The answer is he doesn't

This video is, as far as a single man video edited production on $0 budget goes: A masterpiece

You have a gift for explaining complex ideas efficiently and in a way I can understand. Thank you for all your amazing content.

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

The irony is that Charlie doesn't play based on idea "fuck GTO" - he actually studied gto play very well and found a way to exploit the players those somehow understands it not on the same level

@ticenits1926

8 ай бұрын

he's not really exploiting them though, he's just randomly clicking buttons to CoNfUsE ThEm, which is basically just exploiting himself. Yes he's going to get players to overfold and overcall sometimes by just spastically betting 5x pot on the flop or 10x pot on the river, but because his opponent is playing GTO charlie doesnt really know what he ever has, he's just guessing and hoping for the best. "He cant call this bet without ace high or the nuts, so lets just hope he has neither!"

@frankboy619

2 ай бұрын

@@ticenits1926not at all he is controlling what gto situation they are in making folding the profitable gto play for the opponent

@Ac3p3rgAA

2 ай бұрын

it`s mostly players who say that they "play gto" that actually have no clue what gto means

@williamdavis2505

Ай бұрын

Exactly! GTO is the baseline by which exploitable is defined. Only departures from GTO are exploitable.

The main question to me is do regs fold all of their T9o/T8o on the flop and what does the opponent do with 3X no flush draw on the turn. The solver calls some Tc9x/JT hands and floats T2hh on the flop and if he overfolds a little or puts those types of hands in the flop raising range then he’ll have a lot less Tx value on the river. In addition, the solver pure folds 3X no FD on the turn so if he’s sometimes calling that then he’ll have more bluffs on the river.

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

I think those are fair points-only thing I would add is that if people are calling with naked 3x on the turn, then bluffing for 2x pot becomes terrible.

Frequencies are important, as you said the cbet in this video. Do you think villain's calling range composition is important too? I mean, is it a good cost/benefit, or its better to work just with frequencies. In this cenario for example, to the stab for BB would be much more relevant the Charlie's raise/fold frequencies, to the point that look at his calling composition would not worth it at all. I ask because I did a MDA with just using frequencies (river using composition of villain bets and raises of course), but wonder if it would be good to do with their calling river composition for example, for fishs maybe even more, since they are too imbalanced. Maybe even with overfold would be logical to value bet thin, because the range is so weak

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Yes, composition is important too. A common example is when we are check calling the flop vs IP cbet. If IP is double barreling turn too often, that alone makes us want to overfold flop. But if the extra turn barrels are mostly coming from good hands, then that actually makes us want to float wider on the flop. We don't mind check folding our floats on the turn vs his good hands, and we also have an extremely profitable river probe after turn goes check check.

@CristianGVB

Жыл бұрын

I see, I wonder if composition of villain that is calling is important (compared to frequencies of fold and raises). Maybe on river is my guess, but didnt come to a conclusion. Did one MDA based on frequencies, and analysint if is a good cost/benefit to do with calling range composition

Could you give me your thoughts about 2 things? (Considering anonymous pool and none deception is needed) River scary in a board that has sizing down with value IP by theory for example. Lets say villain has call GTO vs pot and 5% overfold vs 50%. Exploitative we should bet always pot as value right? Same with Turn Barrel in a Flush card, If there is overcall or overfold vs This size, we can always overbet exploitative with 2p lets say vs overcall, or bluff vs overfold, even if max size is 75%. Thanks for the content

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

The answer to both questions is no. If you have a hand that is strong enough to bet pot, you actually lose EV when you bet 50% pot. So villain has to be overfolding by quite a bit to overcome this EV loss, and make you want to size down.

Thanks for a new video!

if I was him I would also play one way on stream and another off stream....

6:50 CMIIW, but sometimes solver can bet bigger than geometric even with invulnerable nuts in order to protect weaker hands that prefer this big size. As long as the defender's raising frequency against this big size is high enough, the nuts should be indifferent.

@PokerGiraffe

11 ай бұрын

That’s an interesting point-it definitely applies to when we bet smaller than geometric and our opponent starts raising a lot. But I haven’t really seen any cases of us going bigger than geometric with fullhouses etc. Maybe because the bigger-than-geometric range is so polarised that our opponent shouldn’t really be raising much?

This kind of reminds me of the Stu Ungar hand where he calls the river all-in with ten high.

@PokerGiraffe

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha, funny to see you here. I loved your Matt Berkey parody!

If I have 2 GTO bots that are similar in every way, playing the same gameplan vs each other except on one node, on the river one of the bots removes all bluffs. both bots have a set/locked strategy. which bot would win long-term?

@PokerGiraffe

10 ай бұрын

If you ignore blockers then both bots would break even, but considering blocker effects the bot playing GTO would win. The best bluffs in any spot are typically +EV, and underbluffing bot is going to be missing all of them.

@vecter

2 ай бұрын

@@PokerGiraffe wdym "if you ignore blockers"

Charlie has no data to prove his edge.

@contemplationsobservings6591

9 ай бұрын

Except the millions of $ he has won. Other than that yeah, no data.

@pierrearr

Ай бұрын

​@@contemplationsobservings6591You think that money came from gto nerds? Lol.

@Romans8-9

Ай бұрын

@@contemplationsobservings6591 He's talking about cash not MTT.

@dinglepants

14 күн бұрын

​@@pierrearr Yes. The largest and most plentiful fish in the sea.

I remember watching this guy doing a BR challenge and he couldn't even beat NL5 and NL10 on stars. He stacked off plenty of times doing similar calls, trying the soulreads, but is wrong like 90% of the time.Sure, it looks good when he nails it, but the rest of the time he just looks like a huge fish to me.

Charlie does not strike me as a guy who actually eats breakfast.

Sites and screennames you play on, QY?

@PokerGiraffe

11 ай бұрын

I play live, online poker is banned in my country.

Amazing video!!

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Pan!

Isn't he actually doing sthg like playing closer to gto than those he's playing aginst? After all 2 barrelling on a paired board is sensible some percentage of time

@PokerGiraffe

11 ай бұрын

Very possible!

If we know that Charlie is overbluffing the turn to generate folds from Ahi, wouldn't it be more profitable to call our Ahi on the flop and then continue calling on the turn to gain EV from his bluffs (which is a large portion of his range if not his whole range using this size). On the turn the pot is larger and mistakes are magnified. Of course raising the flop with Ahi and Khi is also +EV vs Charlies' over cbetting, wouldn't it be even more +EV if we call and let him punt in a bigger pot on later street? P.S. I know it is complicated in a GTO world as GTO also consider things like equity denial and realization.

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

That’s a great point! If we knew Charlie had some huge imbalance on later streets (betting huge with bluffs, small with value) then the EV of calling flop skyrockets. But I still prefer raising flop because 1) It relies on less assumptions 2) We deny some equity against his bluffs

@georgekouremenos9473

Жыл бұрын

what giraffe said but also on a basic lvl what ppl hate when they bet is getting raised when they are IP and getting called when they are OOP

I suspect a lot of youtubers in an activity like poker are nowhere near as good as they are perceived to be at poker but the perception + sctick helps get subs = €££

came on mate , you don t do breakfast

Interesting video - at the risk of stating the obvious, Charlie *isn't* exploiting GTO players. He's exploiting players because they aren't playing GTO. By definition, GTO players cannot be exploited (though of course in practice no player can truly follow a strategy so complex).

As you imply Charlie cannot exploit perfect GTO play. He can exploit the mistakes a GTO-ish player makes since they cannot play a perfect GTO strategy. Once we find what Charlie is doing he is open to being exploited himself. I like Charlie but he cannot beat perfect GTO by playing exloitively, he can only lose more.

@On3Thought

11 ай бұрын

He cant exploit no one except low stake players.

@beherapunya21

11 ай бұрын

​@@On3Thought200nl is low stakes for you?

@benscott633

11 ай бұрын

Nobody can play perfect gto. Simply not possible. He's just exploiting the shortcuts that gto players take and to do so he needs an incredible understanding of gto himself.

@UnderEstimated0Poker

11 ай бұрын

except no one plays perfect gto play

@ETBrooD

11 ай бұрын

@@benscott633 By definition, GTO players cannot be exploited. If they take shortcuts that leave them exploitable, they're not GTO players.

Poker is a cool game

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Indeed!

with just this hand,I think we could overfold flop with weak hands like air/2h and slowplay our strong hands,call with pair+ with bd and it will be profitable to increase flop bluff raise fre with blockers,anyway still very ambitious to call river shove with Qh, surprised me. btw nice video Giraffe!I like your video not only because the h-quality but also the way you speaking,the smooth n moderate pace n clear pronunciation are very comfortable

Love from Singapore bro

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro!

Charlie likes to paint a false image that he’s some poker god to feed his ego by hiding all his bad results and only showing the good. He’s ok at exploiting weak players like in MTTs 5 years ago and the fish tank of low stakes GG but has been losing at poker for the past 5 years Whenever he’s tried to play actual good players who’ve studied GTO he gets destroyed as you can see on tracking sites the graph is nearly as poor as his singing

@2Obwishes

Жыл бұрын

which site? let me have look pls

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Somehow I’m more interested in his singing…

@susymay7831

Жыл бұрын

What is Charlie's online name?

the answer is simple. He does not. That´s why he didn´t even wanna do that prob bet 4bb/100 at RNC 200. I would bet my whole networth against him

@mikegoodwin5951

Жыл бұрын

He didnt want to prop bet because high stakes guys were going to join the pool to fuck up the challenge

@robertleeson1614

Жыл бұрын

damn, you really willing to bet an entire 50 bucks?

@mattsmith9968

Жыл бұрын

@@mikegoodwin5951 no it is not the reason, because high stakes guys would lose more EV playing nl200 rnc

@mattsmith9968

Жыл бұрын

and after today´s patch at GG i would even take a loan to bet against him :D

Understanding gto means u exploit

@PokerGiraffe

11 ай бұрын

Well said!

top !!

Tip, don’t put stuff in text when you’re talking. People aren’t that smart.

I thought he made a living selling live tells and pseudo scientific spiritual twatwaffle.

Not the dude making the video but for the solver nerds in the comments looking down on exploitative poker bro get off the horse you mofos ain't playing anywhere near "perfect gto" not to mention even computers can't do that otherwise ruse wouldn't have been able to beat the next best solver for 19bbs/100 hands

"FUCK GTO"😂

I don’t think it’s a totally anti Gto it’s just reversed engineered you are making them make the right Gto play.

Lol,Gto itself means playing a strategy that's unbeatable

@andersnielsen6044

11 ай бұрын

And not winning.

@notthatguy4703

Ай бұрын

No human plays gto

LOLOL so yeah just flop trips?? Genius stuff, other wise just hand him all the monies til we broke. Or.... learn to play exploitive as well. How often do we flop trips?? Gto is great to learn and understand, makes playing against other gto that much easier. Like charlie seems to do well. He never has trips here, cause its hard to even make a pair. Bluff all air, play draws fast and call down with top of range. Gotta be most profitable in these spots

@Zergosss

11 ай бұрын

yep, that's the correct answer; irl you don't have infinity time to wait for trips, or trips with better kicker

Wtf is a GTO player ??🤷‍♂️

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Haha who knows? Probably someone who tries to copy GTO

All poker coaches have the same thing in common, they all make $0 playing online poker.

@ghostbr9136

Ай бұрын

lololol 😂😂😂

Dumb title. GTO is by definition unexploitable. Learn some game theory.

@patrick-fs2uh

4 ай бұрын

Hahaha not how that works little buddy

@williamdavis2505

4 ай бұрын

@@patrick-fs2uh condescending and wrong both - not your little buddy. Equilibrium strategies are by definition unexploitable.

@patrick-fs2uh

4 ай бұрын

@@williamdavis2505 lol Karen

@williamdavis2505

4 ай бұрын

@@patrick-fs2uh troll

@notthatguy4703

Ай бұрын

@@williamdavis2505No human plays gto, meaning gto players are exploitable.

The problem with these solvers is you cant solve for stupid. Not that charlie is stupid, but 99% of players are. GTO is too rigid, if all one must do is over bet and it breaks the solver. These massive overbets are pure profit.

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily! EV is the ratio of risk vs reward-so even if you can get your opponent to fold a ton, it doesn’t mean anything if you have to risk twice the pot to do it. Against such a big turn bet, BB needs to fold hands as strong as Tx at some frequency. Otherwise Charlie’s bluffs become straight up -EV.

@Alexandertygreat

Жыл бұрын

@@PokerGiraffe Agreed, i will say when i wrote my post i did not watch a single video on solvers and the new meta of NLHE. Your making great content. I played online and live professionally a decade + ago. I took so lessons with one of the best coaches of that era MDMA from Swe, he put 100% emphasis on purely polar play. These videos and how popular PLO has become has me very interested in poker again after losing the love for it. Thanks for making great content and taking the time to respond. Love how deep the math has come and how having q better understanding of GTO can improve exploitive play as well.. cheers

@PokerGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

Yes, poker has come a long way in the last decade! If you’re looking to get into solvers, this video might help: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoGBrMufp9HReaw.html