We need more 45 colts in this world!!

The 45 Colt will never die. Such a fun and versatile cartridge

@coltonregal1797

2 жыл бұрын

.44 WCF is a better cowboy cartridge, but It's almost non existent to find anymore.

The debate over the strength of the .45 Colt case was caused by the existence of early balloon head brass which was discontinued many years ago. Modern .45 Colt brass is every bit as strong as .44 magnum brass according to Starline. This is one of those myths that persist because well meaning people repeat old wives tales without checking the veracity of the information. The truth is that some .45 Colt brass is not as strong as .44 magnum brass but all modern brass is. I used to shoot a lot of hot .45 Colt safely in my Rugers, but more and more prefer the more moderate pressure loads. I am a hunter and have taken quite a few deer with my Blackhawks. I prefer to keep the ranges to stickbow distance and have never lost a deer with moderate .45 Colt loads.

@FortuneCookie45LC

10 жыл бұрын

jima28080 - That was all part of the debates that raged. You just don't hear about the debates anymore - hot 45Colt loads for Rugers and TCs are still published, but the loads are fair lower pressure than 44 magnums. You don't hear of shooters trying to fire up their 45 Colts to 44 magnum pressures these days no matter what the rationale; the reason is the factory 454 Casull - exceeds 44 magnum pressure levels with ease and greater margin of safety. And then there is the 460 S&W Magnum that even takes it to another level. The 45 Colt in +P loadings is pretty fierce as a standard round… Your point on brass strength is well taken - some debaters did point out that the 45 Colt solid head cases still have a thinner web than 44 magnum brass, but it really doesn't make any difference… Best Regards

@Raider1836

11 ай бұрын

Starline 45 brass is rated the same as their 44 magnum brass. The Rugers are made to withstand 44magnum pressure. The is published load data for them. I guess you are against loading 38P rated guns to 38P loads too!

Love your channel man. You're so knowledgeable.

A .45 Colt can reach .44 Magnum velocity at lower pressure. Look at John Linebaugh's loads. Wow!

I've shot 45 Colt forever it seems, used to be a Colt SAA, then an EMF and now a Ruger currently I only have 4 different loads, snakeshot, roundball load small game load, 230 grain TC @ just under 800 fps and a hardcast 300 grain gaschecked slug that DOES hit just under 1200 fps 45 Colt is still my favorite woods gun and with just those 4 loads it can do anything I need it to do, when I'm out in the woods here I carry 1 snakeshot and 5 of the 300 grain 'bear loads' and a few round ball loads in my pocket for if I run across something for the cook pot.. Merry Christmas to you and your family FC..

Lever guns in 45 Colt can handle hot loads. Henry, Marlin, Rossi can all safely fire the 45 Colt +p, so keep 'em coming!

I will disagree on buying a .454 over strong .45 Colt revolvers. The rifling twist in most .454's is optimized for 260 grain bullets. I found this out after not having much luck accuracy wise with 300 and 325 grain bullets in the .454. I sold it and continued on with my .45 Colts and .44 Magnums. Strictly my preference from my own limited experience. Always enjoy you're videos, keep it up!

The beauty of the 45 is that you don't really need a hot high velocity load to be effective in almost any reasonable situation and quite a few unreasonable ones.

@GeorgiaBoy1961

3 ай бұрын

Elmer Keith always maintained that you didn't need velocity above a thousand feet per second for the 45 Colt to do the job, as long as you used a quality hardcast or other slug of sufficient mass. He hunted darned near everything with that set-up, too, at least if the stories are to be believed.

I use Starline brass and a case full of H-110 in a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley . It kicks more than my 45-70 Magnum loads in my Magnum Research . A guy at the range shot one in his .454 and didn't believe it was a .45 Colt until he ejected it . It kicked like a .454 . God bless Elmer Keith . Crazy and safe is fun . Love your channel . I use Starline brass exclusively , and have talked to Hunter at Starline a few times . Keep doing videos and stay safe .

@BobbyOfEarth

Жыл бұрын

..same here. I sold Longhorn brand ammo for three years and loaded Starline brass exclusively..

I disagree with abandoning the .45 Colt "Magnum" in favor of a .454 Casull. Personally, I wouldn't ever load a .45 Colt up to .44 Magnum pressures/performance, but if I had a Ruger Blackhawk I wouldn't be afraid to shoot factory hot loaded .45 Colt ammo like Buffalo Bore in it.

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

-- We can shoot any factory load in our strong Rugers. Obviously, neither you or I would shoot Buffalo Bore in a vintage Colt SAA. Also, the reload data marked for Ruger or TC only - we would have no aversions to load those. It is the practice of going past that into the realm of 44 magnum pressures and higher between the published data and 454 Casull that would get us in trouble, (perhaps). After all Elmer Keith pushed that envelope giving us all the magnums we have today. And that's also how the Casull came into being. I don't think we disagree at all, there are limits to everything. It really sounds like we have the same limits. You and I would not load the 45 Colt to 44 Magnum pressures, but both of us would shoot Buffalo Bore anytime. I just don't think I'd be shooting many of those just for the sheer cost factor to it. Have a great day, FC

@thelaborpeasant

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC I agree, and I'll take it a little further as to say some people just want to have a ridiculously powerful round for no reason other than bragging rights. When a factory loaded 45 Colt (not cowboy action stuff but mild or hot loaded factory stuff) will get the job done for anything in North America and 99% of anything in the world, who really needs to make a magnum out of it? Yeah it's cool to brag about and fun to play with but why risk it? Seems like everyone get so caught up in statistics and research and whatnot these days and they're constantly trying to out smart each other and prove each other wrong they lose sight of the real goal. An effective round. And an effective round doesn't have to be a Howitzer. When 357 magnum has such a high one shot drop rate why would anyone think they need to completely obliterate those statistics? I'd rather keep it safe, load it somewhat hot but not to extreme levels, and have the peace of mind knowing I can drop anything without dropping itty bitty pieces of my own gun in the process

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

Evan B - Last weekend, I shot some 452 255 RNFPs (actual weight 260 grains) out of my 45 Colt loaded with 9 grains of Herco... A nice stout load...and it would surely fill the bill with what you are saying - plenty of power for anything we need with the 45 Colt to do... Best to ya, FC

@Gitfidlpickr

7 жыл бұрын

FortuneCookieLC you ALWAYS make a lot of sense (and also Hickok45) . I seek your advise. because it is not hype, but practical fact and well rooted in have READ the materials and presented it in workable form. You are an excellent source (and I am gladI/wehave you.

@larrypeterson4945

7 жыл бұрын

Last year my 44 Black Hawk blew apart at the range after shooting about 3000 rounds. The top strap blew off and 1/2 of the cylinder went with it. The Black Hawk folks examined the gun and replied that "the pressure in the chamber exceeded the strength of the cylinder." I am now a confirmed S&W 44 Mag and S&W 50 user.

I just wanted to tell you thank you very much you have been and continue to be and inspiration and a Chasm of information and tutorial wisdom in the reloading world. I started reloading a little over a year ago. Your videos prevented me from doing something I rather not do. Read. Haha. But none the less it is required. Point being. If it were not for your videos. Entering the reloading world would have been much more intimidating to me. Thank you very much Fortunecookie 45

you don't hear about it so much because heavy (hot) loaded .45 colt are now mainstream. corbon, buffalo bore, underwood, hsm, all load +p pressure .45 colt. for use in specific firearms only. the fact is most people do not like "hot" loads. whether heavy .45 colts, .44 mag, .454, even .357 mag. ... etc

I run a 6" Ruger Bisley Blackhawk. I love how 44mag and Smith&Wesson fan boys like to argue the strength of the Blackhawk and power of the 45colt. I push a 350gr Hardcast 1200fps and shoot at steel gongs 200 and 300yds away. It's a lot of fun and will test your strength and ability while helping to improve both

This argument is a good analogy for so many other conversations between people. Dogma and cognitive dissonance make for heated arguments!

Yep I was in that crowd hot loading the 45 long Colt. I bought a Ruger Bisley model just to play around with. The old 45 Long Colt has a lot of potential for sure.

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+TRprepper - Sorry I missed this comment - Google didn't post it in my inbox for some nefarious reason...And it's a great comment also - the Bisley is like a battleship - belch flash and flame and ready for more... Have a great day ..FC

@TRprepper

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC no problem man. Take care!

FC, your reasoning is sound. This is a great video. However, I do love my Redhawk 4.2" 45 Colt. I have the S&W lightweight Model 69 44 magnum and the 3" and 4" model 629s. These are all big bores in smallish packages. A huge variable is the felt recoil pulse and the fit of a gun to a particular hand. This variable cannot be measured with scales or chronographs and is often ignored. My 45 Colt Redhawk with the stoutest Buffalo Bore 335 grain loads is more comfortable to shoot than my short barreled 44s. In these short barrels the 45 is almost the equivalent of the 44s. In hard cast loads where there will be no expansion, the 45 will create a bigger wound channel. I like the ease of carry of the 4.2" 45 vs the 454s that are out there. My hand and forearm are still sore from shooting about 200 rounds of 44 magnums out of my short barreled magnums yesterday. I don't think I would ever care to touch off 454s. The 45 Colt will do all I need in North America. With all that said, the best group of the day yesterday came from my 3" 629 Deluxe. Go figure.

my reloading manual has a Ruger only reload data which I use in my Blackhawk, do you think the Henry Big Boy brass framed rifle is going to handle those pressures?

I have a S&W 25-5 in 45 colt. What would be a semi hot hunting load with safe pressure? Would like to also use in my 45 carbine as well.

Fortune Cookie, I also was wondering what the specifications for the +p load are , such as FPS, foot pounds of energy.

Good advise.

Recently got into the .45 colt with a Henry X model and a Pietta SAA , totally hooked on the old school shooting , never got into reloading but I sure am considering it , only place I’ve found ammo in my area is at the gun show so I go every time it’s in town and buy as much as I can afford, expensive hobby but it’s worth it

@milesmanges

Жыл бұрын

45 colt is one of the most forgiving reloading rounds, and you can not experience the joy of it unless you reload, I have a lee hand loader and stick to cowboy loads for now, but I plan on reloading once I am financially settled 😂

I load 45 colt to near 454 casull with 250 gr XTP for my 10 inch T/C contender. its a load listed as for Ruger/ TC ONLY!!!!

Very interesting video. I love my Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt. It’s the reason I started hand loading. I have a question though: is 8gr of Unique under a .255 grain LSWC really considered a stout load? Most info I see puts stout loads up around 9gr of Unique or more. I load mine with 7 or 7.5gr of Unique for medium loads. Just got a Ruger Super BlackHawk in .44 Magnum with a 10.5” barrel. Using about the same load of Unique for light .44’s. Gonna try 2400 for stouter loads in .357 magnum, .45 colt and .44 magnum. Not wrist breakers, but stouter loads than “cowboy loads”.

@blueduck9409

3 жыл бұрын

8 grains of unique in the 45 colt with a 255 grain bullet is an average load. Its heavy for cowboy games, but average for real world. The plus p stuff is around 10 grains of unique.

Thanks for the info I am a fan

I tried 20 grains of 2400 with the same bullet and found it a little too hot for the brass coming out of my rossi lever rifle. So I backed it down to 18 grain and was fine!! All loads were within the acceptable pressure range for hot 45 colt. It may be that my chamber in the rossi is not precise enough to handle the 20 grain load??

A 452423 cast bullet at 1200 FPS will not be recovered. Deer, bear, hog, cow, elk....etc

I am trending away from fire breathing loads in any caliber, guess I'm getting old.

@FortuneCookie45LC

10 жыл бұрын

Jon - Not at all - Age is greatly in the mind, and besides you are young!!...It is amazing, though how fast 10-20 years go by...I figure I've got one more cycle of good shooting and dancing left to do...Looking ahead, I've got instructions to have my wife and kids insure that I've got access to a single stage reloading press if I wind up in some facility...as always, we come full circle - start off with a single stage and end up with one...Best Regards...

I have always taken the approach with any caliber if I need to hot rod something or go above saami spec why not just go to the next caliber. This reasoning is why my 454 Alaskan has been worked over and can fire 45ACP, 45 Schofield, 45 Colt, 45 Colt Ruger Only (magnumized), 454Casull. With that out of the way, Fortunecookie if you used a max load of 2400 by my testing years back out of a 6inch barrel this will get you about 1450fps. The bad news is the Hornady XTP is not supposed to be pushed this hard which I believe is what you said you used. I consulted with Hornady about this very topic those projectiles are meant for 45 colt loads for what you have done you should be using Hornady XTP/Mag projectiles. This means you would have to go with the 240gr or 300gr XTP/Mags as the 250's are meant for lower velocity.

I've heard claims that when loaded the same the .44 magnum was more accurate, not sure if it's true but would love to hear peoples experiences.

@robertdesantiago7063

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't that depend on the barrel length, pistol and shooter's skill?

This is a comparison based on loading the .45 Colt to maximum specs. However, some reloaders can just up the .45 Colt enough to get a hotter round without going to the utter limits of the round. I know I would like to have a .45 Colt round that would have a muzzle velocity a little above 1,000 fps, with the 250 gr bullet. In other words, a 250 gr round with the same velocity as the CCI hollow-point round. The Blackhawk caould definitely withstand that. I don't remember off-hand the weight of the CCi BLAZER hollow-point, but I want to say 180 gr.

how about more videos on the s&w model 25 ? I enjoy your videos!!!

40 grains by volume of FF black powder is a nice load. It's the military powder charge from back in the day. Big boom, hard but not painful buck in the hand, and the black powder gives you lower pressures so it's safe to shoot in SAA replicas. I have a Pietta SAA clone and it's my preferred load.

@landonsimpson7839

2 жыл бұрын

Ought to use 3f instead of 2f, then you get even more power. Like 1050fps out a 7.5in barrel. Around 624ft-lbs of pressure

@denisdegamon8224

2 жыл бұрын

It's almost impossible to get 40 grains of black powder in a modern 45 Colt case without signicant powder compression. The new solid head modern 45 Colt cases don't have quite the capacity of the original folded hollow rimmed cases. Pretty much limits you to 38 grains of black powder. Goex powder does like some compression to burn cleanly while Swiss doesn't need or like much compression. My comments are based upon using a wad of sorts over the powder charge before adding the lead bullet.

@landonsimpson7839

2 жыл бұрын

@@denisdegamon8224 actually its not impossible or nearly impossible without extreme compression. Theres one particular video out there by a man called plowboyghost. He did 40 grains by volume and weight. He used starlinw brass in the vid. He said dont use hornady.

@denisdegamon8224

2 жыл бұрын

@@landonsimpson7839 you are correct, I have done it as well but you need alot of compression and works only with a couple of manufacturers brass, due to case wall thickness.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

Жыл бұрын

@@denisdegamon8224 I’ve managed to squeeze 40 gr of 3f goex into starline brass behind a 255 gr bullet. Aye it compresses a bit, but out of a 6-7.5 inch barrel you’ve plenty of time to burn that powder.

The debate about 45 colt being just as good or better than 44 mag for hunting is based upon about the same grain bullet at just as fast with about half the pressures . But with bigger Meplat and diameter gives more knock down power and bigger wound channel . I’ve been doing a lot of research recently ( one of the reasons I watched this video ) from all that I’ve read from the likes of John Taffin ,Max Prasac ,Mike Ventirino ,Dick Casull .Elmer Keith

@fjb4932

6 ай бұрын

Brian Pearce, is NOT to be overlooked. Nope . . . ☆

Many years ago I built a .45 Colt rifle (1977) I used a Falling Block Works action (Hi-Wall style) I don't have to worry about over loading this rifle. But I do worry about getting those loads mixed with others and having one of them find there way into one of my revolvers. It wouldn't be good..

What brand name LSWCHP bullets can you recommend for .45 Colt?

Don't buy a .454 Casull, buy instead the .460 S&W Magnum... It shoots of course .460, .454 Casull, and your favorite...... .45 Colt. Three is better than two :-)

@FortuneCookie45LC

10 жыл бұрын

Steven Trout - I like your thinking - and it is well thought. Great comment...

@VicariousReality7

9 жыл бұрын

And you will have a pistol that weighs like a rimfire rifle

@FortuneCookie45LC

9 жыл бұрын

VicariousReality7 Agreed. Or some would compare it with a boat anchor...;) lol Best Regards and Happy Holidays

@bullfrogjay4383

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly ! Also the extra weight greatly reduces the recoil for the .45. Hot .45 colt feels like .38 rounds out of the S&W 460. The 5 inch barrel version has a full lug and looks just wicked.

@chrismc410

6 жыл бұрын

Sixgunner dot org As far as pressure and velocity goes, if some critter is bent on eating you and the. 460 is what puts said critter down dead right there, I'd imagine you'd sing a different tune as would most in that position.

just checked again reads 941fps. I have been looking to stay around 850 out of a four inch judge. 8.8 gets me there. Now I do get to the 900 mark with same load and 6inch judge. recently I have been thinking about going back down to 8.6 to soften the recoil for my 2 inch. unique its all I have been able to get for a long while.I have been wanting to try 2400 and universal clays but they still haven't been showing up that often.

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

Silver Back - Unique is an excellent powder. I don't try to push velocities with it though, but around 1000fps or less, Unique is very handy. 850 fps / 255 grain bullet is the old frontier load - not much in man nor beast that can stand up to that. It really is all we practically need. Your 2" snubbie is still very formidable at 750 fps - loading it down to 8 grains would certainly add some control there. Good shootin' to ya - and apologies for the late reply, Google did not post your comment in my inbox - won't see it for months... Best to ya, FC

You think the new marlin 1894 cowboy 45 colt, can handle pressure like your saying, thanks

do the 255 grn flat nose bullet feed of in your Henry lever gun?

Fortune Cookie, are the +p loads of 8gr. of Unique and the 255gr. lead bullets safe for the Ruger New Vaquero and the colt clones? What about the Smith & Wesson revolvers?

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

john mills - Thanks for the good question. 8 Unique / 255 lead bullets is the frontier load and OK for all 45 Colt revolvers. If you go to 8.5, you will be straining some of those clones. And at 9 grains, you will be getting your guns start to balk. As you know, the New Vaquero is likened to the clones. Best to ya, FC

Ten years ago? You must be a young man... I began handloading in the 1970's. There was data available for heavy .45 Colt loads by then and, I'm quite sure, long before that. Ross Seyfried was already writing about them in Guns and Ammo magazine, supplying data for both standard six shot cylinders in Ruger Blackhawks and for custom five shot cylinders made for those guns by both Hamilton Bowen and John Linebaugh. I bought my first mold for a 300 grain bullet from Veral Smith (Lead Bullet Technologies) in the early 1980's. Brian Pearce continues to extol the virtues of hot loaded .45 Colt ammo in the pages of Handloader magazine. This discussion continues in knowledgeable handloading circles to this very day - the introduction of the .454 Casull did nothing to end this conversation in the last few years, mainly because Dick Casull originally developed it in 1957. It's been a part of this conversation ever since. Beyond that, Freedom Arms has been selling their Model 83 chambered in .454 Casull since 1983. I bought one out of the first production run (but have since sold it). The Model 83 is limited by its cylinder length, which is unfortunately shorter than that of the Ruger Blackhawk. To make a long story short, we experience all kinds of headaches when bullets with their crimping grooves in a location suitable for the .45 Colt are used. There are other issues with the .454 Casull in the Model 83 as well which, in short, means that there will always be a place for heavy .45 Colt loads. This discussion is neither new (in the last ten years), nor has this practice gone by the wayside with the introduction of the .454 Casull. As King Solomon said, "there is nothing new under the sun"...

I find the package in which the .454 Casull is chambered is usually very bulky and very cluby. The 60,000+psi pressures of this cartridge require a lot of meat and special metals to handle this stress, much moreso than a +p loaded .45 colt. So you're either dealing with a 5-shot Super Blackhawk or the very chunky Super Redhawk to handle the stress. Or going to something like a BFR revoler, or Freedom Arms, or a TC single-shot pistol. None of these bulky platforms strike me as something to shoot the 45 Colt from on a regular basis due to their added weight and sometimes reduced capacity. The 454 Casull is a beast and cannot be rivaled in the category, especially considering the case length. The 460magnum is a whole nuther thing. But as you say, running to the top SAAMI spec on 45 colt is plenty for just about anything a person could use a 45cal revolver cartridge for, selecting good projectiles. The need for .454 is more niche. Using a 45-70 in a carbine, for instance, will do a lot more than the heavily-recoiling .454 would accomplish. My personal opinion, if 45 colt +p isn't doing the trick, moving up to the .480 Ruger is probably a better choice than dealing with the .454 Casull.

@357Franknitty

2 жыл бұрын

Recoil wise, I agree with you, but try finding some 480 ruger ammo RIGHT NOW, compared to 454 or 45 Long. I bet you can find at least one of the two.

@bustabass9025

4 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more. The .480 Ruger is an excellent choice as the next step up from 44 mag and 45 Colt+p cartridges. I have one in the Ruger Redhawk Alaskan for chest carry. It's a handful alright, but the business end is definitely not to be fugged with! 😂

I have three firearms in .45 Colt, a Rossi M92, a Ruger Blackhawk, and a Ruger Vaquero. The Vaquero is limited to 13,000 psi, so that handload is the most used in all the firearms. If I want to load up to the hot "Ruger Only" loads for the other two I just mark the headstamps with black Sharpies. Very easy to spot so no problem. There really are not very many reasons to go to the .454 or .460.

@FortuneCookie45LC

5 жыл бұрын

Alan Stewart - Yes, indeed Alan - This discussion is all about power. You will hear a lot about 45 Colt brass being weak - not so - 45 Colt brass is strong, but there is a limit, of course. The strength of the individual guns is the factor that dictates how much we can stoke the 45 Colt. If all you want in terms of power with the 45 Colt is at the level of 25,000 cup (23,000 psi) for use in your 92 and RBH, that's what the reloading manuals have in published data (actually tailored to be OK the Ruger BLK and TC Contender). If you push past that in 45 Colt as some will tell you to do, you are on risky or very risky ground. Now your Vaquero, if the old model, is built off the Blackhawk frame and will also stand your hotter loads. But if your Vaquero is the New Model made for cowboy action shooting with the smaller Colt frame, then the hot loads are no-no and you are limited to 14,000 psi SAAMI. Apparently, you have the New Model. But for shooters who do desire to go above the 25,000 cup, then the 454 and 460 go all the way into magnum rifle pressures 50,000 to 65,000 psi. And yes, we normal shooters don't have many reasons to touch off 65,000 psi in a handgun. But for those who wish to shoot a much more mild and controlled 36,000 psi loading (a la 44 magnum), owning a 454 (or 460!!??), with much more safety margin - does make a lot of sense. Those who shoot such loads in 45 Colt Rugers and TC Contenders may be operating on very slim safety margins and the variable factors of our guns, ammo and conditions are not being well covered. That's the reason the 454 came into being in the first place - stronger guns and stronger brass. Best to ya, FC Steve

When I grow up I want to be a knowledgeable Cookie also. 😁

I have a 45 Colt Ruger Black Hawk and I have loaded these rounds with max charges of H-110 and hard cast 230 and 300 gr bullets at speeds of 1200- 1300 fps. They are not for the faint of heart. Today I use 4 3/4 Uberti Cattleman revolvers with standard 45 Colt 250 gr bullets at 800-850 fps, and they will go clean through a deer at 50 yards and keep going. My point is simple at 25 I shot hot loads, at 46 I don't. For I figure with age comes wisdom and have learned by trial and error putting a 250 gr bullet in a animal accurately is better than firing heavy loads inaccurately due to massive bone jarring recoil.

@coldsteelbill.9089

4 жыл бұрын

I have a Taurus model 513 Raging Judge Magnum. I load my 45 extremely hot. If I was shooting something like a peacemaker I would not I would stick to standard Sammy specs. But because my pistol was designed for 454 Casull pressures. I have no problems with the 45s being hot as they can be. Go Big Bore!

@peacemaker-du4hz

4 жыл бұрын

it doesnt take a lot of horsepower to put down a deer.horse power is for things that bite back

@coldsteelbill.9089

4 жыл бұрын

I don't hunt with any of these loads. The hot 45 and the 454 Casull there my toys. At 62 I guess I haven't outgrown loving having a controlled explosion in my hand. Perhaps being raised military and spending 21 years in the Army infantry Lends to that perspective. I Deer hunt with a 300 win mag. For distance. And 7.63x39 for 300 meters or less. I guess my point being is. We don't have any brown bears down here, moose, caribou, Etc. So I actually have no reason practically speaking to even own a 454 Casull. Although I am in the woods often. I will carry it with me when we hog hunt. Much easier to maneuver and the thick over a rifle or shotgun. Killed a 428 pound boar with it last season. That had tore up some of our gear dogs pretty bad.

@montanamountainmen6104

4 жыл бұрын

@@coldsteelbill.9089 Very true. In my youth I was a big Elmer Kieth fan, the bigger the better per say. Today like you I have adjusted with age and wisdom.

@montanamountainmen6104

4 жыл бұрын

@Chris Duke Yep.

What about a Henry mares leg or a carbine/rifle in 45lc? Loaded hot you could have both a pistol and long gun with the same ammo.

I like the Syntha Six protein containers.. good protein. Thanks for the 45 Colt content. My favorite caliber.

I don't care what the magazines say; I've done the chrono work and I can easily surpass my hottest .44 Mag 240gr load with a hot 250gr .45 Colt load. (H110 for .44/LilGun for .45) .454 Casull is kind of like a Special/Magnum Type thing. For instance I have enough cause volume in a .44spl to load just as hot as a .44 mag load with the right powder, so the case doesn't really NEED to be longer, but it keeps the more powerful magnum load from being chambered in a Special firearm. Same goes for .45LC/.454. I can easily load .454 Casull power factors in standard .45 Colt cases. In fact using LilGun i already currently do this. The main reason for the longer Casull case was to make sure these hot .45 rounds don't end up in something like a Colt Single Action.(much like we wouldn't want a hot .357 mag to fit in a little 642 airweight .38 special.) Strong action .45 Colts such as the Ruger BLackhawk and most lever gun actions can already handle .454 Type loads in .45 Colt cases, so it was not a necessity to create the longer case it just gives a safety margin.

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

Joe Doole - You've got a good handle on it... the 45 Colt has a bigger boiler room than the 44 Mag so it can get more fps with the same pressure as the 44 Mag (takes a bit more powder though). Limiting factor back in Elmer Keith's day was the Colt Single Action Army revolver strength - thinner cylinder walls and blown up guns. He didn't have the strong Rugers that we have today. The thinking behind this video was that the 45 Colt in +P or +P+ mode (as per the loading manuals) is already a very capable round. And if we want to hot rod it, the 454 Casull guns are even stronger. You want to hot rod the 45 Colt with loads outside of the loading manuals is plain flat out OK as you are an experienced reloader...(I'm doing likewise with short cases like the 44 Russian, 45 Schofield and 38 Short Colt now). Only difference is that my guns for all of those are very much stronger to handle pressures. As you say, you have margin, but less margin to work with. My preference would be bigger stronger guns with more margin. I'd be ready to stoke the 45 Colt round in a Ruger Alaskan or Super Redhawk 454. The issue is not the strength of the brass that was previously reported. Good shootin' to ya... FC

@coldsteelbill.9089

4 жыл бұрын

After about the 4th time I use my 45 brass I begin to get swelling. But. A 45 long Colt, loaded to 454 pressures. And it's cheaper than 454 rounds and you get the same thing. Provided your pistol can handle it. IE Raging Judge Magnum. Model 513 from Taurus

You stated that your +P load was a 255g SW with 8.0g Unique... My Lyman handbook shows the 45 Colt loads using Unique: 8.5 gr. min (1103) to 10.2 gr. max (1105) pushing a 255g Keith semi-wadcutter.

I use the Ross Seyfreid load, 300 gr. hard cast lead bullet @1300 fps using 110 powder in my old Ruger Bisley Vaquero & '94 Winchester Trapper.

Look, i know this an older video but i have corbonn in 300 and 330 grain for my rossi lever gun. They shoot fine

I hot load 45lc. The indoor range where I go won't let 454 casull, so this option is great.

Howdy, I have the new Ruger Redhawk 45 acp /45 colt with 4.2 in. barrel. My question is, in your opinion, is it safe to fire HSM 45 Colt +P 325gr hard cast Bear Load ammunition in this gun? I've read conflicting information and the manufacturer states it is intended for the Blackhawk but not the Redhawk. However, I have read comments from some stating that they shoot this out of their Redhawks. I was under the impression that the Redhawk cylinder strength was greater than or equal to that of the Blackhawk. Your thoughts?

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+Steven Mayes -- The Ruger Redhawk was made to take any factory loaded 45 Colt ammunition. +P loads are just touching the 30,000 psi range. Full out magnums are in the 39,000 psi range. The Ruger Blackhawk, Redhawk, and Super Redhawk can all handle that with ease so +Ps are fine. However, if HSM says not to shoot that ammo in the Redhawk, then the best advice is not to do that. My Lee 2nd Edition Reloading manual has loading data for 360 grain bullets loaded to 30,000 psi specified for Ruger and TC only - nothing about Ruger being SBH, RH or SRH. My first opinion would be that those HSMs are OK in your RH. But again, who am I to tell you to shoot something if the factory says no...I'd go with the factory recommendation. What they are saying is that if your gun lets go, they are not responsible. Have a great day, FC

@nojustno1216

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC Thanks for your input. I talked to a few guys who own the same gun as I and asked if they had experience with these rounds. They did and said they have put a lot of the rounds through theirs with no problems whatsoever and in fact have shot even hotter loads with over 300 gr bullets as well with no problems. I actually bought a box of the rounds in question and ran two cylinders of them. Recoil isn't that bad and were very accurate. It's now one of my new favorite heavy loads.

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+Steven Mayes -- The one thing that we should keep in the back of our minds - while hot loads are OK in strong Rugers and TC, we can still push the rounds hotter - there is a limit that doesn't need to be pushed since we now have 454 Casulls and 460 S&Ws so we just shoot those instead of stoked 45 Colts. But nothing wrong with shooting the hot 45 Colt loads published in reloading manuals for Rugers and TCs. Have a great day, FC

@nojustno1216

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC Howdy. Good point and I agree. Thanks for your video and replies.

@grayman7208

7 жыл бұрын

yes ... you can shoot any of the factory "hot loaded" .45 colt ammo in a ruger redhawk.

Is a magnum primer alright to use in a hot load/+P when using a slow burn powder like H110 or Lil Gun? None of my manuals ever call for a large pistol magnum primer... just a large pistol... but I’ve loaded some with the magnum primers and in a 20” rifle barrel, you sure feel the recoil. But am I risking a catastrophe using magnums over standards? I think it was about 27 grains of lil gun behind a 250 grain xtp bullet last time I made hot loads. My guns are modern 1892 clones

@FortuneCookie45LC

6 жыл бұрын

Shaun Fritz - We have safety margins so that ease of extraction, primer signs all help us to assess our loads. The best advice would be for us to cut the.powder charge by 1/2 grain if switching to magnum primers and working that 1/2 grain back up if pressure signs are OK. I routinely shoot 357 Magnum with 22 grains H110 magnum primers, and that load flashes like lightning in broad daylight - rattles the windows at the range. I worked up to it though...Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve

@ShaunFritz

6 жыл бұрын

FortuneCookie45LC thanks for the quick reply. I enjoy your channel. Your answer is great as I do stay at the lower end of the +P scale and have never made a max change. I feel better about the magnums. Though I’m not going to make a habit out of them cause it sure makes my shoulder sore if I bench shoot a few dozen of them at the range!

@FortuneCookie45LC

6 жыл бұрын

Shaun Fritz - Shooting mostly standard and +P ammo is a good policy for rifle and handgun, or even shotgun. But a few magnums at the end of shooting sessions keeps the familiarity with them. If hunting, we won't be shooting that many rounds and the recoil isn't felt in the field. Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve

There are rifles available to safely shoot Colt 45 plus P ammunition. Rossi, Chiappa, and I believe Marlin, all have lever guns that can safely shoot Colt 45 +P ammunition. The Rossi and the Chiappa are 1892 Winchester replicas while Marlin simply has an action strong enough to handle the higher pressures. I shoot Buffalo bore, +P 265 grain, semi jacketed hollow point bullets in my Chiappa 1892 replica. Those bullets clock about 1700 ft per second and have over 1500 ft lb of energy. They are not pleasant on the shoulder but the Chiappa seems to like them just fine.

I know you cannot disclose how many grains of 2400 you have under the bullet. Can you tell me if it’s more than 19.5 grains? I loaded up some hunting loads for my New Model Blackhawk 7 1/2” bbl. Same bullet, got the load charge from a blog. Your opinion please sir.

@steve-ey3rx

Жыл бұрын

Opinion: consult three major reloading manuals and stick to their recommendations.

I have a Ruger Black Hawk 45 LC 5" barrel. I loaded (Hornady Book specs.) 23.9 gr. 2400 with Hornady 240 gr. JHP bullet... That hurt and put my 44 mag to shame. I found 10.gr Unique with 250 gr Lead SWC to be very accurate.

As usual, you're right Steve!!; I will NOT destroy one of my original 2nd Gen SAA, specially my Double Montana Commemorative from 1.964 using too warmish loads. My go-to load is LEE's 255 gr FP sized .452 over 8.3 grs Unique. Will drop standard poppers @ 70 yds easily. My hot loads go thru a stainless Ruger B.H. Many thanks & God Bless!!🙏

@FortuneCookie45LC

5 жыл бұрын

hernando villamarin buenaventura - Congrats on that nice Colt SAA you have..!! I like that Lee bullet also - as you know, I cast 'em from Lee 6 cavity mold over 8 grains of Unique - your 8.3 load sounds intriguing - I should give it a try. Have a great day, hernando, and continued good shootin' to ya -- Steve

I have a Taurus Thunderbolt in .45LC and I load 250gr coated lead projectiles with 20 grains of ADI AR2205 Rifle Powder. This is an Australian powder made by Australian Military Industries. This load would blow up a handgun (I've been told this anyway not sure). This is OK for a Thunderbolt or a marlin rifle obviously. This gives me a muzzle velocity of just over 1400fps. According to the powder equivalent chart by ADI AR2205 is most similar to Hogdon H4227 / H110, IMR4227 and Winchester W296.

Good points Cookie

Ruger Redhawk and Super Redhawk, or CASULL is a good place to START with HOT.45 LC. These loads are NOT for the PUNY!

@FortuneCookie45LC

9 жыл бұрын

RICKY ROBERTSON It's been written that the full house 44 magnum is the most recoil the average shooter wants to tolerate - especially in relatively light guns like the 29 and SBH. The hot loaded heavy bullet 44 and 45 Colt rounds kick like mules even in lever guns, much less handguns. And we aren't even talking about the SuperRounds like the Linebaughs etc. To all the shooters of those, I say - "More power to ya..." Best Regards

@RICKYROBERTSON

9 жыл бұрын

FortuneCookie45LC RECOIL is REAL, for sure but I was just saying that there is choices. I think 44 mag is the limit for me also.

@FortuneCookie45LC

9 жыл бұрын

RICKY ROBERTSON I just got some 44 cal 250 grain full wadcutter bullets - Now those should be fun to reload...Lots of bullet choices in 44 Mag cal.

@james44mag31

4 жыл бұрын

More powder to ya!

Ok so I have a 45 cl. What do I get to load??

What 45 colt ammo (store bought) would you recommend for hunting deer or hog ? I own a Henry Big Boy (brass) in 45C.

@bigtrucklittlerv7969

4 жыл бұрын

Buffalo Bore or Underwood

@denisdegamon8224

2 жыл бұрын

Any moderate 45 Colt load, even lead flat nose lead bullets will cleanly take deer or hogs at handgun distances. Back in the day the development of the black powder lead bullet cartridge, was to be capable of taking down a calvary horse.

@hamishalexander5048

2 жыл бұрын

@@denisdegamon8224 especialy with a rifle there you have 250+ more FPS than from a Revolver even with standard loads

@popo7718

2 жыл бұрын

I have an Henry x in 45 colt I want to try it out on javelina. Was thinking of using the leverevolution ammo.

Is the new Win.1873 in 45 Colt able to use these handloads, or is the toggle link action too weak?

@andrewharrison5740

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Searles Not the 1873. an 1892 (like the new Win. 1892, or any of the other replicas) should be used if you want to use 45 colt for anything but CAS in my opinion.

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Searles - The factory new Win 1873 is a marvel and truly fantastic. We could all be proud owners of that. For shooting, one critical feature to note is that the lack of chambering for 44 magnum. That tells me immediately that the toggle link is not up to that high pressure level - so no hot loads in this baby. If you want the Win 1873 and desire to shoot maggies in it, buy the 357 chambering - chamber pressures will be nicely handled and the back thrust on the bolt is less than a hot 45 Colt or 44 Magnum. If you must have an 1873 and desire to shoot fully loaded 45 Colts, then the Uberti has done some design changes to allow 44 magnum chambering. However, inquiries should still be made concerning the advisability of shooting hot loads in the 45 Colt chambering, just to be certain...these guns are not cheap, and are so finely finished that we would not want to have to junk them. Besides, the 45 Colt 1873 with +P ammo and long barrel is formidable as is...no real need to stoke them... Best to ya ... FC

@briansearles4473

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC I also noticed that the Uberti 1873 has a model chambered in 44 Mag, did not know that their action is stronger. The 357 Mag. does seem the way to go for a number of reasons, cost, availability of ammo and being able to use 38 Special. Thanks for your feedback.

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Searles - Appreciate your comments as it brings out important stuff. I actually would not recommend the 45 Colt for shooters who do not reload their own ammo. Factory 45 Colt is ridiculously priced - like well over a dollar a shot for cowboy ammo...!! Factory ammo shooters of the 45 Colt buy a box of shells and shoot 1/2 box and put the gun away for a year. That's horrible!! I shoot my 45 Colts all the time and at rates of 200 rounds each range trip - it is an amazingly fun round to shoot that way - reloading unlocks the path to shooting pleasure and satisfaction. Even if a reloader buys commercial cast or PC bullets, the cost is around 16-18 cents a shot - that goes down to as low as 7 cents a shot if bullets are cast out of free range scrap lead. I've told shooters over the last 25 years to cast their own bullets when they saw me gathering range scrap and no one listened -- that is until recently - now there are range days that I don't even bother picking up lead as there isn't enough there to be worth the effort - too picked over. Or the range has done range scrap clearing to lessen the desire of casters to gather. The 357 / 38 is great because of the low cost factory ammo available in 38. Best to ya... FC

@briansearles4473

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC I have reloaded for several cals. but never 45 Colt. Was looking over data for the 45. As an example, it seems up to 19 grains of H110 combined with a 230 grn. bullet is about the hottest safe load for most new revolvers. Of course there were many notes expressing caution about the relative strengths of different guns and what is considered a "safe" load for each. Can't find any data specifically for a new Model 73 Win and I have no idea of the comparative strengths between a Ruger or a Colt and a 73 Win. How does the action strength of a new Model 73 compare with that of some of the new revolvers? Thanks.

Nice analogy of the .45 'special' vs .45 'magnum quandary. I wondered this for some time only I used the .45acp vs .45LC as comparison. I guess that is why I chose the .44 special/magnum pairing. I haven' t really read too much on the .45 casull... Thanks FortuneCookieand I am glad family is OKayDokay with the lead.

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+LMO MechTech - Sorry I missed this comment, Larry - Google did not put it in my inbox to see...Yes, everybody in the household is OK, but the old folks are having their issues - MIL has dementia and my mom is fighting colon cancer. Best Regards to ya ... FC

@lmomechtech7709

8 жыл бұрын

+FortuneCookie45LC Sorry to hear on family ailments, I guess we are all getting older...lol Take care my friend and take care of family.

Hot loaded 45 Colt is something the rifle dudes should be interested in. For guys with 45 Colt lever guns are leaving a lot on the table by not reloading for the stronger action & added barrel length. I have a 454 lever r92 & it smokes pigs & really big ones too. I know guys that load there 45 colts rifles hot , using hard cast rnfp of 300gr + & around the 1400-1500fps zone & there through & through pig stoppers. Don't get me wrong std 45 colts stop pigs but magnum loaded ones are a whole new ball game. & you can generally use a wider meplat / nose & .020 wider bullet with more weight over a 44 mag. 300 gr hard cast rnfp are great hunting bullets.

Henry big boy steel 45 colt, uses buffalo bore 260 gr plus P deer gernade, 1500 FPS

@Anthony-qu7qd

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder what kind of pressure those lever actions can safely sustain with hot loads. They seem like very sturdy rifles.

There are loads on Hogdon's website that are ,050" longer than all other .45 colt loads. They will only chamber in a Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero. They will not chamber in any lever actions and are very close to .454 Casull velocities. If you own a Ruger and don't want to spend the extra money for a .454 Casull pistol, this is an alternative.

@FortuneCookie45LC

9 жыл бұрын

curly27784 Hot rodding the 45 Colt was fashionable before the 454 went commercial. This is none other than what Elmer Keith did, first with the 38 Special, then the 44 Special. He did his work with the 44 and not the 45 Colt because 1) the 45 Colt was still found with the old weak balloon head cases and 2) the guns were not as strong since the chambers were bigger - less steel in the cylinders. So if we do the same thing today with the 45 Colt, we have the advantage of stronger 45 Colt brass and the strong Rugers to work with. And many have done that. Your point is well taken, if a shooter couldn't latch onto a 454 today, and wanted to hot rod the Ruger 45 Colt, published load data is available...that's a great place to be... Best to ya, and thanks for pointing this out...

Why buy a 454 Casull if you already have a strong 45? Makes little sense at either end of the velocity spectrum unless you handload.

Mr cookie would a 45 colt Rossi r92 be strong enough to shoot some mild hot loads in?? Not the maxium loads for Ruger or Thompson. Would like to load some for hunting . I just bought a like new one today and now I needed to get some dies and bullet mold lol

@FortuneCookie45LC

6 жыл бұрын

Larry Alexander - Your 92 action is very strong and able to easily shoot any factory ammo or any reloaded ammo that uses published reloading data. I've shot full out max loads in mine and some of 'em can kick like mules.. Best to ya FC

@blueduck9409

3 жыл бұрын

Your rossi m92 should handle all the ruger / contender loads just fine. Mine does, and has been for 15 years now.

@larryalexander4833

3 жыл бұрын

@@blueduck9409 hello thanks for responding. Yes it does handle them quite well. I have some we reloaded and some Georgia arms use to load called deer grenades. Full house loads of say they live up to the name

@blueduck9409

3 жыл бұрын

@@larryalexander4833 Your videos are good, and i enjoy them, so thank you for that. Yep, we have deer grenades in Oklahoma too, and the Rossi M92 handles them all well. I found out that for white tail, standard .45 colt loads do the job nicely. Out of my 16 inch carbine, i get very respectable velocity, usually around 1,100 feet per second with 255 grain bullets. Thats not bad at all, always puts meat on the table.

I enjoyed the video, but one thing I would add is what can your pistol take? Hot rodding in a Uberti replica or original gun is going to make you very unhappy, very quickly. I see comments all the time regarding hot rodding the .45 Colt for use in '92 lever actions or better, which is fine in isolation, but unless you are pairing that '92 with a Blackhawk, you could get into real trouble if cartridges got mixed up. Given that an original load .45 Colt was designed to drop a horse at 100 yards, I personally don't see the need to make it more powerful, and certainly don't feel under gunned carrying it. For a rifle, I'd say if you truly want more power in a frontier cartridge, move up to a 45-70. Even in it's original spec, a 45-70 is going to outperform a overloaded .45 colt, especially at longer ranges. You also have the added bonus of not accidently mixing cartridges, or having someone else unkowningly use a hot rodded .45 Colt in their weaker pistol somewhere down the line. Believe me, these things happen.

@bushwhackedonvhs

6 жыл бұрын

Faelwolf The original spec doesn't matter when you're buying off the shelf .45 Colt. You don't get the original load with standard factory ammo. You get what is essentially .455 Webley ballistics. Original black powder spec should be sending those bullets down range at 900+ FPS but standard smokeless ammo is doing more like 700-800. IMO an SAA clone in any chambering larger than .357 should be used as a black powder gun, you won't get better performance from the smokeless stuff.

Ten years the only prob i encounterd is bullets not crimped hard enough

I have two 45 LC one is a Rossi R92 lever action 24 inch octagon barrel and a 45 LC haritge revolver can I shoot hot loads in them

taylor and co. makes a 1858 .45 conversion whats a safe hot load for that pistol fps and bullet weight ? can you get 500 ft lbs safely out of it?

@denisdegamon8224

2 жыл бұрын

I rather doubt it.....wouldn't be safe. I wouldn't run anything hotter that 800 fps loading on the high end with a 250 grain bullet. Most of my loads run closer to 725 - 750 fps. It is even better to run 200 grain lead bullet loads at the same fps. I would suggest 7.5 to 7.8 grains of Alliant Unique or better yet 5.6 to 5.8 grains of Trail Boss powder with eithet 200 grain or 250 grain lead bullets.

I have an interesting story. Working up to and including the "never exceed" load for Hogdon Clays powder, in the Lee modern reloading manual. A 200 gr lead cast bullet would not penetrate an old maytag washer side panel out of my 45 colt revolver. It's an Armenius-By H. Weihrauch. A German manufacturer. The load felt weak when fired as well. I shot a nearby tree. The bullet stuck halfway in the tree with the base sticking out of it. The next round made that strange sound signaling that it did not exit the barrel. I looked , and sure enough, there it was just shy of the muzzle. So I bumped up the charge 1 grain at a time until it would penetrate no problem, and felt good too. That ended up being 9 grains of Clays. That was 3+ grains MORE than the "never exceed" load. I've shot 100's of rounds now using 9 grains with no ill effects.(It's my only revolver) My question: Is this something that is to be expected with reloading, or is this a unique occurrence?

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

DenverLoveless - Since you've been shooting 9 grains of Clays, if your pressure signs are OK, and the gun functions as expected (extraction and ejection are OK and the recoil is within reason), I wouldn't tell you not to continue with that load...You might not want to let any friends shoot that ammo in their older guns though. I remember those Arminius revolvers - the reviews on them weren't that good but that they were inexpensive to buy so if they wore out, it wasn't bad in that regard. To extend the life of your gun, might be a consideration to back off on your powder charge just a bit...But it's your gun and you know your gun and ammo the best of anyone... Continued good shootin' to ya... FC

@DenverLoveless

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your advise. Everything seems to be just fine. Not a lot of recoil but not soft. Extract just fine , No sticky shells. No flattened primers. Actually there are NO signs of over pressure at all. Btw, I heard about the Arminius' being low quality as well, but it is not. At least mine isn't. And, I may just be lucky to have one in great condition also. My opinion is I think the rumors/ bad reviews may be due to them being considered "cheap junk" in the beginning so some folks may have had the tendency to not care for them properly and as they were bought and sold over time it became a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

DenverLoveless - It was for other reasons that the Arminius was priced low - monetary exchange and all - and the accusations of pot metal and all - recall that the Arminius was also chambered in 44 mag - pot metal indeed. It's like my dad's CH revolver (S & W copy from Spain in the 1920s) - it's a nice gun, but others have called them junk - perhaps my dad got a good one...it's from the Roaring 20s..!! Best to ya, FC

@DenverLoveless

7 жыл бұрын

Roaring 20's....Cool. The only thing that might be pot metal on mine is the trigger guard, backstrap, and ejector rod cover. Been holding up well for the 16 yrs I've owned it. Thanks again for sharing.

@DenverLoveless

7 жыл бұрын

I decided to follow your recommendation and backed it off to 8 grains of Clays and It's doing fine. I think I'll keep it right there. Thanks

Concerning your lead health risk, might I suggest you seek expert advice on increasing the levels of minerals like calcium and magnesium in your diet. I am not suggesting that these will reduce your blood lead levels but the mechanism of lead being harmful is tissues and organs taking lead from your blood because it can't distinguish between lead atoms and calcium/magnesium atoms, so the more magnesium/calcium/etc loaded in your blood, the less lead ends up in your tissues. Again, don't just take advice from some guy on the internet, always follow expert advice but sometimes you might like to know there's the possibility of another opinion.

The debate still happens, but in reality the 45 Colt cartridge beats the 44 Remington Magnum cartridge easily. Modern 45 Colt brass is as strong as modern 44 Magnum brass, it's not a myth. Order yourself a back issue of Handloader #292 October 2014 and read the article by Brian Pearce. 45 Colt handloads at 50,000 PSI in a Ruger Redhawk chambered in 45 Colt not 454 Casull. I don't see any articles loading 44 Remington Magnum cartridge at 50,000 PSI! The 44 Remington Magnum folks can believe what they want, but the truth is they take second place compared to the 45 Colt folks. I also think it's funny 44 Remington Magnum cartridge uses bullets .429" to .430", so it's nowhere close to 44 caliber. As you know 45 Colt uses bullets .451" to .454" depending on firearm, so it exceeds 45 caliber.

Taurus raging judge magnum is designed to shoot 45 LC 454 and 410 so if it can handle a 454 it can handle a compressed 45 LC

@FortuneCookie45LC

6 жыл бұрын

TH - Oh, wow - that raging judge is a massive beast...wish we could get those in CA, but we can't even get the regualr Judge or Governor...they don't pass the CA requirements to be eligible for sale. Good shootin to ya with your Ragin' Judge...!! FC Steve

Hey FC how are you. you know I often wondered if you can cut down 454 casul brass to 45 colt length and use it because of the thicker walls in the brass. I don't have a 454 nor a 45 colt but my father has the old style vaquaro the first gen and if he ever sells it to me I may look into it. Same thing (kind of) with the 444 and 44 mag. I have a marlin in 44 mag and at one point was trying to figure out the longest length I could make the round before it either wouldn't eject or it did what I was hoping, get it closer to the rifling. Well I got to 1.75ish inches before it wouln't eject from the gun and my own cast 240grain 2R RN was just about at the end of the case mouth. But I have wondered If I use 444 brass cut it longer then 44 mag brass so the bullet seats farther if that would work. Any thoughts on that? Have you ever tried such things?

@jima28080

10 жыл бұрын

Modern .45 Colt brass is not the limiting factor, the gun is. It will handle the pressures that the custom 5 shot revolvers will. You can also load very hot loads in standard brass to shoot in a revolver made for .454 Casull.

@mrunderhood

5 жыл бұрын

Look at using 444 Marlin Brass cut down to 45 colt length.

I've been told that there is no such thing as a dumb question so, Please clarify for me the difference if any between a 45 Colt and 45 long Colt? I've heard there used interchangeably.

@aridian7787

6 жыл бұрын

When the .45 Colt was first introduced in 1872, it was called the "Long Colt" because there was a shorter .45 Colt in circulation. Nowadays, there is is no difference, since the "long Colt" is the only .45 Colt round in production.

@tjmooremusic

6 жыл бұрын

Aridian Thanks for the clarification.

@aridian7787

6 жыл бұрын

tjmooremusic : Oh, you’re welcome.

@direktorpresident

4 жыл бұрын

Not quite. The "other" .45 round "short" was the Schofield, for the Smith and Wesson which the Army used, and they didn't want to get mixed up..so they called the Colt the "long Colt". There never was a short Colt.

Have you ever heard of 45 colt cases being too wide for a .452 diameter bullet? I purchased Winchester 45 colt brass and the reloading manual says to use .452 diameter bullets. Only think is I dont have to flare the opening of the cases and I can push the bullet into the case by hand. I am at a loss for words her. Have you ever had this issue?

@Lar45

8 ай бұрын

You need to size your brass before loading.

@sixwheelcarlisle8491

8 ай бұрын

@@Lar45 I do

Have TWO .45 colt....One pistol and One Rifle....both are deer slayers and even an elk or moose. Winchester Model 94ae-Ruger RED Hawk

44 Mag and beyond... load in steps and keep your eye on the case and primer. This would be a good video study...

FC. I shoot 45 Colts out of a 1858 SS Remmie with a Taylor’s SS convèrter. I try to keep reloads down to 10 KCUP. Federal 225 LSWC HP is the best CAS factory load in the one in thirty inch barrel twist meant for 140 gr. R Bs!

I made a mistake of loading 375 rounds using s magnum primer. None of the powder or primer company’s will give me info on it. 250 gr bullet , 250 gr unique powder, magnum primer in once fired brass, factory crimp.

@steve-ey3rx

Жыл бұрын

Shoot 'em. They'll be fine. The only way that primer will make a difference is if you're already pushing the envelope of your load.

I turn down .454 casull brass to .45lc length and then load my .45lc loads hot, hot, hot.. So there.

@Ron-Swanson

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Keep up the old 1929 45 colt.

@milano61

3 жыл бұрын

The safety of a cartridge in a firearm is not determined by the strength of the case but by the strength of the chamber and receiver.

I have used Buffalo bore 325 grain wide-open flat point at 1350 fps from my 7and one half inch 45 colt Blackhawk, I have taken elk large bear 600 lbs and numerous deer and 40 boar up to 500 lbs with only a few second shots needed,

Do you do any black powder 255gr .45 colt rounds?

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

Maurice Rogerson - That 45 Colt would be a great one to load black powder though...just haven't had any incentive to do BP - when I first heard that the residues were bad for brass, plus the fouling and gun cleaning...Plus the storage danger. just never got around to trying it. Best Regards to ya, FC

@paulchandler9646

7 жыл бұрын

Im using the Lee 340 45-70 bullet sized down to .454 in my Rossi.Im using 20 grains of H-110 with low pressure around 17.000 .Very accurate and will drop a moose like it was pole axed at 70 yards.

@FortuneCookie45LC

7 жыл бұрын

albert johnson - That's some major sizing down you are doing, If I tried to size a lot of my 45/70 (.459" - .460") down to .454" with my RCBS Lube-A-Matic 2 sizer lubricator, I'd probably wear out that press (that's what happened to my Lyman 450 lubri-sizer) But the Lee sizer dies should be able to handle that nicely. My guess would be that is what you are using. That 340 would make a formidable 45 Colt slug for sure...Thanks for reporting this in the event any viewers out there want to use the extra heavy bullets. This would make a great YT video that you should do... especially since you have hunting experience with that bullet in the 45 Colt. Best to ya, FC

I am drooling for a Smith 460!

@FortuneCookie45LC

10 жыл бұрын

gman77gas - like Han Solo said "Nothing like a good blaster at your side, kid" Millenium Falcon 1977...;)

8 grains of Unique with lead 255 grain bullets is no where near +P loading pressures. In fact that load is just at the higher end of a cowboy load with an approximate mv of 800-825 fps depending on barrel length. A hot load with that lead bullet would be more like 9 - 9.5 grains of Unique powder for mv of 900-1000 fps. That load is still at or below SAMMI standards 14,000 psi for standard 45 Colt cartridges.Best read up in your reloading manual before putting out erroneous load data.

Now what about modern 1894 Lever guns like the Marlin or Winchester. Those are supposed to be strong receivers and are supposed to be perfectly safe firing hot loaded 45 colt ammo.

In order to avoid case wall thickness and heat treating worries i cut down 454 casull cases to colt length, i like the intermediate burn rate powders in 45 colt rifles like 4759 and 4198 far more than the magnum pistol powders like 2400 and 110, and in my 20" barrel winchester 92 i've gotten 300 grain XTPs blazing out 2000 fps with 18.4gr of 4198, the recoil in the crescent butt gun is manageable more so than 4500ftlb loads in my 1895 guide gun as long i use proper mounting of the gun around and over my posterior deltoid muscle. with a hard cast keith that 45 colt rifle load is my black bear load.

@FortuneCookie45LC

9 жыл бұрын

james beech I like your well thought out considerations to get powerhouse 45 Colts - that 2000 fps /300 from your rifle gives you a short 45/70. Still, I think I would prefer using that 45/70 of yours with a 405 grain bullet at 1750-1800fps or use your 45 Colt loads with a good recoil pad. And shoot standing, thank you!! Good huntin' to ya

@FortuneCookie45LC

8 жыл бұрын

+james beech -- Good grief - I've shot 320 grain cast with max 2400 (don't want to put that load in print because it is over max in some manuals) in my M92 Rossi and the recoil beats up my fingers in the lever - stout bugger. Yours is hotter...lever guns so loaded aren't really fun to shoot. Power is king, but for a lot of us, there are limits - more power to ya...!! FC

Anyone try 8 grains of longshot ?- yes I've read the loading manual

Dear fortune cookie I've recently started reloading for my 45 Long colt and I hadn't reloaded in a long time. Being anxious to get going I inadvertently loaded 40 rounds of 200 grain Lee tumble Lube bullets without lubing them what would be the consequence of shooting them ?

@steve-ey3rx

Жыл бұрын

A leaded barrel.

@turdboman

Жыл бұрын

@@steve-ey3rx thank you

@steve-ey3rx

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't you warm the tumble lube and roll the loaded rounds in it? Then wipe (or dry tumble) the cases clean? Slow and messy, but it's only 40 rounds and quicker than pulling them.

@turdboman

Жыл бұрын

@@steve-ey3rx THANKS

Underwood ammo makes hot 45 +p long-colt!

45 colt is a must have.

novice question to an expert. Im planing to buy a clone gun of the Colt 1873 cattleman (like Uberti) - but I have been told that you can only load black powder in the ammo for them. I think it´s not true. But like with all reloadning ammo you really really need to be absolutely sure. Can I load ammo for a Uberti 1873 cattleman with smokeless powder???

@DB-fy5wy

4 жыл бұрын

Modern colt clones such as the Uberti Cattleman are made with modern steel and are more then capable of firing smokeless ammo at standard pressures you can hand load black powder loads for nostalgia purposes if you wish but feel free to fire all the smokeless ammo you want through it! I have a uberti cattleman and have aways used factory smokeless ammo through it.

Very interesting! Can you shoot theses hot loads in a Taurus Judge.

@davekoenig9935

3 жыл бұрын

You can find freebie load manuals online, including online Poweley powder computer ( interactive )!

I have a H&r single shot to handle that stuff. I want them