How Did Pregnancy Corsets Work? (Ft Dr Sarah Bendall)

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  • @carrywon8767
    @carrywon876728 күн бұрын

    "Flexible", that's the word here that people tend to forget about corsets and stays, it'll adapt with you, it's not a cage.🌚

  • @judna1

    @judna1

    28 күн бұрын

    And another thing people tend do wrong as well is that they don't put anything underneath.

  • @maryeckel9682

    @maryeckel9682

    28 күн бұрын

    I think the word "Whalebone" confuses a lot of people.

  • @CaraOMara

    @CaraOMara

    27 күн бұрын

    You put a moon face here, and I have no idea what it means...

  • @ZimVader-0017

    @ZimVader-0017

    27 күн бұрын

    ​@judna1 Right? I saw a "fashion expert" on Twitter talking about how "dangerous" wearing a corset was, and posted a picture modeling one to show how it pinched her skin. 1) she wasn't wearing a shift underneath it, so it was right against her skin. 2) the corset was at least two sizes too small, of course it's going to be uncomfortable. An ill-fitting bra or shirt will be uncomfortable too.

  • @artchic528

    @artchic528

    27 күн бұрын

    Corsets/stays do often get a bad rep as people often think of they are stiff, hard, and constrictive to both movement and even breathing. Like they are made to be some sort of armor plated cage for the torso. However, they are the complete opposite and allow the wearer the freedom to be more active. Especially those with spinal issues like scoliosis and lumbar pain.

  • @second0banana
    @second0banana28 күн бұрын

    I really appreciate the balance here of "corsets are super fine and normal if they are well fitting" and "okay, but tight lacing was actually a thing and it did effect ribs and pelvis structures a bit." Fun fact- modern shoes effect the shape of our feet, but it's not the same as foot binding. There are degrees and different levels of discomfort people are willing to put up with for fashion and fitting in.

  • @r0bw00d

    @r0bw00d

    27 күн бұрын

    Mm hm. This happens with men's shoes, as well. Just ask any guy with rotated pinky toes why that's the case.

  • @lennydots3935

    @lennydots3935

    26 күн бұрын

    I was once in line at the grocery store behind a very elderly woman in sandals whose feet were perfectly shaped like ^, like she'd worn far too tight very pointy heels her whole life. Her toes came halfway down the side of her foot like they'd one by one been stopped as her feet gre longer until the whole front half was a very narrow triangle. I still think sometimes about what a painful childhood that must have been. But I've also only ever seen that once.

  • @seattlegrrlie

    @seattlegrrlie

    26 күн бұрын

    It is just like how today we have shape wear. Some women do pack themselves into extremely tight under garments then drape a skin tight dress and the majority of us don't A high society 14-15 yr old lady tight lacing herself to look skinnier than every other girl at the ball isn't necessarily what every single woman did during that era

  • @DavidCruickshank

    @DavidCruickshank

    26 күн бұрын

    I'm glad someone else brought up how modern shoes deferm our feet.

  • @lesliehubertus3207

    @lesliehubertus3207

    25 күн бұрын

    Modern bras put permanent indents around rib cages and on shoulders, too. 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @MegMarchSews61
    @MegMarchSews6128 күн бұрын

    Making myself a pregnancy corset for reenacting was 10/10 the best and most comfortable solution I could have opted for at 30 weeks pregnant.

  • @flurderburger

    @flurderburger

    28 күн бұрын

    Did you have a specific pattern you used? I am super interested in making a pair of pregnancy stays or a pregnancy corset for my next pregnancy!

  • @maggierobertson2962

    @maggierobertson2962

    28 күн бұрын

    I am so jealous. I would have loved that support with my pregnancy.

  • @skylarjohnson7779

    @skylarjohnson7779

    27 күн бұрын

    Oh that's a brilliant idea.

  • @merrylty7632

    @merrylty7632

    27 күн бұрын

    I' currently at the beginning of my pregnancy and I think I will try one!

  • @chloe--1374

    @chloe--1374

    23 күн бұрын

    I'm interested in the pattern too 🙋

  • @Starstruck_.
    @Starstruck_.28 күн бұрын

    I like how bernadette is starting to look more and more like missy from dr who 😭😭

  • @MossyMozart

    @MossyMozart

    28 күн бұрын

    @Starstruck_. - She surely does. The influence of living in Britain?

  • @incobalt

    @incobalt

    28 күн бұрын

    I'm pretty sure there's a video on this channel where Bernadette cosplays Missy to talk about historical dress in Doctor Who.

  • @SharpAssKnittingNeedles

    @SharpAssKnittingNeedles

    27 күн бұрын

    No she's str8 up Nellie Bly! Right out of the series of kids' books done on her by Joan Blos. My fave one was about Nellie's accidental monkey! Amazingly illustrated books by I think another woman and I feel terrible not remembering her name 🤔

  • @SharpAssKnittingNeedles

    @SharpAssKnittingNeedles

    27 күн бұрын

    Honestly the real Nellie would prolly never permit the curl that Bernadette wisely lets fly cuz she was a full on stuck up Victorian bicho, but Bernadette all cheerful and decked the fuck out is how I always imagined Nellie when I was a little boy and I loved that book as much as Dinotopia

  • @SharpAssKnittingNeedles

    @SharpAssKnittingNeedles

    27 күн бұрын

    Bernadette Banner is Ms. Frizzle, for reference, pretty sure we all agree on that! The gaysbros' woman of extraordinary precision and execution should be voted the only human rated to drive a magical bus! Dani, pack the piggies, cuz we're going for a fuggin ride 😂

  • @Chibihugs
    @Chibihugs28 күн бұрын

    Imagine that! Women (with or without child) in history had stays and corsets made to support their bodies. These pregnancy stays were lovely. I like the way the stomacher shapes changed. What a wonderful guest speaker! The outro is stunning.❤

  • @thesamwisegamegee

    @thesamwisegamegee

    28 күн бұрын

    Just want to second the amazing outro! I love it!

  • @frogie-berries

    @frogie-berries

    28 күн бұрын

    I want to third

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    28 күн бұрын

    I name her the Goldfish Stomacher.

  • @MossyMozart

    @MossyMozart

    28 күн бұрын

    @@RoxanneLaWinSTABBY - .^_^.

  • @TheButterflyChaos

    @TheButterflyChaos

    26 күн бұрын

    Agree to all. Found it fascinating with the extra back-support in the stays. It's so obvious in hindsight, but brilliant. Of course someone with a large pregnancy belly needs extra help for the back

  • @allisonmcgarry4272
    @allisonmcgarry427228 күн бұрын

    I have never heard anyone mention the second hand clothes market before in a historical video. So many of them talk about the clothes the richer people were wearing. I love that Bernadette talks about how everyday people would be making adjustments to their clothes in all her videos! I'd love to learn more about the second hand clothing markets of the past too

  • @365kattygurl

    @365kattygurl

    28 күн бұрын

    Me too!

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    Erm what? This is common knowledge.

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    28 күн бұрын

    @@365kattygurl And me!!

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    28 күн бұрын

    @@YaaLFH Ok so you’re patronising to everybody.

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    28 күн бұрын

    @@365kattygurl And me! I’ve wondered about it a lot, but just assumed most things were worn to death, or the fabric was unpicked a reworked. But of course there would be exceptions. Man. What I’d give to rummage around an 1860s 2nd hand shop.

  • @italiansdoitbetter5062
    @italiansdoitbetter506228 күн бұрын

    My mother wore a medical pregnancy corset in 1967 given to her by her high-risk OB/GYN in Switzerland when she was pregnant with me because mom was so tiny and I was big and I still have it. My mom kept it and I have it and I wore it with my pregnancies because I have scoliosis and it actually helped me.. you don’t tighten them so tight that you can’t breathe but it did strengthen how I carried my children it really work. I know they don’t give them out anymore I’m pretty sure but I kept my mom’s just because of a sentimental value but 1967 that’s not that long ago.

  • @MeriLizzie

    @MeriLizzie

    23 күн бұрын

    I had a hiatal hernia when I was pregnant with my youngest (early 2000’s) & the OB had me wear an under belly supporting corset. It was so comfortable I sent it along to a friend who also had a hiatal hernia & the same genetic connective tissue disorder called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, like I do. I have corsets I like to wear for cosplay or when the arthritis in my spine is bothering me.

  • @calvinpafford
    @calvinpafford28 күн бұрын

    I mean, it seems obviouse to me that pregnant women would need a supportive garment as much if not more than the average women. I think it only would seen strange if you have the pirates of the Caribbean view of corsets.

  • @InkanSpider

    @InkanSpider

    28 күн бұрын

    Even Pirates made sense in a historical sense and in universe. The whole plot takes place in the Caribbean (surprise surprise), and it took a long time for news and fashion to get that far. So when something is new in the Caribbean, it was already old news back in England and mainland Europe. None of the ladies in the first movie, including Elizabeth, knew how to use a corset because to them it was brand new but in England it was old news by now. And because it was brand new to them, they had no clue how to properly put them on or how to wear them. And that's their version on why Elizabeth fainted, because they had no idea what they were doing

  • @jaded_gerManic

    @jaded_gerManic

    28 күн бұрын

    The corset Elizabeth was given was most likely made custom for her but not fitted to her (if it was shipped). If there was a tailor/corset maker present then the person fitting it would have schooled the lady and her maid. Also, she had enough breath to last a formal ceremony but couldn't last a conversation in a sea wind. I personally consider her faint a plot convenience.

  • @clarisesilver1931

    @clarisesilver1931

    28 күн бұрын

    Great point there, and one that I haven't considered. May I also present my own in-universe explanation for the fainting spells: the heat. It's pretty debatable in the films whether the British population in Port Royal are bothered by it (see the naval uniforms). But as someone who lives in a subtropical climate, I can say with some confidence that an incorrectly worn (probably ill-fitting, considering Elizabeth is sixteen and her measurements would have taken a long time to get to London and the corset get made and get shipped back) corset is a stupendously bad idea in these climates, especially when you're going to be standing for a long time.

  • @lilenwasnothere6867

    @lilenwasnothere6867

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@jaded_gerManic girl wanted to be saved by a hot pirate. i respect that.

  • @AnniCarlsson

    @AnniCarlsson

    28 күн бұрын

    Woman today have belly support many times during pregnatcy but they get upset if it's called corset

  • @AlexaFaie
    @AlexaFaie28 күн бұрын

    Using the photo of the xray whilst discussing deformities hits way different after learning that those xrays were faked - the "patients" were not alive, there's evidence of stuffing in the cavities (possibly with sawdust) and several vertebrae and the pelvis are literally back to front or rotated in such a way that it would be a physical impossibility whilst alive. There is no information to be gained from them. Even the boning doesn't line up with the boning channels, its just placed wherever. The "binding" at the top extends past the edges of the corset when you'd expect it to follow the edges in a 3D manner. The list goes on. And that's before mentioning the studies on deformities actually featured primarily poor and malnourished individuals so whilst corsets likely played a part, the bones are not soft enough in healthy individuals to undergo that degree of deformity.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    This comment should be much, much higher. Thank you for the debunk.

  • @sparklelily145

    @sparklelily145

    28 күн бұрын

    16:41 for anyone looking!

  • @MossyMozart

    @MossyMozart

    28 күн бұрын

    @AlexaFaie - They did mention that the rib changes occurred in those who wore stays since childhood. Yes, children were dressed a tiny adults, even to the extent of sometimes being corseted. Clothing meant expressly for children did not come about until about the 19th ---> 20th Century cusp.

  • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

    @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

    23 күн бұрын

    w h a t

  • @mobstercrow7515

    @mobstercrow7515

    23 күн бұрын

    Ribs are also made for moving! When we inhale and exhale, they move. Organs shift too! When someone is pregnant, their organs shift around a bit, organs were made for moving, that's why they are all pretty much floating around in there. Our bodies are flexible for a reason, hence why we have floating ribs.

  • @MarciaStanfield
    @MarciaStanfield28 күн бұрын

    Maria Von Trapp had a special corset made for her first concert tour because she was pregnant and was amused that she was refered to in the papers as stout, not pregnant.

  • @merrylty7632

    @merrylty7632

    27 күн бұрын

    Well, she was very much trying to hide her pregnancy at first because she feared the tour would be cancelled if it was known, so her midwife gave her special corset made to conceal pregnancy.... and it worked!

  • @thehomeschoolinglibrarian

    @thehomeschoolinglibrarian

    26 күн бұрын

    I never thought of that though I knew her son was born in the US while they were on tour before they moved to the US permanently.

  • @haor2b1

    @haor2b1

    25 күн бұрын

    At seven months pregnant, corsetless, i still look fat/stout if it’s early in the day… as the day wears on i look more pregnant

  • @wartgin

    @wartgin

    20 күн бұрын

    ​@@merrylty7632 I was just going to respond that she specifically worked with her dressmaker to adjust her "top" as her abdomen expanded so that it looked balanced and like she was just getting stouter not like she was pregnant. It's been more than 40 years since I read her book but, if I recall correctly, she was also concealing the pregnancy from her husband initially as well. Don't remember if it was considered something standard to not let husbands know right away or if it was related to being afraid he would cancel the tour or afraid he would let the info slip and promoters would cancel.

  • @cynthiabrennemann3513
    @cynthiabrennemann351328 күн бұрын

    Also remember that women worked HARD and often held uncomfortable positions of leaning over to work...and those corsets and supports saved their backs. I wear corsets every day and it's all due to back support! Wearing bras just pulled my shoulders over into a permanent slump. Wearing a corset holds me upright. I WISH I had a maternity corset when I had babies. It would have helped my back pain so much!

  • @lenax9798

    @lenax9798

    19 күн бұрын

    May i ask where you get your corsets

  • @AlexDoty-qi5xf

    @AlexDoty-qi5xf

    11 күн бұрын

    Seconding the comment above, would love to hear where you get your corsets 😊

  • @cynthiabrennemann3513

    @cynthiabrennemann3513

    11 күн бұрын

    @@AlexDoty-qi5xf I started out (and recommend starting out) with the discount places like Corset Story or Corset Deal on line. While many of their corsets aren't terribly well made, they are a great place to start because they are inexpensive and you can figure out your fit and which styles of corsetry work for you, or don't work for you. THEN you can go splurge on other corsets, including bespoke if you have the funds for it to get exactly what you like. These days I mostly order from Lucy's corsetry...though I still hit corset deal from time to time...some of their stuff is surprisingly well made, though it's a gamble. Lucy's is a bit higher priced, but their corsets have been very good in quality and fit for me.

  • @LaurenHayley16

    @LaurenHayley16

    7 күн бұрын

    Same, I’m a chef and I wear a corset more often than not because the support is really helpful.

  • @SmittenKitten.
    @SmittenKitten.27 күн бұрын

    Will people in the future be dissecting pregnancy stretch pants in such a way? "These offer very little support, but they do seem to be easy to pull off when running to pee for the hundredth time. And the ice cream stains suggest they were worn 24 hours a day. Fascinating."

  • @arualziurodarrap8716

    @arualziurodarrap8716

    18 күн бұрын

    I cracked a good laugh out of this 😂😂😂

  • @SmittenKitten.

    @SmittenKitten.

    18 күн бұрын

    @@arualziurodarrap8716 Hahaha! :D

  • @katmar7870
    @katmar787028 күн бұрын

    This is such a coincidence! I am 25 weeks pregnant and just wondered about this. Female history is so underrepresented. Thanks Bernadette, love to learn from you!

  • @talosheeg

    @talosheeg

    28 күн бұрын

    Congrats and hope you have a safe pregnancy!

  • @mobstercrow7515

    @mobstercrow7515

    23 күн бұрын

    Start a savings account for your childs college as soon a possible! College is expensive, your baby will need all the help they can get.

  • @DharmaSimone
    @DharmaSimone27 күн бұрын

    my mother made a replica of the corset at 1:48 for a corsetry class at FIT in the late 90’s!! i almost choked on my lunch that image is seared into my brain. my mother even hand dyed all the silk to get that exact peach and we had to go on a wild hunt to find an ancient grommetting machine ran by a tiny lady sitting in a nyc window front. i think it had like 6 different types of boning in it my mom worked on that for months. i should see if she still has it. i have to send her this video!!❤

  • @annapruitt5546

    @annapruitt5546

    25 күн бұрын

    That is so cool!! She’s clearly crazy talented!

  • @Saraphina_Marie

    @Saraphina_Marie

    25 күн бұрын

    PLEASE see if she does and update us!

  • @maggierobertson2962
    @maggierobertson296228 күн бұрын

    The pain I felt from the rib spreading during my second pregnancy made me wish for corsetry. Lifting the bust and supporting the rib cage would have made a world of difference

  • @elisabethmontegna5412

    @elisabethmontegna5412

    25 күн бұрын

    Omg, right? I remember getting a little freaked out about it because nobody told me my ribs might hurt and my doctor was all, “yep, it sucks, nothing we can do about it.”

  • @jessicaromick1035

    @jessicaromick1035

    16 күн бұрын

    Yes!!!!! I have a genetic disorder called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome that, among other things, make me more prone to partial or full dislocations and I had a horrible time with ribs partially dislocating during pregnancy. The entire pregnancy was rough, but it was the rib pain that made me decide I could never do this again because it was just so bad. 😣 Even now I wish I had a corset to hold up my chest because that would be such a relief, physically.

  • @katherinec2759

    @katherinec2759

    4 күн бұрын

    @@jessicaromick1035 It's not too late to get measured and get a corset. If you think it would help, I'd say do it!

  • @katwitanruna
    @katwitanruna28 күн бұрын

    It makes sense to me that someone might have two different stomachers depending on body shape. I would. As I told someone back in 1979, if I can think of doing it, I’m pretty sure my ancestors were smart enough to do it as well.

  • @TranquilityChiba

    @TranquilityChiba

    27 күн бұрын

    And if not your ancestors maybe their friends! Folks like to help each other

  • @katwitanruna

    @katwitanruna

    27 күн бұрын

    @@TranquilityChiba and gossip! “However did you get X piece of clothing to do Y?” Oh yeah. That was a Thing.

  • @historical.isolde7918
    @historical.isolde791828 күн бұрын

    Anything that involves more Aussies on the internet being treated as Actual Knowledgeable Professionals that Know Things gets two thumbs up from me!

  • @nospoonfulofmayonnaiseforme

    @nospoonfulofmayonnaiseforme

    27 күн бұрын

    ikr

  • @HunterDriguez

    @HunterDriguez

    27 күн бұрын

    Try being from a developing country. Never seen a Honduran talk about fashion history, much less with any actual education on it.

  • @historical.isolde7918

    @historical.isolde7918

    27 күн бұрын

    @@HunterDriguez Fair. We might be treated as a place filled with strange accents an lots of animals that want to kill you by much of the internet, but we are still a Western developed nation, with a primarily white population. And on the internet? That counts for a lot.

  • @melusine826

    @melusine826

    27 күн бұрын

    So unused to hearing another Aussie I took me a minute to twig why I couldn't pick the access😅

  • @historical.isolde7918

    @historical.isolde7918

    27 күн бұрын

    @@melusine826 I know, right? And when it does happen, you need to take a moment to ask yourself it is actually an Aussie, or is it a Kiwi? But when watching Australian TV you pick the Random Kiwi straight away!

  • @scalylayde8751
    @scalylayde875127 күн бұрын

    The other thing about the slight deformation that they have measured on historical skeletons, is that a lot of these people were not only wearing corsets from a very young age where their bones were still growing, but ALSO that many of them likely suffered from various kind of malnutrition. If you're not getting proper nutrition, AND you're squeezing your bones as you grow, of course it will have an effect on your body.

  • @sonyakinsey4376

    @sonyakinsey4376

    27 күн бұрын

    Not only that that, there are numerous diseases that can affect bone growth. Children routinely wore stays, and in the 18th century even from infancy. There's too many factors to attribute deformity to just wearing stays and corsets. If you had poor posture or weak bones, from malnutrition and illness, it's likely stays or a corset would be seen as needed, like with scoliosis today.

  • @bridgetthewench

    @bridgetthewench

    25 күн бұрын

    Yes! I recall a video from Lucy's Corsetry discussing how medical conditions like rickets could make the bones deformed.

  • @scarletteprince3978

    @scarletteprince3978

    21 күн бұрын

    I think this is such an important point, especially since scientific literacy is very low and people tend to apply "corset bad, women silly" logic and latch on to things like this without understanding what it really means. These studies place high emphasis on malnutrition, disease, and the malleability of children's bones as being the cause of the effects of corsets or at the very least making it impossible to say with certainty that corsets alone can cause these changes. In other words, when you combine weak bones with a bit of pressure, you get slight changes to the bones. So glad for people like Bernadette and Dr. Bendall who work hard to dispel myths and sensationalism and fight the misogyny that is at the root of a lot of these conversations.

  • @SnowieShiba

    @SnowieShiba

    20 күн бұрын

    Deformation of children's bones always reminds me of how (idr what culture it was) used straight boards and wraps to deform their babies skulls so that they would grow to be seen as more beautiful. So I can see the direct correlation from corsets to malformed ribs from childhood wear. We even see malformation of children's skeletons today with shoes, starting as early as infancy, in general you want soft sole shoes with wide toe room for proper foot growth, but many people will put their child into hard flat bottom narrow toed shoes because of fashion.

  • @scalylayde8751

    @scalylayde8751

    17 күн бұрын

    @@SnowieShiba yep! And it’s also important to note that not all deformations are harmful, which I think is an implicit assumption a lot of people make. The indigenous culture who elongate their skulls do not experience ill effects from it (or at least, it wasn’t even brought up, when I learned about them in college.) When you have seen skeletons and you can see how much variation there is from person to person, you realize that bones have more variety than you would think. Skeletons don’t have to be carbon copies of each other to support an otherwise healthy person.

  • @harmonybat
    @harmonybat27 күн бұрын

    The blink sounds during the "women are responsible for deforming their children" moment were *chef's kiss*.

  • @etheleiknem

    @etheleiknem

    26 күн бұрын

    14:45 adding this for whoever would like to rewatch it one or ten times.

  • @asuko-san7440
    @asuko-san744028 күн бұрын

    14:23 Translation : "For pregnant women, it's absurd that some families consider it shameful to fulfill the first wish of nature and to carry out the function that makes us most similar to the Creator. So why strive to conceal this from the public by tightening and compressing the abdomen with the use of skirt belts and whalebone corsets? These practices strangle the intestines, obstruct and delay the passage of fecal matter, which hardens due to the reabsorption of its finest and most delicate parts. The first consequence of this is constipation, always dangerous due to the efforts required to defecate, which often exert pressure on the uterus and lead to miscarriages. Furthermore, these particles, once passed into the bloodstream, corrupt it and cause infections."

  • @racoonnoises5054

    @racoonnoises5054

    28 күн бұрын

    Old medicine is so ridiculous sometimes you just gotta laugh lmao

  • @jennlucky

    @jennlucky

    28 күн бұрын

    So it's taking it as obvious that the reason you would wear a corset is to HIDE a pregnancy... because people see pregnancy in general as shameful? AND that this is a practice not chosen by the women themselves but by their families. Thanks for the translation

  • @Sienna6164

    @Sienna6164

    28 күн бұрын

    Also, organs tend to get displeased during pregnancy as the baby grows. So suffice to say, these doctors were huffing paint.

  • @anneelisehudson8020

    @anneelisehudson8020

    28 күн бұрын

    Pregnancy stays must have been super common for married women…since without birth control or abstinence a woman spent more time pregnant than not!! One thing I don’t understand is exactly how breast support on these earlier stays worked…can you explain in greater detail? They look flattening rather than supporting (and I speak as a very small busted woman).

  • @vadimkorostiev-rykov8986

    @vadimkorostiev-rykov8986

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@jennlucky you just completely excluded age of concent, contraception, ongoing marriage traditions and 90+% of the population not being wealthy enough to really afford being properly treated etc, just fyi. And most if not all doctors would get theor medical practice "on the field" quite literally.

  • @gisela_oliveira
    @gisela_oliveira28 күн бұрын

    I think we can also assume that working class women would not only wear their corsets for multiple pregnancys, but give them away for a friend or family relative, most of them wouldn't survive the time with so much use, like how people nowday give away their maternity clothes. And, maybe, some women would just make themselves some regency era stays to be more comfortable

  • @JustSaralius
    @JustSaralius28 күн бұрын

    Also, you know, hernias must have been way more of a common problem, especially pregnancy-related ones, and corsetry was definitely used (as it is now) to manage and treat abdominal hernias. You'll find ads for specific hernia belts and corsets in old magazines, so there must have been a reasonable demand for them.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    27 күн бұрын

    Most common causes of hernia are: muscle weakness, repetitive strain (lifting or carrying heavy items, standing for many hours, etc.), chronic constipation or cough, pregnancy (!). This used to be the life of an average woman - multiple pregnancies, housework done by hand (including laundry and gathering/preparing food), carrying a lot, working back-breaking jobs... We do a lot less of that now, so it's quite logical that the number of hernia cases would decrease.

  • @clarasayk525

    @clarasayk525

    25 күн бұрын

    @@YaaLFH But an active person today could have better core / general muscle strength because they usually don't rely on a corset to do the work for them. So maybe the corsets both helped with and contributed to hernias.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    25 күн бұрын

    @@clarasayk525 The average person today is healthier and better fed.

  • @cassandrabreit5029

    @cassandrabreit5029

    14 күн бұрын

    I got a hernia during my first pregnancy and I'm inclined to say the weak core caused by my scoliosis spinal fusion as a teenager was a major contributor 😢

  • @patriciahamel5674
    @patriciahamel567427 күн бұрын

    My ribs and pelvis have been deformed since birth. As a result, I ended up with an hourglass figure after puberty and my bones probably look like those seen in the 19th century bodies. So we can’t discount the possibility that some of those weren’t just from congenital deformities, and not deformities caused by corsets.

  • @juliabuonincontro8617

    @juliabuonincontro8617

    13 күн бұрын

    Very true

  • @crazyscarlettdiamond
    @crazyscarlettdiamond28 күн бұрын

    If youtube was rated on quality your videos would be in the top tier.

  • @allisonyaguchi7177
    @allisonyaguchi717728 күн бұрын

    I think the difference in corset chest coverage in the modern age has a lot to do with corsets being worn as outerwear. Fascinating topic in this vid! Thank you for sharing :)

  • @sophiejones3554

    @sophiejones3554

    28 күн бұрын

    Yep, people nowadays are wearing them as outer garments or as their only top garment: so they don't want to worry about nip slips. Back in the day of course, people generally only worried about that when they tightlaced.

  • @greatestboop6758
    @greatestboop675828 күн бұрын

    I want to add that in regards to breastfeeding, for high society most woman used wet-nurses and didn't breastfeed their children themselves if they could afford it. It was seen as "unfashionable" and "peasant work" to feed your own children. I can't remember exactly and I couldn't find it but there was a queen (I think queen Victoria) who breastfed her children so ladies started doing it too since the queen was.

  • @OdinsSage

    @OdinsSage

    27 күн бұрын

    Yeah, breast feeding went in and out of fashion, particularly with upperclass people. My great grandmother was a wetnurse for just that reason, it was unfashionable to breastfeed your own children in that era.

  • @ZeldaPine

    @ZeldaPine

    27 күн бұрын

    I doubt it was Queen Victoria, she thought breastfeeding was disgusting She also hated pregnancy, and though newborns were ugly, which is still wild to me since she had so many kids, and you do gotta start at the same place every time

  • @J_Gamble

    @J_Gamble

    27 күн бұрын

    Queen Elizabeth II was breastfed and breastfed her babies.

  • @raraavis7782

    @raraavis7782

    27 күн бұрын

    Definitely not Queen Victoria. The late Elizabeth II did breastfeed all 4 of her children, though. I seem to remember a story about someone specific making it popular, too, though.

  • @ADreamingPoet

    @ADreamingPoet

    27 күн бұрын

    @@ZeldaPine Given how disappointed Victoria was about being recommened to stop having Sex, to avoid Pregnancy-related Health Risks, I doubt that she had all these Children for the sake of it, instead of them just being a Sideeffect of Things ;D

  • @Blue_Caribou
    @Blue_Caribou28 күн бұрын

    Ok, interview was fantastic, but can we talk about the *end credits* for a moment... just... ARTISTRY.

  • @Saraphina_Marie

    @Saraphina_Marie

    25 күн бұрын

    Cheeeeeeeers to Danny for this!!!!!!!! 🙌👏🙌👏🎉🎉🎉

  • @emilyvolkamer304
    @emilyvolkamer30428 күн бұрын

    This reminds me of how jeans are altered for pregnancy. When I was pregnant, I hated how encumbered I felt. Constant doctors' appointments and weird symptoms (and smells! Whee!) Wearing jeans, a type of clothing I have worn for most of my life, made me feel more human. I imagine women who wore stays and corsets may have felt the same way about those items.

  • @gigidodson
    @gigidodson28 күн бұрын

    Holding up a pregnant belly is such a relief! How ingenious these women were!

  • @Saraphina_Marie

    @Saraphina_Marie

    25 күн бұрын

    I absolutely had one of those belly belts and it was a lifesaver!!!

  • @sierraroseprzybyla3333
    @sierraroseprzybyla333327 күн бұрын

    …just a note on a small comment made: modern bras should not be supported by “hanging from your shoulders” -that will cause SO much pain! Just like corsets, fit from a modern bra should be almost all coming from the band (the part that goes around you) …which is why good fit is so important!! I hope that helps anyone who is wearing their *modern* bras… 😊

  • @jzahn9647

    @jzahn9647

    26 күн бұрын

    What about those of us who have both the band and the straps digging in? My other alternative is to have my breasts slip under the band through normal use. Just big chested, I guess. I would try an old fashioned pair of stays, but doubt I could find a proper pair in my price range.

  • @lesliehubertus3207

    @lesliehubertus3207

    25 күн бұрын

    I find stays far, far more comfortable than modern bras. To get the support I need with those, I have permanent indents around my ribcage and on my shoulders.

  • @jzahn9647

    @jzahn9647

    25 күн бұрын

    @@lesliehubertus3207 yes, exactly! Where does one find stays?

  • @lesliehubertus3207

    @lesliehubertus3207

    25 күн бұрын

    @@jzahn9647 I can't afford to buy custom stays, so I found out how to draft and make mine from patterns of Fashion 5 and KZread. :/

  • @sfowler1017

    @sfowler1017

    23 күн бұрын

    ​@@jzahn9647Modern bras are MUCH too stretchy! Your band could support more (I speak for myself too) if it didn't just stretch and stretch. But who makes actually supportive bras? No one. ::sigh::

  • @shoshimp1309
    @shoshimp130928 күн бұрын

    As someone who just gave birth to her 3rd baby 4 days ago.... thank you for this!! I've been waiting for you to finally cover this topic!

  • @talosheeg

    @talosheeg

    28 күн бұрын

    congrats!!!

  • @yvonnevanwaegeningh-tiggel4577

    @yvonnevanwaegeningh-tiggel4577

    28 күн бұрын

    Congratulations! Lots of love to you and the little one 💜

  • @peggedyourdad9560

    @peggedyourdad9560

    28 күн бұрын

    Congratulations, I hope everything keeps going well!

  • @agentcallisto

    @agentcallisto

    27 күн бұрын

    Congratulations!! My second son is nearly three months now; babies are just sublime.

  • @meganrogers3571

    @meganrogers3571

    18 күн бұрын

    Congratulations! My #3 just turned four months. Hope you both are doing well ♥️

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY
    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY28 күн бұрын

    On my journey of corset (and stays/bodies etc) mythbusting is that modern people don’t understand how flexible and soft they really were. The term ‘whalebone’ for baleen has done a plethora of damage to peoples ideas of these garments, because you hear ‘bone’, you think straight and solid and inflexible. When I tell folk that the modern alternative we use are zip ties, then they get a better idea of what they were actually like. (See also: crinolines. Steel isn’t always as stiff as a bra underwire, friend. Gimme some natural fibre undergrundies over this 38GG torture device any day.) Mind you: most of my mythbusting goes like: “who wrote your ‘source’? Oh? A man??? Ok no that’s just more good old fashioned misogyny”

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    A well designed and well fitting bra is not a torture device. The underwires should not be super stiff, they're supposed to sit in the crease surrounding your breast and move with your body.

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    28 күн бұрын

    @@YaaLFH I know this, I’ve been wearing one for 35 years, I just really really really dislike them. It wasn’t so bad when I was young and only a C cup, and didn’t have chronic pain disorder that turns every sensation into a pain signal, and wasn’t perimenopausal, and adverse to any synthetic fibre on the planet. But now I do, and I hate them+ and that’s when I can get one in a 38GG, that isn’t just a c-cup pattern sized-up, for less than £75. Different bodies are different.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    @@RoxanneLaWinSTABBY Where do you shop that 38GG bras are more than £75? I never in my life paid that much for a bra and I usually wear around 32J. Even my luxury silk and French lace Masquerades and Rigby&Pellers were less than £50. The most expensive bra in your size is £54 in Bravissimo and £52 in Brastop. Most are under £40 with quite a selection available under £25! And those are proper bras designed for larger sizes.

  • @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    @RoxanneLaWinSTABBY

    28 күн бұрын

    @@YaaLFH I’ve never had a good fit from any of those guys. The Rigby & Peller I bought in store when I was last fitted by them in 2011 was £70, and that was one of the cheapest ones at the time. Last time I looked at Bravissimo, they were £65+ in my size. The bands always try moving up and/or straps are too short/in the wrong position. I’m 5’11” too, with a long torso, and even though we’re only dealing with the upper 1/3, they just never seem long enough. They ride up, and/or the cups are too close together. You sound like you’ve been really lucky because I don’t know another person above a D cup have any luck with off the rack bras, but that’s not everybody’s experience. And that’s before we even get to the synthetic fibres. Hate hate hate them. All bras are my enemy. Congrats to you though. You got lucky, I’ll stick with my linen stays, when it’s not a crop-top or sports bra day. I’ve been in this game to know what works for me, my disability and my income.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    27 күн бұрын

    @@RoxanneLaWinSTABBY LOL in 2011 you could buy Freya/Fantasie/Panache in Debenhams under £30 and they had the GG+ range in stock. I don't know when you allegedly checked Bravissimo but they never sold regular bras that were £65+ in the GG+ range. Sports bras or swimsuits yes, but not regular bras. If the bands were moving up, you were wearing the wrong size. Claiming that the straps were always too short just confirms it - you were wearing too small cups and loosening straps to the full gave you the illusion of a good fit. A well fitted bra does not ride up. Yes, some models have the cups close together but there is a lot of models with wider front. I'm not lucky, I just wear bras that actually fit - just like dozens of my friends and Internet acquaintances in all sizes, their heights ranging from petite to basketball players. I'm not short either, BTW. Also, synthetic fibres are not the enemy, no matter how much you love linen.

  • @TransitioningBeauty
    @TransitioningBeauty28 күн бұрын

    This video is making me want to design my own pair of stays to fit today's clothing (rounded, individual busts & low back) explained like this it actually seems smarter to have a really good corset than it is to have 5+ bras that I have to rebuy every 2 years.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    Start with getting properly fitted and buy 2 bras that actually fit you, they will support you better and last longer. A lot of damage to bras (like underwire poking out) is caused by them not fitting well. Some brands to try: Panache, Freya, Fantasie, Curvy Kate, Bravissimo, Ewa Michalak, Gorsenia, Comexim, Kris Line, Gaia, Dalia, Ava

  • @agentcallisto

    @agentcallisto

    27 күн бұрын

    Or you could get into bra-making, which once you get the hang of it, is significantly faster than making a whole corset. I’ve made a few bras for myself and they’re fabulously comfortable. Look up LizSews here on KZread for a good start. :)

  • @EmL-kg5gn

    @EmL-kg5gn

    27 күн бұрын

    Yes that’s what I’d love to try too!!! I don’t have anywhere near the sewing abilities to attempt it but I often think about it. I was a 32G for quite some time and even a well fitting bra (which I only had one of due to cost and difficulty even finding them) was miserable. There’s only so much weight that a band and some shoulder straps can comfortably support!

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    27 күн бұрын

    @@EmL-kg5gn A well designed bra can easily support much more than 32G breasts. I have a strapless bra that comfortably supports 32J breasts without any straps.

  • @EmL-kg5gn

    @EmL-kg5gn

    25 күн бұрын

    @@YaaLFH Well I’m glad you found one! But the rest of us are obviously struggling. I tried a lot of different ones, including from brands you’ve recommended and they were still awful for me. I suspect that factors other than just size come into play, the kind of structure and materials that’s often needed in bras for bigger chests is really uncomfortable for a lot of people.

  • @LynnHermione
    @LynnHermione28 күн бұрын

    Can you write to John Green because he was spreading corset misinformation on his tuberculosis video

  • @nancyreid8729

    @nancyreid8729

    28 күн бұрын

    I noticed that too.

  • @alicyamatheson7877

    @alicyamatheson7877

    28 күн бұрын

    I thought that at first but then wondered how wide spread the making yourself look sickly really was. It's possible it's the same class of women who would tight lace in order to assist with the look

  • @watson483

    @watson483

    28 күн бұрын

    Yeah I was like wtf you usually have decent info, shows how biased the source he was using was.

  • @lanasmith4795

    @lanasmith4795

    28 күн бұрын

    John Green loves doing that you only noticed this time because it was a subject you are familiar with

  • @sheleavitt06

    @sheleavitt06

    28 күн бұрын

    I did comment on that tuberculosis video asking dress historians like Bernadette and Abby Cox to please call him out for it. I know he is all about “everything is because of tuberculosis” but dude some things are not because of tuberculosis and what you think is happening is not what is really happening…just chill and listen to some ladies for a moment ok.

  • @senecanero3874
    @senecanero387428 күн бұрын

    Corsets seem very similar to modern weightlifting belts in function.

  • @arianewinter4266

    @arianewinter4266

    28 күн бұрын

    They are

  • @paigemarcum5586

    @paigemarcum5586

    28 күн бұрын

    This concept weirdly makes me want a proper corset more lol. Once I get a few simpler sewing projects under my belt...

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    You got it backwards.

  • @Lutefisk445

    @Lutefisk445

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@YaaLFH Backwards ad in modern weightlifting belts inspired corsets and not the other way around?

  • @margodphd

    @margodphd

    27 күн бұрын

    ​@@Lutefisk445backwards as in modern weightlifting belts are similar to corsets in function and not the other way around as one precedes the other

  • @user-gs3fm2rh3j
    @user-gs3fm2rh3j28 күн бұрын

    One thing I have learned about anatomy and my own pregnancies as well is the hips/ pelvis naturally will begin to expand as the body prepares itself for birth. Babies heads needs to to be able to clear and not be caught or trapped. Occasionally some women’s bodies don’t open up enough which could kill both baby and mother, which is one of many reasons C-sections became a life saving option eventually.

  • @soulfoodsmama2980
    @soulfoodsmama298028 күн бұрын

    I always find anything to do with pregnancy, birth and lactation absolutely FASCINATING. Thank you ladies for teaching us about historical maternity wear. 🖤✨

  • @agentcallisto

    @agentcallisto

    27 күн бұрын

    Same!! I’m currently breastfeeding and now feeling inspired to look at historical clothing for ideas on how I can optimize my clothing for easier boob access. This video was fabulous.

  • @katmusswoodwind
    @katmusswoodwind28 күн бұрын

    16:13 the discourse about the corsets causing of deformity reminds me rather of the whole argument about certain things causing autism. The deformity/difference itself may also have not been caused by one thing over the lifetime of each person, rather a mixture of nature vs nurture. Deformity could also have been something to do with diet or other reasons of which we have no empirical evidence. The screaming of "blame the corsets!!" Reminds me of those troglodytes who scream "blame the vaccines/MSG/[insert random thing here] - they cause autism!!", when in fact there are numerous causes/contributory factors which *are not ethically testable in a scientifically controlled environment*... Because experiments on pregnancy/unborn children is thankfully not entertained. All we can do is have our best guess woth the caveat that we may never know if that *one thing* causes the thing we're talking about.

  • @darkmoonhotel

    @darkmoonhotel

    28 күн бұрын

    corsets cause autism? more like autism causes corsets .... am i right .... (fellow autists will know. we like to be squeezed.)

  • @lesacapatate2949

    @lesacapatate2949

    28 күн бұрын

    Yeah totally, I mean the study only shows that women in the XIXth had more deformities than in the XVIIIth, but many different things changed during that time else than corsetery. The paper is not blaming any specific thing, I believe; maybe factory work was a more important cause of such slight deformity. That's also a question sadly not answered in the video, maybe it is in the study but does it depend on the social class and status of these women? I would guess tightlacing as done by the upper classes since childhood would probably have more chances to cause it, while if it's also the case for other classes, then maybe there was something in the shape of (late) XIXth corset that was questionable.

  • @annasolovyeva1013

    @annasolovyeva1013

    28 күн бұрын

    Hey, as for history of medical deformities. There's a collection of deformed fetuses in formalin from early XVIII century Russia. It was done to show people it's not a result of devil's work but health problems. To prove that, mutated baby cattle was displayed as well. Most of mothers of those were commonfolk and didn't wear any sort of corsetry at all. Many deformities would be treatable today. As for more deformity in XIX century then XVIII century... i suppose that's better statistics and better access to healthcare. Many of those deformities were in fact mutations the people of the past didn't know about and totally unrelated to the corsetry.

  • @rtyria

    @rtyria

    28 күн бұрын

    Reminds me of when my little brother got sick after eating a hot dog (he was already showing signs of the flu). For years he blamed the hot dog and nobody could tell him anything different. Even the doc was like "this is the flu, not food poisoning" and my brother was still as adamant as any six year old could get. He's a lot older now but just as opinionated.

  • @maryeckel9682

    @maryeckel9682

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@lesacapatate2949yes, class matters in both directions. Bad bones and musculoskeletal trauma from work for poor, tightlacing for rich.

  • @undetestable1
    @undetestable128 күн бұрын

    Intresting! I have always assumed that women stopped wearing a corest altogether once they reached a certain stage of their pregnancy. I have seen some VERY large pregnant bellies in my time. Its nice to know they still had options, and I image the back support as well as the one with the belly band to help support to stomach were a great relief for the women who wore them.

  • @elliso.9078
    @elliso.907827 күн бұрын

    "Stays were a garment that one could keep with them for significant portions of one's life." "Which is such a different mindset than what we have now." I happened to be listening to this while shopping online for a modern bra. I have 6 bras that are not at all worn out but I gained 15 pounds since I've been fitted and I'm now visibly spilling out of 4 of them. I'm in a size range where buying and selling used is common, so I'll probably sell the bras I have that don't fit me and try to get at least 1 used replacement once I know my new size, but still, modern clothes aren't really designed to be adjustable and durable so as to be kept a long time.

  • @jennischimmels7442
    @jennischimmels744229 күн бұрын

    Ahhh such a fascinating deep dive into a niche topic. The blinking sound effects over Bernadette's "WTF" face absolutely took me out 😂 And the end credits are stunning! Great video and so glad to have you back!

  • @emisformaker
    @emisformaker28 күн бұрын

    I wonder how much of the skeletal deformity could be related to nutrition and/or physical activity. We know now how much adequate micronutrients contribute to bone development, particularly how vitamin D facilitates the uptake and use of calcium, as well as how physical activity has positive correlation to bone density. If we're looking at middle to upper class north-eastern Europe, where people didn't expose their skin to sunlight (for the production of vitamin D), and where vigorous physical activity was discouraged in girls and women, that could contribute to how the corset was able to deform the skeleton to such a degree.

  • @clarasayk525

    @clarasayk525

    28 күн бұрын

    And during industrialization smog in cities could get so bad that even if you went outside, you wouldn't necessarily get enough sunlight. There are videos from the middle of the 20th century even, where children from industrial centers in Europe are treated with some sort of artificial sunlight to avoid bone deformities.

  • @themetr0gn0me

    @themetr0gn0me

    24 күн бұрын

    Vitamin D was my first thought with the mention of skeletal shape! Much work also moved from the field to the factory.

  • @loupblanc7944

    @loupblanc7944

    24 күн бұрын

    That is a big possibility. Not to mention in Europe you have winters so the sun is not as "shining" as in other parts of the world. Heck it's the reason people of European descent have white skin in the first place, to help absorb more sunlight. So I could see woman deliberately making sure not to expose their skin to the sun might have caused a few health issues.

  • @arthurianking9776
    @arthurianking977628 күн бұрын

    I truly adore the end credit of this new video.

  • @AtlasAdratica

    @AtlasAdratica

    28 күн бұрын

    It's so beautiful I was bout to post this myself XD 😆😆

  • @sherryp.thompson1697
    @sherryp.thompson169728 күн бұрын

    I have a Will from an ancestress in the late 1600s. She left her stays to her daughters. And lots of fabric (kersey) and buttons.

  • @victoriab8186

    @victoriab8186

    26 күн бұрын

    That’s really cool! I’m sure there could be an interesting project around the evidence of passing on of stays etc over time in wills; if there are enough bits of evidence it could be a really cool source of evidence for patterns of use and value over time

  • @YaaLFH
    @YaaLFH28 күн бұрын

    One correction: bra straps are not meant to carry the weight of breasts. The main purpose of straps is to *help* shape and lift the breasts while holding them in one place. In a well designed and well fitted bra, about 90% of the weight is supported by the bra band - that's why it should fit snugly and why "sports bras" that you can pull over your head are useless. Unfortunately most women wear bras with much too wide band and much too small cups, which prevents the bra band from doing its job, digging grooves in arms, causing bad posture and damaging the bra. FYI: I currently wear size 32J (yes, bra alphabet doesn't end at "DDD" and you shouldn't increase band size just because there are no larger cups) and have a strapless bra that supports, shapes and lifts my breasts just fine without the help of straps.

  • @arianewinter4266

    @arianewinter4266

    28 күн бұрын

    Ah yeah, the Nightmare of bra fitting, i only know one Brand where I live that even sells my size

  • @jennthya6982

    @jennthya6982

    28 күн бұрын

    Ah yes, living in the US my poor breasts have never been housed in an appropriately sized bra.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    @@arianewinter4266 Luckily we live in the 21st century and online shopping is a thing! Totally worth it too, you get a much better selection and superior products.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    @@arianewinter4266 Where do you live? Maybe I can recommend something.

  • @AdamantErinyes

    @AdamantErinyes

    28 күн бұрын

    Greetings, fellow A Bra That Fits bravangelizer. 😂

  • @mintteacups8069
    @mintteacups806926 күн бұрын

    this video kind of touches on a historical fashion concept i hear about all the time but rarely see illustrated: the continual deconstruction and transformation of one garment throughout fashion trends or needs. i would love to see one of these historical channels take a single gown through a few decades to show how this could be accomplished despite shifting waist heights, loose or tight sleeves, etc because it sounds like such a puzzle and so difficult to accomplish effectively and have it not look like a patchwork quilt after

  • @MossyMozart
    @MossyMozart28 күн бұрын

    I knew that Ms Banner's videography skills would get better and better. And they have! She is as talented in that sphere as she is in historical costuming. I wonder if she will ever try her hand at producing / directing a full-fledged documentary?

  • @nightfall3605

    @nightfall3605

    27 күн бұрын

    And let us give full props to her sibling Danny for editing! It’s nice to see them all in the credits.

  • @Saraphina_Marie

    @Saraphina_Marie

    25 күн бұрын

    @@nightfall3605 DANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @esm1817
    @esm181728 күн бұрын

    So excited to watch this! Toward the end of a pregnancy, the old back just aches, the tummy aches, the legs ache...😂😅. I wished last pregnancy that I had a corset adaptable for pregnancy. Just for some back support, especially since I have older kids to haul around too.

  • @sierrakaufman1868
    @sierrakaufman186828 күн бұрын

    I’m so so so happy you covered this! I’ve been so curious and I’m currently pregnant with my 3rd. Re: breast flaps on Spanish stays - I’m theorizing it could be for women with over production of milk. When your breasts are super full you can’t really move them much, they are utter rocks. So if it was for breastfeeding I would personally think that more comfortable than lifting up and out (more feasible with older babies, not as much newborns)

  • @sierrakaufman1868

    @sierrakaufman1868

    28 күн бұрын

    Also, glad to see the breastfeeding options. Women would have needed places to stick cloth to absorb spontaneous let downs

  • @LynnHermione
    @LynnHermione28 күн бұрын

    17:52 reminder that correlation is not causation. There is no way of knowing that those skeletons were different BECAUSE of the corsets. They may have been born with those traits or have a more sensitive body to changes.

  • @KelseyDrummer

    @KelseyDrummer

    28 күн бұрын

    That's what I was thinking. Perhaps there was a correlation between diets and prevalent diseases to bone density? I don't know though I've done zero research.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    There's evidence those skeletons are fake (rearranged to fit narrative)

  • @ma-ri-ko
    @ma-ri-ko27 күн бұрын

    oh this is my jam. i've been researching pregnancy belly supports for a few years because things like the hara obi are a big part of maternity culture in my heritage. in midwifery school, we did a segment on pelvimetry where we discussed the utility of pelvic measurements and 'textbook' shapes in predicting complications like shoulder dystocia. even with things like mri obtained pelvic measurements, there is very little correlation between what medical professionals deem 'ideal' and the actual ease of labor. the way that ligaments loosen and stretch during childbirth means that the pelvis is not a static shape (ask anyone who has experienced pubic symphesis separation). although 'pelvic insufficiency' and related diagnoses are frequently cited as the reason for ordering a c-section, i served quite a few parents who went on to have successful vbacs despite their diagnosis. to my understanding, when there is true obstructive malformation in the pelvis, usually it's caused by extremes of childhood malnutrition. i do wonder if that plays into the skeletal changes that medical anthropologists noted in corseted individuals

  • @kathmorgan3429
    @kathmorgan342928 күн бұрын

    I am glad nebula is picking up the balls youtube is dropping.

  • @wendys528
    @wendys52828 күн бұрын

    My skin over my underbust ribs was so exquisitely sensitive during my pregnancy I was in agony with any fabric rub. Oh, what I would have given to have a corset to give me bust control and relief from touch.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    Erm, unless you're thinking of some futuristic corsets that hover over your skin and support without touching it, they would cause the same issues.

  • @naolucillerandom5280

    @naolucillerandom5280

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@YaaLFH if you have big breasts, stays don't touch the underbust ribs. That's why sometimes women sewed on little bags on the inside that did touch you to act as extra support. So that's a "maybe" on whether it could have worked out for this person.

  • @eloisezimmerman4592
    @eloisezimmerman459225 күн бұрын

    I imagine wearing a corset throughout pregnancy would help decrease the risk of abdominal injury. The abdominus rectus actually splits apart at the linea alba (the connective tissue between the two vertical muscles) during the later months, and you have to be careful not to use that muscle too much or you risk tearing. That means no crunches or sit ups, and you have to roll to get out of bed rather than sit straight up from lying down. A supportive garment like that would likely prevent excessive strain on the connective tissue and allow it to heal relatively quickly postpartum. Modern belly bands exist for the same reason but theyre just big bands of elastic that compress the whole torso, theyre not boned or structured. I imagine stays or corsets would be much more comfortable.

  • @nancyreid8729
    @nancyreid872928 күн бұрын

    This is picking nits, but flex and stretch (before spandex etc) can very easily be a function of the weave structure; jeans for example (before the current iteration of additional spandex) bent and stretched quite easily around all the curves and movements of the knees, butt, and hips solely by utilizing a twill weave; it works great for that. Simply cutting on the bias also aids with stretch and give. So while lacing and modular construction work fabulously well, clothing has had stretch for a LONG time, back to the Stone Age.

  • @helenamizera3807

    @helenamizera3807

    28 күн бұрын

    I also wanted to mention that knits have probably existed for a while.

  • @YaaLFH

    @YaaLFH

    28 күн бұрын

    Unfortunately that makes it harder to create a supportive garment. Modern bras are made using stretchy fabrics but their construction is very complicated for such a small item - multiple small pieces stitched together in the right way.

  • @parryyotter

    @parryyotter

    28 күн бұрын

    Stretch without support is useless

  • @nancyreid8729

    @nancyreid8729

    28 күн бұрын

    @@parryyotter as I started my statement with “this is picking nits,” please understand that I was only addressing the video’s statement about stretch being a new phenomenon. It is not. In no way was I addressing the support issue, and you are absolutely correct in saying that stretch without support (in the world of corsets) is useless.

  • @MeemsyD

    @MeemsyD

    26 күн бұрын

    Yep, knit fabric has horizontal stretch and has been around for thousands of years at least. But the stretch on the bias and the stretch of knits is very minimal compared to the modern "stretch" fabrics like spandex, elastane etc. I don't think stretch fabric is really that useful for supportive garments anyway!

  • @86fifty
    @86fifty28 күн бұрын

    Yoooo, congrats on joining Nebula! May it be a long and fruitful partnership! :)

  • @tanakaryuunosuke2641
    @tanakaryuunosuke264128 күн бұрын

    I'm a big fan of the credits at the end!

  • @PalisDelon
    @PalisDelon27 күн бұрын

    Midwife here, the talk about pelvic deformity has got my brain going. The big advice I give my clients is to see a chiropractor in the last month to help with balancing the pelvis - modern life tends to tilt it off the level and into a forward tilt (like putting a bend in a pipe). I know most of the silhouette came from padding but if the corset was giving any kind of angle backwards that could cause problems during labor - prolonging the pushing phase.

  • @aerolb
    @aerolb29 күн бұрын

    Great to see you back! Wonderful video and like the new format!

  • @letyvdx
    @letyvdx27 күн бұрын

    Medical pregnancy and postpartum girdles are very common where I live. It just seems logical people on the past would find similar solutions for their every day problems

  • @a.g.richardson7178

    @a.g.richardson7178

    4 күн бұрын

    Yeah I totally remember my mom wearing those after she had my brothers, and I know in China they have a traditional wrapping technique for postpartum

  • @chaos-sy1kq
    @chaos-sy1kq28 күн бұрын

    currently writing an essay and I needed a lunch break - thank you for an interesting video!! (and for making sure I actually take a break) EDIT: OH MY GOD OUTRO???? YESSSSSSSSSS

  • @evanmay

    @evanmay

    28 күн бұрын

    omg me too!

  • @snapedu9166
    @snapedu916628 күн бұрын

    Two queens maximizing their joint slay😂😂

  • @spookysiamesecat4214
    @spookysiamesecat421428 күн бұрын

    Yay Bernadette’s back!!! We missed you!! Let the fun historical chaos begin!

  • @maxine5859
    @maxine585927 күн бұрын

    I used to wear a (modern, midbust) corset a lot while breastfeeding my oldest kiddos. Can confirm, the up and over method works just fine 🙃 My bras of the time however were absolutely mangled from folding the cup over 🙄

  • @FlagCutie
    @FlagCutie28 күн бұрын

    Madame Banner! The production values on this video are fantastic!

  • @hahalove47
    @hahalove4727 күн бұрын

    As a woman who has tried wearing wired bras while pregnant, I think this sounds so much more comfortable. Especially love the image of a baby being breastfed. Very practical.

  • @joycurry9509
    @joycurry950928 күн бұрын

    DR. SARAH BENDALL???!??? AMAZING

  • @amyh6936
    @amyh693627 күн бұрын

    This was so interesting, thank you Bernadette & Sarah. I'm 5 months post-partum and can't imagine anyone tight lacing during pregnancy. With both my pregnancies I couldn't stand the discomfort of jeans etc past about 8 weeks of pregnancy so I agree with Sarah's point that claiming tight lacing was causing pregnancy complications was probably placing blame on something that women weren't even doing.

  • @christinabejano1752
    @christinabejano175222 күн бұрын

    I made a pair of working class side lacing maternity stays for historical reenactment. I used doubled twine as boning. I was 7-8 months pregnant and it was very comfortable. Because it was side laced I was able to wear it as normal stays for years after that.

  • @nekomimime
    @nekomimime28 күн бұрын

    So glad you joined Nebula! Will watch you there in the future :)

  • @SibylleLeon
    @SibylleLeon28 күн бұрын

    Just signed up for Nebula, thank you so much! Been wanting to do this for ages ❤

  • @naorivas
    @naorivas28 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much for covering this! I wish more historical dress KZreadrs covered historical maternity clothing.

  • @nicolalang5603
    @nicolalang560328 күн бұрын

    Sarah is a delight! What a great guest, and so informative

  • @marief9858
    @marief985827 күн бұрын

    I love Dr Sarah Bendall! Thank you Bernadette!

  • @unrulycrow6299
    @unrulycrow629928 күн бұрын

    OMG YES I was waiting for this topic to by tackled by you (and your guest, thank you Sarah!)

  • @NWolfsson
    @NWolfsson28 күн бұрын

    Is it me, or does Bernadette morph a little more into The Mistress every video? :') Also, not really a subject I'm concerned by (as a gay cis man), but still, seeing the variations in shape and the adaptivity of shaping garments does help hammer down the point that corsets can be for everyone :)

  • @salomealhusami594
    @salomealhusami59428 күн бұрын

    Yaaaay!!! 🎉 A new Bernadette video after so long! 😍😍😍 I'm so excited! 😊

  • @kristinapaxton9686
    @kristinapaxton968628 күн бұрын

    Nutrition was better in the 19th cen. with the industrial revolution v.s. the 18th cen. whereby it was common to have lower quality food or lack of. Corsets cannot be blamed for body shape because nutrition is a much stronger factor.

  • @RychaardRyder
    @RychaardRyder28 күн бұрын

    AHHH SHE HAS A NETFLIX WORTHY OUTRO OH MY GOD THE PRODUCTION VALUES

  • @consu789
    @consu78927 күн бұрын

    The end credits are chef's kiss. I love how you are constantly improving the quality of your videos. I started seeing your videos in 2019, and so far, I have loved the journey!

  • @dorrolorro
    @dorrolorro22 күн бұрын

    I've got a video suggestion for you. Similar to your redesigning outfits on book covers for historical novels, you could redesign outfits in historical movies and shows! For example, in time for the Bridgerton season three premiere, you could redesign some of the outfits from the previous seasons, or the few we see in the trailers for the third season. I would love to see that video!

  • @hannahkat9722
    @hannahkat972225 күн бұрын

    This was really interesting! You manage to be super informative whilst keeping a casual and fun enough tone that it was impossible to zone out - both of you managed to do an amazing job

  • @ashleyciprich8881
    @ashleyciprich888128 күн бұрын

    I made myself a pregnancy corset to wear during our Civil war events. It was so comfortable and it helped by lifting my belly and taking the weight off of my back. I was 8 months pregnant when I wore it.

  • @poetmaggie1
    @poetmaggie127 күн бұрын

    Bernadette said it, people mostly want to be comfortable, I want to be comfortable, most of us didn't wear them so tight we fainted for lack of air. In fact I suspect fainting is highly exaggerated, people not wearing Corsets can do it my little ones did it. They cried so hard they blew out all the good air and didn't get a breath until they blacked out. Adding these facts to some others I learned recently it sounds like a marketing campaign to sell something entirely different.

  • @jenesisjones6706
    @jenesisjones670627 күн бұрын

    Yes! I've been using Nebula for quite awhile! I love it, and am always delighted when a YT I watch adds Nebula...thanks again!

  • @AllTheHappySquirrels
    @AllTheHappySquirrels27 күн бұрын

    I just needed to offer praise for Danny's edits. The eyeblinks, in particular, were so perfectly subtle and well-timed. 😄

  • @Demonreached
    @Demonreached28 күн бұрын

    This was wonderful. Thank you for posting!

  • @elizabethgall5327
    @elizabethgall532727 күн бұрын

    Thank you for addressing this fascinating topic! I also LOVE the new outro!

  • @thisisjustmyboringlife6996
    @thisisjustmyboringlife699627 күн бұрын

    The outro was gorgeous! ❤ Beautifully and epically filmed!

  • @Celcey24
    @Celcey2428 күн бұрын

    Such an interesting topic. I love seeing these garments, and I'm glad to see the 1600s getting a bit more rep, as it deserves. Fantastical Follies is also doing a bunch of 17th century stuff, as it's her favorite era. Pregnancy stays/corsets are such an interesting topic, I love seeing it get more discussed. And now I feel cool, because I've already seen some of Dr. Bendall's videos. Excellent topic to discuss.

  • @KelseyDrummer

    @KelseyDrummer

    28 күн бұрын

    I love FF! Her vibe speaks to me!😂

  • @MariekevanEijk
    @MariekevanEijk26 күн бұрын

    So happy to see you❤❤. Love hearing you refer to your wife, and love hearing about the hobbies!

  • @McKennaRosen
    @McKennaRosen27 күн бұрын

    I love this! I’m 22 weeks pregnant wearing my belly support band and doing my dishes while learning about how women of the past wore their corsets during this season! Thank you for putting this together!

  • @cherrypl3
    @cherrypl328 күн бұрын

    your video is both so informative and interesting, thank you for being one of the content creators who are considerate of their audience ❤

  • @alrightsissi
    @alrightsissi6 күн бұрын

    this was SUCH a good watch! So interesting to learn!

  • @SilverLikeStarlight
    @SilverLikeStarlight7 күн бұрын

    Losing it over this new Downton-Abbey style outro!!!!!!! Gorgeous! Amazing! Cinematic!

  • @jengirl2
    @jengirl228 күн бұрын

    Beautiful credits at the end. Loved this video. Fascinating!

  • @Silverbirchleaf
    @Silverbirchleaf28 күн бұрын

    Really enjoyed this video, and immediately bought Sarah's book! Also, those credits? Beautiful!

  • @anaquezia5532
    @anaquezia553227 күн бұрын

    The editing on this video is peak 👌✨ loved the subject and how it was presented, making it easier for us nerds to research further into all these interesting topics :)

  • @sarahwatts7152
    @sarahwatts715227 күн бұрын

    Love the interview! Also the credits at the end were so epic I didn't fast forward. And yay nebula!

  • @EmiWW256
    @EmiWW2563 күн бұрын

    This was a very informative watch. Learning about day to day history especially focused on women is so important and there’s much to learn from our ancestors we often belittle. Thank you very much. I ordered the book by Sarah Bendall and am looking forward to reading it. @Bernadette, it’s great to see new content here. You are such an inspiration.