POV: when you try to introduce Sci Fi elements into your horror series but confuse half the fanbase

@thatorangeguy3646

Ай бұрын

writing a story around gameplay vs writing a story WITH gameplay

@cleaveuntome42

Ай бұрын

I think more than half were starting to understand fnaf so scott sat down and said "this wont do at all"

@wolfietronic356

Ай бұрын

How exactly is remnant Sci fi?

@Unsightly7846

Ай бұрын

@@wolfietronic356 Scott’s more of a Sci Fi guy, he’s always been one, and he’s never portrayed remnant/agony in a fantasy-like manner. It’s soul magic, but it hasn’t been written like it, since William’s characterization has always been that of a crazed scientist; building killer robots, fear gas chambers, searching for immortality, and so on. In the new novels, remnant’s treated like a resource, an undiscovered science, a miracle substance rather than some fantasy magic system. So I’d say calling it a Sci Fi element qualifies, at least partially.

@kamiwriterleonardo6345

Ай бұрын

​@@Unsightly7846 There are still elements of Remnants and souls that we don't fully understand, especially the fact that ghosts can still manifest even when the remnant is split and scattered. To me it reads more as "someone trying to explain the unexplainable." Treat remnant like scientists treat black holes or dark matter (which we do have several scientific explanations for several aspects of dark matter and black holes, but we don't understand everything about them.)

I've always seen it like this. Remnant is from the actual spirit inhabiting whatever it is possessing. Agony is the intense emotional strain of the spirit which extends to other objects. Not possessed by the original host, but rather the pain and suffering felt within their trapped animatronic bodies.

@scrungles7853

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's my thoughts too. I think it's really interesting.

Honestly really nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks the Toys are simply powered by the same remnant as the Withereds. With how remnant is established to work, it would only make sense if the Toys were powered by the MCI remnant as well, since they used the metal from the Withereds (which contained remnant) to create the Toys W video indeed

The thing is... Remnant IS Agony. Or... kind of. The explaination of Remnant we are given describes it as "The intangible fused with the intangible, of memory with the present". That is, even if vague, a very useful explaination. Notice how Talbert doesn't describe Remnant as a ghost metal liquid. Nor he says that ONLY metal is Remnant. He explains that metal is, strangely, a better conductor of the emotional energy, and maybe that it seems easier to MANIPULATE Remnant with. But he never states, nor reduces Remnant to "haunted metal", it's just an example. But, what is Remnant then? Exactly what he says: memory. Remnant is memory. It's not just "haunted metal", it's the memory of someone who's gone, that lingers past their disease, and can still be seen in the present, almost like if they never died. But, isn't that the definition of a ghost? Isn't that the definition of an Agony-infected object? That's because it is! Agony, just as any other emotion, is a feeling that creates an energy that exudes from living beings. Isn't that also what we see in FNAF AR? An ethereal energy that echoes the past and loads with the suffering of all the people the the animatronics belong to? Remnant is the result of mixing the intangible (Any kind of emotion, memory, or ghost, that cannot be touched or easily preceived), with the tangible (An object, e.g., a robot). Isn't a ghost the memory of someone who's dead, that can be perceived after their death? Isn't an agony the memory of somebody's suffering, that can latch onto something, and be perceived again? Aren't then the Ella Doll (Novel Trilogy), or the Plushtrap Chaser, Remnant too? Aren't the Retro-Arcade minigames also the mixing of memory with machinery, and repetition of such event? I keep seeing people not only reducing Remnant to "haunted melted metal", when Remnant is much broader than that, but also seeing people say that "rEmNanT iS sCi-Fi", when it's actually a very standard ghost-story element (It's just any haunted object). But i do get why people say it is Sci-Fi, because FNAF takes the concept of the Remnants of a person, and uses it in a scientifical way. Actually, if i found a hounted object, i would definitely try to make it split! Why not? It's a very interesting thing to see! The video is pretty great! Really! I just wanted to say that... it is all Remnant. Agony, or any feeling in general, is necessary for possession. But i agree with the video still! I saw Rye's video too, but I don't remember much... I probably also commented something like this...

@scootinkermie

Ай бұрын

I was under the impression that it was the other way around Agony is a type if Remnant, a subtype

@user-fk3mt8ck3v

Ай бұрын

@@scootinkermie Yeah, sort of. Agony is the emotional energy that forms Remnant. Where they do differ is what emotions take over the infected object. Agony makes Dark Remnant, made by negative memories/emotions, while the usually seen white or Bright Remnant seen in FNAF AR is the one with positive memories. Remnant is more of an umbrella term for Bright Remnant, Dark Remnant, and all the types od Remnant that can exist thanks to the wide range of human emotions.

Man remember when the idea of possession in this franchise came down to children get suffered into animatronic suits and then it’s possessed…..yeah me neither

@thesweetbunny-fazbear

Ай бұрын

If only it stayed this way

@ReeceConnor.

Ай бұрын

@@thesweetbunny-fazbear Yeah if only…..😞

@scrungles7853

26 күн бұрын

Boring! I like this better!

@midxmoses2495

14 күн бұрын

if only it j simply stayed this way.. truly miss og fnaf days😢 2014-2018 fnaf was simply the goat, the games , great , the story/lore , 93% eat , shii confusing ? very but twas still pretty damn good and fun to follow while keeping you on you’re toes , looking and digging , doing yoire own research trying to make sense of shit since once again it was so confusing , but omg remeber the era of the ENTIRE COMMUNITY trying to figure out who tf the purple guy was ? watching mattpat , looking into/doing youre own research and trying to figure allat shit out zmmmm

@scrungles7853

14 күн бұрын

@@midxmoses2495 cry about it. The strongest gamers stay enjoying things and having fun

Someone, please, tell me I'm not the only one who LOVES this stuff. I love the different ghost magics. The difference between remnant being direct soul energy, and agony being the manifested suffering of the spirits, and how it can linger even after the actual spirits are long gone (what I believe is going on with the blob) I LOVE IT. It's really really cool!!! Please? Someone please agree with me for once in my life I'm gonna turn into dust and blow away in the wind

@AldinRamic

15 күн бұрын

I think I like it as well. It is interesting

@kassem9

11 күн бұрын

I didn't like it cuz its a horror game which in terms to make a horror slasher story you sometimes need not to explain every detail and keep something in dark to make story even scary beside you don't need to give motive to the killer like antony bearkins from the movie psycho in 1960

@scrungles7853

11 күн бұрын

@@kassem9 Wtf are you talking about man

@kassem9

11 күн бұрын

@@scrungles7853 its just opnini The game lore went to much goofy and magic that it seems like fantasy movie not a tragic horror story with to much question

@scrungles7853

11 күн бұрын

@@kassem9 Seems like you just don't have the right mindset for it

I think souls, memories and emotions (agony) are all just different forms of remnant itself. Thus, I also don’t think the combination of metal and one of these three things is considered remmant, but that the ”substance” within the metal itself is the remnant. ”A mix of the tangible and the intangible”; emotions/memories/souls can only be called remnant if they stay or *remain* intact in our world. This is usually through a material or object, and metal seems to be the best ”conductor” for remnant. This is why it can be simplified to ”haunted metal”. But as I just explained, it’s more than just that. So basically, under this, remnant can be defined simply as ”any part or imprint of a person’s essence that remains in the physical world even after their death”, but this is just what I think. Though I’m pretty confident in this.

@absolutechadd8895

Ай бұрын

What ya said makes too much sense and I want to agree, but isn't what you quoted the defining trait of remnant? With souls/memories/emotions being the intangible part of remnant? Also, I think "conductor" could be replaced with "medium."

@Ozeglion

Ай бұрын

@@absolutechadd8895I’m not completely sure what the exact quote was, but I remember it was ”A [something] of the tangible with the intangible”, so I just guessed ”mix”. Though that isn’t technically correct, since it actually isn’t the combination of souls/memories/emotions with a tangible material that are called remnant, but the souls/memories/emotions themselves, which is due to them being held in the physical world due to the tangible conductor/medium, if that makes sense.

Tbh I just ignore remnant and agony and think of it simply as spirits possessing animatronics. I know it’s not factually correct but for me it makes the series more enjoyable and less complicated

@daneilhpp

Ай бұрын

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@vincentadamsvga

Ай бұрын

I mean that's basically all remnant and agony is. You just add on the layer of emotions and there you go. A spirit and/or emotions attached to an object beyond death, giving them supernatural life.

@scrungles7853

26 күн бұрын

Bruh moment

@DefNotMyBurner

19 күн бұрын

And less cringe

@scrungles7853

19 күн бұрын

@@DefNotMyBurner We're all fnaf fans, we're all fucking cringe

As a bisexual I can confirm

✨ Magic. ✨

What I think for each game: Fnaf 1: Remnant for everyone (including golden Freddy). Fnaf 2: All the withereds: remnant. Shadows: Agony because of AR and,”Hide N seek.” However, I’m leaning more on the fact that the toys aren’t possessed but, if they are then remnant. Fnaf 3: SpringTrap is still alive because of Andrew. (Proven by the heart beat in the salvage section and ‘Man in room 1280.” Phantoms are just hallucinations. Fnaf 4: they’re not possessed by anything. (Except Nightmare because, he is shadow Freddy) Fnaf SL: Baby is obviously remnant. I’m pretty torn on if the Funtimes are possessed or not honestly. If so, maybe Agony? Although, I do feel like Yendo is golden Freddy but, I haven’t researched that theory (yet) FFPS: Scrap baby, Molten Freddy and Lefty are all possessed by remnant. Like I said earlier, Afton is still alive by Andrew proven by the heartbeat in the salvage. HW: never played HW so, this will be harder for me to answer. Well, since I’m considering to believe Mimictrap I’ll say agony. (Though, I could be wrong) SB: I doubt that they’re possessed

Remnant - Raw Raw, Rasputin Agony - I’m so smart, LolBit

Agony creatures or ones given the power by agony are Fredbear plush/Shadow Freddy/ nightmare: it is possible he and Eleanor could be the same Shadow Bonnie Nightmarionne Eleanor XOR : could be Eleanor Pittrap Mimic: kinda of give him sentence Springtrap and scraptrap: shown to alive likely thanks to Andrew. His agony and memories are what make the phantoms.

I'm subbed only for the consistent thame geary videos

For fnaf 3 maybe there is just so much agony in the building that it causes the player to hallucinate?

I prefer to call it "boo goo"

@xstro.arts22

Ай бұрын

This comment is very esteemed

"Goo of the dead" more like goo gone

I have a cool phone guy theory i wanna share

wabe, bake up!! it’s thame geory! 😍

Trying to understand the rules of FNAF possession is like trying to understand Pokemon TCG gimmicks.

I thought that the phantoms were made by the gas that people think cause the nightmares. As for the nightmares, I think that they’re the Funtime animatronics, so I think they’d be remnant.

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

There is no evidence connecting the nightmares to the Funtimes directly, so I do not believe that.

@FunAngelo2005

Ай бұрын

​@@dmuted the use the twisted animatronics as a comparison

@StephDilimia

Ай бұрын

​@@dmutedHelp Wanted:

@dumbly-stupid

Ай бұрын

​@@FunAngelo2005 they twisted ones and the Funtimes are different animatronics that co exist

@vincentadamsvga

Ай бұрын

@@FunAngelo2005 The Twisteds aren't really a counterpart to any one animatronic. They have springlocks, cause sensory illusions, and are programmed specifically to capture and/or kill any requested target. That's Springlocks, Nightmares, and Funtimes all wrapped up into a single animatronic type, not really a stand in for any specific one.

Also I wana note the main kids were probably killed near instantly where as we see Charlie left to bleed out so that adds to what u said

Basically if there's a body in/connected then its remnant and if not then it's agony. If something is directly in contact to a dead person like the Puppet then it is both. The Funtimes had to of been made from animatronic parts as Remnant is melted possessed metal regardless of Molten MCI is true or not.

I see the toys as a combination of "Something borrowed" and there lackluster programming, there's something in there guiding the machines, not quite as alive as the withered animatronics, as they always come off alot more, well, robotic and stiff, as if they aren't fully "alive" (by dead child standards anyway) as much as something nudging these machines towards a goal

Wait does that mean Mike is a agony creature since I would imagine getting you guts scoped out would cause a lot of pain and agony

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

The scooper is told in FNaF 6 to actually inject remnant, so we can be pretty confident that's how Mike survives

Nice vid! But uhhh. Are you still gonna read Archesuchus's " Weird Birds "? I really wanna see more:3

Planning on doing a video on Battington's latest VHS?👀

0:17 Hits hard.

Remember when ghosts were able to possess animatronics just by simply possessing them via supernatural shenanigans & nothing more? Ah, the good ol' days...

@scrungles7853

26 күн бұрын

It got more interesting imo.

@DiamondBatToons

26 күн бұрын

@@scrungles7853 at the cost of being way too complicated for a small indie series.

@scrungles7853

26 күн бұрын

@@DiamondBatToons It's not small anymore. Also, it's only too complicated if you're boring.

@OutOfNameIdeas819

25 күн бұрын

@@scrungles7853 Look man, nobody's saying you can't enjoy Remnant and Agony. If you like them, that's great. Don't let anyone discourage you from liking what you want to like about anything in life. But calling people "boring" for not agreeing that Remnant and Agony are FNaF's magnum opus just ain't it. Just agree to disagree with people.

@scrungles7853

25 күн бұрын

@@OutOfNameIdeas819 It ain't that serious. Bing bong I'm just bein a dweeb cause I'm sick of the fnaf fandom's shit lmao

epic rap battles

Still listening to the video. But now I wonder if Charlie could be inside golden freddy. She gets killed, bleeds on the puppet. For reason idk yet, her body is shoved in freddy. Now her agony is with the puppet and remnant inside golden freddy.

Hey, I'd like to add to a theory about the fear gas, i don't have an actual theory, but while I was playing help wanted in fnaf 1 under the desk, there was a canister could it be filled with the fear gas?

@TheWizardMus

Ай бұрын

In the case of Help Wanted since thats in universe a VR game that canistet likely wouldn't be fear gas(cuz the gas wouldnt work you arent actually breating it), most likely set dressing of a Helium tank for balloons.

thame geory :D

My money is on a secret third option

But also why does the puppet attack us Also the toys are powered by both probably because of the DCI, which explains why paper pals move ex, also the endos are possessed by agony likely posed by agony

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

We have no evidence the DCI kids ended up in the toy animatronics, or that they possessed anything at all

Characters all the spirit possess Classic/witherds/futimes/molten Freddy: mci kids Toys: dci or mci or agony William: Andrew Nightmare Staffbots,glamrock Bonnie, and wet floor signs: past employees (Movie) Shadow Freddy: Max Shadow Bonnie:Jeff (probably) Torture Freddy: Carl Sparky: Hank

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

Well yes, you need a spirit to make remnant, I'm not denying that

I thought agony was supposed to be the more raw primal non intelligent one.

How do ya’ll think Charliebot is alive?

chaos

Remember when it was literally just the souls themselves possessing the animatronics instead of some weird sci-fi bullshit like Remnant and Agony? Yeah… good times

@dmuted

8 күн бұрын

That's literally still happening, we just have a name for it now I swear these comments are made with steam coming out of people's ears before they actually learn with remnant even is

15:55 HOW MANY MONTHS? RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

Why couldn't it just stay paranormal it was tragic that the kids that were killed was stuffed and the fact that you were a target made it that more scary William was also a Frankenstein type of guy so i cant act like it came out of left field but just...could you had been as subtle as you were when you shoved human corpses in a robot suit

What do you mean goo 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

If ...IF.....IF henry made mimic and baby (or at least baby). And we know you dont have to die to spread agnoy... couldnt the smaller baby relative animatronics be agnoy based? - mimic/baby is made - agony insues - other items like paper animatronics and ballon boy are in the room when henry gets all mad. Or When baby kills henry/the guy at his desk, the blood gets on them at that time

@wolfietronic356

Ай бұрын

Henry made neither of those animatronics Also Henry doesn't die to baby

The nightmare animatronics are just the dying fever dreams of Evans brain. No offense, but WHY DOES NO ONE EVER TALK ABOUT IT 😭

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

Because we have a ton of evidence that says its not that

@Ranchy-Randy

Ай бұрын

@@dmutedwas just gonna say that lol There's a lot of evidence saying the character we play as isn't Evan,

I think the Bidybabs and Minireenas are both just little assholes like Balloon Boy. Really, they’re probably controlled by Baby and Ballora respectively, so it’s neither.

At this point just leave it at dead kids, I REALLY feel like remnant was only made so the overly protective parents don’t go gunning for Scott Cawthon

damn

@maxxcauseynot5390

Ай бұрын

Damn

@arsenal_foreva

Ай бұрын

damn

@hyperst4r276

Ай бұрын

Damn

Yuck feah, I love Thame Geory

The spirits just simply possessed the animatronics. The end.

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

Sure, if you don't dig any deeper into the series at all.

@Kevinnn167

Ай бұрын

@@dmuted life was better when fnaf was just a ghost story

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

@@Kevinnn167 It literally still is, this is just how possession works in the series

@Herr_Schindler

Ай бұрын

You're people are so pathetic

@OutOfNameIdeas819

25 күн бұрын

@@Kevinnn167 In my mind it'll always stay a ghost story. Just ignore SL onwards and you're good.

Easiest Answer to the age old question of "How are fnaf animatronics possessed" Well they're just Possessed due to Paranormal Activity (Ie; The Ghost just possesses them.).

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

Then you haven't watched the video and don't actually know how possession works in the series lol It's not that simple.

@satiosnewaccount4606

Ай бұрын

@@dmuted no Phasmophobia then? That's a bummer... Fortunately I have the ability to throw the concepts out of my brain's the window to make it easier for me to understand :D

@klinxium8627

Ай бұрын

@@satiosnewaccount4606idiot

@scrungles7853

26 күн бұрын

But easy doesn't necessarily mean interesting.

@satiosnewaccount4606

26 күн бұрын

@@scrungles7853 The way a ghost possesses an animatronic shouldn't really be that all interesting and complicated, If anything, what the ghost does inside the animatronics is more interesting. (ie; FNAF 1) So if interesting means making it more complicated than it needs to be and locking out newer fans knowing why the thing that makes robots move is important, then cut me some slack for saying some elements need to be tone down and "boring" to make sure the story doesn't transform into a pile of mess for me.

(4:58) :)

I feel like William probably killed the kids first around fredbears time because the unwithered existed back then. And after that In 87 they got sent to fnaf 2 and those dead kids in the mini games are probably the toys

Agony does not exist in the games

Remnant and Agony made the series so stupid lol, the thing about horror is the less you know the scarier it is. Turning Afton to an evil scientist instead of just a child murderer ruined it. Just say, you die recently, and get stuffed into something, you possess it.

This dude really said that toy aren’t possessed because nobody was stuffed in them that’s how you know he’s coping

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

Brother did you miss the part where I said they are possessed

@Unknowncameraman15

Ай бұрын

@@dmuted no you said they are possessed by remnant not ghost’s because nobody was stuff inside

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

@@Unknowncameraman15 Remnant is made from spirits, so yes, remnant is involved. But they are still haunted. I just don't think anyone was stuffed inside them.

@Unknowncameraman15

Ай бұрын

@@dmutedpeople don’t have to be stuffed inside the animatronics to possess them we know that

@dmuted

Ай бұрын

@@Unknowncameraman15 so? How does that discredit Remnant or agony

Yes they are possessed by ghosts supernatural Paranormal