How Classical Education Impacts Democracy | A Call For Restoration

How Classical Education Impacts Democracy - A Call For Restoration
Classical education has fallen out of popularity over the past century. We are in the process of finding out if that was a good or bad thing and the evidence is becoming more clear. We may have chosen the wrong path to progress down. There is no shame in backing up and starting over again. History is littered with examples of this. In his book "A Defense of Classical Education", Richard Livingstone explains the importance of defending a classical education. The important point I want to drive home is that classical education appears to be the best form of education to sustain a democracy. A Democratic Republic's survival is dependent on the quality of the people voting and deciding on representatives. If the morals, virtues, and character break down in society then a democracy can not be expected to stand for very long. A classical education is the glue that holds all of this together. This series is to shine a light on this issue. I hope you enjoy reading and the videos!
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  • @atterberrypm
    @atterberrypm9 күн бұрын

    I believe our "educational reforms" have been a disaster for the United States. Learning Latin and studying the classics not only provides critical thinking skills and provides perspective on other peoples points of view, but learning Latin grammar is essentially learning a highly articulated inflectional system which will help you in learning other systems such as programming or economics.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    9 күн бұрын

    That’s a really good point concerning programming. Never thought about it in that direction. Truly appreciate you watching my friend and stay blessed!

  • @catiapb1

    @catiapb1

    8 күн бұрын

    Can you point me to studies that show that learning Latin improves critical thinking skills? (I am Portuguese, my language is latin based).

  • @thomascromwell6840

    @thomascromwell6840

    3 күн бұрын

    ​@@catiapb1It doesn't, and the idea that a language improves your ability to program is a myth. I might have agreed had he said reading philosophy improves critical thinking, no matter the language.

  • @CheapSeats
    @CheapSeats9 күн бұрын

    Finishing the defense of the Greeks portion and on to the Romans next. Homeschooling our children here. Using a Christian and Classical education mix. It’s going amazingly thank the Lord. Oldest child just went 98th%+ on his state equivalency exams. 4th grader reading at the 75th% high school senior level already… Persevere Rob, you’re on the Path

  • @markdevlin3630

    @markdevlin3630

    6 күн бұрын

    How did you get your children to want to put in the effort? I find the hardest part is the willingness of the child. Just curious.

  • @CheapSeats

    @CheapSeats

    6 күн бұрын

    @@markdevlin3630 GREAT question: started at birth. Read to my son EVERY night that I was home and not deployed. Encourage his Q&A sessions, taught him about world history and American history, read the scripture with him, pray with him, exercise with him, no tablets or cellphones or social media, give him responsibilities and chores and award him accordingly, have tough conversations about responsibilities and repercussions and discipline, love him and tell him I love him, and show him I love him. Etc. And then I replicate this for my two other children as well. It’s not easy. But they’re worth it. Much easier to plop them in front of TVs or tell them “bc I’m your Father and I said so” but in the long run both of those are counter productive and ineffective. So I choose the harder, but more meaningful and productive path. Lead with the “Why” with your kids. Answer their questions. And again, “Lead”. They know when you’re genuine and when you have their best interests in mind. Can’t fool your kids… they see you 7 days a week 😅 Again, GREAT question! Best of luck. You can do it too.

  • @CheapSeats

    @CheapSeats

    6 күн бұрын

    @@markdevlin3630 I wrote a whole reply and it seems to have been filtered out 😔 Basically, love your kids. Lead with the why. Read to them. Do the hard things (no tablets/phones/social media), bc kids know when you’re being genuine and when you’re not. They see us 7 days a week 😅 we can’t fool them. GREAT question!

  • @markdevlin3630

    @markdevlin3630

    6 күн бұрын

    @@CheapSeats Thanks for the reply. Nothing is more annoying on YT then when your reply doesn't show up. I hear you on the removal of distractions. Worst decision I ever made was allowing YT and roblox. Take care.

  • @CheapSeats

    @CheapSeats

    5 күн бұрын

    @@markdevlin3630 it can be overcome. You can do it and they (the children) are worth it. Persevere, you are not alone in this Cause. ✊

  • @aylorstephen
    @aylorstephen8 күн бұрын

    Rob, I just want you to know I really appreciate what you’re doing. This is important. It’s important for today and important for the future.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much! I believe the same thing. I know I do not have all the answers but I am enjoying the journey to find the answers. Hopefully we can all gain something along the way. Truly appreciate the kind words and thanks so much for watching. Stay blessed!

  • @The_Cause
    @The_Cause9 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much for tuning in! Paradise Lost video #4 will be next and then, back to this series! If you need a little caffeine to get you through the series then try some of the coffee I roast. www.cedarotacoffee.com Stay blessed my friends!

  • @redcrossreborn
    @redcrossreborn7 күн бұрын

    Thanks for doing these videos. I'm blessed to be able to send my kids to a classical Christian school, and I'm currently working through the Great Books to remediate my government schooling. Glad to see other people pushing themselves.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    Thats awesome! I am sure it will pay dividends later in life. The Great Books are such an amazing set. I have not started reading them yet but I flip through them regularly. Work is the key word for the Great Books. Definitely not anything easy or quick about them. haha Thanks for watching and stay blessed!

  • @hephaestusfortarier249
    @hephaestusfortarier2492 күн бұрын

    Would recommend the history of western philosophy by Bertrand Russell, it's a really good book, well written and includes all those classical works and authors intertwined. Love that book by Livingstone.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    2 күн бұрын

    I hear so much about Bertrand Russell. I am looking forward to finally crossing paths with his works. So much to read so little time! Haha Livingstone’s book was great. I am anxious to know what I would think of his arguments if I also knew Greek and Latin. Truly appreciate you watching my friend and stay blessed!

  • @atkinsj24
    @atkinsj247 күн бұрын

    "If you have the privilege to vote, you have the duty to read."

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    Yes indeed! Many of us like to proclaim our right to vote but we also have to realize we have duties that go along with that right. Book 8 will focus on this topic a good bit. Thanks for watching and stay blessed my friend!

  • @jonashasageremtkjrjensen
    @jonashasageremtkjrjensen8 күн бұрын

    A great video. Upon discovering your channel a couple of weeks ago I became inspired and invigorated with a desire to learn more and more deeply. Therefore I have set myself the ambition of achieving a Classical Education by learning Latin, Ancient Greek and Biblical Hebrew while reading all the literature, studying all the history and culture which goes along with it. I want to thank you for the inspiration and I am looking forward to your future videos!

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    That is so cool to hear! I am glad my videos helped lead you down the path. It has been a fun journey for me so far and I am sure you will feel the same. Judging by how well you sound on the Piano practice and dedication should not be a problem. I would love to venture in to Music one day and learn that side of the education as well. Thanks so much for watching my friend and stay blessed!

  • @c0284
    @c02848 күн бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much again! Your kindness if very appreciated! Hope you enjoy and thanks so much for watching. Stay blessed!

  • @RobPirieCedarOtaCoffee
    @RobPirieCedarOtaCoffee9 күн бұрын

    I just want to spin green beans in a furnace and turn them brown so as to grind and drink later. Reading a good book in the process always pairs well with the process. Great video dude…

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    9 күн бұрын

    I just want to read books and create KZread videos but the garden calls!

  • @readlikeaman
    @readlikeaman9 күн бұрын

    great start to the series Rob! This book has been on my TBR for a few weeks now, ever since I heard them mention it on one of the Memoria Press podcasts... Definitely one i want to pick up! and i think the biggest thing most people discount is the fact that even if you didn't have a classical education, you can still choose to SELF-educate and move more towards that kind of understanding and way of viewing the world. So many people discount the fact that you need to be constantly learning and growing and improving yourself or else you'll stagnate and die. The goal is create and consume something true and beautiful every single day - do that and you'll be alright! :D Thanks for another awesome video my man!

  • @JamesAdams-ev6fc
    @JamesAdams-ev6fc9 күн бұрын

    Thanks for these very thoughtful presentations.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    9 күн бұрын

    You are most very welcome! I truly appreciate you watching!

  • @williamfahey6066
    @williamfahey60668 күн бұрын

    This is the first video of yours I have seen, and I really enjoyed it. I started following you. Jeff

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    Well I am truly happy to have you along my friend! Thanks so much for watching and stay blessed!

  • @jimmyhill9743
    @jimmyhill97438 күн бұрын

    I would add farming. If some big disaster happened. It would be best to know some farming to be able to SURVIVE

  • @jimmyhill9743
    @jimmyhill97438 күн бұрын

    I would add farming. If some big disaster happened. It would be best to know some farming to be able to SURVIVE . Another thing to look at. Books today may be around an 8th grade reading level. Back when I was much younger, books had closer to a 13th grade.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    I agree farming should be included as well. I was reading about Cato The Elder, Jefferson and some others who believed farming was just as important as reading and writing when it came to an education. If we think our classical knowledge is bad we haven't even discussed how bad our agricultural knowledge has become. As for books in the day being harder you can see that with some of the older children books we have picked up. Blows my mind how far we have regressed in some areas and improved in others. Truly appreciate you watching my friend and hope all has been well up there!

  • @jquezi
    @jquezi8 күн бұрын

    Your videos serve as a guide for my intellectual enlistment. Thank you.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    No problem at all my friend. I am happy to hear that they are helpful. It has been a nice learning process making them. Thanks for watching and stay blessed my friend!

  • @zacbarnes2187
    @zacbarnes21879 күн бұрын

    I just finished this book last night. I loved how it changed my views on humanities and the importance of reading the Greeks and Romans. I also saw many parallels between the emphasis on "natural science" in his day and STEM in ours. It seems to me the best benefits of classical education are "soft" benefits, ie better equipped to learn, better morals, more empathy, etc. I would never have considered the humanities as more important than STEM unless I read this book. Also, this dude loves his Greeks. Even the chapter on the Latins was overshadowed by them 😂

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    There was no doubt about his support of the Greeks! haha I think the expression of thought was my biggest takeaway. I never really ever though about the skill of translating your ideas into another language and the skill that must build in being precise in the words you use. I think this skill would translate over to code and other more tech concepts. There is a need for both but also like I kind of mentioned. There is a need for welders, machinist and mechanics. Which is most important now days is being determined by the market. Thanks for watching my friend and glad to have you along the reading journey!

  • @CheapSeats
    @CheapSeats5 күн бұрын

    Finishing this book today, and weapons of mass instruction arrives on Tuesday so I can crush through it. The other 6 books are here now too. Stoked! When is the video on Weapons of Mass Instruction slated for release so I can plan out how quickly I needs to read through it before video release Sir?

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    2 күн бұрын

    I don’t know why my reply did not go through. I know I posted it. Anyway, glad you are reading along and looking forward to getting out the next one. I am working on Paradise Lost’s 4th video now and hope to have it out next week. I hope to have weapons of mass instruction out in about 2-3 weeks. If time permits sooner but it never does. Haha As always, stay blessed my friend and thanks for ordering coffee again!

  • @CheapSeats

    @CheapSeats

    Күн бұрын

    @@The_Cause got it in the mail yesterday, it is a GREAT read thus far. I’ll have it finished within 10 days so that’s plenty of time! Thanks brother, and thank you for the recent delivery of Cedar Ota Coffee last week!

  • @PG22_Hello
    @PG22_Hello8 күн бұрын

    Good job as always

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much my friend! I truly appreciate you watching and stay blessed!

  • @jakelm4256
    @jakelm42569 күн бұрын

    Word of advice: If looking to pull the trigger on the Harvard Classics or GBWW with regard to a liberal education, the GBWW has the texts for 5 of the 7 classical liberal arts, and many of those that students classically moved up to in moral philosophy, natural philosophy, and theology. The Harvard Classics doesn’t really have any that were part of a classical education. It is a good set of classic literature though.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    9 күн бұрын

    Most definitely. The Harvard Classics are more literature based. The Great Books dives more into the math and sciences as well. I like that the Great Books are compiled in a more chronological order versus the HC that go from Ben Franklin in volume 1 to Plato in volume 2. Great point to bring up. Thanks so much for watching my friend and stay blessed.

  • @FlatlineLancer
    @FlatlineLancer7 күн бұрын

    Dude, so well done.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    Thanks brother! I truly appreciate the feedback!

  • @SiderealMessage
    @SiderealMessage8 күн бұрын

    Hello Rob! Thanks for a great video and solid overview of Livingstone's work. As a scholar of Latin (but not ancient Greek-at least not yet), I can definitely appreciate the ways in which learning these languages and appreciating the works of Cicero, Vergil, and others in their original form is incredible. I would say, though, the most essential group of works missing from a classical education (assuming the classical education is focused on the humanities) are those of the Enlightenment, without which many of the central ideas of the Western world are left undeveloped, including democracy (Montesquieu's The Spirit of the Laws is a must-read!). An education in the classics, though, should be the cornerstone of a wider education in the great books and ideas of world culture, which in my view should continue on to the works of the modern day--without a sampling of the many eras and viewpoints of human history, it can be difficult to get a full understanding of both human nature and where the world is today. I thank you for your well thought-out take on the importance of the classics!

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    I most definitely agree. I have listened to many of Adler’s lectures and talks and I think he felt the same. It is nice to hear from those who know Latin. I usually hear the argument against Greek and Latin from people who do not know it. I don’t either but I have read enough of Milton and Bacon to realize that some deep foundational understanding they have allows them to communicate at a deeper level than I can. I understand they are professionals in their field though. Truly appreciate you watching my friend and stay blessed!

  • @dudayev608
    @dudayev6088 күн бұрын

    Please do a review on john dewey’s education philosophy

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    That is definitely a topic I want to cover soon. I think it would pair well after this series. Truly appreciate you watching and stay blessed my friend!

  • @emilymiller1792
    @emilymiller17928 күн бұрын

    Every American should have at least some classical education, some knowledge of the Great Works, and history. In our constitutional republic, all citizens shoulder some responsibility in self-governance. In order to best participate, everyone should have some of the knowledge and wisdom our Founders xarried within them. I know several working class individuals who are quite the history buffs and who can wrestle with ideas as well as machinery.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    I agree! And after watching it through before posting I wish I would have clarified that more. I know a dump truck driver that reads more than I do and you could never tell looking at the man. Thanks so much for watching and stay blessed!

  • @emilymiller1792

    @emilymiller1792

    8 күн бұрын

    @@The_Cause You as well! Thank you for putting these videos out! May classical education catch hold, as much as possible, in all our schools. Keep up the good work of lighting the fire of excellent education!

  • @benrex7775
    @benrex77759 күн бұрын

    I have an opinion and I don't know how to communicate it to people who haven't thought about it yet. I agree with your statement at 12:18 _"[...] but a long walk with Gibbons through Rome will make you realize, all this material stuff you care about and take for granted is just a few bad decisions away from disappearing."_ I don't think the classical education is the only glue that can hold a country together. China doesn't have it and it had a civilization for thousands of years. Or Switzerland is basically a collection of villages and cities who decide that they want to be together against the rest of the world. In case of modern Switzerland I think the cultural glue are things like public school which connects people across social class or the mandatory military service which connects people across regions. Also the small size of the country and great public transport connects the urban and rural parts of the country in a way which probably no other country does. It's still a problem to some degree, but in Switzerland many companies set their base in some rural village and still export to the whole world. Anyways, we are in agreement with society needing a glue to keep up a high social safety and living standard. Many people I talk to think that it can't be that bad. Another thing that some people also struggle with is the vulnerability of our infrastructure. How much of the milk produced is milked by hand and how much is milked by a machine? How much wheat can still be harvested if there is no oil anymore? How are good distributed if the American military supremacy on the ocean breaks down? Will a less educated populous be able to maintain the electric grid? Will they be able to create and maintain the machines to automate all the manual labor that is required to keep society running? When I talk to non-technical people they all think about the newest smartphone and ask _"What is so bad about it if we take a step back? Even if it is all the way back to the flip phone."_ I agree with them that entertainment electronics is a luxury which is not necessary. But feeding the population and giving energy to the population is. And that is stuff which only very few people have insight into, percentage wise. Or a historian I recently talked to said _"If we look at the entire human history, the desire for a higher comfort rose. So the bigger problem to tackle is how to do technology efficiently, not how to stop a decay."_ I sadly didn't get around to give a response. But in my opinion the society structure provides the upper range of the possible technological level. If you have a tribal society you can't have steel tools, as they require a semi global trade. Same with our current technology. Just because people desire luxury doesn't mean they can build a society that can produce luxury. If we make a few wrong decisions then that means we don't have any companies anymore which produce stuff and which ship stuff just in time so that the people have their luxury. It doesn't matter if there are no people who want to be engineers anymore, if there are politicians who prohibit companies from making stuff or if war prevents trade. If you stop production civilization will break down. And we have too many people and too incompetent people to be able to live in a broken down society. It's quite possible that I view things too dark. But I think it is blissfully ignorant to just assume a solution will pop up when the need arises. Especially if fewer people want to go into the engineering jobs which require logical thinking or the manual labor jobs which require working with the hands. According to the university teachers I know, all technical apprenticeships and all engineering degrees have fewer students applying. But the social jobs and the office jobs which focus on human interactions have more workers than jobs. So far I have not found out how to explain that in an appealing way. If I just say the summary, then people think I'm a pessimistic doom-monger. But I'm an optimistic pessimist. I think the trends and risks are quite large, but it doesn't really affect me emotionally and I have the best education to feed myself through a crisis, as long as it isn't a complete blackout. What do you think about this? Any tips on how to communicate it? Do you have any thoughts on the infrastructure side of civilization?

  • @catiapb1
    @catiapb18 күн бұрын

    In which way learning Latin and Greek changes our brain and helps you thinking more clearly? Imo training public speaking, argumentation and talking to people of all ages and different fields of work, learning different modern languages, helps more than learning dead languages. Can you point me to scientific studies instead of an individual opinion?

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    He explains it better than I can in the book. He says that by translating into Greek and Latin you build a technique for precisely picking and choosing the correct words. All of modern languages (at least in the west) are rooted in these to languages. The problem is the that people like myself even who have argues against it don it know the languages. I study could be done on all the great writers in history such as Milton, Bacon, Shakespeare and pair them against all the ones who do not know Latin and Greek and see how it affects. What he says in the book makes perfect sense but I understand the push back because of the time commitment and our attachment to modern languages or even computer code over ancient languages. Very good points though. Something I will have to look into further as we learn more about it. Thanks for watching!

  • @EverydayisFriday-bw7bt
    @EverydayisFriday-bw7bt8 күн бұрын

    Great video Rob! I totally agree with you that our children are truly missing out on true education. And we are paying for it in our communities & workplaces. Amazing how my younger teammates can’t seem to say a normal sentence without adding “like” after every other word! So annoying! Looking forward to you next video! God bless!

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    I notice that as well. As I get older I have been stepping back and thinking to myself. The kids coming out of school are a product of the programs and policies that we (My Generation and Older) have put in place and are teaching them. I think it is more important than ever to revive the classical way of learning and point anyone willing to learn in a direction that I think is the correct path to go down. What we currently have set up is not working that well. Then again, I do not know how much is cultural decay, poor parenting, or the effects of a privileged/affluent/softer society. It is crazy to speak to older men in their 80s and 90s who are still living and remember not having electricity in their house and a time when an ice truck would actually deliver ice. Makes you realize it really wasn't that long ago that things were completely different. Thanks for watching and stay blessed my friend!

  • @jimmyhill9743
    @jimmyhill97438 күн бұрын

    Your hitting it right nose, on our educational system

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much brother! I agree, we have a lot to fix! haha

  • @Kvell55
    @Kvell558 күн бұрын

    Rob, great analysis of the topic. It is frightening today to see so many of today’s “students “ lack critical thinking or any real knowledge of history. The future is grim unless things change dramatically. Have you read The Cave and the Light by Arthur Herman? It’s a great read about the influence of Plato and Aristotle on Western thought and how their philosophy influenced important events and Western culture.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    I read that book a couple years ago and honestly it kind of was what set me off on this journey. I like how he showed the division between Plato and Aristotle and how that divide has literally shaped our western culture. I would love to revisit it someday. I agree with the state of out society. We definitely have a lot of work to do. haha Thanks so much for watching and stay blessed my friend!

  • @benrex7775
    @benrex77759 күн бұрын

    I had some contact with Swiss homeschoolers. The ones I talked to are not in favor of public school. One of the reasons why they dislike it is the following. They think the public school system is a tool of the industrialization. They think the sole purpose of public education is to turn humans into cogs of the machine called the industry. Or in other words we are forced to learn what outside forces want us to learn at the time they want us to learn it. They oppose that extrinsic form of education and favor an intrinsic form of education. They think any child has a built in learning schedule that runs on its own time. Perhaps you don't want to learn to read at the age of 6 but you may want to learn it at the age of 9. So why don't we let the child learn it at 9? After all if you force someone to learn something that he doesn't want to learn then this will just kill all motivation to learn as a whole. I can understand their argument. But I think there are several problems with that. - One of them is that they have no reason to belief that this is true. If they think we are a product of evolution then which selective process gave us the desire to read at age x? After all reading is a very recent phenomena. Sure, if they are Christians then they can say God gave that intrinsic learning plan. But so far nobody gave me a reason why that should be the case. And I won't do the job for them. - They say that each child has its own inner plan of when it wants to learn stuff. I think that is false. I think there is another reason that makes the child want to learn. And that would be the desire to fit in. At some point a child will find out that every other child can read but they can't so this child wants to learn it to have access to what the group is talking about. But what would happen if 20% of society can't read anymore? Will that desire still push a child to read? Or what about more complex stuff like an electrical engineering degree? There will always be a select few humans who have the desire and discipline to learn technical jobs on their own. But will those outliers be enough to maintain all of that infrastructure which grants us the luxury to ask those questions? - I was always an average student. I always did more than the minimum to pass, but I was not pursuing excellence. If my education were driven by intrinsic learning then I'm pretty sure I would be nowhere near where I am now. And when I look at my fellow students then that seems to be the norm. - Some things are better learned when the brain is developing those areas within the brain. If we let the child learn it at some other time then that may come with a lower capacity of learning. - One advantage of extrinsic learning is that you also train delayed gratification. Also I don't think the child is necessarily the best judge of what type of knowledge is best later in it's live. Especially when it comes to basic knowledge and skills. After letting those thoughts run wild for a while in my subconscious, I have come to a temporary conclusion of what education would look like, if I had to design it. I would say half of the day should be dedicated to learning the basics in an extrinsic fashion. With basics I mean math, language, reading & writing and logic. The rest of the day should be focused on intrinsic form of learning and there it is about application. For example if someone loves electronics then they should have plenty of time and support to tinker around with electronics. In that intrinsic part of the education they should also be confronted with various other things that they don't know yet. And when it comes to stuff like health, gardening, sports and so on then it should not be taught but instead it should be lived out by the parents. The children will mimic that automatically. If you have children and you could freely determine their education, how would you go about doing it?

  • @LucasRegular-un9pn
    @LucasRegular-un9pn7 күн бұрын

    I oughtta read this one. Where do you get these books from?

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    I have them all linked in the description of the video. But this book "Defense of Classical Eduction", Memoria Press puts out and it can be purchased off their website. Thanks so much for watching and stay blessed my friend!

  • @LucasRegular-un9pn

    @LucasRegular-un9pn

    7 күн бұрын

    @@The_Cause Ah, good man

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    Happy reading my friend!

  • @mrsjeffries7714
    @mrsjeffries77148 күн бұрын

    It's a new week.

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    Well.. pour a cup of coffee, sit down and hopefully my rambling makes enough sense to mean something. Hope all has been well and thanks for watching!

  • @SubtleForces
    @SubtleForces6 күн бұрын

    I have probably benefitted from as close to a classical education as is possible. I have also come to study classics even more as I age though not without balancing it with continuous learning of modern science. I remain wary of pure apologies of the classics. The greek philosophers made some important conceptual errors. The Roman state building was also not without major flaws. To discern these issues, you must accept to explore at the very least the Enlightenment and probably go at the very least to WWII when some key modern ideas were introduced. Conceptual knowledge is a key component of classical training that needs to be highlighted. It contrasts with the dumbed down current education centered on technical skills. It's the key to real understanding ent therefore the ability to correctly think and apply knowledge under changing circumstances.

  • @nickkrupa3818
    @nickkrupa38188 күн бұрын

    "If our object is to train exactness of thought, modern languages are far inferior to Latin." What does exactness of thought mean? How does Livingstone measure it? Why does he believe that modern languages are inferior to Latin in training exactness of thought?

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    7 күн бұрын

    It is hard to explain as well as he does in the book. He basically says that when you learn Greek and Latin you have to translate them into English on your own. The process of choosing the words to use and the repetition of this practice allows those who know both languages to understand the languages so much deeper. It is how Milton could create words from Latin like Pandemonium and then use them in his works. His main focus was the process and practice of this translation from one to the other. Both language he claims provides a different tool. Greek for its ability to express and Latin for its ability to be direct and exact in thought. Couple that with a native language and you get writers who can think and write more clearly. I would love to hear what someone who actually knows both Greek and Latin thinks about this. Most of the time the people I hear arguing against learning these languages do not know them in the first place. But I feel I have a hard time expressing my ideas and thoughts and just thinking about it I can see where translating into another language would allow me to dive deeper into choosing words more precisely. Thanks for watching brother and hope all has been well!

  • @nickkrupa3818

    @nickkrupa3818

    6 күн бұрын

    @@The_Cause I think exactness of thought is hard to explain because it's vague. I don't know how we could measure it objectively. We could ask people who know Latin and English whether learning Latin helped them achieve exactness of thought. But I fear that they might be dishonest or biased when answering because they spent hundreds, if not thousands, of hours learning Latin, and they will want to justify that time spent. This topic reminds me of Orwell's essay, Politics and the English Language. In the essay, he argues for the use of Germanic words over Latinate words. Strunk and White wrote that the Anglo-Saxon tongue is livelier than the Latin tongue, and that we should prefer the Anglo-Saxon. Tolkien preferred Germanic words over Latinate words. All of these writers seem to agree that Germanic words are more straightforward and concrete than Latinate words, which seems relevant to the question of whether learning Latin improves exactness of thought. Which of the following do you prefer: RESIDENCE or HOUSE; CONSUME or EAT; ILLUMINATION or LIGHT; INCINERATE or BURN; ANIMATE or ALIVE; COGNIZANT or AWARE; INUNDATION or FLOOD; BOVINE or COW?

  • @thepostgradyear
    @thepostgradyear9 күн бұрын

    Education, Education, Education 👀 I would love to see a video in which you to write out how to implement some of the education related things in our current education system. Would it simply start as a statewide "classics credit"? In which every student in your state would be required to take at least one of the following: Greek, Latin, grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, music, and maybe agriculture or farming? As part of a high school diploma, an additional graduate requirement, a fully funded summer school/camp/voucher program, shattering the normal high school experience into specific life paths? Btw if you're going to read about modern European education in attempt to work backwards I highly recommend the German Gymnasium wiki article for being filled with hilarious titles like: ""Great equaliser" or "breeding ground of privilege"?". As someone who went to an old school with old values: I think that learning Latin and Ancient Greek brings many benefits such as clarity of mind but also come with many cons. If someone is planning on living life with precision it often requires a certain level of wealth, stability, and/or order. Trying to live life according to some sort of golden path sounds nice but the transition phase can be quite troublesome. If everything is perfectly calibrated it can get knocked out of place when we change our clocks twice a year, or when talking to adults that aren't even at an 8th grade reading level and explaining each individual word used, expressing everything accurately might be quite risky if at the bottom of the totem pole, etc. But it's not just precise and accurate thought not meshing properly. If for example someone with autism is raised with an education of under stimulation, they won't know how to interact with people who communicate through memes and vibes. Hot take: I think level 1 of 5 languages is better for most people than level 5 in 1 for an intro to that society.

  • @stretmediq
    @stretmediq8 күн бұрын

    With technology taking over so many jobs we have a choice before us. We can just devolve into blubbering couch potatoes drooling over the latest video games from the time we get up to when we go to bed or we can use the classics as what Mortimer Adler called a sharpening stone to improve our minds and give meaning to our lives

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    8 күн бұрын

    Exactly. It’s a tough choice because it so easy now days to scroll and do. Nothing vs actively pursue something of difficultly. And then there is the hoping that this great easy life we all live now days continues and nothing collapses back into chaos. In perspective of history, we live in some pretty dangerous good times.

  • @Kl-rr7pm
    @Kl-rr7pm5 күн бұрын

    👌🥇🇬🇷

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    5 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much for watching my friend and stay blessed!

  • @Kl-rr7pm

    @Kl-rr7pm

    Күн бұрын

    Thank you. I wish you and your family all the best.

  • @JamesAdams-ev6fc
    @JamesAdams-ev6fc9 күн бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @The_Cause

    @The_Cause

    9 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much James! I truly appreciate the kindness. Your generosity means a lot! Stay blessed my friend!

  • @JamesAdams-ev6fc

    @JamesAdams-ev6fc

    9 күн бұрын

    @@The_Cause I think that you are on to something useful and good with this channel and my hope is that a way can be found to support it. There is nothing wrong with flooding KZread with channels full of interesting content, especially given the rest of the content and the rest of the media.