Platonic solids was the word you were looking for. The D10 is not one of them. Tetrahedron (D4), hexahedron (D6), Octohedron (D8), Dodecahedron (D12), Icosahedron (D20)

I love T&T. The older I get the more I drift away from D&D and toward T&T. Love St. Andre's conversational, easy-going writing, as you point out. Also, I love the way T&T is organized. You can tell St. Andre was a librarian. It's a much different reading experience than the heavy work of reading Gygax's game writing. St. Andre's writing is a pleasure to read. I've played T&T solo without much success however. Some of the dice counts become unwieldy and Luck rolls are tough when you have a low score. I do love the overall system and St. Andre is quick to say customize it to suit your play style.

@heneagedundas

5 ай бұрын

T&T was the first RPG I played, that would have been 1975 or 1976.

Origins 1975 convention, what a seminal moment in gaming and game design!

@daddyrolleda1

Ай бұрын

Right?! So much happened in just that one year, it's crazy!

I discovered your channel a few months ago, but I have to say that you put out some of the best oldschool RPG content I've seen. Always a highlight of my night when you release a video. Because it's just you talking with no background music or sound effects, they're ideal for listening to in bed on sleepless nights, which occur all too often for me. Thank you for the videos.

Would love to see more on Tunnels & Trolls. Used to see articles for it in magazines and the adverts in the 80's-90's but I never bought a copy (too many other things to buy, too little money).

Those were good days. Boot Hill, Gamma World, Top Secret, Star Frontiers, and AD&D. 👍💪👊

It's always nice to hear the backstory to the "original" role playing games.

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I'm really glad you enjoyed it! I think it's important to remember the creators, why they made these games, and how their creations nearly 50 years ago influenced and shaped the hobby we enjoy today! Thanks for watching and commenting.

@comradestannis

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1 Love the history aspect of your videos.

Back in the late 1970s, we used Tunnels & Trolls to run a Monty Python and the Holy Grail campaign.

I remember boot hill. I saw it in the fall of 1975 at the hobby shop.

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Ooh, that's awesome! By the time I started gaming in 1981, it was the 2nd Edition that was out. I still have a tiny desire to try to track down the original digest size book. Thank you for watching and commenting!

I'd like to see a history of mindflayers and a history of rangers

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I will add those to the list of potential future topics! Note that I have covered the origins of the Ranger here, but I have yet to do a "deep dive": kzread.info/dash/bejne/goOGyMt7o9eceKg.htmlsi=0NepaWU-OIKpyVho Thanks for watching and commenting!

En Garde is a fascinating game. It is a almost a rpg. It started as a dueling simulator that evolved into a social simulator. Your goal is to climb the social ladder by achieving status through rank and privilege. I own a recent edition of the game and there is a sizable online community that play the game via email.

Played T&T solo for many years. I remember finding it through the PBM company Flying Buffalo, where I also played Starweb for years. Rick Loomis, the creator of Flying Buffalo, was a great man... met him many times, such an awesome guy! Met Ken St Andre once, and I can't remember how his name was pronounced when he was introduced... which to me meant that's the way it was pronounced. If it was unusual, I would probably remember.

I thought my friends were playing Boot Hill wrong but now I learn what a simple game it was. I added zombies to Boot Hill once with great success. You have peaked my interest on Tunnels and Trolls and quelled my interest on En Garde. Good job!

"I don't care if it makes sense" But maybe you should, because I've more than a few games melt down and nearly every one came from somebody playing with their imagination and what they think should happen verses what the rules say should happen. So kudos to T&T for fixing that problem with AC. It makes me think that maybe we should have been playing it instead of D&D. Damn the tyranny of successful brand names :-) Once again, excellent insightful video, but you really should think about splitting long ones like this into smaller more focused videos. I had a lot of interesting things to say about Boot Hill, but I don't remember them now. Anyways, until the next one. Cheers!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

You'll be happy to know you are in the esteemed company of my wife, who thought I was crazy once I told her that I'd recorded and was going to push forward a video that was 2 hours and 15 minutes long! One of the downsides of not writing a script is that I don't really know how long a video is going to be when I start recording. On my phone, I can easily see how much time is going by, but when I record on the computer while I was going through the PDFs of 1E Boot Hill and Tunnels & Trolls, late at night while everyone was asleep, I had no idea how much time had elapsed. Once I figured it out, I just didn't have it in me to try to re-record those videos to talk about how it was split into two parts. My wife said I should have just added a short video at the beginning to explain how I *thought* I was going to cover all four games, but it was too much, so I split it into four videos. And I did consider that, but from a "channel marketing perspective," I've noticed that whenever I upload and publish a "Part 2" of a topic, it gets significantly fewer views than the original part, so I figured i would use this as a test to see if people wanted to sit through a super long video. It's not an indication of what will come in the future, but this video already is showing a "watch time" that's about +30% higher than other shorter videos! Anyway, thank you so much for watching, commenting, and for your support of the channel. I really mean it. It means a lot that you took the time to write a comment. I appreciate it. Cheers!

@jdmcdonnell71

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1Thanks! And it's good to hear that somebody agrees with me :-) I'm definitely not complaining. It's impressive that you can hold my attention for that long, usually I pass on anything more than 30 minutes long. Most of the time when I see a time signature that's one hour or longer I suspect that it's a bunch of people doing an aimless video chat session (and usually I'm right) and pass on it. The Part 2 thing is a bit of a turn-off, so just don't mention it. Release it as three videos, one about Boot Hill, one about Tunnels & Trolls and one about Engarde! Of course, this could also backfire. It could be that there's far more interest in T&T than Boot Hill and Engarde! And by combining all three of them in one video it would get more attention than the topics divided. Or it could be they might get more, thanks to the videos being shorter and more focused. SEO is not my strong point. One last thought about T&T and rules that "make sense" You said that T&T has been though 8 revisions with only cosmetic changes, meanwhile D&D dramatically changes from edition to edition. Maybe if D&D's rules made more sense there would be less of a demand to change them.

Tunnels and Trolls is such a great system for solo play!

@comradestannis

5 ай бұрын

I should try solo play but I don't know where to start.

@shallendor

5 ай бұрын

@@comradestannis If you have the rules, then Death Trap Equalizer Dungeon or Buffalo Castle, if you don't have the rules, then try to get the books with 2 solo dungeons, that also have enough rules to play the solo adventures!

@jsorryman

5 ай бұрын

I wish T&T had gotten more GM-led dungeons. As rightly famous as it is for solo play, multiplayer is where the game really shines.

@comradestannis

5 ай бұрын

@@shallendor Sounds good, thanks

Thanks for this! I recall playing En Garde! in the late seventies in my gaming group, and later in the early nineties as play-by-mail. I'd love to see you continue to some of the other games that came out later over the seventies.

For those that have never played it, a lot of the subtitles within the En' Garde rules make it into the traveller rules, further more the traveller rules themselves allow for very low technology settings suitable for ancient / medieval / Rennaissence time lines (2000bc - 1600ad). One thing you may like to add is all the 'solo' adventures available for Tunnels and Trolls. Also Flying Buffalo; the pubishers of Tunnels and Trolls produced a pretty good magazine in the last 70's Sorcerer's Apprentice which featured (through short stories) how the game(s) could be played.

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for this. I think that Traveler and Tunnels & Trolls both deserve a full video at some point in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@stevekillgore9272

4 ай бұрын

Greed, the Solo adventures were quite a feather-in-their-cap for the T&T line.

Great content. I learned quite a few things I didn't know and really enjoyed taking this stroll down memory lane!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Wow! That is a huge compliment coming from you! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, and also for your support of the channel. Thank you so much!

Thanks Martin! I am So enjoying your history you are sharing!

@daddyrolleda1

19 күн бұрын

I am so happy to hear that! Thank you for watching, and for letting me know. Cheers!

VERY COOL info about the origin of the term "Dungeon Master". I can dig it!

@daddyrolleda1

2 ай бұрын

So glad you liked that! Thanks for watching and commenting!

Intriguingly T&T included a concept called the Mega-death save; that made its way into 1E as the Death save required when a character takes 50 points of damage from a single cause.

@jsorryman

5 ай бұрын

If I'm not mistaken, the Megadeath Saving Roll was from Mercenaries, Spies & Private Eyes, published in 1983. MSPE used T&T's rules as its core, but these were expanded by Michael Stackpole. I don't see any Megadeath Saving Rolls in T&T's rules. One thing Tunnels & Trolls DID do was to use the term "Dungeon Master" in print before D&D (though the term was already in use in the D&D community).

Hopefully you’ll cover the Arduin Grimoire supplements

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I will add those to the list of potential future topics. Thanks for watching and commenting!

This channel is amazing! My friends in college played DnD (4e, I believe), but I never did anything beyond rolling a character. To fast forward, my son wants to get into the hobby and I've been looking into the various TTRPGs available--we're leaning towards OSE--and this channel really caught my eye during research. You really deserve more subs, lovely stuff.

Been playing since elf was a class. Would like to thank you for a look at the old days.

Fantastic trip back to when I was 10, some or most of my memories of that age are of my D&D games. I would love a review of the second TSR game I bought, Dawn Patrol. I remember the beautiful and cool game tokens and unfolding the western front map on the dining room table

d10 are not "regular" polyhedra, because the faces of the d10 are not a regular shape (lengths of all sides would be the same in regular). I also just found out the regular ployhedrons are also known as the Platonic solids, Plato ascribed some philosophical attributes to them I guess?

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

The "Platonic Solids" name always cracked me up. I am clearly not a maths person and I struggled over that name. Not sure if you were watching while listening but I did put a note up on the screen to try to correct my flubbing of the definition, and I mentioned how D10s are not "Platonic Solids" just like you said! Thank you so much for commenting! This was a beast of a video and I really appreciate your support. Cheers!

@DoctorTurdmidget

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1Read the Wikipedia article about Platonic Solids. Plato had some really weird ideas about them. He was more obsessed with them than we are.

@NineteenNinety

2 ай бұрын

I just wanted to add that all faces are the same shape, have the same surface area, and all edges are the same length (which was already mentioned, but I reiterated because these are the three features of platonic solids).

As a player since 1976 I really am enjoying your channel. As a college professor who lectures for hours a day I know just how hard it is to be off-the-cuff and still be coherent. You do it so well, bravo. I also really enjoy your closing segment, yes all day to Coltrane.

Definitely agree with you on Art & Arcana! I read it every once in a while for the nostalgia!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Totally! Thank you so much for watching and commenting. Also, I dig your name (Roland?). It's a family name on my mom's side of the family, but spelled with a "W" (Rowland). It was originally a last name way back in the 1800's but became a middle name for many folks in my family.

@R0land1199

5 ай бұрын

@olleda1Yeah, the display is a bit unusual but it is usually R0land1199 mostly because Roland is always taken. :) It's not a family last name but it has been a first name in my families past a few times. Thanks for the reply! (Figured out how to fix the commenting name.)

I remember mostnof these games from ads in Dragon magazine, honestly never played any of them, but i did read through boot hill. I was always way more interested in telling a story than simulation style games.

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

My first exposure to Boot Hill was because a friend at school had a copy (after I'd discovered Dungeons & Dragons via Moldvay Basic) and he didn't want it any more, so he sold it to me for $1.00. This was the Second Edition in the box, but it was missing the map, counters, and dice, so it was just a banged up box and the rulebook. I finally got a "nicer" copy decades later on Ebay! EPT was one I first heard about via Best of Dragon Volume I but I never saw it in a store for sale. It was just this "mythical game" until Ebay was invented much later. My boxed set of EPT that I show in the video was one of the very first things I ever bought on Ebay more than 23 years ago!

Absolutely loved boot hill back in the late '70s. And yes, player character death was common.

In 1974 my gaming group had a set of homebrew fantasy skirmish rules that we used to play with the Minifigs Middle Earth figures. We had a concept of a Personality Figure, but never made the leap of having each player controlling one such figure (plus its underlings). Our rules might or might not have been based on a half-remembered version of Chainmail, but they were viewed as homebrew when I first encountered them.

I see you picked up on the subtle hints I dropped about my fondness for T&T. Very clever. Excellent background on my favorite fantasy RPG - I learned a great deal!

@daddyrolleda1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, Bill! I'm so happy to see you here!

@williamconnors1510

4 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1 You never know where I will pop up! By the way, thanks for the shout out!

Another exploration of the early history of our hobby. Great content. Thanks a ton

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching and commenting, as always! I really appreciate your continued support of the channel.

@RuiSaltao

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1 please, if anyone is to be thankful it's us! I particularly liked you going over the T&T game. I'm fascinated by game design and the nuance between that and D&D is interesting. It's cool to see the impact of different approaches, even simple things like how they name things, have to the overall feeling of the game. On the big debate of what's the 2nd RPG... To me these are all the second. All of them were directly inspired by playing D&D first as well as other stuff like the fiction they loved or the preference of their own groups. Neither of them influenced each other when creating this wave of games in 75, I don't think, only by the possibilities they saw when playing such a disrupter and innovator like OD&D. Does it really matter that "I finished my draft 2 months earlier than you", or "I had 100 copies on sale at a convention a few months earlier than you"?

Great stuff. Thanks for all your hard work. BECMI Forever! Long Live King Elmore!!

@daddyrolleda1

2 ай бұрын

I really appreciate that! Thanks a lot for your support, and for watching and commenting!

Great video as always. It’s was cool to see a more in-depth look at Boot Hill. And I think you can see a progression from tunnels and trolls to something like DCC.

"A Dynasty of Western Outlaws" (Paul Wellman) is great because it tracks the members of the Quantril-James gang through to the 30's (yes, Pretty Boy Floyd's gang traced lineage of members back to the 1860s) so that you could slyly reference you Boot Hill game in your Gang Busters game. T&T was fun in that it moved quick. Blade games came on wirh a game called "Mercenaries, Spies & Private Eyes" and MSPE was imo the highest evolution of the game. I still use the doubles add and reroll mechanic today. The levels of success generated by this ate great for determining results even in D&D. Fun little blast from the past, thanks for the video, I dig it with a shovel baby!

@comradestannis

5 ай бұрын

Noice.

En Guarde developed a very large PBM following, that continues as PBeM even today

@stevekillgore9272

4 ай бұрын

WOW, I didn't know

few days late but thanks for giving some sunshine on those games, especially Boot Hill. One of my real favorites from that classic era of games. I was one of those who had asked that you give your thoughts on that game (Top Secret upcoming?? fingers crossed). Anyhow it wasn't just a subject from those days where the Western was still a popular (if waning) art form, it was also a game from the classic RPG era. Who needs 'rules' for campaigns or running a true RPG game when you have the good grey matter and imagination the good lord gave us children of the 70's and 80's before video games and the internet rotted away young people's imaginations haha. You made them up and winged it and just had fun doing it. Great video Martin!!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I am so glad you enjoyed it! It was such a long video (my wife said I was crazy for publishing a 2+ hour video), so thanks for sticking through it. I think you might like the next video I plan to publish. Stay tuned.

@michaelberry6016

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1 too long?? Nah. Funny thing is Martin, and your wife should probably know it. I probably wouldn't feel it right to say so but I have seen others make the comment so it isn't just me (or my wife who listened in as I watched it and who said the same) you have a very pleasant, very relaxing voice. Podcast easy listening (even been in band) and sort of easy to sit through and lose time so ...2 hours?? Whatever man. Though I must admit getting a kick out out of video you did not that long ago where you said at at the start you were making a brief video.. I looked down and saw it was over an hour long and sort of laughed out loud. My kind of person.

I've been learning a lot from you, thanks for the great videos!

It would be interesting tracking skills mechanics, as well as social interaction mechanics from their origination through games that are out today.

@daddyrolleda1

Ай бұрын

I can add that to the list. Thanks for the suggestion!

Never heard of "Rules for the Game of Dungeon" before. This (and Blackmoor), proves that 2D6 is a pretty solid mechanic, that was right there at founding of RPGs. Here in Brazil and in most of the world outside EUA and Europe, 2D6 rpgs were lingua franca until at least late 2000s. People don't understand how expansive and hard it was to find "rpg" dice. I would love to watch more content on the early rpgs, especially if they use D6 exclusively, has I relate learning rpg with a 2D6 homebrew in early 2000s.

You can make as long videos as you like to I really enjoyed listening to this entire thing in one sitting I was cleaning up my resin models that I 3D printed and just having a blast learning about the early role-playing days.

Great work. I enjoyed your perspective

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I'm so glad to hear that! Thank you so much for letting me know, and for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it.

Cool. A Love Supreme is one of my favorites, but I don't have the complete masters version

I also stick around for the drinks and the records. Don’t stop doing jazz if that’s what you love. It’s not my favorite but if it’s yours then talk about jazz. Personally, I loved the ska, so more of that would be cool.

@eltonshaffer9824

3 ай бұрын

Haha, i thought i was posting this on your Blackmoor video with the Star Wars drink 😂😂😂

@daddyrolleda1

2 ай бұрын

Well, thank you for watching both videos! I listened to a lot of ska back in high school and early college but sadly most of that collection is on audio cassette and a few CDs, but I know off the top of my head that I have at least one more ska album I can chat about! I really appreciate you watching through the bonus content. I have quite a bit of fun putting that together, and I really do record my videos "in order" so that's the last thing I do before importing all the videos into my video editor, so it's kind of a nice "relaxing" moment for me to take a breath and chat about something a little less "serious" (if that makes sense). Cheers!

Can we get you to do an episode on Traveller one of these days?

@randyandrews1980

5 ай бұрын

I would also love an in depth look at Traveller.

RPGs didn't invent homebrewing. We played historical miniature games for years before D&D came out and there were always house rules that varied from the rules as written. We were all historical wargaming nerds and we argued about the rules and came up with variations. We took that habit with us when we came across D&D (summer of 1974). I think it's built into D&D because that came out of skirmish miniature rule (Chainmail man to man). Imo, based on what we did of course. There wasn't a lot of communication between groups in widely spread areas (no internet) except maybe conventions. My two cents anyway.

@heneagedundas

5 ай бұрын

Very true. It was very common for historical wargaming to be done with home made rules, even with the presence of WRG rules in the early 70s.

I use boot hill for ranged combat and en garde! + chainmail for duels is nice

Lots to cover in this vid. I have played them all, but except for T&T iit's been many years ago. T&T is still a decent lite TTRPG. Don't know that you mentioned it being supported by solo adventure mods. Cheers!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for watching and commenting, and yes, I didn't mention it as I was just sort of cursorily going over it, but several folks have mentioned its solo adventures. That's something I'll have to dig into some day, as I've never tried solo roleplaying. Cheers!

TnT was a great little game but I couldn’t get friends to play it so I collected the solos. Shame. I loved the spell descriptions; Smaller is Smarter - Bigger is Better for example 😂 and the excellent Take That, You Fiend

I know Tunnels and Trolls as a play-by-mail game not a D&D-like roleplaying game. At school play-by-mail games were a big deal with us nerds (as was D&D). I wonder if that is because a play-by-mail company helps got T&T started. Also, I thought T&T was more of a lighthearted younger-kid D&D, so it’s interesting to hear other people might also have assumed it was a kid game due to the name.

Since early players virtually always improvise and homebrew, it's right to call Boothill a rpg. They would come up woth rules for social interaction and character backgrounds. OD&D was "fantasy wargame rules", the rpg term was not invented yet. I would love an in depth review of Boothill, as well as homebrew content for it!

I dig the history videos, even if it’s gonna take me while to get through this one. Have you considered doing an early history of non tsr games, particularly Traveller, which is about as old as games get? (I had, but never go to play, Megatraveller) ok I realize there is some nonTSR in this one…

@neil_chazin

5 ай бұрын

(Ok I admit I’ve talked asleep to this twice, which is no shade, falling asleep to things I like is my jam) - please cover Traveller history more!

I love these history videos.

I think the complication (even more than Dungeon) is that if Boot Hill 1e is a RPG/Wargame hybrid then so is Western Gunfight and that predates OD&D. (And we know that Gygax was aware of the game and was following the writeups).

Definitely interested in a stand-alone of T&T. Also, how about: · Aftermath · Twilight 2000 There was a series of books that consisted of tables to have the trajectory of the bullet. Does anyone know the title?

Thanks!!!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! I really hope you enjoyed it! That was a beast to put together and my wife told me I was crazy for making a 2+ hour video. In hindsight, she was probably correct, but it's performed pretty well, even so. Cheers!

@DMTalesTTRPG

5 ай бұрын

You are a mad scientist!@@daddyrolleda1

Nice video and review. T&T used to be oone of my favorites for solo play. The solo play modules that they did could be played over and over and never have the same game twice. I used to play Boot Hill I combined it with Top Secret for a version of wild wild west.

I’d love a video on Boot Hill, just funny it really never took off, I wonder if that’s because there are no levels, or maybe bullets kill you no matter what type of thing. I just think it’s a great platform for role playing. The western genre is still popular today in movies, tv etc.

@coachlarry6773

5 ай бұрын

I’d love at deep dive into the 1979 version, it seems more role playing friendly.

I had T&T back in the day, it was more of a solo game, lots of solo modules for it, so you could play it between D&D games or if you could not find a group. The more you played the more it became just masses of d6 to do combats and didnt seem to have much depth to it (or at least in my experience)

I used to love percentile dice systems, then it dawned on me that a d20 is just a d100 but increments of 5%, which is kind of a negliable amount to play an RPG. 1% points might be too granular. Still, I don't know what the odds are for rolling a d20 vs two d10s. But you could run an entire system just off the d20 like the XDM system. This all to say I prefer d6 systems now.

I always enjoy your history videos, especially moving beyond just D&D, and into the additional early games in the genre! Boot Hill is an odd middle-of-ground ruleset. Really more of a gunfight simulator, as I see it, with a handful of roleplaying elements tracked on. I've read it, but never had any interest in playing it. T&T always came off to me as D&D lite, but again, I've never played it.

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

It's been suggested I could/should have referred to Boot Hill as a "skirmish game" which makes sense. But I agree with your interpretation as well, having played it a bit as a kid. We never played campaigns with it. We just created gunfighters and had shoot-outs. The "roleplaying" came from us coming up with a name, personality, and description of our gunfighter. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@Gaurelin

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1 You keep making them, and I'll keep coming back to watch them! ☺️

@owenbloomfield1177

5 ай бұрын

I owned Boot Hill as a kid. I got into getting my hands on every RPG I could. It frustrates me at the time that it was pretty much just a simulator, and so hard to run an extended campaign.

@Gaurelin

5 ай бұрын

@@owenbloomfield1177 Honestly, it didn't interest me much at the time, as I've never really understood the appeal of the Western genre personally. Once I realized other RPGs beyond D&D were a thing, I mostly went for Sci Fi or other Fantasy games. I was big into Metamorphosis Alpha & Star Frontiers in the early 80's.

@owenbloomfield1177

5 ай бұрын

@@Gaurelin I played a lot of Star Frontiers in the 80s. That and Gangbusters.

Decent video. I would definitely like to see more videos like this. However, I would also like to see more videos that just kind of go over the individual games themselves. For example, I totally support the idea of doing a full review of tunnels and trolls and it's legacy. I would definitely love to see a video on that. Also, would you be willing to do a video dedicated to Barons of Braunstien? I know that's technically not a role playing game, but since it was so integral to the creation of RPGs, I think it would be worth looking at it. Although, I will say it does appear that the game wasn't published until 2013 if I remember correctly. So, you'd be reviewing a game that was made back in the 70s but not published until the 21st century. Not sure how you would feel about that. But, I do hope you consider it. Also, would you be willing to do a review to some science fiction role-playing games? (Stuff like Star frontiers, gamma world, metamorphosis alpha, and traveler). I think it would be fun to just do a video. Looking at the early science fiction role playing games of the hobby. But yeah, that's all I got for now. Hope you consider my suggestions. Thanks for reading through my comment and have a good day

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it. I have you covered on Gamma World and Metamorphosis Alpha: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIR4ytF6d7q8h9o.htmlsi=thtU8TMtZIHQDnJQ I've also *briefly* talked about TSR's boxed games here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZpZtxsWBdKTXdtI.htmlsi=SkkO7UH4N2Ttr7II And I've talked about Braunstein here and there throughout the channel. This one is probably the most relevant: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hKaWx8uYmNuqnrQ.htmlsi=cuUvuu_rnzEGlpkD I hope you enjoy all those and stick around! Star Frontiers has definitely been a game folks have asked me to cover, and it's one I played back in the 80's, so it's on my list of "potential future videos." Thanks again!

RE Boot Hill , a Character's "hit points" equal their Strength score, albeit "sudden death" wounds can occur - the game is definitely NOT for modern Snowflakes. Yes, there's no XP but as you read each gunfight your Character survives improves some of the status- and I always applied that principal for barfights, brawling and hand-to-hand combat to improve other stats including Strength.

Hell ya!

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I hope you enjoy it! It's was quite an endeavor to put together - multiple days of research, recording, and editing!

@bobert2999

5 ай бұрын

@daddyrolleda1 by the look of it I'm SURE!

Great video. Quick question: Can you provide a source for Gary Gygax investing $1,000 in starting Tactical Studies Rules? Don Kaye's investment of $1,000 that he took out from his life insurance policy is well established. It has never been clear that Gary, whose family was reported to be in a financial bind at the time, had that kind of capital or invested his own money. I was under the impression Gary's investment was sweet equity while Don provided the cash. Happy to change this view based on evidence to the contrary.

I feel like this could be much more concise and focused than it is. It really shouldn't have taken 12 minutes to get to Boot Hill when so much of what was discussed was what is considered truly published.

This is a great video so far, but I already feel that it's going to be too long (I'm at the 20:00 mark, btw). I'll keep watching and listening, however.

@comradestannis

5 ай бұрын

Nvm, I'd say it was worth it.

Are you going to GaryCon?

Perfect Platonic solids is what you were thinking of... and yeah, d10s were not Platonic solids.

kinda big thing to gloss, and let people 'do their own research,' on at the 2 hour mark before Empire of the Petal Thorn. In March 2022, "The Tekumel Foundation Board of Directors wants to acknowledge that our research shows Professor M.A.R. Barker wrote Serpent’s Walk, an anti-Semitic novel that was published under a pseudonym in 1991."

@daddyrolleda1

3 ай бұрын

I mentioned it before in my detailed video that was dedicated to EPT which is why I didn't feel it necessary to bring it up again. The less time given to allow more people to come into my comments to try to claim that "it was a different time" or to tell me to "separate the art from the artist," the better. Most folks aren't aware of the vile things Barker did, and I'd rather not bring attention to it so as to give misguided folks the illusion that they are welcome here to try to explain why it's okay he had those horrific beliefs.

I would have loved to watch the whole video, but just over 15 minutes in and already 3 ads. Hopefully you will sort out the ads for your next video...

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

I don't select where the ads go or how often they appear. When you make your videos, you can either select "Monetize" or "Not Monetize." Sorry it was a problem for you. Thanks for trying.

@xzanman

5 ай бұрын

there are settings for midroll ads, I don't mind a reasonable amount of ads. anyway keep up with the vids they are great.@@daddyrolleda1

d10s are not platonic solids

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Yes, that was *exactly* the term I was struggling to come up with while talking! That's what I get for not writing scripts. I figured it out later so if you watch the video at that point, you'll see that I put a little text box up in the corner to clarify what I was saying.

@DMTalesTTRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@daddyrolleda1 I’ll keep watching, literally just saw a video on them this week!

@Jeezusehchrist

5 ай бұрын

Good ole Jordphan lol I saw that video too

@DMTalesTTRPG

5 ай бұрын

@@Jeezusehchristit was really good.

Congratulations on getting a photo of Don! in describing boot Hill I think what you’re trying to say it is a skirmish game. there was actually a set of western role-playing games in the Twin Cities called brownstone. I do find it disingenuous in thinking that periodical printing even a fanzine game is not considered publishing. That’s rather snobbish MMSA was originally started by David Wesely and one other gentleman. And David Arneson joined up within the first year 1963. as David Wesley had started doing his Braunstein role-playing game. And I do take a shit every time you keep saying it’s Proto. There was absolutely nothing Proto about its role-playing aspect. There was no combat elements to confuse it with a war game. And it wasn’t a scrimmage game either. That was out course until David Arnesen decided to have a duel with someone David did four variations on the scan with four different scenarios. The games were not persistent or carried into the other. That wasn’t until Dwayne Jenkins created his version called brownstone. and of course a little bit later you have David Arneson with his medieval Braunstein. which did include combat but was definitely a role-playing game. The combat wasn’t really formalized until several months into the game in which he decided to adopt the Chainmail rules but at the time it wasn’t called chainmail and it came from Domesday volume five. More than happy to get you a copy everyone of the researchers have gotten that wrong. And I find it annoying. The direct quote from David Arneson was it came from the periodical Domeday where they did not have the fantasy supplement yet, that was something he pushed to have. your reviews seem to be very centered from the narrative coming out of Wisconsin rather than actually going to where it began. There has been a lot of reinterpretation of what happened in Minnesota out of Wisconsin. And people keep screwing that up it’s interesting that boot Hill is more of a scrimmage game. Whereas brownstone, the Western developed by Dwayne Jenkins around 1970 was definitely a role-playing game. It’s well documented the stories they had as each Lee characters assume various roles. David Arnesen had a very famous character in that game as well. So you have brown Stone the first western role-playing game which actually predates Blackmore the role-playing game. like said anytime you have a gap in your knowledge feel free to reach out to me on Facebook. Apparently have researched what you have been told from Wisconsin but haven’t reciprocated with what was going on in Minnesota or predates what you’re Seeing.

@daddyrolleda1

5 ай бұрын

Nice to hear from you. Thanks for watching and commenting. I searched and searched online for over a week looking for a picture of Don Kaye and couldn't find one except a very tiny picture that was on the back cover of a book Rob Kuntz was writing about Don Kaye (which sounds interesting now that I know it exists - have you read/heard about it?). But it was too small to use in the video. But upon seeing that picture, I realized I'd seen a larger version before - in the Secrets of Blackmoor documentary. So I pulled out my Blu-Ray copy, found the scene, paused the screen, and took a photo with my cellphone. It was the best I could do, and although I did my best to cover up my windows, you can actually see the window shade reflections toward the bottom of the picture. "Skirmish Game" would probably have been an easier way to say what I took more words to say. As you know, I don't script my videos but talk off the cuff based on bullet points I've taken, so a lot of times I will get flustered when I forget a word. I do try to practice what I'm going to say during my morning walks, but because I don't write it down, it sounds different every time I say it. I am aware of Brownstone and have mentioned it in a few of my previous videos (once I accidentally credited it to "Dave" Jenkins instead of "Duane" but I fixed it in the show notes and I offered a correction later in a different video). Also in some of my other videos when you get around to then, you will hear my accidentally pronounce Dave Wesely's name incorrectly as "Weas-lee". I could have sworn I'd heard people pronounce it that way before, but I understand now that it's "Wess-lee" so I'll make sure to say that correctly moving forward. I'm just warning you now so it doesn't upset you. I know I made a mistake. I do tend to take a lot of short-cuts when explaining stuff so I know I have glossed over (meaning, I think I've completely not mentioned yet) Domesday #5 although I am aware of it (I think from Secrets of Blackmoor?). If you are offering me a copy, I'd gladly take one! That would be amazing! I have used "proto" before in the sense of the word meaning, "a combining form meaning “first,” “foremost,” “earliest form of,” used in the formation of compound words (protomartyr; protolithic; protoplasm)" - so saying Blackmoor was "proto-roleplaying" I was trying to imply it was "first" but I do recognize that I also said in the exact same sentence in another video that it *wasn't* roleplaying "in the way we think of term." I knew what I meant but I didn't explain it well and it comes across as implying that Blackmoor wasn't roleplaying. I just meant it wasn't available as a game one could purchase like we think of a roleplaying game. But I do take your point that I should be more careful with how I describe that. My intent isn't to be elitist when discussing self-publishing. I thought I'd articulated it well enough in this video. Self-publishing *is* publishing. But that doesn't mean it's commercially available. To me, those are two different things. Rules to the Game of Dungeon, while self-published, never gained any kind of popularity of player base like the commercially published games such as Dungeons & Dragons did. That doesn't mean it wasn't a quality game or that it might have even been "better" than D&D. It's quibbling about semantics but when I say "published" I am talking about something that a person could go to a store to buy. Otherwise, there are just way too many D&D variants as well as other games that there will *always* be an exception for statements like "the second published roleplaying game" or "the first game to do XYZ." Sometimes can always say, "I made a game a year before that did that same thing and gave copies to my friends." That very well may be, and it might have been awesome, but if no one outside a small circle of people knew about it, I don't consider that something I should be "corrected" on for not knowing about or mentioning. I don't have an agenda and don't intend to gloss over Dave Arneson's (and the Minnesota group's) contributions to the creation of the game. I've mentioned Dave, Braunstein, Brownstone, Blackmoor, etc. and how they ended up being the basis upon which D&D was built several times here on the channel and I've had many folks tell me they weren't aware of that history, so I take that as a "win" for the Dave Arneson fans that word is being spread. For better or worse, my perception is that Dave Arneson's Blackmoor was shown to and played for Gary, who then made his own Blackmoor game (Greyhawk) and then wrote rules based on the information and notes Dave Arneson provided, and this became the original version of Dungeons & Dragons. Because Gary was doing the writing, his biases, interpretations, and changes found their way into D&D, so when I talk about Gary's preference for Fighter/Conan type characters and how he downplayed Tolkien, I'm not implying that Tolkien wasn't important to the Minnesota Crew or that he didn't influence their games. I'm saying *Gary* tried to imply that Tolkien wasn't important. He wrote several articles in Strategic Review to that effect. (And he was probably exaggerating and/or retconning the actual truth based on cease-and-desist letters, etc.). But the published version of Original D&D is what I tend to talk about because it's the basis upon which one can look at the actual books/writing and compare and contrast. I have pulled out my copy of Dave's First Fantasy Campaign on the channel before as well, but in general, I'm talking about the D&D rules "as written." Not saying they are better or worse than Dave's Blackmoor game, or that Dave would or wouldn't have done it differently (I get the sense from what I've read that he would have done things different as he left TSR, as I understand it, in 1976 after only working there a short time because he didn't like the direction Gary was taking D&D). I'm just saying they are the rules written down that we have to compare things to, so when I say "D&D," folks watching know I'm referring to the published version of the game. I hope that all makes sense, and helps to clarify a bit my understanding of the situation.

@RHampton

5 ай бұрын

Hey @ValarClan - I recently published a 0e retroclone based of the Mark Bufkin playtest manuscript. I am very interested in learning more about the Twin Cities gaming experience. If there is a way to reach you, I would love to fire off several questions. Thank you.

I like your depth of coverage but dislike your formatting. This should have been a series of 4 individual game overviews followed or preceded by a discussion video about why they collectively may or may not qualify as the 2nd role playing game. A single video of over 2 hours is too much at once. And results, in me at least, tuning out at points.

@b.s.864

5 ай бұрын

Oh and your 'bonus content' sequences... just don't

@manhuawang11

5 ай бұрын

Nah man, I like them.

I'd be really interested in a video on boothill. I think it's super under represented in osr analysis