The Phoenicians also had access to the huge Cedar trees in the mountains - which were used to build solid, sea-worthy ships that could travel across the Mediterranean and set up Trade Relations with numerous Civilizations and build Colonies.

@chrisnewbury3793

Жыл бұрын

Probably why the Frisians started the colony there originally.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

the Phoenicians still alive and the Egyptians too they just got another name and another place where they live

@carljacobson7156

Жыл бұрын

@@robertolang9684 Sure, the descendants of the ancient Phoenicians and ancient Egyptians are still around in Lebanon and Egypt - but those ancient Cultures have been replaced long ago.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

@@carljacobson7156 well well , i been tracing all ancient samples that share ancestry with me and the trail took me to Iran , Levant , Anatolia , Balkans , central Europe , so my ancestors were the Canaanites i share DNA with sidon , lebanon and israel bronze age, all living people today got a co mum seed no matter its haplogroup, mixing , that is the only thing that make us different

@jamesmcelroy5830

16 сағат бұрын

@@robertolang9684125th Street and Amsterdam Avenue.

Having taken an archaeology class on the region of Syria-Palestine a fact that stuck with me about this period was the fact that it appears that the Greeks completely forgot the route across the Mediterranean from Crete during this period. That fact basically positioned the Phoenicians in the center of trade as people only took the route hugging the land, and we're basically the only group trading long distance

@LuisAldamiz

2 жыл бұрын

Greece was devastated c. 1070 or 1060 BCE, at the same time that the Meswesh took over Lower Egypt approx. There was also another less severe devastation earlier which probably corresponds to the return of the Heraklids (alias "Dorian invasion"). But in the time of the famous Sea People's wave Greeks (Denesh) were the dominant force in that "horde" and that should be clear by the Hellenization of Cyprus (also the "Hebrew" tribe of Dan has been argued to be Greeks, while the Philistines were surely Pelasgoi: pre-Indoeuropean Greek remnants, with almost identical material culture to IE Greeks but different headgear style). It's unclear why Greece was so thoroughly devastated (Atlantis legend comes to mind, especially as Athens was the sole survivor, but other interpretations are possible I guess). In any case the once proud Greek cities laid devastated and would remain that way for several centuries (Dark Age), only slowly recovering at a time when the Phoencians were already rushing to replace them in the extremely profitable Iberian trade.

@chrisnewbury3793

Жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz You're definitely onto something. If you read "The Oera Linda" it will all become much clearer. It doesn't discuss The Tribe of Dan or Hebrews, but you've filled in those gaps in your post.

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisnewbury3793 - Dan were established just north of the Philistines (Peleset, Pelasgians), also by the coast, and in the OT it's implied that the Hebrew bloc accepted them as allies specifically for their value against the Philistines. There are probably other references to other Sea Peoples such as the Smithry of Nations, which has been associated to the Sherden (Nuragic Sardinians originally but established as mercenaries of Egypt since c. 2180 BCE), or the city of Dor, associated to the Tjeker or Teucrians/Trojans. Further north Cyprus was hellenized (with Achaean dialect and pottery not very distinct than that of Philistines or other Aegean peoples, Helladic-C type I believe) with the 1178 "sea peoples" invasion. Greece survived another century however and only fell for good into the Dark Age at the same time the New Kingdom of Egypt was ended by the Meswesh (Amazigh, Berbers).

The Phoenicians are always great to learn about

The Kharga Oasis... that jumped out at me as quite interesting. Gonna have to look into that after the video.

I am from Lebanon, this video is much appreciated!!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and glad you enjoyed this... more on the way, stay tuned and safe!

Great Video Cy! Love your selection of books behind you, recognize some old friends there :)

@littleredarmy3176

2 жыл бұрын

Love ur videos dude

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It's funny, I went to visit my parents for the summer and saw all of my old books in my room after so many years. I actually said out loud, "I've missed you guys!" as if they were friends that I hadn't seen in a while 😂. Those Time-Lime books were my favorites growing up and even though they're a bit dated, I've enjoyed going through them again. The illustrations are great and bring back good memories of when I was first getting into history as a kid.

@positiveqoutes9051

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy for how long have you been into history? I'm really inspired by you I want to start the journey too

@rajenderchhetri2051

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy I want you to contact and bring Pushpendra Kulshrestha in your KZread channel.

@rajenderchhetri2051

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy You should also hire Indologists.

The Phoenicians flourished once those around them collapsed. They inherited the wisdom of those collapsed civilizations. Some of their descendants flourish till the present day through banking.

I hope that lebanese people do not forget their phoenician heritage. Great video once again!

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, some of the Lebanese are self-haters. And on top, they simply don't understand where they come from. Thanks god, most of them understand the value of this heritage...

Great video as always! There's always not enough info about Phoenicians! Greetings!✌

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! More on Phoenician and related history to come, stay tuned!

@polbrempolbrem6639

2 жыл бұрын

😍😍😍😍

Great video! Never heard of the original pronunciation of Cart Haddage, thank you!!!!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, that's the original Canaanite/Phoenician name. More to come, stay tuned!

@Abilliph

2 жыл бұрын

Qart h'adasht. Qart = city, hadasht = new(female). Very similar to Hebrew, Qirya h'adasha

@Bulgarian021

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy SAME HERE, I never heard about how it must be pronounced. In Bulgarian it is " Kartagen" . . . By the way what languages do you speak apart from English ? I know you mentioned that you study Greek. What about other languages ?

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

@@Abilliph ... and Arabic, Qariya Hadisa

@Abilliph

2 жыл бұрын

@@mago9450 thx. I wondered how it would be in Arabic. Is it still the way to say new city in Arabic? Because in Hebrew the more common form became " 'ir H'adasha ". Qirya is still used but much less.

I can't wait for more. I am fascinated with the Phoenicians and was influenced to visit Carthage, Morocco , Malta and Sicily to see some of the sites of their ports. Your bookshelf has a book from The Prado, have you been?

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, went to the Prado a few years back - loved it but wish I had more time since I was only there for about four hours, which is not enough! Yeah, I want to do more on the Punic Mediterranean, not just Carthage. Hopefully in 2022! thanks again for stopping by, stay safe!

A great video again, thank you🙂!

Great video as always Cy, thanks again!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

Great channel. I love all your videos. Thank you!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, appreciate the kind words and glad you enjoy the videos! More on the way, stay tuned!

Great video as always Cy, thank you.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for stopping by and watching, appreciate it! More on the way, stay tuned!

Yes Cy! I've been waiting for this, and you delivered!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! More on the way, stay tuned!

Great stuff, Cy!🙌👏🙏

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, glad you liked it!

excellent video, thank you for all your work!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thank you for watching!

Just found this channel in my recommended and its awesome! Subscribed

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome, glad you're here! More on the ancient Mediterranean on the way, stay tuned and safe!

I'm so glad to see your channel grew so much, you really deserve it

@HistorywithCy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you've been enjoying these! It's been a great journey, no plans of stopping so more on the way...thanks for watching and all of your support, really appreciate it!

This is great! I love history and stuff

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad that you enjoyed this... more on the way, stay tuned and safe!

Very nice video bro. I appreciate your work.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! More on the way, stay tuned!

@kaushiksheshnagraj7176

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy very nice video it is so much awesome.

I was just watching your buddy from “History Time”, he suggested I come on over and subscribe to your wonderful channel…so I did! Looking forward to more history….YES!

Wow! Concise, yet tremendously broad in its scope. Everything presented in logical, seamless parts. The efforts of all of you combine to make it so interesting! So glad I'm subscribed to you guys!

luv this channel so much.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, appreciate the kind words...more on the way, stay tuned!

I very much like how you can listen, or you can watch also for visual illustrations. This channel is very much appreciated.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad the format works for you. I also often just listen to other KZread videos while working and when there's something really interesting, open the window to see the video. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it!

Still I dont understand why this channel has only 80+ k. U r doing excellent work!

Thanks Cy!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thank you!

Important note. There is a impact on genetics in Lebanon between the bronze age and early iron age burials, that manifests itself with the introduction of Anatolian_N / EEF admixture, making up 30% of the iron age population. It was not present or very scarce in the bronze age population, some suspect this admix came in with the sea people suggesting intermixing took place. That is the last major shift in Lebanese genetics as it is mostly unchanged from the iron age onwards. (I can cite the genetic study of interested)

@mikailibnsap

10 ай бұрын

Where could I read it?

Hello Cy!! Really enjoyed this one...well I enjoy all of them lol hope all is well with you!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks my friend, all's well, hope all is great on your end! Glad you liked this episode, even though it was a bit shorter. Working on some longer ones for next week, stay tuned and thanks again for all the support!

Thanks that was interesting

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thank YOU for stopping by, appreciate it!

Yay first! Double yay - a new Cy video 💕👍🏻😘

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you're excited and enjoy!

Fascinating subject the bronze age collapse is a pivotal event that we may never know the details thanks be safe!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is.... I'm hoping that more late bronze age sites are excavated in Turkey. There are still so many of them that need to be studied and from them, perhaps we'll learn much more. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More on the way, stay tuned!

Its become quite obvious that the Sea Peoples came from the Aegean and Greece area. That they invaded and combined their culture with the culture in the Levant. That a new language and way of writing was formed as well as a new way of writing. They were the causation of what we call the bronze age collapse. But it wasn't a collapse. It was a conquering and a new culture came of it. And in all that chaos no one recorded it except Egypt. There will never be a great discovery which shows this because of the chaos of that 100 year time span. But the before and after and the DNA reseatch is quite clear.

@goodwinter6017

2 жыл бұрын

philistines are the so called sea people, the were already settled in the promised land area long before the hebrews took over the place in an instant.

@goodwinter6017

2 жыл бұрын

@علي ياسر what joke ? which canaannites with isaac? not all cannaanites were wiped out!

Awesome!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Awesome!!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Yes! My Phoenician ancestors!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

*Mr Krabs face* "money!"

I would love a concise video of how the Bronze Age went down, but obviously much of that period is unknown.

Hi, man ! I was happy to see this one. Cool video BUT too short for me (Im not into 3 h. long videos but 8 min. is a little short) Im happy you show the map in there, I had no idea about all those territories the Phoenicians "touched " ! I see some people here kind of speculate and bring up the "Sea peoples " but I have to say : when one does not know for sure, it is best to just say "I dont know " and not create crazy theories. We shall never know some aspects about civilizations which existed so long ago. We like to think about them, we like to see videos about them, we read about them, we might wait for some new archeological data but we still cannot know everything. Socrates said it : " I know that I do not know anything " or how was it in English...? xD

Thank you

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thank YOU!

The Phoenicians also sailed around Africa long before prince Henry, as attested by Herodotus.

@StekliCujo

2 жыл бұрын

Prince Henry?

@contentstarved991

2 жыл бұрын

@@StekliCujo of Portugal, taught in history class that he was the first person to sail around Africa.

@StekliCujo

2 жыл бұрын

@@contentstarved991 Where is this history being taught? Because from what I`ve been reading, when he was 21 he participated in a successful capture of Ceuta along with his father and brothers. And that`s pretty much it when it comes to his life at sea.

@contentstarved991

2 жыл бұрын

@@StekliCujo The same place that taught that people in Columbus’s day believed the world to be flat. Where else?

If Phoenicians were trading around Mediterranean earlier in Bronze Age, maybe they were known to Sea Peoples. And since both Hittites and Egypt had empires in Canaan and Phoenicia, maybe the Sea Peoples tried to wrest Phoenicia from Hittite and Egyptian control; with Mycenae and other areas included as part of the power structure of the Bronze Age that "lorded" it over the Phoenicians.

@Cecil_Augus

6 ай бұрын

If the Sea Peoples weren't an organized civilization with central authority then they were tribes. How could migrating tribes have access to a) ships, b) intel about the empires they were set to invade? Probably the Phoenicians, as the utmost winners, provided both. You don't simply overrun Micanea, Egypt and Lydia without a considerable amount of intel and financial incentives, even if you have somehow access to hundreds of thousand of hordes - these people need food and weaponry. As international merchants the Phoenicians for sure had access to a whole lot of intel, and were very much interested in reorganizing the trade deals and setting up new colonies. The fact that Ugarit, their main rival, was destroyed is not a coincidence.

The Phoenecians.. The Bronze age version of the Bubba Gump Shrimp Co.

6:30 the horses had blinkers? Wow, they WERE advanced

Fascinating, makes me wonder how European history would have been influenced had the Romans lost the Punic wars

@micha2909

2 жыл бұрын

Medieval Europe wouldn't have used Latin but Punic, also Italy, France, Spain & Portugal would speak a Semitic-based language today. 😄

@IslenoGutierrez

2 жыл бұрын

I always see northern Europeans talking about Roman and Greek civilizations, but never see them talking about the indigenous civilizations of Northern Europe.

@td1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@IslenoGutierrez They do talk about their ancient history, but the north of Europe didn't have a means of recording a written history until Germanic runes (or Gaelic Ogham script if you consider the British isles Northern Europe) were developed which was after contact with the roman world IIRC, so less is known of their earlier history especially from their own perspective as our knowledge of it is much more dependent on archaeological finds.

@IslenoGutierrez

2 жыл бұрын

@@td1559 But it seems they hold Southern European ancient history in higher regard than their own, specifically that if the ancient Greeks and Romans. At least that’s just how it seems.

@td1559

2 жыл бұрын

@@IslenoGutierrez historically they may have done, not so much anymore, as I said, it's in part because the greeks and romans are the ones with written records, and they tended to look down on those they considered barbarians.

Could you do a video on their older but not so well known (in popular history) colony of Utica?

Hey you’re back! :)

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! Finally, I get to be in one place for a few weeks which is good for producing videos!

Cyyy! Hello glad to see your gold mine still pumping!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks my friend, hope that all is well on your end as well!

I love your videos. ❤️ I hope to visit the ruins of Carthage one day 🥰

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, me too...hopefully in 2022/23.

Happy 2 c u in person

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm having fun experimenting with the camera, will use it more in future! Thanks for stopping by, appreciate it!

Thank you for this video! If only we can find a Phoenician inscription or papyrus somewhere talking about this event!

Jokes on us, the Phoenicians were the Sea Peoples!

@LuisAldamiz

2 жыл бұрын

The Shekelesh might be related indeed. Other groups almost certainly not.

@patricioromano2965

2 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz The Phoenicians had maritime posts all over the Mediterranean at least since 1500 BC, and we don't know what their level of influence was. But, since they were the master traders of the times, their influence was probably huge, which is kind of confirmed when you see that today all the western hemisphere uses the Phoenician alphabet. Knowing how the Mycenean Greeks and the Hittites liked to impose their power around them, I don't think it could have been hard for the Phoenicians to convince the smaller populations of the region to get together and wage war against the bullies of the hood. The mediterranean was a HUGE COMMUNICATION CHANNEL from the British Isles to Phoenicia, and the Phoenicians controlled those waters. They were all related to each other. You are way wrong, bro. It was a globalized world.

@donaldseigel4101

2 жыл бұрын

No the Sea Peoples were the Philistines, as recorded in Ancient Egypt.

@patricioromano2965

2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldseigel4101 What? The Egyptians never recorded any "philistines" as Sea People.... Why people like to lie about this issue so much? Probably something political about it, regarding the conflict between Israel and Palestine, or something like that. SAD.

@donaldseigel4101

2 жыл бұрын

@@patricioromano2965 "Aftermath The victory at the Delta saved Egypt from the destruction that befell Hatti, Alasiya and other great Near Eastern powers. There is no documentation for any pursuit of the defeated Sea Peoples. Although defeated in the Delta, some of the Sea Peoples (specifically the Peleset) are believed to have settled in the Southern Levant some time after Ramesses' death."

thanks

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

love it

@HistorywithCy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! More on the way!

The story at Medinet Habu on the walls of the funerary complex of Ramesses III mentions not only the Battle of the Delta, but also the land battle which took place on the eastern side the the Nile delta. The Sea Peoples also had land forces which Ramesses pushed back to the southern Levant, an area called the Straights of Horus. Most scholars agree the Sea Peoples were comprised of mercenaries, which I would suspect some Phoenicians were hired as well. I would say of all the players during the Bronze Age collapse the Sea Peoples probably came out on top, and it makes sense that the Phoenicians would also prosper being in the ranks of the Sea Peoples forces.

Can you do a video on the colonies of phoenicia (Carthage, and maybe those of Iberia or Britain etc. )

I think you should make a video about the ancient city of Palmyra. It would be intetesting. 🤷

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I definitely want to do that, but it's a bit later on in the timeline... probably more when I get to Roman history and the east (although the city dates from much before that). Thanks for the suggestion and hope that all is well in Italy!

@hermescarraro3393

2 жыл бұрын

I am currently playing a character in D&D who is a descendants of the Palmyreans. When the city was christianised and the old temples were destroyed, the now pagan minority was forced to flee and find refuge in Arabia (wich was still mostly pagan at the time). They eventually settled in some mountains and stopped comunicating with the outside world for a few generations when Muhammad decided to convert the land. Things were fine for a long time, so they kinda stopped worring. And then the Turks found them, killed almost all the males, kidnapped the women to convert and marry them and took the kids to turn them into *slave soldiers* (Yes they really did that). My character managed to flee, and now he's a depressed drunk asshole who should be high priest, but is basically lost in a world were he does not belong. Fun stuff. And historical. ☝️

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermescarraro3393 😂😂😂 sounds like a fun game. I never got into D&D but a lot of my friend play it and I've been meaning to try it. Problem is, I'd probably get addicted to it like every other game I play and then I wouldn't be able to make these videos... choices, choices....

@hermescarraro3393

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy You play games? Really? What do you like to play? 💁

@happyslapsgiving5421

2 жыл бұрын

Famous for a great ally of the Romans... and a great enemy of the Romans. Definitely not a city that goes unnoticed.

Oh wow I finally know what you look like! Now I can put a face with the voice. :-). Thank you for sharing!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thank you, glad you liked it! I've been learning how to use my camera so hopefully more live shots in future. Thanks again, stay safe!

Pls do full history of ancient egypt

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

On the way!

Hi Cy, interesting video. Thank you. I just came here to say in some small ways Phoenicia is alive and well. I am a Lebanese-American (also half-Franco-German) who has spent some time in Tunisia, where I was astonished to find everyone looked like brothers and cousins of mine. They refused to believe I was not one of them until they saw that I had no clue how to speak their amusing blend of French and Arabic. (They also have a lot of western European blood as well as Berber, and Arab of course. Anyway, what's funny is that I would joke that I was Phoenician and that after 3,000 years I had come to check up on them. They would frown as if considering this, and then shake my hand, seriously accepting my little joke as the truth, and some even asked how I thought they were doing! Gotta love my ancient Phoenician cousins!

Cy, wish you'd make a longer version... this is way too short man! great content!

Loved this! I haven't looked enough into the Phoenicians is all this video was telling me haha 🤗 Great work!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! More on the way, stay tuned!

The Phoenicians are the result a colonization BY the Sea Peoples. It’s a good explanation for the advent of their Phoenetic language. They had to represent the sounds of the various languages across the Mediterranean. The Levantine people did not colonize Carthage and the western Mediterranean; it was the other way around.

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

That's not what the Greek legend of Cadmus tells us. According to the legend, the Phoenicians brought the alphabet to the Greeks.

The period after the bronze age collapse is very interesting, you should focus more on it

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I have several on post Bronze Age collapse topics... Neo-Hittite and Aramaean kingdoms, Neo-Assyrian and Babylonian empires etc. Check them out if interested. Thanks for stopping by, stay safe!

@bosertheropode5443

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy Something about the classical greek perspective on their past would be interesting imo. I mean we know they saw the myceneans as their ancient forefathers, but how much did they actually knew about them?

I remember in a previous video you mention the cities of Byblos, Sidon, Tyre were not destroyed with the Bronze age collapse. I'd say they're the ones who came up with iron age weapons, and then destroyed the Hittites, Greeks(Minoans and Myceneans). Don't know why they didn't bother with the Egyptians and Babylonians. They let them fall on their own. This left the vacuum for which the sea people's came in.

I absolutely live for your videos. Nobody around me is interested in history like I am, so I come to your videos like a shrine :):) Thank you Cy for your hard work!

I lived in Morocco and went to see The Phoenician ruins. Unreal!

👍👍👍

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I sometimes dream about a world where Carthage won the Punic Wars.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

How different history would have been... thanks for stopping by, appreciate it and stay safe!

@chrisyoung5363

2 жыл бұрын

We'd have had an invasion of the PUNS ?? :)

Odd and cool that they were so influential but were never a great military power.

Phoenician: Qart Hadasht, meaning New City = Arabic: Qaryat Hadath, meaning Village of Events Both words seem to be cognates

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, very true... makes sense as both are Semitic languages. Thanks for stopping by, appreciate it!

@DK19998

2 жыл бұрын

Hadath comes from hadeeth which means new or recent

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

@@DK19998 Hadath and Hadeeth come from the three-syllabic verb root HDTH (Hadatha) meaning in Arabic creating an event. However the link to Arabic is most certainly Qaryat Hadeetha (New City).

Weren't the ancient Mittani expanding at this time and establishing commercial trade hegemony?

What was, if there was any, the relationship between the Phoenicians and the Minoans?

@Argacyan

2 жыл бұрын

Presumably trade, without the creation of trading posts or sth on Crete afaik.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Argacyan in that there is evidence that the Minoans traded with the peoples of the Levant, which, directly or indirectly, included Canaanite cities such as Byblos, Sidon, Tyre, etc. However, by the time that the Phoenicians were a large commercial power (c. 900-600 BC) the Minoans as a civilization were gone. Hope this helps and any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask... thanks for stopping by and take care!

@hermescarraro3393

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy They probably shared some religious connections too. They both pracriced fertility-centric religions. Maybe. And I guess they both sacrificed babies, I guess... If we have to take that into consideration... There are some proofs that the Minoans practiced human sacrifice and seemed to eat babies in a ritualised fashion. So maybe there is some truth there...? I guess.

@LuisAldamiz

2 жыл бұрын

None in principle: Phoenicians were Canaanites, Western Semites like Hebrews or Arameans or, a bit more distantly, Arabs. Minoans were probably in the wider Pelasgo-Tyrsenian population (Asia Minor and parts of the Balcans, later also Italy). Genetics do not match either.

@ajithsidhu7183

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy please do one on indo aryan india and indo aryan invasions

Great video as always Cy. Could you please throw some light on Phoenician trading networks in the Indian Ocean? I’ve read of scholars mentioning it in an off hand way but haven’t really found a good source. Would really appreciate it if you could recommend a reading.

My question is: if the Phoenicians were able to pay off the Sea Peoples, why weren't any of the much larger empires nearby? It just doesn't quite hang together for me. There has to be something unique about their situation, somewhere, if they were the only ones to survive it so well. The first thing that comes to mind is that perhaps they were part of the Sea Peoples? Iirc,, though, individual tribes of the Peoples have been named in the historical record, we just don't recognize any of them, and we know the name of the Phoenicians, so their name should have been on that list. But there is a nice symmetry to the people that would go on to found one of the largest sea empires being part of the original Sea Peoples that demolished the foundations of that world. I don't know the geography of that part of the world at all - is there something about it that would make it harder for sea raiders to attack them? Maybe the Sea Peoples just skipped over them to easier targets? I'm just spitballing ideas here, and I'm not a historian, so I doubt I have any unique view on the situation, and these ideas have undoubtedly been thought of already by someone more qualified. :) Thanks for the video! It raised some questions in my mind, and I look forward to your others on the topic.

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

If I were a Sea People carrying a brain as part of such a huge multitude in this collapsing Armageddon, there would be one and only one salvation destination: vast opulent Egypt and the rich valley of the Nile. And with a compassionate, benevolent, easy-going Pharaoh, who know? Phoenicia is just a small coastal land, broken up by the occasional impassable promontories and wild rivers, backed on huge mountains filled with wild beasts. Plus all their cities (Tyre, Sidon, Beryt, Gebal etc.) are fortified and reinforced with pay-to-kill menacing Greek mercenaries. Already the hard-working Phoenicians are busy trading like crazy all over the know world to barely survive. What the hell would I go do in Phoenicia? Sail south baby, sail south...

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@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@fransvalkenburg1156

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

Maybe the reason that the phoenician cities survived is because the sea peoples were from those cities?

So, I was under the impression 'e' at the end of ancient egyptian names made an ɛ sound is that not correct?

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm, to be honest, I've heard both - one documentary I saw pronounced it like an "eh" sound and a professor I know pronounces as a silent e, so I'm not 100% sure. There's also the "-osis" in some older books as well (example, "Thutmosis"). Not sure what the scholarly consensus on the pronunciation is...

@katmannsson

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy Yeah I've heard it all three ways as well but I dont know exactly what it is beyond the subjective nature of experience but, Thutmose (pronounced with the eh) SOUNDS the most correct to me, but like I have no credentials beyond an obsessive appreciation of history and linguistics lol

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

@@katmannsson haha I'm in the same boat!

How connected were the city-states? Common language? Religion?

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Both. More or less the same religion, language, culture, similar economy, foreign interests, etc. There were some local differences (for example, one deity being worshiped more in one city vs another) but overall they were quite similar.

@chrisricketts8059

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy Thank you so much for replying! I had it in my head they were more heterogeneous

I thought there was a huge Venetian area in what used to be Carthage and is now Tunisia?

The reason stated for the Phoenician cities weathering off the sea people raids is very weak. One there is archaeological evidence that they were in a stressful situation. Gebal (byblos) was burned by a raid of the sea people. And the population of Tyre increased due to an influx of refugees. They had the advantage of closby high mountains that constituted a natural refuge or being in a island in the case of Tyre . Moreover yiu see the emergence of new gods like Melkart and Eshmoun during this period: one is a God of the sea, physical power and the underworld, the other is a God of healing. Both needed in times of strife...in addition the latest digs in Sidon shows a lot of worriors /princes tombs with their full battle gear. There is more research needed but the argument that they paid the ses people off or hired them does not stand: they were not the richest during the bronze age and they were not the most powerful either.. And no genetic mixture is shown to prove any intermarriage.. In my educated opinion : they had the advantage of the mountains that were relatively fertile and not easy to access and they gave the sea people some pain for their penny.

@khodotany

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Thanks for sharing your thoughts

You got me at "Bronze Age".

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

That's the most interesting time period for me!

@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy Same here, same. The Minoans, the Mycenaeans, the Sumerians and Hittites and Assyrians, I love them all.

THANKS, PHOENICIANS! =D

@HistorywithCy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

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A very good emission it s in english what a pity…i would prefer it was in french. thank you

“Before we get into that though,” -please don’t say let’s have a word from our sponsor, please don’t say let’s have a word from our sponsor.-“I think we should explore Phoenecia’s unique geography.” Oh thank goodness!

Tbh you didn't really answer the question from your title, apart from a rather short mention ("Oh we don't know, they probably just paid them off"). I still don't see what made Phoenicia survive when Ugarit didn't. Ugarit surely would have had enough money to pay the invaders off as well.

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

So what is your theory then?

@jonesjohnson6301

2 жыл бұрын

@@mago9450 I have no idea

@khodotany

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe because Ugarit back then was under direct Hittite rule.

Aiyo shoutout to grandkek69

Arf

They basically became a sea people and traded, werent affected by the disasters happening on land. That’s why the philistines were also successful.

The sailing Phoenicians seem to me to be originally from Greece & Anatolian coast (I read somewhere the DNA may have shown that). As time went by they mixed with Canaanites. If the Phoenicians were planning an expansion West, then it would be logical that they would plot to have Ugarit destroyed & other areas knocked back. If memory serves the people of Carthage were good at war. The Philistines/Palestinians would be from the same area. The Canaanites did not seem to be particularly sea adept. Where did they get the ability from? Didn't they sell wood to sailing peoples?

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

The first historian of antiquity was the great Herodotus. In ‘The Histories’ he states the origin of the Phoenicians may be from the Arabic/ Persian gulf where nautical skills existed. Furthermore, it is a well known fact the Greek city of Thebes was founded by Cadmus the Phoenician who brought the alphabet to the Greeks themselves. ‘Europe’ is the name of the Phoenician princess of Tyre, who according to Legend went to Crete on the back of a white bull who was the personification of Zeus. So we can see it is from East to West.

@tomsunhaus6475

2 жыл бұрын

@@mago9450 The interactions in the Levant were usually from the North or from Egypt. There was no Suez canal. The logical pattern was the Phoenicians settling the Mediterranean rim in a circle from Greece & Anatolian coast. The Minoans & the Myceneans were Mediterranean traders. People from Greece also tried settling the Black Sea coast. The Persian Gulf is far way. When people from Babylonia ended up in the Levant it often followed the fertile crescent & then South along the coast. When Persia conquered it was usually North to Anatolia & then South along the coast. Sea people in the Arabian Sea would most likely go down the African coast or East around India.

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomsunhaus6475 the Phoenicians mainly sailed from the Phoenician cities of Byblos, Sidon, Tyre (modern Lebanon) and then after from Carthage (modern Tunis). There is no sailing of Phoenicians from Greece. Read Herodotus…

*I’m in luck!!!!*

Last time I was this early, the phoenicians were surviving the bronze age collapse!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

😂 been a while! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it!

@NoName-fc3xe

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy Yeah, I need to comment more. I watch and thumbs up all your videos but hardly ever think to comment. Your stuff is great and I hope you get 10 million subs! Keep em coming!

Another great program! Thank you. I finally learned who sea people’s were . Some books just mention them as a reason for late bronze collapse.

What. No James Bissonette

Thanks Cy, Seems like Phoenicians are part of the history that historians want to cover up.

@Codiggity369

2 жыл бұрын

oh take off your tin hat. Maybe they want to gather sufficient evidence first...

2 Samuel chapter 5 and verse 11 Then Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David with cedar trees and carpenters and stonemasons; and they built a house for David. In Bible you could see the trade between Israelites and city of Tyre. The trade started from David and we could see it happening during time of Solomon

@mago9450

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. That's why Israel still owes Lebanon 20 villages in Galilee which were part of that trade! A deal is a deal.

Interesting stuff. I'd really like to hear more about the period of the Collapse, and the Sea Peoples!

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Great suggestion, I think I'll do a longer one sometime in early 2022... stay tuned and safe!

Interesting video. I think that the Phoenicians survived the Bronze Age collapse for a very simple reason: they were traders, they were a flexible people, and so they adapted to the new context better than the mighty empires of Egypt and Hatti. It was like the extinction of the dinosaurs: the great beasts died, while mice and insects survived. The Phoenicians had a great impact on Sardinia. They founded cities here, including Cagliari, and they traded and mixed with the natives. During the Punic wars Sardinians and Carthaginians fought together, and we still remember Hampsicora, a Phoenician landowner who led a Sardinian revolt against Rome. Even today the people of Southern Sardinia, the part of the island most touched by Carthaginian influence, tend to be more dark-skinned and black-haired than the Northerners, with a more Middle Eastern look. This is why sometimes they are jokingly called "Africans".

@patricioromano2965

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm... I mean, the context of the moment was that an army of sea invaders were burning all the civilizations of the time to the ground, there is not much you can do to "adapt" to it. Clearly the reason why the Phoenician survived is far more complex than that, I'm sure the Phoenicians and the sea people worked together. Otherwise, this doesn't make any sense.

@HistorywithCy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alessandro! Interesting, I'd love to learn more specifically about the Phoenician influence on Sardinia. I'm already enamored with the Nuraghe and want to visit Sardinia just to explore that!

@alessandrodelogu7931

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistorywithCy the plural is "nuraghes", or "nuraghi" in Italian. There are many of them, they're a normal part of the landscape. I don't know how many nuraghes I've seen during my car trips. They just appear everywhere. There are also many other interesting archeological sites here, like the sacred pits and the "giants' graves", plus all the Roman and Medieval buildings. We are very proud of our ancient history and culture.

@alessandrodelogu7931

2 жыл бұрын

@@patricioromano2965 this is possible, but remember that the Phoenicians were not a united people, but many city-states with different interests and policies. Probably every city adopted a different approach with the newcomers.

@orontesyria3883

2 жыл бұрын

Ampshichora seems, and I emphatize SEEMS to be a Berber/North African name, based on the name of a river in North Africa and that of an African woman in one of Plautus' comedies, or at least that's the arguments scholars present to support that theory, anyway it's not a Phoenician name. The sources which mention him that we have do not specify his ethnicity anyway.