What a waste of bandwidth

@matthewrease2376

Ай бұрын

I mean the packets probably aren't huge. I'd be more concerned about the principle of data collection than the bandwidth it uses.

@5Hydroxytryptophan

Ай бұрын

​@@matthewrease2376 I think the comment was about the video.. it is Rather lacking content and advertises a paid tool.

@lmaoboxuser

Ай бұрын

paid??​@@5Hydroxytryptophan

@xXRealXx

Ай бұрын

@@5Hydroxytryptophan O&O Shutup is free

@5Hydroxytryptophan

Ай бұрын

@@xXRealXx Okay, good to know. I'm not using Windows anymore. But still, the video has really little information.. the telemetry is not immediate, so he should have invested more time into research.

With computers getting more powerful, the OS's on them seem to be running slower. Such a weird coincidence.

@Doomsdayparade

Ай бұрын

Linux is significantly better in that regard. Even on the more heavyweight distros.

@kevinrineer5356

Ай бұрын

I'm going to echo @Doomsdayparade that I've noticed Microsoft Windows has quite a few design decisions that make it run poorly. The stuffing ads, recommendations, ai, and a whole bunch of other features while the Microsoft kernel already isn't good at handing starting and stopping processes quickly is my guess as to why. I think the Microsoft kernel is an unwieldy Frankenstein of engineering make up decisions that the technical debt of the kernel is probably insurmountable. I don't work at Microsoft, so I I'm only positing my guess based off being IT support.

@p0xygen

Ай бұрын

​@@kevinrineer5356It's to be expected when Microsoft keeps building upon a system that never had a good foundation in the first place, while trying to keep everything from 25+ years ago compatible with today's systems.

@DraxilSpada-vc2wg

Ай бұрын

Windows 11, still compatible with Windows 3 applications[Windows 3, still compatible with QDOS applications!]. This is what we like to call the "tower of bubble gum and popsicle sticks"

@Nikolai508

Ай бұрын

By OS you mean Windows, Linux these days is so easy I don’t know why more people haven’t moved to it.

Doing anything locally on your system shouldn't require an internet connection.

@EraYaN

Ай бұрын

But having search suggestions shown is not “doing something locally” now is it? And frankly opening a program these days also isn’t most of them fire off at least one update check request or just a data request to get your login state, avatar etc.

@user-in2cs1vp6o

Ай бұрын

​@@EraYaNThe people complaining about telemetry are not the people who want internet search in their task bar. Kinda irrelevant

@nezu_cc

Ай бұрын

Well it doesn't "require" a connection, never did, but it will use one if it's available.

@Shizaho

29 күн бұрын

@@EraYaN If I type something in the search bar, I want it to search my computer. If I type something in a search engine in my browser, I want it to search the internet. Simple as that.

@oo--7714

24 күн бұрын

​@@user-in2cs1vp6ointernet searcg is fine on a taskbar.

AMD, Intel: "IPC has increased!" Microsoft: "Good, let's waste that IPC with telemetry and tell users they need to upgrade their hardware so they don't notice."

@macicoinc9363

Ай бұрын

It’s really quite beautiful isn’t it? The decades and trillions of dollars in hardware research just being thrown away to give you utter garbage.

@deathhog

Ай бұрын

​@@macicoinc9363Not thrown away at all. It gets daddy Microsoft more money. They love it.

@TheBigLou13

Ай бұрын

All in the name of Privacy, Security and Safety!

There should be zero collection, your tolerance is the problem.

@Max15691

Ай бұрын

Problem is that most software do this stuff already, even the beloved Firefox, so I can get why he has some tolerance 😢

@TVPInterpolation

Ай бұрын

depends on the perspective. im against how microsoft is handling the data, not that they collect data. users usually dont do proper bug reports, so telemetry for this case as an example would be beneficial.

@Carlos-kh5qu

Ай бұрын

​​@@TVPInterpolation funny enough, a gamedev on reddit said that despite being only 13% of the playerbase, Linux users were responsible for 60% of bug reports on his game and would go till the end to help out

@ilonachan

Ай бұрын

​@@Max15691 but that's not really an excuse, is it. First of all, non-optional telemetry is ILLEGAL. Just plain up not allowed under EU law, and they do that shit anyway. Second, even open source software that has telemetry will by necessity be more transparent about it, and more open to allowing the user to disable it, which already improves the situation.

@LilZesty

Ай бұрын

@@Carlos-kh5qu this is nothing more than a reference to a racist joke. that 'gamedev' aint telling the truth

Every breath you take And every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take it'll be watching you

The fact that it sends something to their servers while I am _not_ doing anything that would require access to a server somewhere not on my premises is enough for me!

@gabriel55ita

3 күн бұрын

Literally requests for windows update or apps install and update related. It's not new ms collect a lot of data but you can disable it and it won't anymore. Telemetry is good when it is clearly stated what it does and what data it collects, with the possibility to disable it. For example for an application crash report it's very useful to the developers because most of the time a user won't send it manually

We get robbed twice. We pay a bucket load of money for a OS and then we get our data stolen.

@debrainwasher

Ай бұрын

This is the Economy 4.0 according to its inventor Klaus Schwab (also founder of the WEF): Everything is turned into a service. A purchase does not longer constitute property, but is in fact a license to use a particular good for a limited amount of time and in accordance with the marketing concepts of the supplier. Therefore, you own nothing. Not even your data, your time and your attention. But you will be happy. Welcome in the really existing neofeudalism!

@Tantakugames

Ай бұрын

who tf pays for windows?

@doughnut_panda

Ай бұрын

@@Tantakugames my company.

@steel5897

Ай бұрын

I don't pay a cent and I block 95% of the telemetry (the 5% is required for some core stuff to function). I'd have dropped Windows for Linux if didn't use my PC primarily for gaming.

@doughnut_panda

Ай бұрын

@@steel5897 if I get a inspection you know what happens.

I expect the camera on my Windows laptop to follow what I look at and lower my social credit score appropriately

@lordsmeagol3390

Ай бұрын

That's sure to be the case in China!

@DuncDog

Ай бұрын

If the cameras on the majority of Windows notebooks weren't dogshit, that may actually be a threat lol.

@SirRichard94

Ай бұрын

​@@lordsmeagol3390that is already a thing in america. Many jobs require you to be tracked like that.

@Cybercerialdestroyer

Ай бұрын

@@lordsmeagol3390 dude stop deflecting all of this on China this is about America

@frizzyfrank2985

7 күн бұрын

@@Cybercerialdestroyerum last time I checked China legitimately has a social credit score program and the US does not

The thing with the XML messages not showing up correctly is because Windows still uses UTF-16 for some godforsaken reason.

@pawer_themaw

Ай бұрын

"CoMpAtIbIlITy!!!!11!1!"

The future turned out not only malicious, but kind of braindead too. The sheer waste, the sloppiness in obfuscation, the passivity of the general population.

@mekelopte7071

Ай бұрын

Unwashed masses accepting malovent rulers to guide them through age. Classic

@macicoinc9363

Ай бұрын

@@mekelopte7071 You smite the people, and not the oppressor? It sounds like you are no different than then those responsible for this mess.

@magoleo-pr7if

Ай бұрын

Dumb people being dumb and evil corporations being evil are not mutually exclusive things

@mekelopte7071

Ай бұрын

@@macicoinc9363 How can single man rule over so many people sounds like all of them are NPCs and deserve it. Nom im sayin

It doesn't matter what information Windows is publishing. What matters is, that it does without us wanting to and without us having another choice than not even using a PC anymore - unless we are using Linux.

@woodsmn8047

Ай бұрын

also the slowdown of your system while it's collecting this data ...that's the part I most dislike !

@felixjohnson3874

Ай бұрын

"Ignoring the alternatives, there are no alternatives!"

@nolram

Ай бұрын

Or BSD :)

@whoman0385

Ай бұрын

​@@nolram"damn linux is becoming too popular, time to switch to bsd"

@nolram

Ай бұрын

@@whoman0385 nah I just like BSD :)

I permanently switched to Linux over four years ago. My only regret is that I didn't do it much earlier.

@Holahelloholahello

Ай бұрын

What distro?

@kmg501

Ай бұрын

@@Holahelloholahello Linux Mint.

@TwstedTV

Ай бұрын

I did the same thing as soon as Windows 10 came out. I used Manjaro for a long time. Now I am on both original Debian KDE on one computer and the other on EndeavourOS KDE. I had to change that purple blob though. To a normal background and look. 😋👍

@te-weikaigai1836

Ай бұрын

@@TwstedTV Debian KDE, too. It's simply better. 👍

@c101vp

Ай бұрын

Same here, did it a year ago, wanted to like three years ago

As a personal user you at least have a choice. Imagine large companies in sensitive areas like medicine, which are basically forced to use windows to maintain compatibility.

No kind or amount of collection is acceptable. Every time I see something about Windows, I'm glad I switched to Linux.

@Slugbunny

Ай бұрын

It's been a load off my mind, too. No system is perfect, but I can easily choose my battles and who to trust on Linux. Microsoft left me no choice.

@TVPInterpolation

Ай бұрын

i would totally agree if user would be easier to deal with when it comes to bug reports. for such cases, i think its totally fair to collect data.

@gregcampwriter

Ай бұрын

@@TVPInterpolation That should be solely the user's choice. No corporation has any business making that decision for me.

@TVPInterpolation

Ай бұрын

@@gregcampwriter i see what you mean, but this is only properly possible in a perfect world where everybody reports bugs in proper fashion. do we want buggy software? no. do we want bugs fixed fast? yes. then its just a necessity in many situations. im not happy in how microsoft handles the collection of data, but can atleast see a few reasons aside from ad businesses in general.

@norger

Ай бұрын

@@TVPInterpolation don't be a shill, there are better and more straightforward ways to report bugs

The real problem was that all these data are binded with your Microsoft account, which is being forced on, no local account allowed. Every pieces of data can be used to profile an user all together. They know your name, location, when to use what software and device with what behavior. The OS SHOULD NOT transmit anything encrypted to any server when running a local app without a need of internet, if it's encoded with some string that you don't know the actual meaning, you don't actually know what they transmitted. And, all these should be DEFUALT OFF, and ask if users are willing to share the record of their behavior to "help improving the development". The enrollment should not be default on. Even you thought some should be turned off, and yet, they're default on.

@WeinerTouchy

Ай бұрын

There are still ways to enable local accounts only - which I agree are hoops that shouldn't be forced to jump through - but at the same time it's a beast of two heads. I'd say that 90% of users got an upgrade to Windows 11 for free - free software isn't free. You're going to pay with data. Apple has collected the same data for decades across their entire ecosystem and no one throws a fit about it the same way they do with Microsoft. At the end of the day, if you really don't want to send data, pony up the extra $50 and upgrade your Windows version and run a local account from the start.

@te-weikaigai1836

Ай бұрын

@@WeinerTouchy 1. If the local user needs a workaround, then 90% of the user will be milked, workaround exist doesn't meant it's not a problem. And, even if you activate local user, it only solve half of the problem. 2. If you pay for a new license, you won't get a different windows, they're the same. I just set a media machine for elder relatives last year, I bought an official license for them, and it's the same. You paid and you still get milked. 3. At the end of the day, I really don't want to send data at this level, so I migrated to Debian, FYI. Microsoft can do whatever they want, and you can accept it if you like to, it's not my problem anymore.

@WeinerTouchy

Ай бұрын

@@te-weikaigai1836 No one said anything about buying a new license. Buy the Pro edition. Solves all your issues. Local user and fully able to disable telemetry. Otherwise, enjoy your free upgrade and send data. Really no further discussion to be had.

@computernerd8157

Ай бұрын

​​@@WeinerTouchyApple does collect data but its no where near windows bull shit levels. Last I check key loggers were not included on Macs but Windows have them since 10. Make a video proving it just as bad then I will shut up, but I used Apples before and I never had shit like this shoved down my throat like I have endured when I switched to Windows xp, Windows 8 and breifly 10 on a hp stream lol. I stopped using Windows because they flat out said Windows is a services. 8 was already forcing Windows account down my throat which is funny. Every new version, Microsoft gotta force some new thing. I used Mac classic all the way to 10 and no, I never had shit like this forced on me. Linux was totally freedom until Ubuntu Amazon deal. I swicthed to a Ubuntu Mate because I liked the interface better at the time. However the Mac os 11 Might require an account for certain featured similar to Windows but if they did, its to make the walled garden work better(Not sure if they actiually do) not just to force something with absolute no benfit to the user unlike Windows. I quit using those systems as my primary a long time ago. All I can say is if you have no interest in the mac eco system then their no point to it but Micrsoft does not even offer an ecosystem at all so it only befits Microsoft to be fair. The only thing I like about Apple is their computers but planned Obsolences is the one thing I hate about Macs.

@gabriel55ita

3 күн бұрын

The majority of applications and systems have telemetry default enabled and ask at initial startup if you want it or not, macOS same thing (it asks for a lot of shit that is enabled by default so you need to disable it on the setup page, just like windows)

Win11 literly forced me to exchange the perfect standard email app i had for outlook and now there is adds in my mail program disquised as regular mails. I mean are they for real? I seriously need to concider using linux.

@TVPInterpolation

Ай бұрын

definitely worth to do so

@simonmaracine4721

Ай бұрын

100% recommend. I have been using Linux for the past six years.

@dazperson8228

Ай бұрын

A temporary solution is Thunderbird, have been using it for a while now and it works well.

@Blankult

Ай бұрын

Linux makes me want to carve my brain out

@karsh001

Ай бұрын

If you are serious about switching. Get an easy-to-use distro on a thumb drive and try running it for a bit. My favourite is Mint, and my kid is using Nobara as his daily driver.

By 4:10 I'm like... dude, you're just opening paint. What in the absolute heck. This is crazy.

@ferabon

Ай бұрын

But I mean, who the hell cares whether or not Microsoft knows if you've opened Paint? Why should I care about this?

@IshayuG

Ай бұрын

@@ferabon because them caring about something so hilariously trivial begs the question of what they have enough control to do when the stakes are higher. For example on iOS it was discovered that they constantly read your clipboard with linkedin and sucked it up into the cloud, after which we have no idea what happened to it. This is potentially outright dangerous. For example it may contain a password from my password manager, and then there’s political espionage. This sort of trivial info can be used as secondary information, too. For example, a declaration of war can be predicated through a large amount of pizza deliveries to state offices in DC. In this case it’s probably a signgature check, but I don’t like it. Apps I open on my device for local use should not be hopping onto the internet.

@everypizza

Ай бұрын

@@ferabon they don't need to know when i open up paint let me paint in peace please

@romulo2714

Ай бұрын

​@@ferabon Why should they know I'm opening paint? Also people who got nothing to hide did get screwed over data collection before, don't think you're safe just because you're a saint.

@Tiishen

Ай бұрын

​​​@@ferabon because why would they want/need to know your every click? I mean, forget the fact this telemetry data is being used for profit in some way (like selling to advertisers, etc.) and the fact data can be mishandled or stolen. Even if they weren't doing anything besides collecting it - it's the principle Think of it this way: You rent an apartment and there's cameras and microphones set up by the owner, which record everything 24/7/365 and send it to his personal PC. They're in every single room, even the bathroom and your bedroom. Would you really be okay with him having your whole life recorded on tape, even if you're not doing anything illegal or questionable?

9:36 _"I'm not personally worried about all this information"_ It's not just about the information, it's also about the fact theyre using your computers resources/cpu/memory/bandwidth, and also what theyre doing with the information they collect.

I don't want my OS spying on me, even if it's - allegedly - to send bug reports. I also want choice in the matter of what my OS is doing rather than having that choice taken away from me. These are big reasons why I use Linux.

@macicoinc9363

Ай бұрын

If it was for bug reports, then Windows wouldn't be a steaming pile of fucking shit that never works properly.

@FloppaTheBased

Ай бұрын

what exactly linux? Most linux distros collect data just like windows does lmao

@unicornpoo7441

12 күн бұрын

@@FloppaTheBased me when i spread misinformation on the internet

I just cant believe with all the information coming out as well as being crippled with use and account creation there has not been any kind of class action lawsuit yet or at least the starting of one.

Switched to linux 6 years ago, never looked back.

That 404 for the tip retrieval is pretty hilarious. Reminds me of how after a few years, Windows Vista's link in the desktop context menu for 'Windows Gadgets' would lead you to a 404 page.

I call it "Winbloat"

@dsobransingh

Ай бұрын

based pfp

@Foga001

Ай бұрын

Let me guess, what do you use.... Mac os, right? XD I use Win 7 btw...

@KingPotato2

Ай бұрын

​@@Foga001thats an og os. The good ol days of win7.

@no_one484

Ай бұрын

@@dsobransingh ummmmm i use arch btw 🤑🤓

@Krrly

Ай бұрын

amazing pfp

This is insane. The sheer volume of information transmitted is insane. Just using and navigating the system shouldn't make a single call in my opinion.

That smug feeling you get when you fullscreen the video and there are no black bars.

You should activate differing of updates for the average user, because it differs security updates for a few days and feature updates for 1-2 years. this will make a windows system dramatically more stable over time as it's forcing your PC to not be a beta tester, plus it'll be less annoying since the end user will have to change their workflow less and won't have to reboot as often. I personally want as much performance as possible and having useless telmetry hits all the time is wasting bandwidth and cpu cycles for something I don't want.

@JessicaFEREM

Ай бұрын

the chris titus toolbox does do a lot of debloating that oosu10 doesn't, it does use oosu for part of it's telemetry disabling, but it also sets a ton of services manual so there will be less CPU cyles to run and a smaller attack vector because there's less things running in the BG.

@dennysgrimaldi9623

Ай бұрын

@@JessicaFEREM if you don't want telemetry, and an easy tool to manage this is WinTools, is simple with a good interface and it rember your choice even after an update from MS, so you don't have to disable telemetry all the time. Plus everything is well written so is not hard to use or understand, and it can performe other task other then this.

@KolaFiend

Ай бұрын

at that point it's worth it to just switch to LTSC windows 10 and receive only security updates + years of extended support. no app updates either cause there is no app store included. run the christitus debloat script for good measure

@PITZ24701

Ай бұрын

Or have a registry hack that can defer Windows Updates to decades.

Interesting video always good to see what goes on behind the scenes, makes it easier to figure out what to disable.

As a user and admin of Windows machines for a small company, I was really surprised when Windows 10 seemingly "backtracked" to users finding apps on the system by typing in the name. It seemed to be the opposite of the intentions of a GUI. I see the reason now. It's tracking and sending, silently in the background. Can I just get a security-patched Windows 2000 again please? Back when everything wasn't a damn keylogger.

Great to see practically how Windows collects data and how O&O can be useful! Thanks for the video!

O&O shutup 10: fighting proprietary software with more proprietary software lol.

And this is why I refuse to use Winblows

@Chibibowa

Ай бұрын

Use NTLite with a good profile. And all what mainstream media says falls out the window. Nothing he mentions happens on my images. And I currently use 24H2 LTSC. See windows XP+7? Well I have the exact same user experience. Even UAC is neutered and standard users can never elevate no matter what they do.

Not sure that I'd call it spying, they tell you that your searches are sent to a server in the privacy settings. Logically, if you want results from the web in Windows search, then your searches have to go to the web. The only real issue I see is that it should be much easier to disable web searching.

@arahman56

7 күн бұрын

More like it should be disabled BY DEFAULT.

that is unfortunate. i'd love few guides on setting up something as this. i can't express how valuable your youtube channel is to me.

That was an interesting watch, thanks! I found your channel from your single GPU passthrough video which was very useful. Do you still plan to do a video on kernel level anticheats? I think that'd be a good watch!

@EricParker

Ай бұрын

Yes I do! Would love to know if there's anything specific that you would find interesting. Doing this level of analysis is tricky becuase I don't think vanguard uses HTTP to communicate.

@Leonard_MT

Ай бұрын

​@@EricParkerWhat about EFI based cheats? Those sound extremely interesting .

@WhoooshyYT

Ай бұрын

Cheat-related stuff would be cool

@DictateTempo

Ай бұрын

​@@EricParkerYeah, it'd be hard to determine what kernel ACs are actually doing, you pretty much have to trust the privacy policies on that. I think an overview of the main ACs (such as whether they run at boot time etc), the associated risks (Genshin is a good case study) and any mitigation steps (dual booting if you daily Linux?) would make a good video. Either way, keep up the good content, it's really engaging.

If you don't trust a command prompt window that you CAN see open when you run a cracked game, you shouldn't trust any of the silent shuffling of data that's going on in the background of Windows that you CAN'T see.

The NSA collects it. Windows just sends it.

@tiaanbasson9092

Ай бұрын

That's what a lot of users don't seem to get, that corporations have contractual obligations towards government institutions. Any company that grows massively out of the blue in a short period of time should not be trusted as some of the early investors tend to be the government.

@ghost-user559

Ай бұрын

@@tiaanbasson9092yeah and its also what Linux users don’t get. Why do you think those exact agents contribute and control the Kernel of Linux and the Linux foundation lol?

@notyourfox

Ай бұрын

@@ghost-user559 show me that extent of telemetry in open source Linux kernel

@macicoinc9363

Ай бұрын

@@ghost-user559 You are correct, but it is definitely to a far lesser extent. You'd have to be suffering from intellectual pride to believe that the Linux Kernel is not compromised in some way, whether Torvalds is aware of it or not.

@domdomdomme1203

Ай бұрын

@@tiaanbasson9092does that also apply if you are outside of the US and are not a citizen?

very informative video

How did you create this setup? Is their any resource I can refer to?

I think the biggest issues are that it's opt-out only and that a good chunk of this data collection cannot be toggled off by a normal user. You either have to dig through registry entries and hope you don't break the whole OS or rely on a 3rd party tool, which, of course, is all by design.

I’m confused. None of those API calls were really that suspicious? No doubt Microsoft collects everything they can but I didn’t see anything in the video specifically

@catsandmountains

Ай бұрын

It's the unnecessary data that's being sent almost constantly. It can be used for user fingerprinting and who else knows what. Telemetry data was a lead into a malicious Microsoft teams hack. Ideally you want to just have that activity only when necessary.

If you really gotta use windows, disable as much telemetry as possible, and use a dns sinkhole like pihole on the local network with a telemetry block list to block incoming and outgoing telemetry requests.

Recently found ur channel love ur malware analysis videos. Do you have a discord?

Very informative, thank you.

Hi Eric, what a great effort! We would really like to see the same thing for macOS too!

Hey chief, found your channel recently. Amazing videos! I'm interested in how you setup your network logger and what you setup for your W10 / W11 vms to bypass VM Protection. If you could make some kind of video or point us somewhere for the network logger that would be amazing.

Can you share what kind of linux you were using? Distro, DE, VM software, all that stuff.

Future reference, you can use ctrl+esc in windows to open the start menu that way you don't accidentally open KDE Plasma's application launcher lol.

wow. Thank you for sharing this.

would you be able to do something like this with Tiny10/11?

Is there no way to block programs to send data to Microsoft? Which executable(s) is responsible for "phoning home"?

@southof.nowhere6096

Ай бұрын

That's what was done in the video. None the less, I'd imagine most of this stuff is built in to existing structural executables. Things that if one were to delete, would simply break the entire operating system.

I love these videos!

Does he mention how much of the telemetry can be diusabled and how much the minimum still collects?

@josephbryanasuncion4904

Ай бұрын

Hmmm,did you see the actual pass 50% of the video? Because that is exactly what he do.

Did windows silently allow you to forge their SSL certificate? Makes tapping this data trivial if thats the case.

Great, thank you! Subscribed! All!

Can you test this on a customized Win. To see if there is any one thats safe. I currently use a Win10 curomized using various tool. I tried with 11 once but disabled so many things I broke some of its functions hahaha. Went back to my own made Slim10. Or maybe there are better tools to modify 11 since I tried.

What telemetry with "limited data" enabled?

I really need to switch to linux

@JapaAppa

Ай бұрын

don't you need to know how to code or something to run linux?

@agiri891

Ай бұрын

@@JapaAppa uhhh no?

@Swedish__

Ай бұрын

@@JapaAppanot at all

@WodkaEclair

Ай бұрын

​@@JapaAppanah, I know fuck all about coding, I'm close to the most standard brain-dead PC user around and I switched to Ubuntu just fine. most of my games work fine (or, as fine as they can *on my specific hardware*). there's even other types of Linux that are even easier than Ubuntu. I find that Ubuntu does require some command line stuff every six months or so when it updates or when installing some weird niche thing. other than that, the only complication is the whole "oh god I'm used to stuff being in C:/ or programme files aaaaaaa where is it" but google helps there lol

@RationalBeing-rh1zf

Ай бұрын

​@@JapaAppaI know 0% of coding right now and I still know how to use Linux, linux isn't that hard nowadays especially with distro lioe linux mint etc

While I do need Windows for certain things, the fact that it's collecting anything at all without my permission is enough to keep it confined to a virtual machine with GPU passthrough to do what I need it to do, then go dark until I need it again.

@maalikserebryakov

Ай бұрын

There are debloated versions of windows OS. People analysed and stripped away the stuff that doesn’t need to be there

@VirtualAxiom

Ай бұрын

@@maalikserebryakov I'm aware, but I'd rather just use Linux and only pull up Windows as-needed. I don't trust it.

I was wondering if O&O actually worked. Nice.

New subscriber. Would you be willing to do a similar test with Ubuntu, (modern versions of Fedora Workstation), and PopOS? I think tons of people expect MS to be bad, but we're slowly experiencing this in mainstream Linux desktop distributions as well. It's not talked about nearly as much tho.

Only thing collected should be the stuff needed like apps downloaded for download numbers and stuff like that.

Better question though. What is the proxy you're using as it looks useful Edit: mitproxy

@paprikar

27 күн бұрын

You need to use something like Wireshark in this case

the best part is, it's only gonna get worse

does it send any data when you ctrl c ctrl v?

Does windows 10 do this too and did earlier versions of windows collect data? (8, 7, Vista, XP)

@shallex5744

Ай бұрын

i'm not sure if windows 7 originally did it or to what extent, but i believe that in the final updates to windows 7, they made sure to enable levels of telemetry similar to that found in windows 10

@coondogtheman

Ай бұрын

@@shallex5744 I know 11 does it so I might just stay with 10 but the PC I have now is lacking a bunch. 230gb storage 3 usb ports 1 broken and no optical drive. My last PC had a lot more. I did however play a doom map with maybe 20,000 enemies and no lag.

I'm not sure what I'm watching. Background noise from a fresh install and you typing in a web search, because that's what the Windows search bar is nowadays? And device info going to Windows isn't weird considering they're dishing out drivers so... that's expected. None of this is 'spying'.

Did the Microsoft robots take over your body at the very end there? What in the world happened with how you said "collect" at 13:11 ? Haha

I've used Winaero Tweaker to modify windows update settings and telemetry stuff. Also allows for changing the look and feel of windows and even direct to legacy control panel instead of windows menus getting in the way.

As a MSFT shareholder I'm pleased with Microsoft. That said, recently I noticed Windows allowed me to use a login code (screensaver) that I use on one computer to log into another computer that has the same Outlook account associated with it. Very bizarre. I have no idea how that happened except somehow the telemetry figured out the same person is using both PCs and therefore the screensaver password could be used on both. To make it more clear: I can now log in (screensaver) using the same passcode on both machines, or, for the second machine, also use a local password in addition to the same passcode. Not a big deal but creepy as it was not my intent to log in that way. (Another fun fact I found out: MSFT stores in a XML file all your passwords for all your modem/routers, and this information is unencrypted, so if somebody has physical access to your PC in your network, they can get all your passwords even if they are 30 characters long and super strong).

@JordanIdk

Ай бұрын

You have no idea how they figured out both the computers associated with your Outlook account are yours?

@raylopez99

Ай бұрын

@@JordanIdk No, and I program as a hobby, some of my stuff is on Github. I think it's like when a bank accidentally shows you the account information of a relative who shares a lot of the same ID metrics as you do (which has happened to me). A boo-boo, a bug, not a feature. But I could be wrong, maybe it's a feature?

linux is hot

I use Arch, btw

@LukeLane1984

Ай бұрын

Same, btw

@Bunuffin

Ай бұрын

Fedora BTW

@josho225

Ай бұрын

*generic mint user comment*

@0ptimal007

Ай бұрын

And???

@Wilhuf1

Ай бұрын

@@josho225 Mint was my gateway through the Arch.

They will also collect the event of me downloading linux and ditching windows🗿

remember that linux isn’t actually hard unless you choose for it to be!

thats actually a cool video, you should test it on other services

What you forgot to consider is requests and data sent through other protocols such as TCP, UDP, SMB, etc. and not just HTTP or HTTPS

@Wahinies

Ай бұрын

It is unanimously HTTPS because it sails right past firewalls unless the performance killing HTTPS inspection is in use AND this traffic is explicitly blocked. You wont see that scenario in a home setting for example.

@paprikar

27 күн бұрын

Why the fuck this comment had 0 likes?

I miss being able to select what updates I want and only get those.

@user-a0d9w0ec9wiej

29 күн бұрын

I think Linux does that

So glad I switched to Pop!_OS 😅, thank you for the video!

and then they say, "just use WSL!". Why, so that they could collect even my linux data? sorry, no

Looks like you're using a local account. I'd love to see the difference if you use a Microsoft account that they're trying to force on everyone. On a side note, can I ask about your accent? It's fascinating, I can't narrow it down after watching a couple of your videos. Almost like an American/Canadian who moved to the UK maybe? I can't be sure.

BRO THE SILENCES THAT YOU MAKE IN THE VIDEO SCARES ME CUZ I THINK YOU FOUND SOMETHING 😢

i had no idea about that program, thank you!

@callisoncaffrey

Ай бұрын

Why install a system you have to actively fight against. You realize Linux is free and comes and many very easy variations, right? Or if you don't need simpleton shit, there is always OpenBSD.

@joegru7280

Ай бұрын

@@callisoncaffrey Thank you for roasting me. yeah i know about linux. i have used it before. ill look into OpenBSD

@zeenxdownz

23 күн бұрын

​@@callisoncaffreyits hard to switch to linuz when i grew up using windows and having my files in C:/

@ashyy6819

2 күн бұрын

@@callisoncaffrey"Why install a system you have to actively fight against?" >Proceeds to suggest linux lol

@callisoncaffrey

Күн бұрын

@@ashyy6819 Spoken like someone who has never even tried it. Though in case you really didn't understand what I meant: You are aware that Windows sends out everything you do, forces bloat unto you, decided when to update, takes features away, can hardly be configured, ... I'm sure you've heard about the Recall feature, right? I know people think that would be spying on them, but that's not what it does. The spying is happening already in the background, but Recall moves the evaluation of your data onto your hardware. It saves Microsoft tons of money. Meanwhile on Linux you have full control over everything. You can install an easy distro like Linuxmint, which is way easier than Windows, even for people who come from it. The thing you think is Linux is LFS, where you actually have to download and compile every packet manually. Every other Distro, even Archlinux, is way easier. Most come with a graphical installer even. I run Gentoo too, and the only difficult thing there is configuring the kernel. Anyway, even if it were as difficult as you make it sound, I would still prefer that over being the corporations' female canine. Then again it's not like it was bad for the Chinese to give up all privacy. I hear they have a prospering and free country over there.

Could you in theory set up some virtual giga farms with a bunch of automated actions to permanently send Microsoft trash data and maybe ddos their collection servers?

Seems like a lot of it is related to Edge. First step would probably be to get rid of that.

I don't trust Microsoft.

Thanks for showing the MITM proxy software. I will use it to make my Pi hole DNS server block more telemetry

I'm good with Linux

please re-test with "Windows 11 LTSC" would be interesting to see if there is any less traffic

good vid!

Mark my words. Next they will add trackers in the close, maximize and minimize buttons as well.

What linux distro are you using?

@ItsCookie-sr7xg

23 күн бұрын

I use arch btw

very interesting

how to create custom ssl certificate make video about it!

.... So remember how pirating adobe products is morally correct (currently even encouraged)? We should add Windows to that list.

I only watched the first 4mins, but this would be more interesting if he actually made some analysis. Just showing a bunch of query suggestions that don’t seem to contain sensitive data is useless. It’s pretty obvious windows will eventually connect to the internet for some features

imagine accidentally type a password

@jackie.dee.01

Ай бұрын

All of this is encrypted, this person is using an SSL certificate to de-encrypt the sent queries. It’s the same as typing a password into any web browser. An OS still shouldn’t send anything without your permission.

@pid1790

Ай бұрын

@@jackie.dee.01 what will go wrong when someone doing mitm attack like this just like this person do with a vm?

@AnttiPW

Ай бұрын

@@pid1790 Unless you install someone else's root certificate (like he did in this video to capture the traffic) you don't have to worry.

@jackie.dee.01

Ай бұрын

@@pid1790 Given they don't have the correct certificate, they would only be able to see a stream of nonsense. However, fun fact, e.g. the NSA still collects this information to have it's encryption cracked later using quantum computers.

So you typed in a search bar and it ran a search on bing. Not all that shocking tbh. If it's sending what you're trying into word pad or MS word, that'd be a different story. But the fact that you're typing a search into a search bar and it's searching the web isn't exactly the scandal of the century.

@informagico6331

20 сағат бұрын

But for system level sounds like an excuse to hide telemetry. 99% of the times, the local search bar is used to find local placed applications and files. They didn't even fix their own file viewer search...

How about just having a modified hosts file?

make more of this

Windows is just a remote terminal to Microsoft servers.

@user-a0d9w0ec9wiej

29 күн бұрын

It's a one way window to see your activities from their side