This really should be made into a movie.

@Lana_Warwick

26 күн бұрын

There's a 1992 American movie loosely based on Conner (incl vs Australia II) called 'Wind'. There's also 2 full length doco's, one from 1984 called "Aussie Assault" (on youtube), the other in 2022 called 'Untold: The Race of the Century' (on Netfix).

I still remember Alan Bond standing on the peer, holding up his arms like Moses calling for the boat to be lifted out of the water to finally reveal the winged keel. Pure gold!

I remember the Australian news papers’ headlines were something like: “We keeled them…”😂

@geoffharestad5481

5 күн бұрын

If you put your wins against USA wins as a ratio (ONE time !?!?!?!??), looks like you're terrible sailors !!!

@breakinghabits_II

5 күн бұрын

@@geoffharestad5481 We’re also horrible at mass shootings…

I was at the finish line of the last race, and it looked like Liberty had it until Australia altered course for the leeward mark. The subsequent tacking dual was epic.

@weatheranddarkness

Жыл бұрын

46 times? Wouldn't have blamed Bertrand for giving up on covering too early, that's just an obscene workload, even just for your rail meat

@skiplissiman

Жыл бұрын

@@weatheranddarkness Liberty was quicker on the upwind legs in the last race after they took out 2,000lbs of lead - there was no way you go let Liberty get a sniff of clear air.. The crew were relishing every tack to make sure they stayed in front!

A great series for sure. I was glued to the screen on the last race. I still prefer the old boats with spinnakers.

Being youth at that time, I looked for every edition of our german Yacht Magazin... I remember the Australian Team offering a wrench for the N.Y. Yacht Club, to loosen the screws...🙃

1983 was a great year for me and I remember this like yesterday.

Me: *watching video* Lady at 0:30 : *stupid jingoistic quips* Me: “Yeah, this is why they hate us in other countries, isn’t it?”

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

😂

If anyone could have imagined what that winged keel would evolve into. Absolutely love these boats. Lawyers going sailing.

September 26th 1983, what a great time to be an Aussie, the country partied like you wouldn't believe! Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi!

These boats were the best. Modern multi hulled AC boats are just not the same

@michaelbaughman8524

2 ай бұрын

Amen

Grew up watching the twelves but it looks like slow motion now.

The book Born to Win John Bertrand is a great book

i remember it .bondy made history even though he was a scoundrel. often thought we should have honoured bondi for this magnificent historical effort,by giving him a free pass for his sins .but then maybe i should have asked the people he short changed whether they agreed. still he'll go down in history for what he pulled off.bondi gave us a magnificent feeling as a country to beat the yanks .it just felt SO good. bob hawke who was PM at the time was a bit of a hero as well because he was in the Guinness book of records for skulling beer .being in senior school and competitive on sat night after the pictures at school we'd duck out and run down to the pub with o stop watch to try and beat his record .we couldn't get near it but were well and truely pissed from our effort

I owned 12M 'Magic' for a while. These yachts are amazing to sail. Great period in sailing history

Gretel was good enough to win but like Endeavour the crew just wasn't quite good enough. But Australia 11 won with a crew that exhibited great tenacity and skill and a very good boat. And the right wind. Kookaburra III was designed for heavier winds that simply never came. If they had we would have won for sure at Fremantle. Well maybe.

Beginning of the end of the 12 meter era. Such a shame, the modern AC with foiling boats is closer to Formula One than sailing. I mean, crash helmets and flipping boats at the mark?

@UMBERRRTO1

2 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with safety or speed

@michaelbaughman8524

2 ай бұрын

@@UMBERRRTO1 I agree, but it's a non-sequitur. My point was that the modern AC boats bear more affinity to the thrills and risks of high-speed motor sports than to the art of sailing. Nothing against Formula One or other similar events; I enjoy them myself. But I am nostalgic for the supreme demonstrations of skill and determination of the 12-meter era, with lovely seaworthy boats that weren't prone to pitch-pole in 4' seas.

@Elias-eo1vh

11 күн бұрын

​@michaelbaughman8524 I think your comparison with f1 is quite fitting. And I also understand your nostalgic feelings for the classic yachts. But isn't it amazing to see how technology advances and what can be achieved on the water only using the wind as an accelerating force? I think events like the americas cup are important to show people that sailing isn't just an outdated and old fashioned way of travelling on water, it's still advancing in the 21st century and it's faster than ever.

@michaelbaughman8524

11 күн бұрын

@@Elias-eo1vh I do agree that the tech advances are truly amazing, and fun to watch too. Pretty cool that a sailboat can do almost 50 kts. But it's a different sport than "classic" yacht racing, of which the America's Cup used to be the epitome. I was just watching an old race where one boat tacked over the lay line and pointed low to gain speed and gain a leeward position to force the other boat past the windward mark - but the other skipper instantly put his helm down too and used the starboard tack to turn the tables and force the other to give way. Such tactics aren't possible with the new format.

Bit of a shame they never won it since. The Aussies, I mean. That Slingsby bloke seems to know his way around a race track.

@Kiwigd

Жыл бұрын

..you’re such an Aussie fanboy..

@ray.shoesmith

Жыл бұрын

Bit like taking a virgin

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

we I believe were on track in 1995 to potentially win it but then the Fast One Australia boat led by the great John Bertrand sunk and so did the chances. But lets never forget in 1995 we were the only one's truely able to match and beat Team New Zealand

@kaiyves957

Жыл бұрын

@@bmrcoachingacademy8531 In the newspapers at the time, everyone thought 1995 would be a climactic Conner vs Bertrand rematch- in part because Team New Zealand had spread rumors that Black Magic I and II were flawed to encourage others to underestimate them. OneAustralia probably were the strongest challenger aside from Team NZ, so it was a reasonable assumption to make!

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

@@kaiyves957 pretty much think that is what I was saying but thanks for stating the obvious

AUSTRALIA II was being used in a competition race against STEAK n KIDNEY in a commercial venture in Airlie Beach, Queensland, Australia. Got to sail this vessel as a tourist...grinding away...not the pleasure cruise I'd expected.

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

You can't have been on Australia II it is in the Maritime Museum in Perth, what you were sailing was the 1980 Cup Challenger which was called Australia

i've never heard an explanation of why John stopped covering Dennis in that last race. i also read years ago and it isn't mentioned nowadays that it was Tom Schnackenberg's spinnaker that won the last downwind

@Lozzie74

Жыл бұрын

It’s a weird comment in the video. You don’t cover when sailing downwind. The boat behind you can blanket your wind. Covering is an UPWIND manoeuvre.

@geebee3d

Жыл бұрын

@@Lozzie74 yeah, but to the same effect, when in front in a match race, keep yourself between the finish and your competition. Don’t let them split from you downwind in case they pick up more favorable air on the other side of the course. Keep yourself between the leeward mark/finish and the competition

@skiplissiman

Жыл бұрын

The spinnaker was a very modified Sobstad spinnaker which had a very narrow wind range, Dennis Connor gybed away about 8 minutes after rounding the top mark when he got a small wind shift to try and protect (what he thought) was the favoured right side of the course, Phil Smidmore the mastman on Australia II said there was more wind on the left side of the course so Australia II continued on starboard gybe and when gybed back later was neck and neck with Liberty when the boats met 2/3rd down the 4.5nm leg. The crew on Liberty were not as good at light air downwind sailing as the Australia II crew and A2 was very slightly quicker. In addition the spinnaker on A2 was slightly smaller and more suited to the winds on the downwind leg than the Liberty spinnaker..

@paddlepop88sup

Жыл бұрын

@@skiplissiman THANKS FOR THE DETAILS

@ianb9028

Жыл бұрын

@@skiplissiman are you the Skip Lissiman who was port trimmer on A2? If so congratulations and deep respect on the achievement.

I went to Australia to travel and went across the desert to Fremantle for that one. I was a young sailor at the time.

Did anyone know that Alan Bond's wife Rolex watch was stolen & he offered $10,000 for the return with no questions asked? To get John Bertrand to the press conference after he had won. He had to ride on the back of the Newport police motorcycle. The people outside the Armory & on Thames street was massive.

@skiplissiman

Жыл бұрын

Yes - Eileen Bond had her watch taken off her wrist in the crowd mass outside the armoury where the press conference was and she got the watch back some weeks later. John B and the crew walked to Armoury from the dock - about 300m away and it was SCARY with the mass crowd squashing in.

Are there comfort stations available ?

And they still throw their toys out of the cot when things don't suit them.

The Americans just couldn’t dig the Aussie’s cheek, sense of humour and toughness. The American’s weakness is their self seriousness!

@rayRay-pw6gz

12 күн бұрын

The winged keel was thinking outside the box win. That was the only reason they won. Nothing to do with personality.

And then Dennis showed up in a multihull.

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

As it happens, just released a video on that kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKuTl6ixgd29Zqw.html

No-one has lived off a last name more than Halsey

"Americans can be very chicane" Thomas Jefferson.

@gregknipe8772

Жыл бұрын

I've watched this show several times over the years, living in several different states.... this is really a fun tale. hip hip hurray!! Aussie spirit!

Was this the first real “bow down” boat to get the lift?😊

Connor lost that regatta in several races. The Australians were remarkable and capitalized on every mistake. Why did Connor fail to cover Aus on the Downwind leg in the 7th race is the question???? Arrogance led to his loss

@skiplissiman

Жыл бұрын

No - Liberty's crew lack of light air downwind skills lead to the loss - Dennis mistakenly believed Australia II was a rocket downwind when it was slow (against the other challengers) and in Aug 1983 the crew spent 2 weeks solid turning that downwind weakness into a strength

They wanted both boats to be fair!! Just like when Dennis turned up in a catamaran against a monohull!!!

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

I kinda like Dennis but the double standards are crazy. Got a video coming up on 1988 this weekend

This is not How America lost the Cup, this is How Australia won the Cup thats what the title should be, let me guess this has been posted by and American

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

Nope a Brit. 😉 I get what you are saying and realised it when planning the title but it just wasn't as catchy.

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

@@FastForwardSailing lol what ever you reckon, I just think the title cheapens what the Australians did, they won this Cup

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

@@bmrcoachingacademy8531 I totally get your point. The second part of the title does imply it was the efforts of Aus. But I think of all my video titles in terms of what would get a person who doesn't know much about the cup interested. That after all is a big part of the purpose of sport

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

@@FastForwardSailing yeah whatever

@taylormartell967

Жыл бұрын

@@bmrcoachingacademy8531You stOLE oUR MOMENT. THE TIETLE MAKES me so SAD for all of the sacrifices of the auSTRLAIALANS. I'm going to CRY.

Do not forget that your sailmakers were KIWIs

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Tom Schnackenberg in particular was behind the scenes of a lot of America's Cup victories

As a long-time fan of America's Cup racing, this video is a bit disappointing for me. I really wanted to learn how the "slow" Liberty got to a 3-1 lead to begin with, if it was at such a disadvantage design-wise. Yet her 2nd and 3rd wins were glossed over! And so were the 2nd and 3rd wins of Australia II! This should have been the meat of the video, instead... nothing! Why? You found so much archive footage, surely you could have given us some explanation (and footage) of what led to victory in these 4 races.

Got beat

@FastForwardSailing

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t make for as good a title 😉

@harveypost1841

Жыл бұрын

Beat it beat it u all got to do is beat it...John Hancock

You lost it because the other team was better. Nothing else.

@dap777754

Жыл бұрын

The Aussie boat was better, to be sure. Dennis outsailed Aus2 pretty handily though, and I was there all summer to see it. But the little boat bailed out Bertram on a few, key occasions. The rub, the asterisk, is that it now comes to light that a lot of the design of the keel was accomplished in Netherlands, by the Dutch. At least according to one of the Dutch engineers at the tow tank. If true, the '83 Cup Races were a sham and a farce. IMO the Club conducted itself honorably under the circumstances.

@markhill9275

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the Sepos sook and cry, try to make out that they were only beaten by the boat, but given the outright cheating for which the NYCC was famous for, changing rules mid stream, the Sepos are just sooks. I was there, Bertrand outsailed the Sepos just as much as thet did him. The dutch didn't invent the keel, it was an Aussie design. We spanked the Sepos. They are the mudguards of the world. Biggest sporting cheats in the world, just ask Lance or Floyd Landis!

@patriotsman6511

Жыл бұрын

Won it back in 87

@GrislyAtoms12

6 күн бұрын

"the other team was better. Nothing else." 'Better keel' is not 'nothing'. It was pretty much THE reason.

If only it was in todays filming quality. Funny the whinging protests back then vs what's raced these days. @2:20 Alan Bond (& Japanese Investors) 20,000 acre estate 'Yanchep Sun City' that he never ended up completing due to running out of money.

So he lost crowd about it , tried to cheat to win and still lost how was that remote ok

Aussies won ,

Dennis was not feeling good about the NYYC. They showed no support & especially after he lost. The money was coming from a San Diego couple, who was also on the San Diego YC board. The Jewetts were backing Dennis up & did so in the Rematch in Perth. Where did the AC go after the race? That's right, San Diego. I believe Dennis lost the race because the NYYC let him down. What do they always teach you when sailing in a competition? Cover, cover, cover your opponent & he did not! This is not fleet racing but dueling & he should have never let Australia sail away as he did.

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

Interesting fantasy comment

Oude mannen met geld😂. De folieboten ,kost ook veel maar daar moet je ook nog een kunsje doen. Zonder buikje en onderkin. Sport 🎉😊

Australia can’t get it back off the Kiwis….not even close.

@bmrcoachingacademy8531

Жыл бұрын

we haven't been in it for a while so bit hard, mind you plenty of Aussie sailors are part of the teams.

@stevenleades

Жыл бұрын

So tell me who drives the US boat? And half of the other boats? an Aussie that's who.

I have never believed Australia won . I've always believed America lost , but why. While the cup was in American hands, it was held in New York. But Dennis Conner ( and others) wanted the cup in San Diego. So he lost to Bond, cup goes to Australia ( now out of New York) then next race Dennis wins and takes cup back to America but this time San Diego.

When you say America are you talking about Mexico?

@markhill9275

Жыл бұрын

Or Canada, or Brazil, or Argentina, or Peru etc. They are all Americans.

@WilliamMurray-lr1bb

Жыл бұрын

yeah right , those wetbacks stole the keel and 4 brass cleats .....