The rules changes for Dev wounds also improved norn emisary durability since its innate 4+++ vs mortals now apply to dev wounds as well

@TeamRedWolf

7 күн бұрын

Really? I was wondering when they would update that rule

@goddog8739

7 күн бұрын

Where did they make that change?

@martinobispo8724

7 күн бұрын

@@goddog8739 Its on rules commentary PDF, page 7, under Dev Wounds section

I expected the Neurolictor to be a synapse creature at first. I was surprised when it wasn't.

@BreakerBeat

8 күн бұрын

Yeah, it was really weird that it wasn't, but at the same time Synapse mattered so little no one cared. Now that Synapse is a +1S in melee and -1 Ld for enemies, getting Synapse on the NL is actually quite nice.

@auspextactics

8 күн бұрын

Same here!

@tiberiumnp8030

8 күн бұрын

Same! Was the only brain bug without synapse.

@keithmiller6713

7 күн бұрын

The broodlord not being synapse never made any sense

@Trazynn

7 күн бұрын

Or neurogants...

Tyranids are my favorite faction aesthetically

@iandick1364

8 күн бұрын

Too bad they're usually vanilla on the table in most editions. They have so many options and cool tools, but in most editions, almost none of it gets used.

@thomasboudreau4246

8 күн бұрын

Started them as my first army because I love the look and I love my lovecraftian horror from beyond the stars.... started space marines as my second army because I needed something simpler to really learn how to play better lol

@yamato9753

8 күн бұрын

I personally love their detachements. Their motivation is also quite understandable. They just hangry lil' guys 0:)

@tomekk.1889

8 күн бұрын

Thousand sons for me. Some armies just look 10x better to some people haha

@Birdmanesp92

8 күн бұрын

Vanguard might be able to punch up now

Broodlords getting Synapse back is great, particularly in light of the +1 strength. Pleased to see hive tyrants can get up to S10. That was a major criticism of mine when it came to them!

Good, my buddy Dave has been playing Nids all edition, I wanted to see him have more fun with his army and it looks like this will help. Really nice to see him excited!

@izzibizzistrizzi

7 күн бұрын

you're a good dude

@Tinytraveler

7 күн бұрын

@@izzibizzistrizzi Hey you know what? I've had a hard day today, when I made that comment I genuinely meant it, and to have someone just say that made today a lot less tough. Appreciated.

@AcornPlays

6 күн бұрын

Hooray for Dave lol

@chriscapps206

3 күн бұрын

good day to be dave,good friend to say that, W friend moment for sure

You didn't mention that now the swarmlord has the lord of deceit ability that grants a 12" aura that adds 1cp to the ennemy stratagems around him, which could be huge

@natefxpro2973

7 күн бұрын

yes that needs to be noted for sure its super nice to have

@Snaek1

7 күн бұрын

such a huge buff from the very situational ability it was before. nids eating good this update :D

As a new player that literally just got into 40k (haven't even played a single game yet) I am very excited with the Tyranid buff as they are the army I was planning on collecting! May the swarm never stop consuming!

My lovely Raveners finally got Vanguard!! Could not believe the 3 worm bio-forms didn't get that from the start!

From the Sons of Sanguinis change don't underestimate that +1 Strength buff. Also that change to Neurotyrants to lead Zoanthropes feels right, basically a bigger one in tyrant form.

@Khobai

7 күн бұрын

the +1 strength buff is a fairly mixed bag since it only matters when certain thresholds are reached. S5, S6, S8, S10 are really the thresholds that matter. S4, S7, S9 dont really matter as much in the current meta.

@robbiepeacocke2465

6 күн бұрын

@@Khobaiboost to S4 for hormagaunts helps against T3, T4 and T6 - most infantry models are one of those

@Khobai

6 күн бұрын

@@robbiepeacocke2465i dont use hormagaunts outside of endless swarms though, theyre really bad. They had a chance to shine if endless swarms wasnt nerfed into the ground but unfortunately it was. Im just not seeing hormagaunts getting used at all even with S4.

Running 12 Zoanthropes with 2 Neuro Tyrants is gonna be mad!

@Br0ck3n

7 күн бұрын

Is there a specific Hive Fleet that would work best with that? Also, how would you play that? What tactics would be best with it?

@scottsbarbarossalogic3665

7 күн бұрын

​@Br0ck3n Invasion fleet for flexing into sustained/lethal depending on the enemy Nexus is more thematic, but it's buffs are more melee focused

@Br0ck3n

7 күн бұрын

@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 Interesting.

@Dewoy1

6 күн бұрын

@@Br0ck3n I mean, i would run them in any detachement. I think they are really good for overwatch now, against infantry. 6 D3+blast and then the 2 D6 flamer is nothing to laugh about against infantry. When it comes to getting an extra bang for your buck. Syneptic Nexus for sure! "Irresistible Will" is gonna be even better now on them (Reroll 1´s for hits and wounds) Invasion fleet is not necessary for lethals or sustained. Their focuses witchfire laser has the Lethal keyword regardless. And sustained is only vs infantry. We have blast on the other profil, but really, we got lots of other units that can deal with infantry. They are a solid anti tank unit now, and i will gladly spent 610pts for 2 units, just to see how it goes.

@robbiepeacocke2465

6 күн бұрын

@@Br0ck3nsynaptic nexus stratagem is good for rerolling ones to hit and wound - makes zoans with a Neurotyrant go from 61% chance of wounding a tough enemy (with less than 12 T) to 80% chance to wound

Honestly feels,like these changes should have been there at the start of 10th Honestly baffles me who writes the Nids rules

@bugmanzgaming9054

8 күн бұрын

Robbin Crudacce writes them, and he is known for hating them, so.... yeah. At least we got fixed proper.

@Klierowski

8 күн бұрын

Same idiot who writes codex marines.

@Proto1Dude

8 күн бұрын

@@bugmanzgaming9054 He's not know as "Cruddy Cruddace" for nothing

@NecroGoblin-yl2fx

8 күн бұрын

@@bugmanzgaming9054 GW should not have one who hates a faction write that faction. it will be rushed and made half.

@johnj.spurgin7037

7 күн бұрын

Probably the same crew that did Custodes and GSC and edition start DG. Feels like half the writers at GW are incompetent. At least half their team can put out decent stuff.

I see the +2OC in crusher stampede as a bait for damaging your monsters so they can actually use their detachment ability

I’m thinking about starting 40k and I’m really liking the look of the Tryranid models

@91elpiris

8 күн бұрын

it would be a perfect time to jump in. We suddenly look like way more fun to play army.

@Indigo_Indignation

6 күн бұрын

Considering 10th edition focused a lot on refreshing the 'nid range, I highly recommend it! For the Great Devourer!

It seems like no one has noticed that the two hierodule variants both got shoved into legends yesterday.

@TeamRedWolf

7 күн бұрын

I was under the impression they been there since beginning of 10th

@JonBoy79

7 күн бұрын

@TeamRedWolf Nah, had one in my Crusher Stampede list in the Warhammer app. Then it vanished with the update.

@TeamRedWolf

7 күн бұрын

@@JonBoy79 oh damn and I sold mines thinking they were. It's cool I'm liking the emissary more anyway

@rain6353

7 күн бұрын

Emissary is gorgeous. Wasn’t a fan of many FW nids except the malanthrope and rippers.

@TeamRedWolf

7 күн бұрын

@@rain6353 gorgeous enough I had to buy 3 lol

I believe Leadership caps out at 8+, it's just worded very confusingly. Under the rules errata "Leadership characteristics can never be modified to 4+ (or better), or to 9+ (or worse)."- you cannot modify Ld to 4+ or 9+

@jimmicuss2667

8 күн бұрын

Most battleshock modifying wording applies to the dice roll not the leadership score so it gets around this limit.

@sjeveburger381

8 күн бұрын

​@@jimmicuss2667 I know that, I'm just pointing out that Leadership cannot be made worse than 8+. Between the two, Tyranids can get as much as a -4 to battleshock tests and put near-anything on a 10+ save though

I love it. My norns are a little more usable with the +1S and dev wounds defense and i already run zoanthropes and neurotyrant

Re the respawning strat caps. I wonder if they realised it might be quite powerful to keep a respawned battleline unit off the board until T5 for the secret mission that is based on battleline units being in the right board position? By capping it at once you still can try to keep that unit in your back pocket but it costs you the benefit of using it earlier? Maybe, does seem quite random though

Perfect timing for me to take my Tyranids to their first game tomorrow! 🎉

@martynfurnival3455

8 күн бұрын

And you will more than likely get abused for the first 10 games with a weak army book and then choose to buy another, better army. I know I play tyranids, it's like banging your head against a brick wall often

@harrymcguire7557

8 күн бұрын

Good luck!

@user-hv6gi9ux6z

8 күн бұрын

Have ..you even given your new buffs a chance?​@@martynfurnival3455

@The_fat_kid145

7 күн бұрын

@@harrymcguire7557 thanks! 😊 Looking forward to unleashing the big boys, S10 norn melee, D6+6 rupture cannon shooting and Zonathropes with their new leader buff

@user-hv6gi9ux6z

7 күн бұрын

​@@martynfurnival3455can you, just not?

Neurolictor and Broodlord being synapse creatures makes sense what else them big heads for?

Honestly one of the little niche tricks I'm hyped for is Mawlocs in Vanguard considering you can now use a stratagem to pull them back into reserves repeatedly

Had my first game with crusher stampede upgrades yesterday. They are awesome folks. The OC buff earned me 10 VP over the course of the game and my opponent's desire to reduce that led to a lot of injured monsters with +1TH and +1TW mid to late game. I misread the move through buildings strat and thought i could't move through anything higher than 4" so i wasn't even playing all of the strengths of the detachment.

@RavagerZero

7 күн бұрын

That's exactly how I thought the Crusher buff would work out: Old meta of focusing down a bug at a time makes you lose out on some critical VP now. But removing the bonus VP by chip damage only makes the bugs mad. That said, it does help play into the lore of this detachment by forcing opposing players to make that choice now. Also, have you tried an Ominous Presence Hive Tyrant + Tyrant Guard brick? Up to OC 14, and OC 8 when the TG are stripped away.

For Crusher Stampede the +2 OC helps Carnifexes since they will never be under starting strength until one of them are dead, or until Old One Eye is by himself.

@shaniamonde7341

7 күн бұрын

And once Old One Eye has lost his squad he reverts to being a solo character (like all characters do) and thus is back at full strength again.

@cheezypotatoes

7 күн бұрын

@@shaniamonde7341 OOE can even heal back wounds to gain the OC back as well.

I'm low key keen to run a tonne of Hormagaunts alongside some Hive Tyrants in Invasion Fleet 👌

@ANDELE3025

8 күн бұрын

I think you wrote the wrong gaunts, Terms (with devourers) are the shooty ones to get the lethal hits, as the tyrant aura doesnt benefit melee. And its something the Tervigon already does without the assault aspect which they dont need due to the reactive and surge moves they have.

@twaddc1390

8 күн бұрын

@@ANDELE3025 nah Hormagaunts within Synapse for the extra strength in melee, and the Hive Tyrant dishing out a free strat not restricted to Battle Tactic - shall see how it goes

@ANDELE3025

8 күн бұрын

@@twaddc1390 Ah, so flyrant to keep up with the dashing lings. Yeah, can see it working for the invasion 5 crits/endless 5 crit+sustained1/synaptics rerolls., not sure using the strat cost reduction will be worth it on the 4/1/1 (being 5 points more per 10, worse mission action economy and when brood+stealers are now a efficiently scary prospect instead of merely the "well, im playing GSC without playing GSC and actually able to mostly do even point side trades/kill without rng and neurolthicctor help, at least till a precision attack snipes the broodlord out")

@Backstabmacro

7 күн бұрын

Agreed, I’m looking forward to trying some gun warriors with a venom cannon tyrant and tyrant guard.

Rather than wondering if Zoanthropes + Neurotyrant should benefit from Big Guns Never Tire, the question should be: Why don't ALL psychic weapons get the Big Guns treatment? Why should you not be able to use psychic powers in melee? Does your brain just turn off? Currently "psychic weapon" is just a tag for a gun, but a tag that gives no bonuses and gives a load of penalties with the anti-psyker rules and the FNP vs psychic. The status of zoanthropes + tyrant should be the norm, not the exception. Effectively, it just means that your monumental psionic powers are at least as useful as a Pistol.

@joheras9330

7 күн бұрын

Ive just been playing it as the neuro tyrant gets big guns nevee tore not the zoans feels way to good to be true otherwose haha

@shaniamonde7341

7 күн бұрын

It has always worked that way when the effect is negative, tyrant guard being vunerable to both anti-infantry and anti-monster when being in a squad with the neuro(or hive) tyrant. So why should the trigger change when the effect is positive? I say yeah if you want to count units as picking up all keywords then zoans get big guns never tire.

Pretty excited for Vanguard Onslaught, the big threat range now actually has some THREAT behind it. Lictors at s8 for 55 points plus all of their other rules feel auto-include everywhere, but here especially where they can charge 18" on average. The chameleon flyrant was already pretty playable as well, but im pretty sure the best change is horms being s4, which is a lot more 5s to wound instead of 6s. Still pretty hard to tankbust, but at least we can get to s10 now instead of it being an impossible ask.

Time to eat some biomass

Other weird thing with big guns never tire, it says monster units can shoot but only monster models get the -1 to hit

Funny thing about Zoanthropes and Big guns never tire is that they don't get -1 to hit because RAW that only aplies to monster models 😂

@voltix54

8 күн бұрын

Which is why it clearly wasnt intented and so no one should run it like that

@dkng6363

7 күн бұрын

@@voltix54why?

@voltix54

7 күн бұрын

@@dkng6363 because its a janky twisting of the rules? like why would you on purpose misinterpret the intentions of the rules when its clearly a mistake? this is why we cant have nice things in 40k because people will find the most ridiculous legal interpretation and run with it when it makes no sense so they have to tighten the rules.

@robertreyes6959

6 күн бұрын

​@@voltix54 they could always just write the rules correctly and clearly form the start so that there is no need for interpretation...

@voltix54

5 күн бұрын

@@robertreyes6959 agreed its really sloppy of gw but theres no reason to take that frustration out on your fellow player

Regarding Crusher Stampede: The OC boost actually helps with bringing in Carnifex units. Before the 2 man fex units couldn't benefit from the detachment because you couldn't get 'below half' for the +1 to wound and you needed to lose an entire carnifex to get the +1 to hit. But now this means a carnifex block has 10 OC until it loses a carnifex and then the remaining one gets +1 to hit. Unsure how much this would help but it actually allows carnifexes to be useful now.

10 Genestealers + Broodlord are 230 points, which nets you 40 attacks at WS 2+ S5 AP -2 Devastating Wounds from the squad itself. That by itself causes about enough wounds to wipe out an entire squad of Marines in one fight. This is going to be FUN.

@waffleiron554

7 күн бұрын

Even better genestealers are actually 2+ WS

We had 1 detachment, Crusher Stampede, that was dead on arrival with the codex, by far the weakest of the bunch and still not great. Now we effectively have another detachment, Unending Swarm, cut off at the waist by the strat change... If we're losing 1/3 of our army options, the design studio HAD to give us some actual bite in the remaining 2/3

@Siathuan

7 күн бұрын

With Synapse giving us Strength, and the OC bonus motivating our opponents to either chip away - and thus trigger the to-hit bonus - or let us score VP, I think Crusher Stampede is perfectly playable. Not a tournament-winning option, perhaps, but you can play it casually without going into the game knowing you'll lose.

@leSmokySmoke

7 күн бұрын

​@@Siathuanthey dont damage your Monster, they Put another Guy in the point

I'm interested in seeing how this affects the armies' tournament performance, because I'm not convinced the buffs will outweigh the nerfs on a hyper-competitive level. They're definitely welcome improvements for more casual play, but I'm thinking about how that 1 Unending Swarm Nid list that won a major tournament is significantly worse off after all these changes. Edit: Maybe my gripe is more about how these buffs wildly swing the internal balance of Tyranid units, after forcing players into a relatively small number of viable builds since the start of 10th Edition. It's kind of ridiculous that Games Workshop went a year before they realized, "Oh yeah, I guess every melee attack in the army should have +1 Strength".

@Silverdragon83X

8 күн бұрын

The got boosted, where they needed it (especially the strenght), but are still one of the weaker factions and only have a few auto-includes. The changes to OC0 units hit them very hard, that was one of their best options to easily get victory points...

@Errtuabyss

8 күн бұрын

I agree. Most people seem to forget that a lot of the monsters are below S9 in their weapon profiles and/or have something like 3 attacks WS3+, meaning even with the buff you will get maybe 1 wound in with AP-2 or so. So the average dmg you can expect is something around 4. If the target doesn't have an invuln, FnP -1dmg, minus to hit etc. It will mainly help anti-infantry (especially things like Genestealers or Raveners) but anti-vehicle will still be a problem. With a bunch of armies having either their transports buffed or becoming more important since other things got nerfed and Knigths getting better this problem will only increase. I am also not sure how GW is expecting Nids to score mission points now with exploits like mines or returning gargoyles not working anymore. The Crusher Stampede buff is ridiculous in any competitive environment since it is gone as soon as you take a single wound of a model.. Sure, that triggers their main buff. But you are still not scoring the points.. so what good does it do? So as nice as the buffs are. The important things that decide over the overall performance are not really getting much better.

@dalemallon2924

8 күн бұрын

​@Silverdragon83X I feel like auto-includes are symptomatic of bad internal balance. Ideally no unit should be so superior that its considered auto include. I think we're getting to a better place in general though by not relying on spore mines for easy points. I prefer a far more aggressive approach.

@TyranidFerore

8 күн бұрын

I think you're trying to compare leviathan scoring to pariah nexus here and it doesnt compare well at all. Biovores can still score a number of secondaries if thats what you want, at a reduced cost, Otherwise, there's now a number of secondaries that require whole turn actions to complete, which battleshocking can interrupt. Your opponent not scoring points can push a victory as much as you scoring points can. Tyranids have a plethora of ways to force battleshock tests outside of the normal sequences, and also now just have the damage to back it up when all else fails. Not to mention the viability of several units being thrown forward for list and detachment variation. This negativity to me seems so weird when you consider the dataslate as a whole - the VAST majority of strong armies in the game received sizeable nerfs to their own rules and datasheets, along with the same core rules changes, and nids are the second most buffed faction. We couldnt have asked for more that wouldnt have put nids into the stupid strong category imo.

@Errtuabyss

7 күн бұрын

@@TyranidFerore 1/6 secondaries (3 out of 18) can be done with a Spore Mine, given it survives long enough to score. A Biovore is now 5 points less than a Lictor, which can do halve the secondaries just by free rapid ingress and have a reasonable survivability as an LoneOp with stealth. Point being that you don't get basically free secondaries with Biovores anymore, which makes them and with their dmg output being so low it is very debatable if it's worth taking them at all. Not unusable but lowering the scoring ability of Nids significantly (we where already winning by a thin margin and mainly of the exploits). That said: we do have units like the Lictor that will be good for scoring. So it's not like we are totally screwed all of a sudden. What you are not mentioning is that most of those forced BatSho tests are bound to specific units that haven't the greatest usability outside of that ability. Screamerkillers may be viable thanks to the Synapse str boost (they don't fit well into lists like vanguard so it has to be tried out), but in general it's either the 2 we where already using in almost every list or units that are still not that much better now and not worth taking just to force the test. Which isn't auto-failed either, even with the SitW buff. It helps but it's still not killing a unit and depending on a bad roll for most of our rules to do anything. Which is still a bit swingy for good competitive win-rates. The negativity is mostly at very specific points and bigger problems the faction has. The positives are much less relevant to the overall win-rates since it doesn't help as much with the problems as the negatives impact the options to win. Not saying the win-rate won't go up and it's good we had this update. This is mainly putting it into perspective, focusing on competitive play (which Discospawn was very specific about). Not being hyped about something doesn't mean you are negative. It's just being realistic about the probable impact on the competitive win-rates. I personally think, after the first month maybe (so after most of the wild testing phase is over), we will see Nids getting a few percentage higher win-rates, but it won't take them out of the lower third of all factions. Primary scoring is still hard if it depends mostly on BatSho do work (with Battleline Spam being much harder now) and secondaries won't be easier with all codex factions having 12" deep strike denials and we not having that many units that can jump somewhere, do actions and survive a turn. If you run a good Invasion Fleet or Vanguard list you are probably doing much better than before. If you run something random you will notice mainly a shift of what the problems you have to overcome are.

Crusher Stampede needs the savage roar stratagem to give stealth and they’ll be playable

@banishedpest115

8 күн бұрын

No they need to make it +1 to hit at all times, +1 if under starting. It's core issue is that it has no effect unless the opponent let's you.

@coachgonzalezpg1742

8 күн бұрын

@@banishedpest115 the damage isn’t the problem when I play, it’s keeping them alive that’s the problem. +1 is irrelevant at times because some shooting monsters have heavy key word

I think what people done realize is that synapse was a non ability. Most other factions never worry about morale, most relevant with Necrons being a similarly versatile army Synapse was just making their morale have more stipulations with almost zero upside, making Tyranids only actual ability be a shitty once per game give a couple units battleshock maybe.

Gaaah I need some more hormagaunts.. I’ve been needing hormagaunts but this solidifies it.

Wow, Nids are looking MUCH better now, MUUUUUCH better.

@leSmokySmoke

7 күн бұрын

Im Happy for you that you can believe that for 2 weeks :)

@Trignama1

7 күн бұрын

@@leSmokySmoke LMAO, WOOOOOOOOOW, bro you cannot be serious right? You are just one of those people who NO MATTER WHAT they need to cry and complain? You must be a real treat IRL. The game ebbs and flows, all armies are affected by changes, it's up to you as the player to deal with it.

@leSmokySmoke

6 күн бұрын

@@Trignama1 im Just realistic. We come into this Update hugely nerfed by the fact that we can no longer easily Score Points Turn 1 outside of vanguard. And at a much Higher Point Investment From Turn 2 onwards. So this alone would have probably dropped us down to a generous 40% winrate, because thats all we had, getting a bit lucky and clinging onto These Points and hopefully hold primary for Just long enough before getting wiped. So thats our starting Point Here. OFCOURSE the +1S in melee is a big Deal in many situations, and it probably will be enough to get us barely back to 45%.. but we will still be among the weakest armies. Some of the other changes are cute QoL, but no significant buff to our widely still overcosted army that have to Invest even more Points into scoring now. And having acess to a more reliable anti Tank unit is cute, but at 305pts I still dont See it beeing worth the take unless your already brought zoans, which are never played right now because how Bad and overcosted they are.. And we couple this with a devasting Nerf to swarm, and a harsh Nerf to Invasion fleets tankyness..

crusher stampede needs +2" move detachment rule

Love the necronunda Tyranid sculpts right now. Far better than having either a few normal guardsmen or actual Tyranids in my gsc army. Interested to see how this update changes the game.

Lol "not so unending swarm"

Wondering if the new Crusher Stampede +2OC to monsters affects the Harpy/Hive Crone? They're currently 0OC. I can't imagine it wouldn't affect them.

Makes me wonder what the point in buying a £37 codex is when they just overhaul all the rules anyways and it becomes useless 😂

@vaettra1589

7 күн бұрын

They want you to buy the app.

@jaketheglutenphreakharris6620

Күн бұрын

Honestly none. They could save a MASSIVE bundle by digitizing the rules. They could charge the same amount and the community would still buy them.

I’m wanting to try the tyrannofex, seems like a good anti-tank

I don't play nids so I was honestly laughing when I saw some of the changes to them. I couldn't believe that the Neurolictor didn't have Synapse or that the Raveners weren't vanguard invaders. It's good that they finally got it but, it should've been part of their original errata.

I know it's now legends but I'm looking forward to running my dimachaeron with 10 s10 attacks at ap -2 damage 3 and twin linked

Is the debuff for shadow in the warp of synapse comulative with the debuff of the Neurotyrant?

I do want to see Crusher improved.

It's Tyranover. they killed the swarm.

Battleshock test caps at 10+ roll, max -2 to leadership (DL and dirgeheart) and -2 to roll SiTW and Neurotyrant.

The neuronode enhancement for Vanguard onslaught got nerfed as well to the lesser redeployment but overall very good buffs for my bugs.

>unending swarm >Looks inside >Swarm ends after 1 use

My boy doesn't sleep - he waits for rules updates.

Thinking a Ranged Foot Lord with Stranglethorne might be good to sit back with Exocrine and Tyranofex.

New Lord of Deceit (LOD) aura has raised some questions regarding are Stratagems played in the aura or when a unit is in reserve Example DENIZENS OF THE WARP DAEMONIC INCURSION - STRATEGIC PLOY STRATAGEM WHEN: Your Movement phase. TARGET: One Legiones Daemonica unit from your army that is arriving using the Deep Strike ability this phase. EFFECT: Your unit can be set up anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 3" horizontally away from all enemy models. RESTRICTIONS: A unit targeted by this Stratagem is not eligible to declare a charge in the same turn. Unlike a Stratagem such Rapid Ingress that specifically says TARGET: One unit from your army that is in Reserves. A number of Stratagems use the wording TARGET ...unit from your army that is arriving using the Deep Strike ability this phase. So does the LOD increase the CP of this stratagem if the unit is set up within 12" of the LOD? Views?

Will the new shadow in the warp change actually stack with the neurotyrant?

Would love to see an updated deep dive on vanguard

The only thing I actually care about here is the fact that Mawlocs and Raveners got the Vanguard keyword... no fucking idea why they didnt have it anyway

Can hierodules be a proxy for a Norn Emissary/Assimilator?

maleceptors are even nastier now, extra melee str plus them being good melee debuffers anyway just makes for a nice upgrade

Also couldn’t neurothrope’s ability heal the neurotyrant if you wanted to use him as a bullet sponge? If you wanted to double down on a battle shock army

How do Mawloc come from reserve turn 1, is it a stratagem?

How often do games workshop do big box sets like leviathan?

@erickt8184

8 күн бұрын

Every new edition usually.

If only they had given this much attention to other struggling factions...

@noahlewis6776

7 күн бұрын

They did at least give admech some much needed love

* Insert auspex doesnt sleep joke here *

Certainly an interesting change. Perhaps we'll see warriors played again and even raveners every now and then. Overall it seems like a buff but probably not so big buff the winrates are going over 50%.

Do the changes to synapse flow through to combat patrol?

@TyranidFerore

8 күн бұрын

no, combat patrol has its own rules and datasheets

Small thing, but both norn assimilator and emissary have synapse

I feel like that even with all the buffs, and sure the extra strength pip is amazing, it’s hard to say it’s just as good as he potential 80 extra models unending swarm would have had. Other detachments are better now sure, but the swarm build certainly took a crippling hit

My Roomate might have fun playing his tyranids against me now!

Talk about how half arsed the born soldiers change is. Use the wyvern as an example

Nids once lurked in the shadows, but now we are the shadows

All of the sudden spine fist guants shot way up in value since you dont have to take a tervigon tax to make them hit

Where can I find information about Unseen Lurkers drop from 12 to 18inch? I thought it gives lone op ability.

@madflam3192

8 күн бұрын

Idk maybe on the dataslate

@ANDELE3025

8 күн бұрын

Core rule changes, as the strat only gives the no targeting effect/doesnt give Lone Ops proper as a ability rule, but does have a improved effect if you target a unit that already is lone ops (like all lictors) thus really nothing changed as its main use is/was to protect the biovore, 36+ ranged sieges your might bring and the mentioned lictors.

You are a legend!

my rippers swarm wounding on 5+ !

So... swarmlord has vect therefor has that new aura of +1 cp for stratagems far as im aware right?

@vaettra1589

7 күн бұрын

yup

11:00 You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Why focus on an army strategy that lets you REUSE models when you can adapt to the strategies that require new ones?

Correction if you read shadow in the warp carefully the new part of -1LD isn't just for the shadow in the warp trigger it's for any and all battleshock tests

@whirlbladewing2524

7 күн бұрын

The rule states " Each time an enemy unit takes *such* a Battle-shock test". Pretty sure it's only limited to the Shadow in the Warp shocks since it specifies the kind of battle-shock test.

@Snaek1

7 күн бұрын

if you read it reaallllyyy carefully youll find out youre wrong lol

While all of these are nice buffs, I am worried that this still won't entirely fix things. Being able to vomit dice onto targets won't help if you don't have the AP to work with it, and a lot of tyranid units are still going to struggle against 3+s just in general function. Then again the +1S for synapse will drastically improve the monsters and units that actually have melee attacks to do so (and those tend to be big AP hitters as well), so guess we'll have to see.

5:07 where does it say you can't use insane bravery for shadows in the warp?

@banishedpest115

8 күн бұрын

Insane bravery strat states it is used in the battleshock step. Shadow can happen at anytime, I'm command phase, so you just do it afterwards.

@dukaduka01

8 күн бұрын

@banishedpest115 Awesome thank you, never knew this!

Leadership can only go to 8+ not 9+. The rules commentary says "After all modifiers are applied, Leadership characteristics can NEVER be 4+ (or better), or 9+ (or worse)." So the range is 5+ to 8+

Love rules changes not points changes 🎉

when this gonna be in use?

We lost scoring with 0OC rippers and spore mines :c

@rejectedopinions

7 күн бұрын

Just changed which fixed secondaries to take. Engage on all fronts and behind enemy lines now instead of deploy teleport homers and behind enemy lines. I'm a bit annoyed that recover assets isn't fixed for tournament play tho

I don't think the app is reflecting these changes yet

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Ld debuff caps at 8+

Guess its Ending Swarm now

Do I dare to ask...are we back? Except for Unending Swarm though, how dare they be a somewhat viable pick in edge cases.

Lets not forget the loss of the Forgeworld units. It didn't effect the Tyranids as much as some other armies, but its still a loss for them

Good shit. Tyranids be amazing now

I dont think parasite needed synapse.

Invasion fleet got hit aswell. With the new rules to free strategem usage being changed to reducing the cost of the strategame by 1 for that use, Adrenal surge now costs 1 CP to use with Hive Tyrant. Not a massive hit. Just a little sad I suppose. :(

@91elpiris

7 күн бұрын

you can use other strats for free like adding lethal/sustained hits when needed or consolidate 6" (which is very underrated IMHO). No more battle tactic restriction.

@vaettra1589

7 күн бұрын

The big hit against Invasion Fleet is that you can no longer do the 5+ FNP strat twice per round.

Good changes in general. That nerf to the Unending Swarm strat has made this detachment unplayable in any competetive sense. When I play Unending Swarm i have won ganes by the skin of my teeth owing this strat, now i'll run out of models by end of turn 4. Looks like I'm back to Invasion Fleet again which i got bored of. Or maybe give Hive Nexus a go.

I wish the Swarmlord got some more love. It seems like Hive Tyrant just overshadows it now.

@Khobai

7 күн бұрын

just be happy one of them is good now. they all sucked before.

@vaettra1589

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, at least he does get the "Lord of Deceit" 12" aura.

Biovore in the backfield is genuinely dead. Having a Pyrovore in the backfield at least threatens overwatch against deepstriking infantry

@simonmorley4816

4 күн бұрын

Biovores are maybe worth 50 for 3, maybe 30/40/50 Only worth being indirect shooting. Even Hive Guard look better

Zoans on 2s and possibly 2s again hmmm maybe ill make my printer go brrrrrrr

The nerf to unending swarm is a huge disappointment.

yeah gonna say it up front, synaptic nexus is looking better and better

How often does Reinforcements get triggered in a 5 round game, on average? Is it really more than, like... twice? I think people are really over-estimating that nerf.

Bug bois eatin good today. Literally.