up and running. Not only was I too short for the ride, but I was TERRIFIED to go on because of the inversions. The one thing that did bring me joy was looking at it and seeing the cannon go off, launching the coaster. It was so cool and when I found that it was slapped with an IP and the cannon doesn't go off anymore, my heart sank. I will probably never get to ride it in its original, creative form and it's a shame that there is such a lack of real creativity and staying power of these rides and overlays these days.

I loved Space Mountain when I rode it back in 2001. The theming was impeccable. The indoor light fixtures even had screws in the shape of a sun with the letter S on it. Such attention to detail. Sad to see how Disney lost it completely. Last time I was there, in 2018, I hardly recognized the park and lots of rides were closed and broken. A hugely disappointing visit that quelled my enthusiasm for theme parks in general and Disney's in particular.

I was a young Jules Verne fan before Steampunk became cool 😂, and when I was a child I loved Discoveryland and Space Mountain so much. I was so sad for the Star Wars version... I love Star Wars, but not in my golden Space Mountain.

I never been to Disneyland Paris, so I haven't been on "Space Mountain: From the Earth to the Moon", from your video I can tell it was cool. Its disappointing what they did to it with the changes, however, personally I actually like the name "Space Mountain: Mission 2", its so cliche and campy but I like the name, thats all I like about the first retheme though.

Honestly Euro Disneyland, for all the good it had, probably should've never happened. Because of it's BIG financial failures, we never got Tomorrowland 2055, instead getting a cheap overlay with the ill fated Rocket Rods. We never got a cool 2nd gate in California like Westcot. Eisner hired Paul Presler, who was basically the Bob Chapek to the theme back in the late 90s, and cause some of this stuff. I know I sound angry, but just imagine the stuff we missed out on.

I absolutely LOVE seeing my favourite creators covering DLP. More please - it's an amazing place with so much history and drama!

Star Wars/Captain Eo while being an outlier not having that steampunk aesthetic and vibe, was always cleverly integrated. I’m paraphrasing with this but in a tour I watched from Tony Baxter, he described Lucas as the modern day sci-fi dreamer equivalent to Verne and Wells and the X-Wing on the top of the facade mirroring the other types of transportation seen around the land. However I’ve always been disgusted that this overlay still remains, it feels so tacky and the issue is I don’t think most guests really care unfortunately, it screams of an amusement park overlay IP tie in like Batman the ride, despite it being incased in this beautiful covering of what was intended…

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

On finishing the video, I am a bit disappointed that I wrote the script the way I did. The steam-punk theming is a nice way to tie everything in Discoveryland together but it was still designed in an era where each land contained a variety of thematically eclectic attractions, so I can't really fault it for that. An entire land based on European science fiction would be cool today though.

So hard to watch. Disneyland Paris has such a bad start, but the park itself seems like it was beautiful. The Jules Verne theming on space mountain was inspired, and the imagineers always wanted to infuse more of that into the parks. They finally got to, and after such a short run, it gets the Star Wars treatment.

I took this attraction two weeks ago and already felt something was off, because of the design of the building.Thank you for the video. 🙂

I remember going to Disneyland Paris when I was like 4, (so original space mountain) I wanted to go onto Space Mountain and was jealous my Dad went on it. I've still never been on it and never will because of Star Wars overlay, so I could never appreciate what it was supposed to be ! 😢 Love your videos keep it going ❤

I still feel upset that i couldnt ride the original version of the paris space mountain. We used to go every year to dlp and i was never tall enough to ride it! On my 3 recent trips i was able to ride hyperspace and as a star wars fan i liked it the first time, but yeah this ride is really missing out on being one of the best. The theming was so unique for a ride that already existed in other parks, just like phantom manor compared to haunted mansion. I hope they bring back space mountain because i would love to ride it :(

I worked on Star tours in Paris and the original space mountain was amazing, it was perfectly steam punk themed to match the Earth to the moon story and the music was phenomenal. A lot of people miss it but Disney had to turn into another Star Wars cash grab

@KorokuGaming

4 күн бұрын

I think the OG star tours was better too tbh than the new one!

I never knew about this. The Jules Verne theming was a brilliant idea. Now I'm even more disgusted with Disney.

The music was AMAZING....I have it on a playlist...💙💙💙💙

I really hope that this attraction gets a new rebranding that looks like a mix of the first two versions! And bring back the use of the cannon and the smoke effects outside c'mooon

@KorokuGaming

4 күн бұрын

That would be great

I had the opportunity to ride the original space mountain as a kid. I'm still nostalgic 20 years later.

I don't know who it was inside Imagineering who convinced them that the new trains should still be steampunk styled, but one day when this talentless, corporate era of Disney creative has passed, and this ride returns to it's original, dignified form... That guy will be the silent hero who kept their foot blocking the door to make sure it was still a possibility

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I'm not really sure if Disney will evolve beyond Iger. I have a feeling that it's going to struggle once he leaves and it'll be a long while before another creative takes the helm.

@thedman1696

11 ай бұрын

​@@PoseidonEntertainment true. Perhaps the last fork in the road to a truly successful Disney was when they booted Lasseter out

Someone made this ride in its original form in NoLimits 2. I've been riding it in VR, and it is very fun. I'm gobsmacked that they'd cover up the part of the queue that goes through the attraction. That's genuinely insane and baffling.

Another well crafted video! Sad to see a unique and superior theme attraction be marginalize for the sake of reimagining. It looked like Paris Disneyland had a well theme E-Ticket attraction that complimented the theme of Discoveryland. WIth the departure of From the Earth to the Moon, it appeared the Disney turned it back on the steampunk vision of the Future. Now I am curious how well this land functioned including complimentary attractions and the overall atmosphere. I suppose the space mountain concept was Disney's second attempted of including a roller-coaster within their park after the Matterhorn which is also classified as a waterride. But with space mountain, the ride became a combination of a dark ride and a roller-coaster. I mostly have been familiar with the Disneyland version and later becoming aware that the Magic Kingdom coaster preceded that one. But both are devoid much theming. Except for the technology available at the time. And the Cosmic Rewind and the not mentioned Rock and Roll Coaster are also more extreme coasters in the dark. The bluesky of image of the volcano would have been incredible ... The Indiana attraction in Anaheim also had more dynamic interactions with the neighboring jungle cruise. ... I am not sure if we will see multiple attractions intertwined in the future. Besides the backstory theme, the other benefit that the Paris Space Mountain benefited from has been the improvement of the queue line experience. After space mountain in Anaheim, we saw a more immersive queue line experience with Big Thunder Mountain, Splash Mountain and Indiana Jones. Both space mountain at MK and DL pale in comparison to the original iteration of Paris version. Immersive queue line lessened the pain of the wait :-) . at least better than the monitor solution at many other parks.

I was there last September and the ride was down for refurbishment, honestly kinda glad it was cause I was hoping for the jules verne version

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I keep seeing the "rumor" that at least Mission 2 will come back, but it seems more hopeful than anything.

Compliments from the Kingdom of the Netherlands! 🇳🇱

I PRAY you will see this. I make these requests to every single big Disney documentary makers. You should make a story on the history of Disneyland Trading Pins. From their Iconic start in Epcot in 2000 to today’s massive trading in parks and pin trade events going on since then.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I can't say that I find pin trading very interesting. Other people have already covered it pretty extensively too.

For someone who went to DLP for first time last year with no clue that that SM was different for the American parks, I loved seeing the Verne theming. However, it very much frustrated me that I couldn’t see it how it was meant to be, especially since SW is a dying/dead IP at the moment. Even if you love SW, it makes no sense for it to be there long term with Verne theming!

Spot-on. I was there in 1997 as a kid and immediately fell in love with the Jules Vernes themed Space Mountain. When I returned in 2008 to show my ex gf what an awesome ride it was, nonetheless wanting to experience some long-lost nostalgia, I was very disappointed that nearly everything that made this ride such a great experience was stripped. It struck me as lack of maintenance, cost-saving cornercutting and a very cheap attempt to squeeze out a few more bucks over the backs of the returning fans. Save to say that when I visited the attraction again in 2017, now rebranded Star Wars, I had lowered my expectations thus much and even then it was a disappointing experience. I returned once more with my gf for the New Years eve event, but DisneyLand Paris is a sad reminder of a once great initiative, now turned into a bitter, expensive and capitalistic overcrowded reflection of todays consumer society. 'De Efteling' in Holland is a 1000x better choice if you're contemplating to visit a theme park in Europe.

Ugh this is absolutely the saddest story of a great attraction becoming a total cashgrab. I loved the original theming of the ride and it’s a shame I won’t be able to experience it as it was originally designed. My only hope is that since Disney is a company that is known to bank on nostalgia, that they will eventually remove the Hyperspace Mountain theming and revive the original attraction with updated effects. They sort of did this at California Adventure, with Soarin’ Over California coming back as a limited offering in-between Soarin’ Over The World. The new steampunk cars at SM Paris also give me hope that they don’t plan to stick with the Star Wars theming forever. Thanks for this video! I’m glad to find others that share in the sentiment about this attraction.

@thegixlad27

11 ай бұрын

I know you probably don't mean new NEW steampunk trains, but obviously these have been there since 2016 or something? Disney really need to wake up, change it back to mission 2 or a mission 3.

@LexOnTheWeb

11 ай бұрын

@@thegixlad27 “Newest” I guess. Seems crazy that they redid the trains and kept the the steampunk theme but still kept the Star Wars overlay.

As a fan of steampunk aesthetic, what they did to Space Mountain enrages me!

Generally speaking, the best parts of DLP and TDR were the portions which were original to those resorts and not drowning in cartoons. Universal has always been about “riding the movies,” but by using former Imagineers to build out fully realized lands, Universal’s latest IP content has been impressive. Before Potter, Uni never matched Disney for placemaking. Sadly, over my last few trips to Japan, I’ve noticed Tokyo Disney Sea is drifting towards the same IP problem as the American parks. I suppose the decline is inevitable because Oriental Land Company is required to use WDI for all projects, and we know how WDI is going downhill. Imagineering simply doesn’t employ the talent it once had. Period. I hope Tokyo holds out as long as possible. Paris never had a chance.

@idk-zt8rx

10 ай бұрын

So far, only stormrider seems to have been infected. I really miss that ride. The space mountain project does make me feel a bit more optimistic about the park, though.

I've been to the original Space Mountain and absolutely loved it. I came back a few years later to find it all converted to Star Wars, in a honestly pretty half-arsed way, which made me really sad. The original was one of the best themed roller coasters I have ever been on, the new one just doesn't fit in the land, doesn't look good and just makes no sense overall.

I’m sure I’ve asked this before, but would you ever consider an episode on hyper-themed chain restaurants? Stuff like Rainforest Cafe, Hard Rock Cafe, and Planet Hollywood instantly comes to mind when thinking about destination theme park level experiences without having to travel to Florida or California. Especially interested to hear your thought on Rainforest since it’s essentially like eating in a dark ride show building.

so glad you agree that cosmic rewind is "space mountain 2" because that's exactly what I said getting off for the first time LOL

That advert for space mountain was on my Lion King VHS and man, that short little ad gives me chills now EVERY time

@KorokuGaming

4 күн бұрын

ME TOO and when I got to ride it, it was like a dream come true. Went recently and the Hyperspace version SUCKS, it's now one of the worst coasters in DLP.

They need to remove Hyperspace Mountain and bring back the OG with new stuff like Mission 2, combining the two into a new version of Space Mountain with the Fly to the Moon elements. I would even want to see a happy Cartoon Moon and the canon fire too.

As a major Star Wars fan I must say: I LOVE hyperspace mountain, as you said I think its a great season overlay for space mountain. But it should 100% be May only, if not the first two weeks of May alone. The problem as you mentioned was that its an overlay that has become a de-facto rebrand, despite the original theming present. I think if Disney were to go full-bore, and retheme the building, ques, and remaining original ride elements to Star Wars then it could be a successful concept. But this half-assed attempt to market the ride neither compares to the other Disney Star Wars rides, nor is as thematically consistent an experience as Space mountain or Cosmic rewind.

The only good part of the overlay was the new vest restraints, and that was the only part of the update that was still in the Jules Verne theme

Super awesome video. I really enjoyed it, and it genuinely sucks to see Space Mountain being treated like this.

I love hearing about Disneyland stuff ❤❤❤❤

That ride looks fast! Also, the music in that advertisement was actually music from the Alton Towers black hole… I’d love a video on UK theme parks. Especially the old and new dark rides.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't have known that it was the same music. Do you know what the track is called? Black Hole looks interesting but it would be difficult to do a video on because there's not really any good footage of it out there.

i am very glad i got to experience the jules verne era of the discoveryland

I recently rode this space mountain, and the star wars theme is fine… as a temporary overlay. I DESPERATELY WISH TO RIDE THIS AGAIN WITH THE OG THEMING

Am honestly disturbed how many attractions use screens nowadays

@KorokuGaming

4 күн бұрын

Low res crappy screens hooraayyyy

The biggest pro gamer move they could do but choose not to for some reason: - Revive any of the Jules Verne IPs they have worked on in the past and restore all the themed rides for new and old generations to discover again. Literally make it Discovery Island for new people. They have or have had Verne in what feels like half the parts already, just revive those with a good movie and suddenly they'd have a profitable IP again to use that they already have plenty of plans, rides, or designs for.

Funny how Europa Park picked up another idea with Cancan Coaster and somehow revived it.

So true. Bring back space mountain please disney

Glad you mentioned mission breakout, because I thought the same damn thing when I road it.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

You could take out the GotG and nothing would change lol.

I can't lie as sad as this may sound, I like the star wars theming as I grew up with star wars, the star wars theme also got me over my fear of rollercoasters as it made me want to try it

I was there not to long ago and while the star wars version is fun and even very cool in some places when lasers are whizzing past you I wish I would be able to experience the original version it looks way more detailed and cool. I'm very glad that so rumor says that a more original version will return in the coming years

great show

So sad that Disneyland Paris haven’t followed the original plan of the Jules Vernes “land” foreseen by Eurodisney… It was sooo beautiful when this section opened !

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

An expansion for the land to bring more of "Discovery Bay" into it would have been a great way to keep it fresh over the years. Too bad it exists as it does today.

The hyper space 2 looks like so much better then Star Wars! And I’m a huge Star Wars fanboy!

i still remember that space mountain vhs ad, it scared me as a child

Although DL world on the move Tomorrowland of 60s and 70s is my fave ever, IMHO Discoveryland is the most successful current version.

Have you ever heard the Tragedy of Darth Space Mountain of Paris? I thought not. It's not a story Disney would tell you.

@EspenSGX

11 ай бұрын

That reminds me, when the ride turned 25 in 2020 DLP released a video celebrating "25 years of Hyperspace Mountain". That (accidental?) bit of revisionism really didn't go down well. Oh boy, the comments!

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

This was way funnier than it had any right to be

I still have a VHS cassette with a french space mountain ad on it.

The irony of butchering this version of Space Mountain -- and some of the more questionable changes I've seen others discuss made to the wider Discoveryland area -- was that this presented the best "fix" possible to the Tomorrowland problem: how do you keep a land centered around science, technology, and the future relevant without overhauling it every ten years? Place it in the world of imagination, and theme it around a familiar, particular vision of the future. Trying to simulate a trip to the Moon or Mars based on current rocket science might not hold up once the realities of making those trips set in, but there's still a great deal of romanticism about the idea of space travel. Something retro-futuristic like the Jules Verne steampunk-esque theming of Discoveryland might already be extremely dated, but it also harkens back to an era where people had genuine interest in science and speculated about how new discoveries and new technology would transform people's lives. Tomorrowland was dreamt up with good intentions, but everyone's idea about the what the world of tomorrow will look like is different from person-to-person, and changes with the passing day. Keeping to a particular vision, molding your theming and attractions around it, and focusing more on the universal elements of that vision of the future would do more to serve any version of Tomorrowland or Space Mountain than slapping on a new coat of paint, or throwing in a cheap overlay.

Just read DLP's book on Space Mountain. They ended the book by calling the Star Wars overlay a "natural evolution from Mission 2". They´re deluded.

When a ride features dynamic physical features that make it look unique and spectacular, like the locking barrel effect on the original Paris Space Mountain, that generally equates to high maintenance costs needed to keep those features working. And we know that in the Disney of the Bobs era that anything that costs money, no matter how much it adds to the visitor experience, gets eliminated sooner or later.

I cannot believe that they scrapped this beautiful Jules Verne inspired ride for a Star Wars theme....

Man! I wish I could have gotten to go on it when it first opened! It looked so amazing. How worried are you for Tiana's Bayou Adventure turning out? Since it announcement I've feared that retheme would go about as well as the Frozen one.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

I have no idea how that ride will turn out. I've heard rumors, ranging from it's going to preserve many of the animatronics and just put in a few new specific scenes, to they're tearing everything out and it's going to be 3 animatronics with otherwise a bunch of wall projections. I'll wait and see, but knowing Disney, I'm not optimistic.

Last month, I rode Hyperspace Mountain at Disneyland for the first time. That overlay is awful. I hated it so much that it has affected my feelings toward regular Space Mountain, which, I now, may not ride again. We'll have to wait and see if I can recover from the awful memory that is Hyperspace Mountain.

Space Mountain is such a thematic disappointment currently. But next to what's said in the video, what really annoys me is that the first two iterations had a orchestral score and that's it, however Hyperspace Mountain of course has the Star Wars music, but also continued pilot chatter. It's like a Frenchman is yelling into your ears for the duration. Especially annoying if you don't speak the language. Disney also clearly hasn't learned. The Rock 'n' Rollercoaster refurb into Avengers: Flight Force is a disappointment. While RnR was an exciting ride with the music and light effects, Flight Force is a ride in the dark with a few glimpses at, I guess Captain Marvel or Iron Man? You fly past so fast you can't make them out. And then we have the queue. The Iron Man animatronic is somehow more often broken than working. There you stand in a room with a closed tube, looking at a TV. Wow. Finally the trains. Instead of getting new ones, they slapped a new hood on the ones they already had. I'm 6 feet, that shouldn't be too tall, but the seating's too short and the over the shoulder braces are too low, pushing you down uncomfortably.

@PoseidonEntertainment

11 ай бұрын

For the issues of Space Mountain, Flight Force is definitely way worse.

The lead-up from the original ride to Hyperspace Mountain reflects just a part of Disney's anti-Eisnerism with its creative and thematic decision-making. The parks under Eisner's reign sought to deliver original experiences divorced from film IP, but the failure of endeavors such as California Adventure lead Disney (and Iger) to develop an incorrect affiliation with self-contained theming to guest disinterest. In reality, the failure of late-Eisner projects were obviously due to insufficient budgeting and thus cheap experiences.

Another great video! I'm still very biased towards the original, but I'm hopeful to try this one out someday even with the Star Wars themeing. I still wish they would have made a dueling dragons styled coaster for Tron (blue and orange sides) when they brought it to Florida.

Totally agree!