Warsaw Pact: Nah dude they’ve got nukes, we’ve got to resolve things peacefully China: DO IT, DO IT, DO IT

@noahpeng1689

2 ай бұрын

Provoke a struggle between the Soviet Union and the United States to gain China's development space. (From Henry Kissinger’s summary of Mao Zedong’s foreign policy)

Mao: "Roast me." People: *extensive criticism* Mao: "So you have chosen death."

@PraveenKumar-kt1qr

3 жыл бұрын

China MAO ZEDONG even threatened stalin in cold war era WW2 ....

@RonaldReaganRocks1

3 жыл бұрын

Mao pulls out machine gun.

@bonk2910

3 жыл бұрын

Heh I know it's funny in hindsight but my grandfathers uncle was one of the few intellectuals who actually criticized Mao during the hundred flowers campaign. He was later taken away by the police and sent to work in a water ditch reservoir (essentially digging a giant hole in the side of a mountain to store water/ice). He spent 20 years working in the reservoir doing manual labor. Hard to imagine going from a university student to 20 years of manual labor in what was pretty much a labor camp.

@bonk2910

3 жыл бұрын

@Satariel sb is sha bi. An insult in chinese.

@bonk2910

3 жыл бұрын

@Satariel *5 mao has been deposited in your account*

1:50 I love how Malenkov is just sitting in between Stalin and Mao with a grumpy face

@redorchestra30

3 жыл бұрын

Lol who can blame him

@TheCimbrianBull

3 жыл бұрын

Malenkov in the photo looks like he's trying to figure out if it was Stalin or Mao who farted.

@crevice5369

3 жыл бұрын

He always had that look 🤣

@hosmerhomeboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCimbrianBull Mao probably smelled that bad to start with if stories are to be believed. And stalin was just the sort to gulag someone for noticing he farted.

@annescholey6546

3 жыл бұрын

That's Voroshilov his #1 buddy.

Ah the classic Sino-Soviet Split. Ironic that China who accused the USSR of revisionism and Capitalist restoration back then.. Well 1970s-2020.. You know.

@kostasyian4788

3 жыл бұрын

It is not hypocrisy if something hasn't happen yet...

@Sheehan1

3 жыл бұрын

@Kostas Yian I like your logical thinking

@waiphyohain

3 жыл бұрын

@RavnDream Correct word would be "irony". If current Chinese gov said the same words, it would be hypocrisy.

@waiphyohain

3 жыл бұрын

@RavnDream China have yet to switch to capitalist(market economy) in 1970. After Mao's death, chinese reopen the country in 70s, 80s. In 2020, China is more capitalist than US, betraying many tenets of Leninism. China claims that it is "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" but it is an essentially capitalist authoritarian system.

@axelpatrickb.pingol3228

3 жыл бұрын

@RavnDream They were consistent in one thing: authoritarianism. Not even under their Republic days did authoritarianism went away...

Khrushchev: Sorry Mao, but times have changed. Mao: Things are never the same without Stalin.

Would love to see how China and Vietnam fought against each other and how that contributed to the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and the Chinese attempting to invade Vietnam in 1979

@TheColdWarTV

3 жыл бұрын

we will get there, but that is still a while away in the timeline.

@bandygamy5898

3 жыл бұрын

And Albania aligned itself with China.

@juliuscaesar8925

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheColdWarTV Can you please make a video on Mission Critical which occured in October 1956 . By the way , love the content

@user-ks7xi4qd8o

3 жыл бұрын

Some persons even argue Deng Xiao has used this war to mobilize PLA and establish his authorirty in CCP, and improve Sino-American relation.

@thangrobin2858

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ks7xi4qd8o as a Vietnamese, i would love to know how this war is potrayed in China, please

The Sino-Soviet split was, in a way, Stalin's fault. Stalin after 1945 talked a big game about how World War III was inevitable and the Soviet Union would win because nuclear weapons were no big deal. He didn't mean that last part, but (he thought) he needed to pretend that he wasn't intimidated by them. So when Khrushchev condemned Stalin, shifted the rhetoric towards the notion of winning the Cold War peacefully, negotiated with the West to minimize geopolitical points of friction that risked escalating into nuclear war (to a degree, mind you), and improved relations with non-aligned countries, Mao perceived it as weakness if not outright betrayal. Consider, for instance, how the mid-'50s rapprochement between Moscow and Belgrade must've looked to someone who had consumed years of propaganda about Tito being a fascist and a traitor. To Mao, Khrushchev would've been a sort of Chamberlain-like figure.

@andrewrogers3067

8 ай бұрын

It surprised me that some fans of this great historical channel, still think any political entity as one united will. There's power struggles even within any political entity, you need to dive deeper to better understand the situation.

@C21H30O2

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, much of the 20th century was just socialists fighting socialists, each having a slightly different end goal and name for their brand of socialism.

@yourtrappedinmygenjutsu

2 жыл бұрын

@@C21H30O2 it was pretty much everyone fighting each other, due to the fears of the cold war. America literally overthrew democratic elected leaders who simply weren't as capitalist as they wanted them to. Then Socialist going at each other over purity. Cold war was truly fascinating.

@anzaca1

2 жыл бұрын

@@C21H30O2 Communists, but yes.

@Elyseon

2 жыл бұрын

@@yourtrappedinmygenjutsu For all their posturing about freedom and democracy, the USA sure supported a lot of totalitarian coups and even carried out mind control experiments on their own citizens.

@patrickangelobalasa

8 ай бұрын

It's honestly kind of dumb that people expect communist and socialist countries to play nice with each other just because they have similar political or economic ideals when conservative and capitalist countries wage war with each other all the fricking time. Having similar economic/political systems, interests, ideals, doesn't fully eliminate conflict.

We Wish to Feature about Spain under General Francisco Franco

@amiralcookie3221

3 жыл бұрын

I would like to see that too

@TheColdWarTV

3 жыл бұрын

you're in luck then! Working on it...

@amiralcookie3221

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheColdWarTV great, you're making great content

@stza16

3 жыл бұрын

I would like to see a feature on Oceania under Big Brother.

@mojewjewjew4420

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheColdWarTV Hope you dont confuse him with a fascist again

Mao to Khrushchev: How dare you stand where He stood?!

@gregorjerman973

3 жыл бұрын

Lenin: Starts Rolling in his Grave

@campkira

3 жыл бұрын

china, nk and russia just a split of their idea... a back up country... for theym to runaway to.. when shit hit the fan... nothing new there....

@adolfgaming1761

3 жыл бұрын

Communism is death

@junekcjy563

3 жыл бұрын

Stop... I think I’m about to ship something chaotically evil

@daddy8518

2 жыл бұрын

@@junekcjy563 same lol

When he said "like any bad break up, mutual friends were picking sides" I saw him tear up

"The effects of the split would last into the 1980's'" Me: Thinking about that one Chinese guy that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan in Black Ops 2.

@radjadawamindra697

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, I guess it's the only piece of popular media that actually shows Chinese involvement in Soviet-Afghan War.

The sino-soviet split is a very important moment in history that is often forgotten, it is THE starting point of series of events that lead china to become richer and more powerful today.

@moonshadow7057

3 жыл бұрын

The starting point is when Mao dies, not when Mao fighter Soviet

@Ironpancakemoose

3 жыл бұрын

After Mao died the CCP finally realised that communism wasnt working and began liberalising its economy, and opening to outside investment.

@ludwigsteiner1856

3 жыл бұрын

@@moonshadow7057 China started opening up diplomatically at the time of Mao (Nixon visit, replacing Taiwan at the UN..), and economically after he died.

@hoodrobin4397

3 жыл бұрын

No, the starting point is Mao's death and Deng getting the power.

@zge4081

2 жыл бұрын

That's a node, but it's not the starting point. You ignored the first five-year plan and the role of the Soviet Union's comprehensive basic industrial assistance. Until now, many industrial standards and terms in China still adopt Soviet style. Although it later withdrew its capital and asked China to repay the loan, it was also the starting point for China's industrial development.

You think you can make an episode about kim il sung

@supahotice3648

3 жыл бұрын

Like a documentary about him

@colinjohnston5734

3 жыл бұрын

I’d be interested in that

@kingzod8536

3 жыл бұрын

Big daddy kim

@kaijudude_

3 жыл бұрын

Oppa Kim il sung style

@TheEmoSyndicate

3 жыл бұрын

The Kim Dynasty would be cool

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your channel. I've read some criticism that I don't think is warranted, and I think you do an outstanding job of explaining some complicated subjects. Thank you for doing this.

When you get to it, don't forget that the Chinese sent military aid to the Mujahideen during the Soviet Afghan war. China has about a 50 mile border with Afghanistan. Russian expansion would have threatened Chinese territory. This is covered very briefly in the book "The Bear Went Over the Mountain."

@jangrosek4334

3 жыл бұрын

In the late 70s and early 80s, the USSR created several special units entirely composed of Muslims. Their unofficial name was Muslim battalions. One such battalion consisted of ethnic Uighurs under the command of Soviet officers of Kazakh, Uzbek, Tatar origin. This battalion was specially trained for a hypothetical conflict with China.

THANK YOU, DAVID!!! 😊 I was waiting for this episode. The Sino-Soviet split is one of my favorite things to learn about in history

It might be worth mentioning the Ussuri river border incident in 1969 which was an undeclared war with the two sides shooting at one another, during which a few hundred people were killed. This incident lasted about six months, and happened just a few months after the 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia (where I was born). The news of this war were greeted with much satisfaction by parts of the helpless Czechoslovak population who loved the idea of the Soviets getting beaten by the Chinese. Even before this incident, China was (naively) regarded by some as a potential savior from the Soviets. I recall numerous graffiti "China, help!" in the streets of my home town of Brno, overrun by Russian tanks in August 1968. It surely was a lot to process for an impressionable 14 years old boy that I was at that time...

I had heard that this split had happened. But didn't know of the finer details until this video was uploaded. It sounded like Russia and China were a miss-matched couple destined to break-up. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.

@davidw.2791

3 жыл бұрын

Let this be a warning to all who think a common faith or belief system is enough to unite them.

@eka1635

3 жыл бұрын

Looking for Sino-Russian military exercises

@schizoidboy

3 жыл бұрын

The reality was relations between the two countries were always historically hostile. Russia's expansion into Asia always put them at odds with China and in the distant past that sometimes led to shooting conflicts if not outright war. Communism only led to a brief lull in the hostilities before the splits became evident. I learned this in a Russian Asian history class, and I remember the same professor telling us he tried to get permission to do some research on the Ussuri river that edges along the borders (if I got the right river), and they told him he couldn't go out there because they just had a skirmish over a sandbar on the river that cost several thousand lives. Now that is pretty bad for two countries that weren't technically at war.

@brokenbridge6316

3 жыл бұрын

@@schizoidboy---Yeah that does sound pretty bad. Thanks for telling me.

@user-pf3kv4bv5s

3 жыл бұрын

@@schizoidboy However, the 1950 friendship treaty between the USSR and the PRC really had no analogues in the world. The USSR helped China in all aspects.

The split did many things but to name a few: -Russia became friends with India, who have a long history against China (friendship would last to this day, India uses both NATO and Russian technology) -China now found itself with two enemy nations at it border, Russia on top, and India to its left (Russia relations would bounce back and forth which persists to this day) -China's expansion often made itself enemies with the rest of the Southeastern Asian nations (again, something still present to this day) -US brought relations back to China, scaring Russia (lasts until the end of the Cold War, China's influence encroaches in US media to this day) -Former allies of China (Vietnam for example) became enemies when China no longer needed them

@elnorton7113

2 жыл бұрын

Look the history map of china and Russia

@omniyambot9876

2 жыл бұрын

how could you say that the split resulted to China's expansion? nice list tho

@berniekatzroy

2 жыл бұрын

Fastforward to current times

@shikharashish4839

2 жыл бұрын

China's influence has not just encroached US media but US think tanks, US academic circles, US SM companies etc.

@Bruh-og8rb

Жыл бұрын

What nonsense, China benefited greatly from the sino-soviet split. Without the split PRC and US wouldn’t have formed good relation in 1972. After Deng came to power he opened up the economy, and with good relationship with the US they managed to acquire lots of investments from the US and the Japanese, had there had not been any Sini soviet split there wouldn’t have been such investments in China from western nations. Secondly China managed to get all the disputed islands on the Ussuri river after the fall of USSR from Russia. Plus after the fall of USSR, the Chinese established good relationship with Russia. During the 1962 Indo-China war India didn’t get any military assistance from the USSR since the USSR was busy with their own ongoing conflict with the US due to the cuban missile crisis.

This definitely needs a part two!!!! The 1969 boarder conflict anyone?? As always, an Amazing video once again!!!!

@TheColdWarTV

3 жыл бұрын

We will cover those conflicts as separate episodes.

@abrarulhaq1450

Жыл бұрын

@@TheColdWarTV have you maked a video

Thank you for this video. It was a very interesting subject.

chinas 100 flowers campaign; "show us your dissent so we can register it for purging later!!!"

@Clos93

3 жыл бұрын

@wargent99 commie spotted!

@joeyjamison5772

3 жыл бұрын

In Khrushchev's memoirs, he said exactly that.

@thurin84

3 жыл бұрын

@wargent99 you misspelled "these right wingers were then slowly starved to death. many for the 1st and last times in their lives."

@thurin84

3 жыл бұрын

@wargent99 20 million corpses say otherwise. peddle your koolaid elsewhere wu mao.

@junyuanma4243

3 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. Througout Chinese history, allowing different opinions is considered a virtue of the ruling power. Mao wanted to play it too. Constructive advices really helps, but not all "different opinions". The original purpose was to collect better ideas, but it soon went to a movement of asking CPC to hand out power so that those "intellectuals" can get into office without heavy sacrifice or serious team construction.

So good content, thanks for the good work on making the video

I thoroughly enjoyed this video, you got a new sub

Mao: Nooooo you can’t seek peace with the western capitalist pigs! Also Mao: Hey America, wanna be allies? 🤫

@LOLBTLOLBT

2 жыл бұрын

lol it's exactly this kind of political elasticity that saved the world during dangerous times unlike the redialization in ideology today

@user-us4hl3zr2b

2 жыл бұрын

First of all China does not want to rely on usa gadget and then China wants to work with usa cause usa had success formed nato alliance which makes youtube and google so successful so China took part and learned with usa together but of course China will use VPN

@yourtrappedinmygenjutsu

2 жыл бұрын

@@LOLBTLOLBT yeah idk whats up with everyone just launching into extremes (especially the youth) you're either a Tankie or a n@Zi to others. It is very confusing

Oooooo new upload, let me just say I've only been a fan since a week ago but I'm already loving your content guys, and it's really informative! Keep it up!

@amiralcookie3221

3 жыл бұрын

Been a fan since the start and I still love it. Just a bit bored with all the revolutions cause it's quite similar

@TheColdWarTV

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

@_Cr1msonWxRLD_

3 жыл бұрын

YOLOOOOOO!!! your being being noticed

@_Cr1msonWxRLD_

3 жыл бұрын

and hello cold war

Kissinger: "I'm gonna do what's called a Pro Gamer move" Republic of China (Taiwan):

@cincin75ytb

3 жыл бұрын

Damn I’m out.

@yasinalkan7258

3 жыл бұрын

but that move helped US win the cold war more than anything else

@andraslibal

3 жыл бұрын

It is called the Shuttle Diplomacy card in TS.

@yasinalkan7258

3 жыл бұрын

@@andraslibal i rather call 'pingpong' diplomacy.

@ebonymaw8457

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get it.

China and USSR actually went to war with each other in 1969. its a small border conflict but it lasted for a few months.

@user-cx1ki8li4t

2 жыл бұрын

In 1971, China go back five permanent seats in the United Nations. The Soviet Union and his brothers voted for it, but the United States voted against it. In fact, after 1969, there was still cooperation between China and the Soviet Union. China has provided tens of millions of aid to Allende in Chile and built a dam for Afghanistan.

@theenclave6254

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-cx1ki8li4t China also was supplying the enemy of the Soviet Union during Afghanistan

@goodstuff6006

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-cx1ki8li4t coincidentally, all those countries currently dislike china. Yes, im including afghanistan and russia here.

@vstachen7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@goodstuff6006 Do you think the Chinese will like Russia? The Russians annexed a large amount of Chinese territory in the process of expanding to the east.

@goodstuff6006

2 жыл бұрын

@@vstachen7761 good. This is coming from a korean. Have a taste of your own medicine.

To think that their motto was "Workers of the world, unite!", yet they couldn't even do that.

@wahlex841

3 жыл бұрын

I guess that's because they were politicians. Nobody told them to unite.

@mbogucki1

3 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is the Soviets WERE uniting workers all around the world. Except every time those workers united, the CIA appeared with a coup followed by a pro-capitalist tinpot dictator. South America, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and Asia all have similar stories.

@mikeylejan8849

3 жыл бұрын

Lol having a communist dictator is far better then? Commie.

@jefferydunam2157

3 жыл бұрын

ok commie

@yomammasofat1000

3 жыл бұрын

mbogucki1 you realize communism requires a stateless society right? The true transition between socialism and communism is when the state hands the means of productions to the people, the proletariat. That never did, never had and never will happen, because people in power will never let go of that power unless forced by law or coup

Great video.

'Any support you're able to thr..' Classy ending, I wasn't interested in the end of that sentence anyway.

@TheWarrior816

2 жыл бұрын

hahahaha. I had to rewind to listen again, didn't understand what he had said. Watching his reaction shows it was a definite mistake, surprised they kept it in.

Port Arthur is actually modern day Lüshun.

@user-ks7xi4qd8o

3 жыл бұрын

旅顺口区

@fullmetalalchemist9126

3 жыл бұрын

O

@mojewjewjew4420

3 жыл бұрын

Make lushun Port Arthur again!

@aliwakanda7327

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. There’s a major difference between Dalian and Lvshun yet people tend to confuse the two

Excellent! "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." -Vladimir Lenin

a great video!

Great channel

Poor Mao, he just wanted a third world war and died before realizing his dream.

@Zen-rw2fz

3 жыл бұрын

the original posadist

@m4rs12

3 жыл бұрын

Wonder how many rolls he made in his grave seeing modern day china nowadays prospering under 'socialist capitalism' LOL

@skepticalmagos_101

3 жыл бұрын

@@m4rs12 enough to use his body as a dynamo to power chinese capitalism hopefully....

@user-rh2pv2kc5g

3 жыл бұрын

no...he don't ...if you do not want war...you need to show that you are not afraid of it....uk shows they do not want war with German..shows weakness and thus ...

@ludwigsteiner1856

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-rh2pv2kc5g he wanted THE SOVIETS to go to war with the US, he also believed that another world war is necessarily for communism to win against capitalism.

How the tables have turned.

@ethansmedley3386

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, let's hold off on that celebration....

@racelkatyusha403

3 жыл бұрын

wait till the USSR rise and china lost

Just learning about this stuff. Very crazy

I guess that comments somehow benefit creators. Thanks for the thoughtful video.

Good stuff. If I could make one simple element of constructive criticism, please make these much , much longer.

Back in a history class I was told there was an incident where Mao invited Stalin to China to have a public dinner with him. Stalin showed up late, holding a bottle of vodka and he was absolutely shitfaced. Stalin sat down with Mao but he didn't even touch any of the food offered for him nor did he speak a word to anyone, just took sips from his bottle. After he left the Chinese were outraged, except for Mao who admired him so much that he still acted like the meeting went well. Anyone know the authentity of this story, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere since?

@ZuluGamingSeries

Ай бұрын

Stalin just like me

I love the vault boy on your set.

I love the studio set ❤️❤️

Mao considered that he should be Stalin ideological successor, the new high priest of marxism. He didn't get it, and as good narcissist he was pissed off.

@historyeditz8326

2 жыл бұрын

Stalin is priest of Marxism really then he should have control of industries etc to workers and peasants.

China in 1969:* ambushes Soviet patrol and bayonets bleeding Soviet soldiers to ensure no witnesses survived (Damanski incident) also China 10 years later: OMG Vietnam is such an ungrateful brat! How can you try to fight me after EVERYTHING I'VE DONE FOR YOU!!!

I recommend that David could make an episode about culture revolution from 1966-1976. And the Zian Bao Island conflict between China and USSR.

@davidw.2791

3 жыл бұрын

The cultural revolution needs its own channel, not just one episode.

@hadirahman3036

3 жыл бұрын

Ee man they are doing all in an order... They are currently in 1956..

@husseinoskovjino9398

3 жыл бұрын

Hi chinese

@dkwlin4351

3 жыл бұрын

@@husseinoskovjino9398 No, I am not Chinese I come from Taiwan. I am Taiwanese!!!

@husseinoskovjino9398

3 жыл бұрын

@@dkwlin4351 Aren’t taiwanese national chinese?

You choked on the ending!

ideologies differ between cultures as much as the food on their tables

I have seen all videos of this Great Channel, this Channel is very Informative. I Love how David.S narrates each and every documentary so easily and I also Love his voice it's very soothing to my ears.I have few small requests.Can you please make video on Non-Aligned Movement. Can you please start a new series called "Cold War in IndoChina" in this Channel,covering all the Cold War events that happened in that region. I am from India, so can you please make a video on 1965 India-Pakistan War ( which also covers how Diplomatic Intervention by USA & USSR led to Tashkent Declaration ),1971 India-Pakistan War ( which also covers how East Pakistan became Bangladesh and also showing how US & it's Allies & USSR got involved in this War ).Can't wait for Cuban Missile Crisis Video & 1962 Sino-India War Video. Awaiting for a positive response😊 Love from India 🇮🇳❤️

@TheColdWarTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for kind words. Much appreciated. We will cover all those.

@abhimanyumohite6069

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheColdWarTV Thank You so much👍.I Love one more thing about this Channel & that is, you read each & every comment of your Subscribers and fulfill their Wish😊

Mao basically calling Khrushchev a pussy for not going to nuclear war with the U.S. over the cuban missile crisis is WILD. Khrushchev takes the logical approach of working out a peaceful negotiation with the U.S., and Mao calls him a pussy for not starting a global thermonuclear war. History is crazy.

@chadgaston8615

2 жыл бұрын

Logical? No Russian leader has ever been logical.

@ArizonaJewell

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadgaston8615 I mean, I’d say that solving the issue diplomatically instead of launching the nukes is a pretty rational decision. If either Kennedy or Khrushchev decided to hit the nuclear button, both the USA and the USSR would’ve been completely and utterly annihilated. There ARE a lot of russian leaders that have done some seriously stupid shit, though. Tsar Nicholas II decided that he would command the army in WW1 instead of sending an experienced general, and that was a disaster. On top of that, while he was out commanding the military, he left his German wife and Rasputin in charge of the country. During a major war against Germany, he left his GERMAN wife in charge, with none other than a horny magic wizard guy by her side. Definitely not a good look lol

3:12 very smart comparison of the ideological divide of these two powers!

Mao is no stupid. He never wanted a full-out war with another big power. He just tried to gain the most out of a conflict. The USSR clearly lost the 1962 Cuba missile crisis. That's why Mao derided Kuruschv for not using his leverages.

@mikicerise6250

3 жыл бұрын

If Krushchev hadn't come to an agreement in the Cuban missile crisis, it probably would have ended with the US invading and occupying Cuba and the Soviet Union basically acquiescing, because Cuba was just too remote for the USSR to effectively defend, and as much as Castro and Mao were fans of goading the USSR into World War III over their own issues, Krushchev was decidedly not on board with that plan.

@firasajoury7813

Жыл бұрын

@@mikicerise6250 will even you warmongering Americans realize how destructive ww3 would be

@mikicerise6250

Жыл бұрын

@@firasajoury7813 Shhh, quiet. It's still not agitprop o'clock.

@firasajoury7813

Жыл бұрын

@@mikicerise6250 huh?

This story deserves a deep sigh, the Mao guy's truly an adventurist.. the world would have been a different place by now if not for people like Trueman, Kennedy and Khrushchev

@kylevolbrecht9255

3 жыл бұрын

"Adventurist" is an odd adjective but sure. We'll say it was just 'adventurous" to kill a couple tens of millions of people or so.

@TheLocalLt

3 жыл бұрын

Kyle Volbrecht he meant adventurist as Mao’s extremely aggressive military posturing abroad and willingness to throw China into conflicts and pursue nukes and ultimately WWIII

@kylevolbrecht9255

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLocalLt Ah I see. I haven't heard the term adventurist before. I would think 'warmongering' summed up the attitude a bit better but there you go.

@kylevolbrecht9255

3 жыл бұрын

@KZread News no not really at all like that, but please feel free to necropost more communist cringe.

@firasajoury7813

Жыл бұрын

@@kylevolbrecht9255 said the American

I just want to say : Cool video :)

thank u:)

What about the clash in the Sino-Soviet border in 1969 between the two armies which almost ended in an open confrontation?

@rusoviettovarich9221

3 жыл бұрын

When it happened in 1969 the island was called 'Damansky' if you put that into google, now you get, courtesy of the PROC, 'Zhenbao'. Further proof of the inroads the red chinese have made into American companies i.e. 'Google' 'Bing' 'Yahoo'.

@davidw.2791

3 жыл бұрын

Rusoviet Tovarich It’s not “now you get” like it’s some goddamn Ministry Of Truth bullshit fooling only China while Russia actually occupies it. China and Russia sat down and negotiated about those Amur/Heilongjiang River borders. If anything, people say the Chinese government under Jiang Zemin are traitors because we’re never getting the pre-1856 Sino-Russian borders back thanks to those treaties.

@davidw.2791

3 жыл бұрын

1969 is way after the Sino-Soviet split and it was simply a hot war battle.

@rusoviettovarich9221

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidw.2791 no need to use curse word - I didn't realize the Russians ceded control of Damansky n 1991. As to 1969 being after the initial sino-soviet - my point was it lead to the Damansky imbroglio.

@davidw.2791

3 жыл бұрын

Rusoviet Tovarich Rusoviet Tovarich Not a rhetorical question: Are you someone who strives to never swear IRL and believe that curse words are an affront to the higher powers? If so I apologize. But now for some more constructive stuff: You know how mainland China looks like a rooster with his head to the east? For the longest time, if you look up maps printed in China, you’ll see that the “tip of the rooster’s nose” (the part where the Amur River and the Wusuli River come together; the easternmost point of China’s land) is a sharp tip, whereas in more recent maps it’s a bit blunted, that’s because there’s an island in the spot, and the final negotiations have China and Russia split it 50-50. That’s part of those border negotiations I talked about.

Request: how orthodox survived Soviet Russia

@aliwakanda7327

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz Russia was predominantly orthodox before 1917 anyway while the Chinese were mostly atheists

@richardmoskalyov8503

3 жыл бұрын

@@aliwakanda7327 China always has folk religions among the common peopl

Good video. Xie xie. I think at the end of WWII the Japanese in Manchuria surrendered to the Soviets (expecting to be treated better than if they surrendered to the Chinese). The Soviets then in an 'exchange' looted all the industrial machinery in Manchurian in 'exchange' for giving all the Japanese arms to the Peoples' Liberation Army -which helped them to win the civil war. The break between the Soviets and the Chinese in the early 1960s was a tremendous opportunity for the United States, NATO and the west- that they did nothing with until Kissinger and Nixon. (I have many criticisms about these two, but this was a very smart move.) Kissinger repeatedly called Allen Whiting at the University of Michigan for advice. (I knew one of his grad students who's meetings used to be interrupted by these calls.) Whiting was a leading American expert on Asia and the Chinese. Those trucks at the beginning.... I don't know all the details but apparently the Soviets copied Lend Lease Studebaker trucks from the U.S. and began manufacturing them. They then gave some of these to the Peoples' Republic of China, who then copied the Soviet copies. I saw hundreds of these trucks all over China, including brand new ones until the mid 2000s, when they updated the design. I think the Hundred Flowers movement embodies the continual mistake made by the Chinese Communist Party, and practical Communism in general. It's in the Chinese 'constitution' or current policy that Xi Jinping is infallible, just as Mao was. Pick the smartest leaders in history and the last thing any of them would claim would be infallibility. Deng Xiaoping's deputy, in conversations with Martin Lee and a Hong Kong delegation, sent the message that Hong Kong will have 50 years, and if China has not caught up, or if Hong Kong needed another 50 years - no problem. Clearly his intention was that the Peoples' Republic follow Hong Kong's lead, not the other way around. (Like when my in-laws had me do the driving, asked me for advice, but I was never 'in charge.' ) Xi Jinping's deep authoritarianism (Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong) will ultimately do what Chinese Communism has always done - screw things up. My argument would be if you looked at Hong Kong in 1976 and the PRC in 1976 which one is the model for China today? Hint: it's not Mao suits, collectives and ratty housing.

I've been expecting this one hehe

Soviet Union tried to become superpower through military dominance and Lost, China tried become a superpower through economic dominance and they won.

You should make an episode of Hoxhaist Albania (Communist Albania/Enver Hoxha). You did the Sovietization of Albanian and Yugoslavia but you should make videos on Tito’s Yugoslavia and Hoxha’s Albania since both nations diverged from the path of the Soviet Union.

@historyeditz8326

2 жыл бұрын

I think Hoxha believed that communism or socialism in different countries depend on the country's culture,conditions etc .

The reason of split is not mainly due to ideology. The most important reason was ussr's military intervention in Hungary and Poland. That alterred Chinese leadership that USSR was a imperialism country like Britain in 19th century.

@mikicerise6250

3 жыл бұрын

Sure, sure. China would never do something like this. Right, Korea? Right, Vietnam?

When everyone is entitled to everything, no one is responsible for anything.

A fascinating and informative explanation, somewhat marred by the background muzak. You don't need soundtrack when your content is this good - it's distracting and adds nothing!

"Everybody's favorite topic, ideology." May the day come when the world isn't driven nuts by ideologies.

@MF_DUNE

Жыл бұрын

those that think they're outside of ideology are the most ideological

Any chance you guys could so a video about all those collectibles you have in the background? I'd be interested to know what they all were and a little history

thank you for mentioning the Tibetan Uprising! but it started actually in 1956 in eastern and northern Tibet, the events of 1959 were the culmination of it

Mao Zedong was a decent military commander, not so much a peacetime ruler, especially so after 1960 when he grew old and started to lose his judgement. China during 1960 - 1978 was a disaster. It was fortunate (for the world that is) that his son went to fight the Korean war and died there. Otherwise we could very well have another bigger North Korea on our hands today. I am Chinese. Many other Chinese people share this sentiment.

@bazej1080

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, are people in China allowed to watch such videos freely or it's prohibited? I also think Mao's dynasty rule would by a disaster for China. But sooner or later they would be overthrown - China is simply far bigger than North Korea.

@scheimong

3 жыл бұрын

@@bazej1080 Technically KZread is blocked, but practically everyone and their dogs have VPNs so hey. Social control is honestly quite lax. The only freedom we don't have is political freedom - as long as you don't talk about politics you can pretty much say whatever you want. Coming back to this video though, you probably cannot upload this video to any Chinese video site. But that's not because the government monitors everything - they simply don't have the time; rather because video sites do not want to get themselves temporarily shut down, so they generally just outright ban anything remotely related to politics. So again, the reason this video won't survive on China's internet is more due to its political nature, rather than anything specific.

Ah, the common "It wasn't real socialism argument" going full throttle

Did you license that bad ass war music haha? Nice video though c:

Didn't Mao do the whole "hundred flowers" thing during the civil war, to smoke-out any opposition?. Also, I've heard that in the 1964 Toho film "Ghidrah the three-headed Monster" Ghidrah, who has always been depicted in the traditional Oriental style of dragon, was an allegory for China joining the atomic club in 64'.

@tomaszskowronski1406

3 жыл бұрын

Its like asking people to roast you and then shooting those who had a point. Pretty smart.

Communism made in Russia vs Communism made in China

@amiralcookie3221

3 жыл бұрын

Communism made in Germany

@amiralcookie3221

3 жыл бұрын

@Intellectual Ammunition true, but think that the actual communism in China will stand longer than any other communism

@nonamesplease6288

3 жыл бұрын

@@amiralcookie3221It seems China is now some kind of wierd socialist/capitalist hybrid where they maintain just enough of each system to keep the system working. Wherever the truth lies, it is still a brutal dictatorship.

@amiralcookie3221

3 жыл бұрын

@@nonamesplease6288 yes, now the communism is completely different that from the 20th century, just like dictatorship, look Russia is some kind of a dictatorship. Only north Korea is a true socialist state with a true dictator at it head.

@user-ks7xi4qd8o

3 жыл бұрын

@@amiralcookie3221 no DPRK seems as an dystany not an real communist country.

Can anyone imagine if Britain and the EEC had a major diplomatic rift with the USA whilst the Red Army was engaged in a war against it's Allies in Central Europe? Because that's essentially the Sino-Soviet rift, only replace it with the US in Indo-china

I think maybe it is better to make an epsode focused on the crises of Taiwan Strait 1954 and 1958, It will help audiences to understand the change of Sino-American relations and Russo-China relations. It is an very interesting story.

Wow, good vedio.

hopefully part 2 goes into the various attempts to stop the chinese nuclear programme. as i recall, in ~1965 the US wanted to stop it, and asked the USSR if it would be cool with the US bombing chinese nuclear facilities, which the USSR declined (though noting they were concerned). then a few years later, alongside some actual shooting on the USSR/China border, the USSR basically went to the US with the same request. And in a true reversal (with Nixon in charge and trying to normalize relationships with China, as well as being concerned about Vietnam), the US said they couldnt' endorse it. I might have swapped the order, its been a while since i read up on this.. but very interesting stuff!

In April 1956, two months after the ⅩⅩ Congress of the CPSU, Mao Zedong, in a conversation with a member of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, Comrade Mikoyan, and also in a conversation with the USSR Ambassador to the PRC, expressed his opinion on the question of Stalin. Mao Zedong emphasized that "Stalin has more merit than mistakes", that in relation to Stalin "a specific analysis is needed", "a comprehensive assessment is needed." On October 23, 1956, Mao Zedong, in a conversation with the USSR Ambassador to the PRC, pointed out that “Stalin should have been criticized, but we have a different opinion regarding the methods of criticism. There are a number of other issues on which we hold a different opinion. " On November 30, 1956, Comrade Mao Zedong, in a conversation with the USSR Ambassador to the PRC, again pointed out: "The main course and line during the leadership of Stalin were correct; one should not apply the same methods to your comrade as to the enemy." Liu Shaoqi, in conversations with the leaders of the CPSU in October 1956, Zhou Enlai on October 1, 1956, in a conversation with a delegation of the CPSU that arrived at the Ⅷ Congress of the CPC, and on January 18, 1957, in a conversation with the leaders of the CPSU, again and again expressed their opinion on the question of Stalin and criticized the mistakes of the leaders of the CPSU. Here are the main of these mistakes: with regard to Stalin, “a comprehensive analysis was completely absent”; the leaders of the CPSU "did not show self-criticism"; "Did not consult with the fraternal parties in advance."

Mao is more of a person that imagine things while his colleague Liu is more of a person understand the reality.

@chadgaston8615

2 жыл бұрын

Mao was a god in China. He was absolutely right saying after 1969 that Russia was the greatest enrmy of world peace.

Somehow, Stalin and Mao being friends both seems very improbable and makes sense as oxymoronic as that sounds lol. It's no wonder Mao didn't work well with a reformist like Khrushchev. Thank you for another very interesting video! God be with you out there friends! ✝️ :)

When u 4get ur friends, they become enemies 🥶

1962 marked the official split. They referring Soviet Union as revisionist. In Cultural Revolution it worsen a lot of diplomatic incident occurred. In 1969 marks a peak of the conflict between China and Soviet Union, during that time soviet mobilize a lot of its troop along the Sino-Soviet boarder, they had a war on the Damansky Island China attacked first. And Soviet Union want to nuke Chinese cities. And then the Chinese government learned how serious it is then on newspaper they said we don’t want to be the boss. However, the split between China and Soviet Union also marked the split of China& Vietnam relations started in the 1978. Because Soviet and Vietnam had treaty in 1970s. And from 1976-1979 the Chinese newspaper were still calling Soviet as revisionist. Not until 1982 China and Soviet had its contact and improvements on the diplomatic relations

An angle of the COLD WAR I'm too young to remember. Very interesting, glad you are covering it.👍

This was a video that I learnt about China and Soviet Union alliance...alot!

Kinda lends some light onto the current situation with China, Soviets, US, and Taiwan......interesting.

Have you made any videos discussing the topic of resistance against Soviet occupation and domination after WW2? (I .E “Forrest Brothers” in the Baltic’s.)

@TheColdWarTV

3 жыл бұрын

we did an episode on the Forest Brothers: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4Z4l5abh9ynlsY.html

When will the video about David drinking wine (announced in the video on France) be released?

Can you guys do an Alternate history of the Sino soviet split

1965-1966 Communist Cleanup in Indonesia perhaps?

@henryfromskalitz6772

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Based on what i read from wikipedia, the PKI who did the rebellion (indonesian communist party) is the third largest communist party in the world (behind ussr n china) they deserved some attention.

@izakireemsi2783

3 жыл бұрын

As Malaysian, I would like to know more bout Indonesia PKI stuff

@OmnistarEast

3 жыл бұрын

cleanup is a very soft word. more like genocide

Hey guys, love your channel. Could you cover on what was happening in Xinjiang/East Turkestan during the Cold War, please? The Sino-Soviet Split affected that region as well.

@sourabhgupta4853

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing is happening in Xinjiang. - Pakistan (leader of islamic nation's)

@haikaloronsentnel138

2 жыл бұрын

EAST TURK!STAN NEVER, EXIST!NG!!! PLEASE READ THE H!ST0RY W!TH PR0PERLY!!!

@yuanzhangzhu7404

11 ай бұрын

新疆伊犁有几万少数民族放弃中国国籍，带着牛羊财物去了苏联， 毛泽东主席命令放他们走， 后来新疆有很多耕地荒芜没有人耕作， 中共组建了新疆建设兵团在新疆发展农业

thanks, this is the first time i actually understood international politics

Do a video on Cold War numbers stations

I will confess that I was like many Americans skeptical that the split was REAL. But I was also skeptical that both the Berlin Wall and the USSR would fall in my lifetime. Sometimes it is good to be wrong!😉🇺🇸

If we can understand history through ideology, history is too simple and clear

Is the music around 12:00 from The Thin Red Line?

An episode on the World War Two Channel has gone Private before I could watch it. Is there a reason? Will we get to see it?

Fantastic video as always, I now get the impression that Mao and the CCP were potentially hoping for a war with the west (potentially nuclear) i'd love to know more about the motivations behind this sentiment, which seems slightly irrational.

@janchovanec8624

3 жыл бұрын

The motivation was that both USSR and the USA would be wiped out by WW3 and China would be relatively untouched in comparison to others, serving them the rest of the world on a silver plater.

@user-jn3zs8yz9z

Жыл бұрын

​@@janchovanec8624西方对中国的侮辱是中共诞生的原因，中国人比苏联人更恨西方人，因为中国是受害者

So to sum it up, one of the main reasons behind the conflict was that the USSR and China were at a different stage of Communism: the USSR was highly urbanised and industrialised, while China was still rural; the USSR has already got nukes, while China was still trying to build it; in the USSR destalinisation was in progress, while Mao was planning to be not only the sole leader of China, but of the whole communist world itself; etc.

Will you be doing an episode on the Greek Military Junta that ruled after their civil war?

Left eats left. Second rule after eating the current power base.

@davidw.2791

3 жыл бұрын

Stephen Jenkins It’s not unlike “Christianity unites Christians!” (Oops, Protestants sects infighting) “Islam united Muslims!” (Oops, Shiite & Sunni infighting”

@axelpatrickb.pingol3228

3 жыл бұрын

It's no different from just about any other ideology. Take US political parties: the Founding Fathers hate them but ended up forming anyway due to differences of opinion in certain aspects of republicanism and democracy...