Mira has the same character arc as Lorgar! Right now a devout Emperor-botherer, but the first cracks are beginning to show. .... I wonder what is gonna be her Monarchia

@Gallowglacht

28 күн бұрын

Maybe it will actually be Monarchia. ADB does a decent job of humanising the 2D moustache twirling villians of 40K. For the first half anyway.

@Vroomerz

27 күн бұрын

I'd say... at about book 14.

@6dragondaddy913

27 күн бұрын

Slaanesh already has their crab claws in her.

@thebag1981

26 күн бұрын

Mirgar

God Emperor DESTROYS elderly priest with FACTS and LOGIC

@johnnywatkins

27 күн бұрын

The imperial truth doesn’t care about your feelings

@Aberinkula9

10 күн бұрын

I believe you are just joking with the contradiction of the "God" Emperor thing. Besides, the Emperor in that story is the personification of any horrible "fedora atheist" from Reddit, for instance.

@murphy7801

8 күн бұрын

​@@Aberinkula9there quoting a well known religious KZreadr actually

Emperor: How much do you believe in religion? Uriah: Heaps!

@filteredjc4653

28 күн бұрын

Emperor: what about Demons and Wizards

@jamesmaybrick2001

28 күн бұрын

@@filteredjc4653 I got the reference, i dont think you did ;)

@filteredjc4653

28 күн бұрын

@jamesmaybrick2001 No, I didn't. I just knew that was an album by the 70s rock band with a vaguely relevant title

Mira hating how Erebus just pops up out of nowhere just to ruin things is going to be really interesting when they get to The End and The Death series

@kharnt.betrayer2946

27 күн бұрын

And the end of Betrayer.

Custodes size: I have always imagined them as someone hit enlarge 100% on the photocopier. They are big Humans. All in proportion to a a standard Human. Astarte's are portrayed as been hulking, musclebound with trunk like arms and legs etc. In essence, an Astartes has the classic Dwarf physique compared to a human. Shrink an Astartes and a Custodes to normal human size. The Custodes looks like normal Human. The Astartes looks ill proportioned and lumpen.

@willumbermarchant5510

23 күн бұрын

Custodes look natty, and Astartes are massive juice heads.

Bulveye is like a phonetic version of Buliwf, which became Beowulf to the Anglo-Saxons. So I think the thing hunting people from the mists theme is less a Predator reference and more a Grendel reference.

@voland6846

24 күн бұрын

Porque no los dos?

The last Church is a masterpiece of irony. Both of the characters are wrong but both of their arguments are essentially failed inversions of each other.

@beowar

6 күн бұрын

can you elaborate on how they are both wrong?

Mira swooning at the thought of half naked Custodies is a whole mood.

@miramanga

28 күн бұрын

❤‍🔥

I find Mira's interest in the Emperor so innocent. But then I'm reminded what she has waiting in store in books like Betrayer and Master of Mankind... it's a real 40K mood.

@briochepanda

28 күн бұрын

But he's got really nice hands, tho. 👐

@overlord2495

28 күн бұрын

MoM is a weak book imho

@Matt-FRESHMINTY

28 күн бұрын

​@@overlord2495its okay but a fair bit overrated IMO. In fact thats my opinion on a lot of ADB's stuff

@Nukefandango

28 күн бұрын

Siege of Terra really drives home how everything happening is the emperor's fault.

@adamstewart5188

27 күн бұрын

@@briochepanda Remember, fellas, if a girl says you have nice hands, it means so much more than she's saying.

I'd like to think that Rogal Dorn would be really confused if someone called him Daddy

@Elbuarto

28 күн бұрын

"I can assure you that I am not your father."

I think Mike Lee pays homage to the novel Eaters of the dead. This novel starts with 2 chapters actually written by an Arabian traveler in the middle ages who comes across vikings and observes their rites. In the rest of the fictional novel he accompanies them as they're called to help a settlement who is under attack by a mysterious foe who comes down from the mountain and kidnaps their folk. This was also turned to a movie with Antonie Banderas called the 13th warrior.

@RobAnybody79

27 күн бұрын

Eaters of the Dead is just Michael Crichton riffing on Beowulf.

@robertguillam8503

25 күн бұрын

That homage was also found in Prospero Burns

Have to say that the chance of a church in SCOTLAND having a mural of St George are pretty low

Ian's expression at the end when he mentions Fallen Angels is a classic

Lindsay Priestly wrote the original fiction for when Tyranids were reimagined for Advanced Space Crusade. She creates Inquisitor Kryptman who has quite a long history and whose John Blanche art looks a bit like Rick Priestly!

I like the Emperor in the Last Church and the whole story. It's like while being in a rush, doing what's he doing, he wanted to explain himself, even if that's just one person he's talking to. Overall sad story.

the Last Church is the only story that allows me to relate to the Emperor. Basically it is what I live every day with my religious coworkers. Except I can't burn down the office at the end of the afternoon.

39:32 creased T-shirt? Better call the Iron Hands!

@miramanga

28 күн бұрын

🤣

@euansmith3699

28 күн бұрын

Iron within, iron without.

@ReverendMeat51

27 күн бұрын

@@euansmith3699 that's Iron Warriors

After their discussion of After Desh'ea and Scions of the Storm , I can not wait to hear Mira's thoughts on Betrayer. It's one of my favorite books and almost single handedly put Angron and Lorgar in the ranks of my favorite primarchs.

39:19 The Book of Lorgar was in False Gods. Kyril Syndermann was trying to translate it and accidentally summoned demons by reading a passage which Eufrati Keeler stopped with her faith (which she got ironically from the Lectitio Divinitatus). It's a nice hint of how the Word Bearers have turned from devoted worshippers of the Emperor as a God to worshippers of Chaos.

The emperor be like "religion is bad because it gets people killed (by me)"

Ian going all out on the thumbnail game 😂

@daveeol1987

28 күн бұрын

That's concentrated soy face there

'That's the sign of Chaos, innit'.

@larsickenroth7169

27 күн бұрын

A t-shirt slogan if there ever was one … 😁

Erebus, the man determined to eventually brake the bastard scale

The Last Church is still one of my favorite wharhammer moments so far.

It is interesting seeing Mira encountering the Last Church. At the time it was written it very much felt they were going "The Emperor is not a good dude", and then later on felt they had overplayed it and started rolling it back a bit. My read of this story was always "The Emperor is exactly what he says he is criticising."

I just can't wait for Mira's thoughts on Master of Mankind, the book made me a full Emperor enjoyer (especially the scene where he smiles)

I understand Ian’s objections to the space wolves to killing the entire planet after one guy said no to joining the imperium. Then again, these are the space wolves were taking about. If prospero has taught us anything, the space wolves aren’t exactly the sharpest blade in the Imperium.

"Elves are still alright though!" "Weeeeeell.." *happy claps*

1:26:50 I think you guys took this question too seriously, I think it was supposed to be a joke about how mad the Blood Games are and how competitive the Custodes get in them.

@craggylotus

26 күн бұрын

yeah a Custodes being so determined to win the Blood Games that they replaced Horus, started a Heresy and brought a whole ... dozen armies? ... to get to the Emperor.

I can't wait until Mira reads the Word Bearers book

@grantkruger3689

27 күн бұрын

And the one with both Word Bearers AND World Eaters 😆

@boop2908

27 күн бұрын

@@grantkruger3689 The best Heresy novel imo. Fire the ursus claws!

Hybrasil is a mythucal island of the coast of ireland. It is said to appear and reappear over time. It appeared on medievil maps too.

There ARE a lot of snake cults....I'd like to believe this is a Conan reference " 2 or 3 years ago they were just another snake cult, now they're everywhere."

These reviews are wonderfully wholesome & brilliantly concise. I watch for your opinion, but I stay for the chill mood 😊

"Having a lovely Wolf Time." 😄😄😄👍 What a great episode; so much fun. #visitscotland

Mira is correct! Big E’s hunkiness is a vital part of his character. Also very nice to see After Desh’ea getting some love, it really is a remarkable short story.

God the 'jumping out of bushes' 'i don't think it needs to be a bush for an ambush' back and forth was so funny. You two are so charming, love your videos

If you go off the old lore the Pariah gene that gives humanity Blanks was put into us by the Deceiver (C'Tan) back when we were tiny monkeys for "Just As Planned" reasons (Pariahs before they were ret-coned out of existence). I think it's implied from that that it's passed down through heredity. 3rd edition Necron codex as my "source"(I say very loosely, it's been 10+ years since I've read it) and it's probably not even canon anymore because of the 5th edition space Egyptian update.

I so look forward to these. Thanks for keeping going.

25:51 Imperium of Man: "Cleave means Cleave."

For the audiobook version of The Voice, Emma Gregory narrates it, and years later comes back and voices just the singular role of Jenetia Krole in Saturnine, while everyone else is by Jonathan Keeble. Found that kinda interesting, since otherwise Keeble voices the ENTIRE Siege of Terra. Made me want a lot more Krole or other Sisters!

I was excited about "The Last Church" when I first heard about it. Everything I've seen about it since has suggested it's the story of an annoying Reddit atheist having a 'debate' with someone who's faithful but not well-schooled in theology. Which is a common problem when sci-fi writers want to write about Big Philosophical Ideas, but don't have much grounding in philosophy or the humanities, as they do their best to sound Smart without actually knowing anything that actual experts talk about on these topics.

@Gallowglacht

27 күн бұрын

But literature, like all art, is also shaped by the audience. So it can be read as Wise Atheist Genius owns Dogmatic Moron. However, that isn't the only way to interpret it. You can read it as the impression you were given - Annoying Reddit Atheist Dooms Own Plans Because of Religious Blindspot. So, rather than the Emperor being omniscient perfect being - what if he is just an edgelord. A super powerful one, but just a 2 dimensional, overconfident edgelord. Well the stories all still work. The Imperial Truth leads the Luna Wolves blindly into conflict with the Interex - who might otherwise have saved the entire Imperium. Instead of humiliating Lorgar and turning the Word Bearers from fanatic loyalists into the instigators of the Heresy - maybe the Emperor should have sat down Lorgar and said, "look, buddy, there are Gods, but they are malevolent, and we need to protect humanity from them". Lorgar after all did overthrow a chaos cult on his homeworld and his Levictio Divinitatus formed the basis of the Imperial Faith that humanity now uses to defend against Chaos. So read and enjoy the story. See it as a paradox and a tragedy. If the Emperor really is perfect and all knowing - doesn't that make Lorgar's claim that he is a God in all but name true. And if he is not perfect, but merely hugely powerful - then that opens the door to him being wrong. Not about everything, but maybe in how he tackles religion. Maybe treat it as a metaphor. He tries to lead a mortal human to the truth using his greater wisdom. And the human turns around and walks into a burning building, just as he leads humanity in a great crusade, only for humans to turn around and burn it down. So the same characters, the same words, the same scenario tell different stories, depending on the readers viewpoint. If the Emperor is right, it is the tragic story of a hero trying to do right, and the person he is trying to save dooms themselves through ignorance. However, if the Emperor isn't the hero, it is the story of a delusional tyrant who dooms the weak and ignorant through his own arrogance.

@HistoritorJimaldus

26 күн бұрын

The ‘experts’ aren’t much better to be honest, and some are far worse (presups 😂)

@singtothesilence

11 күн бұрын

I had this reaction particularly badly when I first read it. For context, it was 2008 or so, I was 14, one of the few "openly" Christian pupils in an all-boys grammar school, and the recent release of the Da Vinci Code had made mocking Christians with easy-access buzz-phrases all the rage (combine that with standard teenage "rebellious" impulse and the faux-intellectualism of a grammar school classroom...). So you can imagine how hard I bounced off Dawkins-in-Gold here.

If GW ever decides to make End Times for 40k I wouldnt mind if story ended on Custodian watching from orbit an atoimic blast spreading through Himalazia thinking to himself "hehe, I won"

The fall of the Eldar had serious Woodstock '99 vibes.

Angron is a magic empath and i think the desire to implant the nails is because of their empathy from him.

Absolutely can't wait until Mira gets to First Heretic...

I am with Mira. The Emperor Protects

Mira please do a video when this is all over, with all your collected descriptions of the emperor and how your views of him changes over the course of reading all the books… pllleeaaassseee. Would be awesome to see what happens

Always bowled over by the polished and professional presentation 😀

The emperor and Land talked about the nails and that although it may be possible for him to remove them, it was too late because they had already changed his body. But he did also forbid Angron from giving his own poor man's nails to the rest of the legion and sent the space wolves to try and put a stop to this and bring back the one's who had already had them implanted right?

Every Word Bearer should have a long slim mustache

Yep, Rick is Lindsay Priestly's husband :)

That is now my canon voice for the Emperor.

About The Last Church...I think of the Emperor in that story as just a younger, less mature version of himself. He's still in his "warlord" era and, as such, is perhaps a lot more arrogant and overconfident (at least externally) than he is later on. I think that the story foreshadows a couple of things. Just as the Emperor was the genesis of the man's religion, he becomes the genesis for the Imperial religion later on. Even more importantly, the story shows that the Emperor doesn't really "get" humans as he thinks that he can just walk up there and talk this dude out of his religion. At the end, even though he may be persuaded intellectually, he still goes back inside the church because it's as much a heart thing as a mind thing.

Mira did such a great job! This was thoroughly enjoyable, thank you!

Lots of things point to the Emperor waking up, but what if what's waking up in that shell of a body is actually Horus having clawed his way back from the beyond. He could live in secret as a dark emperor without anyone knowing. Then later the true emperor having elevated himself after taking in so much psychic energy, can manifest himself back to life with a new body, and we'll have the best of both terrible worlds that can go toe-to-toe.

@jackp492

27 күн бұрын

I always thought it would have been fitting for the emperor to have been destroyed on the vengeful spirit and they needed a vessel for the the throne so they used Horus in secret and shame, and ironically the imperium has been worshipping the Horus on the throne for the last 10,000 years, because that’s way more tragic, Horus wanted to stop his dad doing this, but then he destroyed him and ended up being the thing he was trying to stop happening, But I guess that didn’t happen in the books

These book clubs are my favourite videos to paint/build models too!!!! Love that Lionel Richie reference "Hello" at 51:04 :)

I love that DX619 is a pro-wrestling reference, just snuck in there.

Noice! Managed to finally catch up with all the podcast episodes. The Horus Heresy ones at least. 😅

I started watching your series on KZread and then I switched to listening on Spotify. So I've actually heard this one, even though it's new, but I'll leave this comment here because I liked your conversation.

Just came for the thumbnail!

It was Sly and Kurt Russel in Tango and Cash.

Didn't know I'd jumped so far ahead of yall.. just started Fear to Tread

@grantkruger3689

27 күн бұрын

I'm on Betrayer, but I've been reading for a couple years already 😆

@anthonym6160

27 күн бұрын

@grantkruger3689 I just started at the beginning of the year.. foolishly hoping to finish by the end of the year.

@Ryan30z

27 күн бұрын

​@@anthonym6160 that's ambitious. That's about a book every 5 days

@anthonym6160

27 күн бұрын

@Ryan30z oh I know. I'm trying to balance with audio books.. because I work a menial retail job.. but I kinda hate doing it that way because I listened to the battle of calth in a single shift and I feel like I didn't retain much

This was the first Hersey Book I read (liked it enough to then read a lot of the others :) ) Another great review vid 😊

Goddamn but I just love Kharn so much.

Nobody questioned a 10 foot tall merchant?

A new Book Club! Let`s go!

The Lightning stone exists. Its a thing you can visit. Its on one of the islands. There are lots of "Lightning stones" but Gaham is referring to one specific one. He said it an interview i have read (or watched on you tube). I can't remember where now.

@HistoritorJimaldus

26 күн бұрын

On Mira’s channel?

Excellent, another episode of the book club. :)

I think the church is implied to be Lindisfarne

@HistoritorJimaldus

28 күн бұрын

Seen Mira’s interview with Graham about it?

I would like to watch the video veryvery much, but because of this series I started reading Horus Heresy and I'm currently only up to Flight of the Eisenstein. So I've come to leave a like & this comment and I'll come back after I've finished book 10!

I’d forgotten I’d read these books so nice to be reminded.

Oh boy Mira, if you think Erebus is repulsive now... Just you wait about 60 more novels... He'll be there for the end, and the death.

@perfidy1103

28 күн бұрын

Oh that moment... Erebus is the worst.

@filteredjc4653

28 күн бұрын

I like the way 'the end and the death' is foreshadowed the very first time that the Astartes encounter a demon (when they hear Samus over their vox and decide to ignore it)

Really hyped for y’all to read the outcast dead because Spoilers. It’s awesome

The wolf story also has strong 13th warrior vibes

Blanks are what happens when Big E fumbles his Alchemy skill.

Now that Mira is nicely settled into the horrors of the Warhammer universe you guys should have a crack at "The Skinner" by Neal Asher. The Polity Universe has some critters that make the Tyranids look like lovable puppies.

Its true. Mira has a pair of Gold Custodes boots.

39:34 Hold on... wait a minute! Who is ironing t-shirts? ; )

I can't be the only one who had John Farnham in his head while reading 'The Voice'.

IAN! Let the woman have her Emperor botherer fantasy's.

If anyone's interested there is an amazing fan animation of the last church on KZread

I cannot wait till you guys get to Know No Fear…

Oh the OG 13th Company was rad as heck! #Codex:EyeOfTerrErasureRealCrrimeAgainstCanon

The Alpharius primarch book reveals the origin of the blood games - possibly 😅

@obnoxiouspriest

28 күн бұрын

This is a lie.

@Ryan30z

27 күн бұрын

"this is a lie" aside. You kind of have to go with it's an interesting but non canon story. It seriously messes with parts of the story.

The Last Church discussion starts at 56:40

Thank you.

Got a chaos star tattoo on my back, you wont recognize it, before its too late. 😈

Graham McNeill definitely threw some of Scotland into the The Last Church, he set in Skye.

It continues!

Omg emp is shiny richard Dawkins!

I thought this book had the iron warriors story where we meet Dantioch in

@HistoritorJimaldus

28 күн бұрын

Next anthology I think

Buliwyf as in the Beowulf inspired character in 13th warrior, in the 13th great company of the space wolves?

Is this the first one that actually went up first as a podcast! In which case I gaslit myself into believing I had heard it before.

Brasil mentioned!

Can we get a Mira thirsting for the Emperor in universe romance novella written by Graham McNeill please?

This thumbnail is 10/10 Can you please put this on a shirt or a cup for me?

Just wait until Monarchia.. 4 more books to go, Mira.

@HistoritorJimaldus

26 күн бұрын

Two now she just finished Thousand Sons

Mira begins to question the Emperor! Holy fuck! Will Mira turn traitor and heretic soon? ? ??

Hello guys, I've been a subscriber for a long time and I'm trying to connect the physical warhammer books but I'm stuck in false gods and I don't know where to buy or order books. Can you tell me where to buy or order books that are hard to find like flight of the eisenstein, descent of angels etc.. I'm from Italy

@ArbitorIan

27 күн бұрын

They don't keep every single book in physical print all the time. If you want physical books the best bet is either Black Library or failing that, eBay. Pretty much everything ever printed is available as ePub from Black Library though

@petersgamezone

27 күн бұрын

@@ArbitorIan I guess ebook may be the logical way to go. Although seeing physical books lined well and orderly in the house still holds it's charm. 1 guy on ebay is selling descent of angels for more than a hundred euros.

@HistoritorJimaldus

26 күн бұрын

@@petersgamezoneyou can get it much cheaper than that, might have to wait a while though and do auctions instead of buy it now

It's very refreshing to see a 40k channel that both acknowledges the diversification of Warhammer and isn't super rage-baity about it. Love you guys.