Thoughtful comment

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your thoughtful comment!

@qqqhrjfjrnf

Жыл бұрын

A very thoughtful comment

@isaachester8475

Жыл бұрын

Thoughtful reply

@Mati-kun

Жыл бұрын

Woha, thats deep

@Kromunos

Жыл бұрын

Incredible

Small heads up about the designs of her fans. I believe the reason she was able to convince her artist father to include them. Was because they were originally designed by Sana.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhh really?! That makes it 10000x more special. Thank you for letting me know 🥹💕

@andrewseet4408

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat no problem.

@jacobosaldarriaga4820

Жыл бұрын

Actually, she said that it was a design choice by her papa, and she gladly accepted having them.

@andrewseet4408

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobosaldarriaga4820 gotcha. Do you have proof? I want to see. Because that is really sweet of her papa.

@jacobosaldarriaga4820

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewseet4408 I will try to find it, it was during one of her zatsudan sections of one of her streams after her reveal. I will comment again once I find it. It was either the "get used to newrys" or Outlast stream.

A lot of people were saying IRyS' old design was too busy, but what's funny is I honestly don't think her new design is THAT much less intricate. They just cut streamlined it a bit by cutting out some of the elements that were less noticeable or didn't work as well in Live 2D. Like I never noticed the wings on her dress until this video pointed them out. (It kind of reminds me of my own approach to character design, where I just throw every idea I have into the initial concept and then in later drawings pare back a lot of the extraneous detail) I do kind of miss the color scheme of 1.0, though. Her new palette still looks great and has a lot of pop, but there's something about the darker colors in 1.0 that keeps drawing my eye.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Hey Lance! Nice to see you in my comments section again! Wonderful addition to the discussion as always. Streamlined is the perfect term to put to the 2.0. The elements aren’t really different, they’re just better organized in my opinion. I will miss the black and white a little bit myself. I hope it comes back in a future outfit!

@Filcayra72

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat Streamklined and yet all the fan artists have been memeing about their struggles with the new outfit being essentially as difficult as the first one haha

@tothebeyond6318

Жыл бұрын

I can't wait for Irys to get some new outfit with darker side pallette

@Zergonapal

Жыл бұрын

The brighter palette will fit more when she is collabing with other people. There was always this sense that IRyS was being lit by a darker set of lights when she was collabing as V1.0

@supanjibobu372

Жыл бұрын

Her old model wouldn't translate well into a 3D form.

A few minor notes: - The redesign was not initially Cover's decision, but IRyS', she pushed really hard for the redesign. It had been in the works for over a year, which explains the lack of new outfits (why bother making a new outfit if she's going to change models?) - She was able to remove the halo and wings in her 1.0, this was not a new feature of the 2.0. - Bloom and Gloom are not representations of her audience, they are her mascots. Her audience representation would be "GuyRyS", the stickman character she often draws on her schedules and shows up on her stream. Also, she stated that B&G were not added to the outfit at her request and that it was a choice by Redjuice to include them.

@TanteiFox

Жыл бұрын

"The redesign was not initially Cover's decision, but IRyS', she pushed really hard for the redesign. It had been in the works for over a year, which explains the lack of new outfits," this was my understanding as well, so thank you for clarifying that.

@minariyerin3431

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is what I have heard from my friends that are her Hardcore fans.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for clarifying these details! I appreciate you taking the time to bring those up. I typically have more time to research into these things before publishing a video, but I felt the need to get this video out within the same week as her reveal! I am more of a listener of IRyS's music than an attendant at her streams, and I guess that shows through the minor details I missed.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

So glad she got what she wanted in the end!

since the first time i saw her design i liked it, until i saw how it moved, it looked so awkward and weird, i adore the details and everything but all of it gets very lost as a vtuber model, when i saw the redesign i was a bit sad bc of the changes mainly on the face but when i saw it move the improvement was inmediately notorious, i'm glad Redjuice managed to improve the model without sacrificing the things that make her design unique , shows just how much they know about character design and color theory, is just so pretty

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree! I really appreciate Redjuice studying up on Live 2D to give us the best end product possible! Part of me hopes that some details from the 1.0 will make a return in some form in future outfits! I’m sure redjuice will do an excellent job designing her additions to her wardrobe. Thanks for commenting and adding to the discussion!

@firepuppies4086

Жыл бұрын

The old model was more of a painting. Looked great but in motion was a bit, eeeeeh...

@savruenvod

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it doesnt matter how many unique details you have if there are too much of them and theh conflict each other

@ledieumort

Жыл бұрын

Just a clarification, the rigging wasn't made by Redjuice, but was made by a new rigger that clearly made a waaay better job

@IunaIia

Жыл бұрын

@@ledieumort Brian Tsui is so good, I love watching the showcases he posts

Irys was originally supposed to be set apart from hololive gens as she debuted as a singer originally. However, she integrated naturally and soon there was no real difference between her purpose and other hololive gens. Now, her design is more hololive than something different

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Big agree! I think you hit the nail on the head here! Thank you for sharing your insight!

@artist0154

Жыл бұрын

also works because she is now kinda like the new 5th council member

@Keirnoth

Жыл бұрын

@@artist0154 I think this is where it necessitated her getting the redesign done. IryS is more or less carrying on Sana's legacy as the 5th council member because you got Bloom and Gloom on her shoulders as a means of honoring Sana's contributions. IryS has been collabing with council way more often these days and while I still miss Sana the cinnamon roll, I think it was only natural that she became close with HoloCouncil. She's helping to fill that giant hole that was left in a lot of Sana's old fans. Council still feels complete and it was fortunate IryS was there at the right moment to carry on Sana's legacy.

@haku_yuki2005

Жыл бұрын

@@Keirnoth to be honest , i initially think that Irys in her start was alone and try to find her way, and to be honest, i always think that she was part from the Council, so actually, it fits so well on her to be part on the Council.

When Irys was revealing her new outfit, I was not initially sold on her dress, when we could only see the lower half of it. However, I was won over when the full dress was revealed. I find it interesting that I found the whole much more appealing than just seeing a part of it.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I saw the red stockings and got a little nervous at the reveal! I didn’t know how I felt about all the red and purple! Seeing her bright smiling face melted all my worries though, happiness looks good on IRyS! Thank you for adding to the discussion!

@tothebeyond6318

Жыл бұрын

tbh her 1.0 version Halo's and her hair design were my favourite part of her, Im suprised that they divided them both into two part.

@ulyssesthedm

Жыл бұрын

Yes, as artists we always need to bear on mind that, while detailed and complex beauty is a wonderful thing, we can use more simplicity in our art to reveal a better story, and to draw the eyes of the audience to the most important parts of the art piece.

The 1.0 is like her early birth of conflict between an angel and a demon. The 2.0 is when she managed to find the control in her demon blood and finding hope in her angel blood. Truly one of the greatest progressions in vtuber history. I legit cannot wait for her 3d now that her model and design is 'meant' for vtubing now!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I love how the lore was tied in. Her 3D debut was just announced to be at Holo Fes 4. I can't wait to see it!

So glad papa redjuice was able to design irys’ new design !! He did an amazing job for both of them imo o7

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

I know right?! I was afraid that they wouldn’t have him back for the 2.0, but I’m so glad they decided to work with him again! He’s an amazing artist

I adore how Bloom and Gloom were made such a visible part of her 2.0 outfit. Sana truly is eternal. 💕

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

o7 Forever a part of IRyS's 2.0 I really wish I knew that Sana was the designer of Doom and Gloom before the comments section educated me. It would've been an excuse to fit my beloafed into yet another video. Thank you for your comment!

@IceBloo

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat it’s important to note that they don’t represent her fans either. It’s her mascot like Bloop is for Gura.

I actually love Irys' original model. She was unique and refreshing. But yeah, I can understand the technicalities of it.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Same! Part of me will always appreciate and miss the 1.0 IRyS! Thanks for your comment ✨

I do think that there is something to her first design being too complicated. She was going to have a new kimono outfit and then it just didn't happen. The changes do seem to come down to being more Live2D friendly. It's easy to focus on her looking more like the other members, but I think it was less about that and more about shifting to techniques that are known to work.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for adding your insight to the discussion! I think from a marketing standpoint, hololive needs to balance how similar and different each of their talents look. I personally tend to like unique looking VTubers, but from a business perspective, the design still has to appeal to the core audience hololive has already built to be successful. Like I mentioned, I think it would be different if IRyS was designed for an indie talent. Then the 1.0 art style would’ve been fine, it just would’ve needed some tweaks for live 2D to look fluid. That’s my 2 cents on the matter anyways!

@bohlam6c

Жыл бұрын

yeah i think Redjuice's artstyle is just harder to adapt into a model. You can see similar changes to Aruran and Flare where their newer models has more solid strokes and simpler gradation.

@SelecaoOfMidas

Жыл бұрын

@@bohlam6c Now that you mention it, Lack-sensei also had to make adaptations of his own art style.

As someone who loveeeeee Irys’s artist’s work, I personally think the problem with her vtuber model are mainly only because the sectioning and rigging. As you said, the artist might not understand how layers supposed to move in live2d and the rigger might also had a hard time trying to adjust face perspective to match with the art style. The original nose might be able to come out a lot better if they section the layers differently and rig a ‘whole face’ differently. I believe they just need more communication between artist and rigger. They didn’t have to redesign her. Only need to fix the model itself a little. But mehhhh who cares. Now She has 2 designs from a very talented artist and that is super cool!!!!!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I’m so glad Redjuice got a second chance to show that with proper understanding of Live2D, he could make something hololive fans would be happy with. I think the quality of the rigging of IRyS1.0 may allude to some less than stellar communication fostered between artists and riggers who get contracted by hololive. I hope the process that Cover uses to make new models is revamped in the future.

One thing: It's been repeated a lot how 3D would have been a problem with her old design - but that's not the case at all. If anything, a 3D version would have fixed some of the issues, like the limited motion & perspective shifts or the lost details from her hair being hidden. And rigging her "complex" hair would have been much easier than for other members. You could treat it like a singular _very_ wide braid and have it move as one; setting good limits would make it _much_ easier to deal with than things like Calli's or Ina's dozens of individual strands, or outfits as complex as Sora's dress seen in the video. All the other issues with the design would have still applied, but there wouldn't have been any 3D-specific challenges with it.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for adding your insight. My expertise is illustration and I haven’t delved much into the world of 3D. This is why I left the section open and speculative. Thank you for taking the time to share!

@SKy_the_Thunder

Жыл бұрын

​@@YamAlbat No worries, I just meant it as an addition for people who might have encountered that argument before without questioning it. Of course we can't all know about everything - I myself only have a surface-level understanding of Live2D. Funnily enough, her new design is actually _more_ work to implement in 3D, with double the braids and halos, moving independently. Pretty negligible difference though. ;)

I love the Bloom and Gloom included in her outfit because she wasn’t sure where they would be but she told redjuice Papa she did want them in there because Sana designed them. But she was just as excited as everyone else when she found out they were on the sleeve 🥺🥺🥺

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

o7 sana is truly eternal. That makes Bloom and Gloom extra special! Thank you for the comment!

@kii_tsune

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat it’s super adorable. Also oof. Do not do voice to text while drawing cause that was a bit unreadable in areas haha. Great video Yam

I like the darker purple much better for her hair. The pinkish color just comes off too bright. I'm not sure, but I think her head shape is now more rectangular than circle, which is throwing me off. I also agree the horns didn't need to change. Besides those minor critiques I do like the new design. It is a shame the original was just too good for live 2D.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

I can see it! Her forehead got taller for sure. And I get why they lightened the hair for the 2.0, but I’m with you, I prefer the color of the 1.0 hair. Thanks for commenting!

@starpeep5769

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat same

@gokbay3057

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I think I prefer the darker colours of the original design more for her as well, but looking at Hololive as a whole I think the new lighter colours fit in better.

I'll be honest, I always laughed at the neuron activation meme, but seeing IRyS's redesign legit gave me a neuron activation and I've never had that with any other Vtuber new costume/design reveals. She is just absolutely GORGEOUS.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment. When I said "instant serotonin" in the video, I meant it!!! I was grinning like a fool when I saw her bright smile!

I'm so glad Redjuice was given the opportunity to make the 2.0 - it would've been so easy for HoloLive to not give them a second chance and instead move on with a different artist. Seeing the progression of not only Irys, but also her papa, got me teary eyed.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Same here! There was definitely waterworks from me at the model reveal. IRyS just looked and sounded so happy with the end result! I hope Redjuice feels accomplished with this 2.0. If cover decided to go with another artist that would have made things so awkward! Thanks for your comment!

I like Redjuice art so much. No wonder I feel attracted to Irys model old or new.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Seriously! Redjuice is a wonderful artist, I love his work both in the Vocaloid and VTuber community 💕

@manhcuong3035

Жыл бұрын

Based

If anything I would say the greatest improvement is in the rigging. My biggest criticism of her original design would be in how stiff she appeared even by vtuber standards, especially in the arms, the hair and facial expressions. Now she has probably the best movement in the EN branch. Tsui did amazing work. My other criticisms of the original design are that it was overly complicated, seemed kinda blurry in the face, and her expression seemed stuck with a distant blank look in her eyes. These appear to have been addressed, except for the first. The new model is not much simpler, her hair and skirt are only slightly less crazy. As for anything in the new model I would consider a downgrade: I miss some of the asymmetry of the original.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

I agree with all your points here! Wonderful analysis! Thanks for sharing your thoughts~

I liked her original design, and I like her redesign. As long as she is happy; that's what matters.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Overall, I’m really glad redjuice did the redesign, I was worried that he would drop or be dropped for someone else. I think it’s really clear that he learned a lot about designing a model for live 2d in mind. While the nose style has changed to the traditional dot, you can still see some gradient along the nose, especially in motion. Which I think is a nice subtle touch, many other anime style noses barely have that gradient and is just a dot (and in some cases like Coco’s old model, there was barely a dot/nose at all lol). As for the smaller horns being omitted, I wonder if that had more to do with the dual halo redesign? The lower halo might’ve visually clashed with the second set or horns. My only complaint I have is the 2.0 color palette might be a little over saturated.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I am relieved to know redjuice wasn't dropped too! He really did an excellent job. Yes there is a bit of blush underneath the dot that hint at more nose! Definitely better than nothing! I agree with your theory, that the double halo booted out the 2nd set of horns! And yes, her magenta hair is now VERY saturated. At least it will be good at grabbing attention for thumbnails! Thank you for your comment!

i’m gonna miss 1.0 a lot but 2.0 is gorgeous and i’m glad irys got her well deserved redesign

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you! I hope some ideas from the 1.0 are referenced in a future outfit for IRyS! Thank you for commenting!

The biggest thing for me was how much more expressive her face seems now. Her original design made her face seem very stiff and almost expressionless; that problem is entirely gone with her new model. Given how much VTubers use facial expressions to convey emotions, this change feels like a major improvement.

You forgot the enhanced physics of the tofu😂

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

You can thank Brian Tsui, the master tofu rigger for that enhancement 🤭

I have never heard a better description on why differently animated designs look so wildly different! It did it such justice while also keeping in mind the intricacies of the amount of trial and error character designers have to do!!!!!!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting! The trial and error phase of character design can last years. I could not balance a design like IRyS’s at my current skill level. It would take years of experience to make such an intricate design work! Redjuice is truly a talented designer!

@silentsorrow7167

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat I am seriously in awe of your work! As someone who draws and is trying to learn about rigging and such it helps to see how others progress!!

Despite the technical issues her 1.0 model still gonna be my favorite design forever. I still remember the first time i found IRyS I'm so falling in love with her model, it's so fresh and mythical it's almost like she jumped out of fantasy art book, so lovely ♥️♥️

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the warm comment! Glad to hear you have such a special connection with IRyS!

This is a great breakdown! I personally adored Irys’ 1.0 design *because* of how different it was from the other Hololive girls - she had some quirks but it was so intricate and experimental and I loved that such a big agency let something like this happen. Seeing her 2.0 model in action, its definitely objectively better as a Vtuber model - she looked *so* clear and smooth and expressive, even with out hearing her I could feel how happy she was. Still, I miss how mature 1.0 Irys looked. I love cute characters, yeah, but when *all* the big Vtuber girls are wide-eyed, round-faced, and moe-looking, Irys’s design… forgive me for this, but she kind of gave me hope for the future of big Vtubers. She was beautiful, mature, her eyes were smaller, she had a real nose, she even had full lips and dark lipstick! Her new model is noticeably lighter themed, obviously she’s brighter and has much less black in her design (i miss the contrast), but also feels more…girlish? Her eyes are still smaller than the other girls, but they shrunk her nose and lightened her lipstick and turned her hair into pigtails with bows… Idk, personally I preferred the more mature, less cute look, just as a general character design preference. Irys herself does have a bright, bubbly, girlish sort of personality though, so I kind of have to admit to myself that this look does probably suit her personality better, too. Oh well. (Sidenote, I think you’re the first bat-themed character who actually keeps the bat nose and I love you SO much for it, plus the little curls on the side of your hair and the shape of your ears - absolutely precious. This is your first video I’ve seen but I’m already excited to see what your 2.0 design will be.)

I think another point is on the colour palette. Since the original design was much darker it made all the details much harder to make out and distinguish, so on the skirt and hair it was harder to tell where one thing started and another ended without looking carefully at it.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! The color palette of the 2.0 definitely helps clarify and unmuddy things!

I am hoping the success of IRyS redesign and Azki new visuals will convince Cover that, although drastic, there may be merit in allowing their talents to update their official designs overtime, understanding that this is a much more involved process than simply getting new outfits/hairs/accessories. We may not want to admit that a vtuber's visual impacts their success metrics, but the numbers don't lie.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. VTuber technology is growing so rapidly, it's hard to hide the disparity between generations of talents. thank you for the comment!

@montanarose4622

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what point you’re trying to make, since they’ve done this multiple times in the past. Irys is not the first to get a redesign.

When I first saw Irys the appearance was definitely strange to me. Seeing the redesign I feel like I can watch her so much more easily. Something about the face of the original one made me uncomfortable. I didn't watch her at all until I started seeing the new model. It wasn't even a conscious decision. I started watching the new Irys version a few weeks ago. I only just realized there was a visual difference today, but I do believe my subconscious interest was defined heavily by the appearance. She feels more relatable and understandable now. It is really hard to put into words because I didn't even realize any of it until now. I just know that it affected my actions without me having any clue.

i didnt know how complex her 1.0 model is until i started drawing her

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

For real! I never got around to fan art for the 1.0 but that would be a very daunting design to recreate. Thanks for sharing!

I loved her first design, for me it was weird she looked so different from myth and council, but I loved it.

I always felt from debut 1.0 IrYS felt way too adherent to the character sheet, in a way that stuck out in particular because of her senpai Kiara, the product of a similarly iconic Japanese artist, huke. Kiara fit the aesthetic of huke (and goddamn does it show in her merch), but her model wasn't afraid to simplify for the clairity of motion. IrYS, in comparison, was so faithful to her reference that she actually looked like she was wearing a 90s anime mask, with dead eyes the heterochromia simply did not help and often gave her an almost crosseyed appearance. Her expressions also felt rigid and stiff with very little emotion behind them, further amplifying the uncanny effect, like looking at someone with shaved eyebrows. Yes, in stills she looked fantastic, but motion just did not work with 1.0 at all and it was distractingly noticeable even after a year of exposure. I'm so glad to see IrYS 2.0 and how happy she seems, like weights have been lifted off her shoulders.

Excellent work on the video. You analysis of Irys’ redesign make sense. I’ve been a member of hers about 3 months after her debut, Irys’ design never bothered me. What caught my interest was her humor, attitude and long gaming streams where she loves to chat about anything. I do like the new design and I’m glad Irys is very happy about it. Irys’s mood about her design has improved her mood in her most recent streams, she really deserves the love shes been getting. Thank you for the video, you earned my sub! ❤

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Ah thank you so much for giving my channel a chance and subscribing! It means a lot to me! IRyS is truly a talented individual. She's one of hololive's best when it comes to language skill, singing, and of course, entertaining an audience! I didn't personally have much issue with the 1.0, I really think it just boiled down to Redjuice's inexperience with Live 2D. However, seeing how happy the 2.0 has made IRyS, I totally think the redesign was worth it. Her feelings are the ones that matter most here afterall!

One of the things people did to show how different her model was to paste her face onto other models. Hers and Anya's were completely different and in some cases unsettling. The thing I miss is her putting on different colored stockings. I like that touch, but I'm just glad that she is so happy with the new model. You could tell how excited and happy she was throughout the entire reveal and in the stream afterwards (even if she was annoyed with the Tofu). I'm not counting on it, but I really do hope she gets her 3d model in time for Holofes.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Luckily it was just confirmed this morning that IRyS and council will be at holofes 4!!!! I can’t wait 😭💕✨

The new design is an absolute delight, it is new but doesn’t feel new at the same time, the transition is seamless. Great video btw keep up the good work. I quite enjoy these types of video essay

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Thank you for leaving a comment! I am glad redjuice was hired on again for the 2.0, otherwise it might’ve been more major of a change! He did a wonderful job updating her model~

Her original design was very unique in Hololive. I loved it. I was the Bee's knees for me.

This was a great watch, thank you so much! I really enjoyed the side by side comparison and speculation on the reasons and makings of the changes.

Her old model had the uncanny valley effect with how her nose and her face were shaped. It was something that you needed to get used to.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I've heard that a lot of her fans got used to the old one after watching her for a bit. Thank you for adding your thoughts!

nice analysis! I think Roberu from holostars has a similar problem with his painterly style. it just looks a bit odd when his head moves, and the shadows/highlights are very obviously painted on his skin and not moving naturally xD the skin on live2d vtuber faces kinda needs very simple lighting to get realistic 3d movement. I'm looking forward to the direction you take your model in the future! it's interesting seeing how you've changed and refined your themes so far :D

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Nice connection with tying back to Roberu, he totally has the same “painterly style” side effect. I’ve also found that the less shading connected to the base of the face, the easier face angles are to get right. Live 2D face angles are honestly hardest part for me (as you can probably tell from my own Live 2D model). Speaking of my own live 2D, glad to hear that you’re excited for my 2.0! I will be taking my time on it to make sure it is a proper successor to my 1.0!

@savruenvod

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat honestly i think Roberu has it better than irys 1 and doesnt look uncanny to me

Great video, you nailed it. I didn't dislike irys 1.0, but she was markedly different and stood out from the rest of the holo girls to where she felt out of place. Her papa did a fantastic job in helping her new model integrate better with the rest of hololive. The Bloom and Gloom was a beautiful touch. Sana is eternal o7

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Sana is eternal! o7 Yes, IRyS definitely stood out as different in her 1.0. Which comes with a set of pros and cons. This comment section's many IRyStocrats have told me that it was IRyS who pushed for the redesign more than anyone, so my guess is she is the one who wanted to fit in. I think Cover hired her to be a Vsinger like AZKi but she went above and beyond that and assimilated in with the other VTuber talents on top of her Vsinger duties. That may be why she wanted the 2.0 to match the rest of Hololive better. Thank you for your comment!

Love these types of videos that go into detail behind the making of what is presented, real fun to watch and find out about things we didnt know

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying so! I love watching and making these types of videos as well!

As a personal preference, I like royal purple more than magenta and I think RedJuice could have kept the hair that colour easily. With IRyS 1.0 I always thought the mouth seemed really stiff and perpetually grinning. But I dunno if it was the rigging around the mouth or a problem with the face tracking or some other issue. What I do know is the mouth is a lot more expressive in IRyS 2.0 and that tracks with the massive strides taken by riggers in the past year or so when it comes to making faces more alive and expressive. The model looks really good and I think it is gonna get her more fans who may have been put off by the appearance of IRyS 1.0.

@YamAlbat

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Agreed. I hope the darker hair can be explored again in another outfit. Perhaps because this outfit is more on the angelic side, that's why her hair was brightened up. It would be a very neat detail if more of her demonic features and darker color palette made a return in another outfit. Knowing Redjuice's attention to detail, it might just happen! For now, I am just happy IRyS got the redesign she wanted, and more viewers will give her a chance. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

A little correction, the redesign didn't come because of backlash, IRyS actually pushed for the redesign herself! She also had the wing and halo toggle with 1.0! I love how both are so recognizably Redjuice, as 1.0 is just his normal illustrative art style and 2.0 is his anime style

@YamAlbat

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Thank you for the corrections! That makes the redesign even more special to me!

I personally loved her old design and how she was different than the majority (and i personally just adore painterly styles!), BUT I do love her new design as well! Moreso, I'm very happy Iris can be happy and thrive now with a more updated model that has better physics! My only gripe I had with the old model is that the tracking was alittle wonky, as was mentioned in the video! the art wasn't really drawn with rigging in mind, so the face parameters weren't that great when moved left to right & vice versa. But in summary, I'm happy for Iris, I'm happy she's happy with an updated model! 🥰🙌🏻

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Genevieve ✨💕 so nice to see you in my comments section! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I adore her 1.0 model too. In fact, it was difficult for me to be so critical of it in this video, but I wanted to represent the sentiments of the community as objectively as possible. What really matters is how IRyS feels about it, and seeing how happy she was about it made me know that the 2.0 redesign was the right way to go!

Excellent assessment and very well thought out! I never noticed the change from a vertical to horizontal colour distribution. Very cool! Thank you for the video.

@YamAlbat

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Thank you for watching and commenting!

Thanks for sharing your video! I really enjoyed watching it. It was cool seeing how much an improvement the 2.0 is over the 1.0, as I remember feeling that the 1.0 version was off, but could not describe why. You were able to descibe pretty much what I had in mind perfectly! And hope that with her new model, IRyS can reach even greater heights than before. Looking forward to your upcoming model as well! Am interested in how it would like.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and leaving a comment Echoes! I was in your same boat when irys debuted, I couldn’t exactly put it into words what was off. Im glad I was seemingly able to articulate it in this video! The real important thing is that IRyS seems happy with her new design, and she’s the one that really counts! I’ll be taking my sweet time on my own 2.0, because there’s still some things I want to improve on before I unveil it! Hope the update is worth the wait~

this was an amazing deep dive into Irys's new design !! I would love to see a series of these kinds of videos just explaining what goes into new / updated vtuber outfit designs ! I remember watching your video about vtuber designs and you mentioned Millie Parfait's design being a good example, so I wonder what you would make of her recent new outfit !

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I know IRyS and Etheria outfits happens at the same time and I had to pick which one to cover because these videos take a lot of hours to edit. I’m thinking maybe I should start doing lower edited KZread shorts to cover more VTubers! The Etheria outfits are worth talking about!

Wow. I watched the reveal stream and her excitement and happiness were palatable. We're all so happy for IRyS! This deep dive into the redesign was extremely interesting to listen to and watch. You earned a sub. While I'm not an artist, I really enjoy the theories and thought processes behind designs. Drawing, painting, molding... many art mediums have been developed over thousands of years, so I'm thrilled to see Vtubing come into its own. Especially considering we're all able to communicate and collaborate using the Internet. Works like this video will contribute to Vtuber design's further development, and I'm very enthusiastic to see where this whole thing will go into the future.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! I am glad to hear that even non-artists are interested in what goes on behind the scenes to create a VTuber model! VTuber design is a new medium and it's developing at lightning speed!

I love IRyS 1.0! I wish I had known about her sooner, she looks so pretty and I like her older version more 💀

Amazing! Love the evolution and comparison, very well explained and informative. Also, I like the detailed noses.

@YamAlbat

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Thank you for the comment, as always! Detailed and large noses for the win! But, I'm still glad IRyS got the redesign she wanted in the end!

You made some great points I hadn't considered when first seeing IRyS but I will say I am glad she is so much more expressive now it really seems like the lack of expression on her model was holding her back a lot in everything she does. Even now watching her model bob along with the songs just suits her so intuitively.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's one of the things I noticed with the 2.0 Immediately. The expressions suit her personality better too! Thank you for your comment!

I think her original design was far superior, there were just issues with the animation for her face movements that gave an uncanny valley effect and the tutu would be hard to animate for a 3d model. Her new model is cute but in a much more generic way, but is more successful due to better animation and rigging. I wish her eyes stayed more like the first model. A little tilted and far apart and soft, which added to an otherworldly and dreamy look. Her eyes are very average now. Also should have kept the larger horns as they aren't very noticeable anymore. She looks too human now.

i just discovered your channel recently and i wanna say that this analysis video is so nice!!!! everything you explained made sense and i was really surprised how good of a point the "1.0 live 2d execution" chapter was!!!! great video, thank you! ❤

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the video. I wanted to try to be as nuanced as possible with the 1.0 break down. Just calling something "ugly" or "unappealing" without explaining what might be the problem is what many people have done in the past when talking about IRyS's model, and really bugged me! I wanted to give Redjuice the respect he deserved and look at things from his perspective!

This was very cool. I think its a very well done in depth look at the power of a process in art.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind comment! I am trying to improve at design analysis with every video entry!

Impeccable analysis, also about redjuice they're really popular back then in my local art community. When I saw them being the mama for Irys it's nice to see them finally getting into vtuber model designs, like seeing "old friend" finally getting places. Also the criticism is understandable because one rarely nail something in the first time, that does happen to me too when I first tried Live2D. If sometime in the future I want to create vtuber models I would ask for some secondary input on it to see if it works before pressing the release button.

@YamAlbat

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Yeah! Redjuice deserves the recognition! He's a very accomplished artist with a very cool style! Perhaps if the rigger and redjuice were able communicate during the illustration process, IRyS wouldn't have needed the 2.0. I hope hololive adjusts the model creation process to reflect some of the past issues when it comes to rig quality so that more artists are able to deliver the first time! Thank you for sharing!

Great analysis. And I had no idea her hair was that music note 🎵 that's a super cool design idea since she is a V-Singer I would have never known. Also, I like how your videos are super detailed and informative, im not an atrist, but I learn so much from these amazing analysis videos. Thank you for making them.

@YamAlbat

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I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video. I was so excited at the small detail of her hair shape too! It's a subtle way to embed her identity as a VSinger into the design! It warms my heart knowing that non artists appreciate my videos as well! Thank you for the comment!

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, great video!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! It was a pleasure making this video on such a talented and beautiful VTuber!

Yam your doing amazing! i love these videos! Great insight!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Gomi! Love what you do too!

It's kinda cool how it creates a fitting story to her kayfabe in that, despite how hard of a time it gave her, she still managed to rise above it and get accepted by the audience. Once again, the Hololive recruitment team is amazing. I'd thought that EN Myth would be a once in five years collection of rare talents, but they just keep finding all these amazing talents.

@YamAlbat

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For real, the amount of amazing talents who audition for hololive and then eventually get picked is wild! P.S. Thank you for teaching me the term “kayfabe!” This will be a useful vocabulary for some of my future scripts! Thank you for the comment’

I'm so glad they stick with Redjuice for the 2.0. I was lowkey worried they would get a new artist all together Also... S-Tier Tofu TSKR Redjuice papa

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Me too! If they went with another artist I would’ve been sad. How awkward would it be too, because redjuice is the original designer and just wouldn’t be credited as the current papa anymore 😭 We can thank Brian Tsui’s rigging skills for the S-Tier tofu 🤭

after watching a few of your videos, i just had to subscribe! i'm not in the vtuber sphere but your insight is just so entertaining, thorough, and charming. as an artist myself, i really appreciate your eye for detail. i look forward seeing your future content!

this was such a nice video to watch! as an artist myself, i thoroughly enjoyed going deeper into irys' design and you did a great job!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! It's really fun analyzing character design through an artist lens!

I saw Irys on her debut day and was instantly disappointed with the model. It was drawn by a legendary artist but it just didn't translate well into live2D. Good to know she got this epic redesign, it looks amazing. Also props to redjuice for being humble, learning from their mistakes, and delivering!

@YamAlbat

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Yeah Redjuice is a wonderful artist and he really delivered to the brief! Thank you for commenting!

@Homiloko2

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat Great analysis from you as well, it was a blast to watch

With 1.0, I was mainly bothered by her chin and jaw. When she moved to the side, especially looking up, it was just felt off. I didn't even realize people were bothered by her nose. Her 2.0 is just so amazing.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

From this comments section I’ve gathered that the uncanny valley look is caused by different parts for different people. For some people it’s the nose, for others it’s the eyes, and for others it’s the mouth. It’s interesting to see. Thank you for sharing your insight!

Really good analysis, Yam!

This was super interesting and really well put together. Also, I though it was funny when you were talking about the bodice wings and how they're hard to see since that was the first time I'd ever noticed them

I was surprised by how consistent Irys' face was between her versions, yet the character was very firmly made to adhere to the Hololive aesthetic. That was sorcery. I was one of the people who didn't like how Irys looked at first, but because she was so fun to watch those positive feelings transferred to her slightly wonky model. So, I was worried about the 2.0 version of her perhaps losing some Irys feeling. But she's still her. But an even better her. A really impressive artistic achievement.

Great video, you bring up points and details I had previously missed. Very interesting. Personally, I like both the 1.0 and 2.0 model, and to some degree, I’ll miss the original. But every time I see IRyS new design in action, how much more lively and expressive she is, I can’t help but to smile.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly! thank you for adding your thoughts!

This video is blowing up wow. Love the little bloopers.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I didn’t expect such success! Glad to it enjoyed my silly outtakes 😂

Great analysis! Very informative and a great summary of irys's design!

@YamAlbat

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Thank you for the thoughtful comment!

While her design is still more "complicated" compared to her other gen-mates it's much more streamlined so it's a more cohesive complication(it's moved on from knitting to crochet for a clearer reference). Overall she matches the rest of her friends while still standing out in terms of design(just look at them), which stops the uncanny effect and doesn't make her feel/look like an outside collab. Her marketability has also improved drastically, you could believably simplify the format of her character if need be and fans have clearer markers for when they create anything with her character. I've only watched this video once and I can still get a good idea of how she looks color/clothes/shape wise. Her color palette is white in the middle with darker purples/red on the bottom with lighter/brighter versions on top. Her dress has triangular edges(general puff underneath) with long sleeves and flowers on either side of her waist at different sizes. Her diamonds create a faux arrow that points towards her head and wings. she has long socks/stockings and a giant heart diamond at the center of her chest with puffy sleeves that have a mascot on on either side. Her hair is much easier to create too since they look like swirls even with their more musical design. Her silhouette is still very diamond shaped despite the changes which makes sense given her lore but that's probably more coincidence than anything. As much as people might disagree, this is objectively a better design not just for hololive but Irys herself since she's the one that pushed for this for so long/hard. I'm just glad she's happy with it and can get more involved with her hololive friends now.

@YamAlbat

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Agreed, I have already seen some very cute chibis of the IRyS 2.0, which illustrate that the elements of this design can be simplified much more effectively than her 1.0. Thanks for your comment!

You put out this video so fast. Congratz, it really shows how passionate you feel about everything. Redjuiced has a blog and he shared his thoughts there along side additional character design sheets. He mentioned being very proud of his CUTE-styled characters a he took this job very seriously. One correction: Gloom and Bloom are mascots she made with Sana and her chat. Her fans don't have a representation yet other than the silly stick figure. And also, talents can get as involved as they want with the design. For the kimonos/dresses they all were able to request ideas, only Ina respected her papa too much to say a thing. The best part of 2.0 is how happy and unleashed IRyS felt on her recent streams. I hope they fix the concave depth effect her eyes take when she looks to the sides. Good luck on your 2.0

@YamAlbat

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Thank you for sharing that extra information about Redjuice! It makes me happy to know he’s proud of it!!! I’m glad talents have input in their alternate outfits, it makes them more personal to each of them! Thank you for your in depth insight!

This was a really interesting and good vid, you went more in depth than most ppl I've seen talking about what they thought of 1.0. I always loved the wings on irys sides, but agree they were very easy to miss, overall I like the redesign more, but 1.0 will probably still be the image in my head when thinking of irys bc of how unique it was

Great Video! I have learnt a lot from it. Thank you for your explanations on how Redjuice did redesign. I would not have understand how much thought and work was put into it until you have pointed them out. It will make me come to appreciate other VTubers design. Keep up the good work!

@YamAlbat

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I’m so glad this video gave you more appreciation for vtuber design! That is the goal of my channel ✨🧡

Suddenly appears in my recommendation. Ended up watching till the very end. what a great analysis. Subscribers +1 from me. And actually im one of many people that like the 1.0 model because its kinda unique. But the 2.0 is pretty good too. Its getting simplified, but in a good way 👍

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Ah thank you so much for giving my video a chance and subscribing! I'm in your same boat, I think the 1.0 is super unique, but the 2.0 will be better for what IRyS wants to do in the future!

Redjuice was a HUGE inspiration to me as an artist when I was a kid (I was a giant vocaloid nerd back in the early 2000s) and seeing them design a VTuber is so cool. I love the 2.0 design, and I also really love the 1.0 design as well although it wasn't as well executed.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

That’s wonderful to hear! I can’t believe I didn’t hear of Redjuice until IRyS was made! I learned about the “World Is Mine” cover by doing research for this video actually! Love his art style! Great source of inspiration! Thanks for sharing!

Amazing video, thank you for this really insightful look into Vtuber character design you hardly find being discussed anywhere else. It's also very encouraging to know that even a superstar artist like Redjuice can still grow and improve his craft and expand his skills into new horizons. You never stop learning as an artist.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! I’m so glad Redjuice humbled himself and realized he had more to learn to make his VTuber child happy! He knocked it out of the park!

Wow new video drop! Great video, it felt like I was watching a Dev explain a video game characters VGU change, not simply a Vtuber model update. The memes baked in were great, hopefully you can add those in future videos.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting and for the compliment! I try to take notes and improve on the voice over and editing with each upload💕✨

i enjoy both of her designs, honestly to me the most important thing isn't if we are or the fans are happy it's if SHE is happy with it and i hope she is. I've been so busy with work lately i haven't been able to enjoy her content much lately but she seems happy still i hope.

@YamAlbat

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All the streams I saw after her reveal have been happy! I feel like she feels better represented by her 2.0! Thanks for commenting!

as a non-artist, it's interesting to hear about those struggles that came up with a model like in Irys' case I didn't even know about. also, your voice helped me calm down, so thanks for that!

that was a really nice breakdown of the changes and improvements that wouldn't have been noticed with just watching her rarely like I do, but it definitely grew the appreciation of her new model

Super good analysis! while I loved the 1.0 I can definitely understand a lot of the points brought up, and can really tell it comes from a place of love! One thing i'll mention is that it was brought up that with 2.0 she is able to hide her wings and halo, that was actually possible with 1.0 as well, it just didn't really get brought up much lol. That aside, always appreciate more love for IRyS and Redjuice in the world. Great video!

@YamAlbat

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Thank you for commenting. This video was truly coming from a place of love, I've always loved IRyS! I am not a huge stream watcher unfortunately, but her music is a mainstay of my playlist, and I will never forget her iconic debut! And thank you for clarifying on the wings and halo. I didn't notice them to be toggles of the first model! I hope this 2.0 means more attention for IRyS because she deserves every fan she gets! I'm also glad Redjuice was redeemed in the eyes of the fans because he is such a talented artist!

Interesting. First I thought "why would they redesign her, possibly comissioning another artist? Irys 1.0 looked awesome but I figured the only reasons that could arise would come from a marketing/usage standpoint before clicking the video. Seeing how redjuice developed a design as a rework with all these details in mind improving their own creation as well is really impressive. You can literally see the dedication/commitment to their work as an artist.

@YamAlbat

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I know right? I can see the hours of studying Live 2D and watching tutorial videos and practice in IRyS 2.0. Redjuice understood the brief perfectly! Thank you for your comment!

Thank you for the analysis (or I should say anAyrisis), it has been very interesting and I've learned a lot of things about character design. Good job!

I didn't know very much about vtuber design and all those layers that goes into it, thanks for explaining it well!

The redesign is so beautiful ;;

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

It really is! Redjuice papa did a wonderful job! Thank you for checking out my video, Pippa! I like your channel!

I always liked her OG design, and I did feel bad with the way people were so harsh about. I’m glad she got her new design, it looks really good.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for adding your thoughts! I agree with you!

Nice video this taught me more about the live2d art styles

Such a great video. You made everything you talked about super easy to understand for a person that doesn’t know anything about the intricacies of vtuber/character design and L2D. I’ve always loved IRyS and this video gives me a greater appreciation for her new model although the old one will definitely be missed. A job well done from both yourself and redjuice

1st time I saw her I didn't like her 1st model much, but later I grew to love her 1st models very much and miss her

@YamAlbat

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I think that is a common sentiment among her fans. I think people's view of her softened after watching her for a while, and her 1.0 became endearing to her fans overtime. I'm sure everyone will get used to her 2.0 the same way! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

@GaryRocksGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@YamAlbat Thank you for the amazing video about IRyS designer and her 1.0 lore

New is great but I am going to miss the darker 1.0 color palette dearly. The new one is very saturated and less angular which was precisely what I liked about 1.0. This wont stop me from being fan tho Great Vid

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

I agree, the new color palette is very saturated and bright. I hope her darker color palette may make a return in an alternate outfit, maybe her kimono will be more demon themed!

Thank you for making this, as a content creator, and self-created VTuber, this helps me out with making considerations for how I'd want to convert my model from VRoid to Live 2D and what to take note of and how to match the changes This helps clear the clouds of the mountain I've got ahead of me and what I need to learn with my works

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Redjuice's work definitely helped me study for my own 2.0! I'm glad I was able to break it down in a way that inspires you for your own 2.0. Best of luck with the Live 2D version!

This was a fantastic breakdown for Irys' new model. I love her voice and her overall design especially in the 2.0. The colors really pop! Thanks for the great work Yam! Also, all rise for big nose!

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Big nose superiority! Thank you for taking the time to leave a kind comment!

Be sure to support IRyS and Redjuice! They are both highly talented individuals! IRyS's Channel: www.youtube.com/@IRyS Redjuice's Twitter: twitter.com/shiru

@Sweetlordv2

Жыл бұрын

Me & me friends love our precious Hope iRyS because of her nice personality & singing 🎹😇❤❄💎 we actually dont really care whatever bad things others says like her appearance, etc..

@AexisRai

Жыл бұрын

12:20 It's spelled "brooch" but it's pronounced "broach". Some digging says the etymology turns out to be the same for both words: "broche", Old French noun for pointed weapon or implement, was borrowed into Middle English with that spelling for both that meaning and for the ornamental pin, later diverging spelling "broach"/"brooch" respectively (with same pronunciation) to distinguish those two meanings, with the former also getting used as a verb, initially literally "to pierce", later metaphorically "to introduce a subject" as if to pierce the conversation with your incoming new topic.

A while back when discussion o IRyS 2.0 was happening one of the things I pointed out to people was that her model isn't squared but is at an angle. Her left (viewer's right) shoulder and hip are higher up. This made her Live 2.0 avatar move in a weird way that it doesn't look like she's quite right. That may have also contributed to the uncanny valley feel of her avatar. I personally wouldn't say I have a problem with her artstyle though I can see why people would find it distracting. Roberu of Holostars also exists in an art style that causes him to clash when doing collabs. IRyS 1.0 and Roberu both suffer of the same low resolution look when doing collabs. That didn't stop him from getting a 3D model. IRyS 2.0's model has her shoulders and hips squared to the camera. That immediately jumped out at me. IRyS 2.0 is more expressive and I think she's also happier from what I can hear in her voice. I do hope IRyS 2.0 gets a Dark Mode. She is supposed to be half angel and demon, so if this is her angel form, her demon form would have the black stars above in her halos and a largely black dress and not so shiny and bright.

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Ohhh I see it now! thank you for adding your insight! I bet Brian Tsui's rigging helped with the expressiveness too! I hope we do get a demon dominant form to her as well! Wouldn't it be sooooo cool if she had a dark demon form for her kimono outfit?! I hope we get to see it someday!

This is the first Video ive seen from your Channel and i am simply amazed! Everything is Top Notch! The Structure, the Narration, the Pacing, the Graphics used aswell as your in-depth but simply explained insights into what influences the Design were to such an extend that i was expecting you to have a Million Subs 😅 I hope you reach this Milestone one day and wish you great Success with your V-Tubing endevours 😁👍

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh wow! Thank you for the flattering comment! I’m still new to videos, so I try to improve in each aspect with every entry. Thank you for noticing my hard work, and taking the time to leave a lovely comment!

Interesting and nuanced breakdown/analysys, great job. :)

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind comment!

You were right when saying the 1.0 design is really good for a still artwork. But putting said artwork into motion, it just feels off. I love IRyS and her I enjoy streams but I gotta admit that I really didn't like her old design, because of how awkward and uncanny it was. And based on how excited and super happy she was with IRyS 2.0, it's safe to assume she didn't love the old one as well. It could be why Cover probably pushed for a new look. Her papa did deliver and perfected the theme and appearance with IRyS 2.0. My only problem was people pretending that the 1.0 model had no issues whatsoever. That's just a big cope imo; IRyS knew it, Cover knew it, Redjuice knew it, that's why the redesign happened

@YamAlbat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I heard some people saying that the 1.0 is “ugly,” and it just isn’t the case. It’s a wonderful illustration, just like all the characters redjuice has designed! I know a lot of people had an issue with the 1.0, but redjuice nailed the hololive aesthetic with the 2.0, and Brian Tsui did a wonderful job rigging! so I don’t think that’ll be a problem anymore!