Funny how D&D pushed for realism for the most inconsequential things that endangered the cast and crew but not for the writing.

@grzegorzmj4881

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the worst part. There were some accident on the LOTR set and actors were definitely sometimes pushed to their limits but it paid of because those movies are a masterpiece alsp due to that devotion. Like Helm's Deep was 4 months of night shoots in rain and cold and it turned out to be the greatest siege in cinematic history. But here it seems like D&D put actors through that horror for their own fun. And I don't care if some stunts in last seasons are real because the story makes me indifferent anyway.

@domskillet5744

Жыл бұрын

The story with the Hound is the most atrocious regarding this. The entire Beyond the Wall episode was such fabricated nonsense but they had to make sure that background shots with the Hound had him carrying an actual dude.

@axelthegreat3895

Жыл бұрын

yeah, endangering the cast & crew is fine if the movie or tv show turns out good

@domskillet5744

Жыл бұрын

@@axelthegreat3895 It just adds another level of irony, he's not saying that lol

@axelthegreat3895

Жыл бұрын

@@domskillet5744 the guy legit says that the actors being pushed to their limits in LOTR paid off cuz the movie was good. straight up excusing the endangerment of actors for the sake of a good movie

D and D treated the female actresses like props, even the leads. Emilia has also spoken about how they wanted her to be naked ALL the time and Jason Mamoa had to protect her. He was like, "Bring her a goddam robe!" Then Nikolaj Coster-Waldau had to put his foot down and demand that Gwendoline Christie have breaks from wearing her armor that weighed 30lbs.

@Spongebrain97

Жыл бұрын

I think it was after that scene in season 6 where Daenerys burns all of the Dothraki leaders and walks out of the hut naked that Emilia was finally able to put her foot down and say she wasnt going to get naked anymore. But this was already several years into the show.

@livinglifeform7974

Жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 I believe it was a while before then, only doing the season 6 one because it was relevant to the scene.

@jenniferbaumgarden9293

Жыл бұрын

@@livinglifeform7974 It was back in Season 1 is when she said this happened. Jason wouldn't have been on the show after that.

@Spongebrain97

Жыл бұрын

@@livinglifeform7974 what the OP was talking about happened in season 1. Im referring to when years later Emila was able to say no

@MajorMlgNoob

Жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 I think that's the only scene she's naked in from Season 4 on

when you find out Emilia Clarke was going through all that quietly, while still giving her best, we cant appreciate her enough.

@Thragg__

Жыл бұрын

On top of having a brain aneurysm and having pieces of her brain removed.

@kingrobert7246

Жыл бұрын

She’s getting paid well I don’t need to appreciate her

@volkova6209

Жыл бұрын

@@kingrobert7246 Soo you can't appreciate her for her acting because she's rich..... And she doesn't deserve it..? You're giving incel vibes

@kingrobert7246

Жыл бұрын

@@volkova6209 also kind of worrying that you are detecting ‘incels’ when they say nine words, you know, almost as if you ARE one

@volkova6209

Жыл бұрын

@@kingrobert7246 i just wrote a long ass reply but it got deleted because youtube is shit, anyway You stated that she was payed so you can't appreciate her or whatever, and I've seen an influx of people in the comments saying shit like that and it's annoying. And why is it always about the female actresses..? Anyway you're an idiot to call me an incel because i could literally not give less of a shit about gender, you're far from the truth. You don't actually have a reason to call me one you just don't have anything to actually say to me so tou deflect my insults (that are actually accurate) onto me (which doesn't make sense) Also i can't believe you replied with 3 comments, i must of really gotten to your feelings

Jesus this is awful. It’s been popular to hate on D&D for how bad the ending was but this is absolutely atrocious. I hope she wins the case

@hussainraza8009

Жыл бұрын

what case are you talking about? im sorry i am new to the GoT community so idk much about lawsuits and other things

@galicanthemagus

Жыл бұрын

@@hussainraza8009 If you watched the video, he mentions it.

@samuraicupcake289

Жыл бұрын

A girl broke her ankle because of poor set safety. I hope she wins too.

@Dylunic

Жыл бұрын

I hope that case gets put onto the internet like depp vs heard

@Boobalopbop

Жыл бұрын

They’re sadists

Respect to Liam Cunningham for standing up to D&D like that. Honestly, not enough people talk about how amazing his portrayal of Davos was

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

Similar thing happened with the actor who played Sir Barristan. He wrote a letter to D&D on why he shouldn't've been killed off in Season 5 and D&D said that just made them want to kill him off more.

@spacemegalodon5049

Жыл бұрын

@G filmer I think his actor read the books beforehand and that’s why he was so surprised and upset that D&D were going to kill him off.

@John-xr9ry

Жыл бұрын

@@gfilmer7150, heard that. Such a shame because the casting for Barristan was so on point. I remember watching the scene where he talked with daenerys before his death and just thinking how incredible this casting choice was. You can imagine my disappointment when the episode ended. It was honestly the scene that confirmed to me that this show wasn’t gonna be what it used to be

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

@@spacemegalodon5049 That is exactly what happened and it was a mistake killing him off.

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

@@John-xr9ry It was the deaths of Barristan and Stannis, that showed that D&D wanted to clear the board of players.

Worst shooting day on GoT: almost beheading, waterboarding, torturing babies Worst shooting day on Breaking Bad: they had Anna Gunn sing the "Happy Birtday to you" song multiple times!!

@mappingshaman5280

Жыл бұрын

What about when giancarlo esposito slit jeremiah bitsuis throat and vince put it in the show? JK ofc.

@elconcaro8031

Жыл бұрын

God Bless her I hope she's okay

@saintroddy

Жыл бұрын

Tbf Bob Odenkirk very nearly died on the BCS set, and was only saved by quick application of an AED. That must have been an awful day of filming.

@mappingshaman5280

Жыл бұрын

@@saintroddy True, but that was caused by him having a heart attack, not by the producers deciding to commit baby torture or anything.

@JustAnotherAccount8

Жыл бұрын

@@mappingshaman5280 Unless you have a source, I'm not sure it should be ruled out. Heart attacks can be caused by overworking/stress/lack of sleep so there could potentially be something there

This book sounds like it's trying to be the "Haha wow remember those interesting stories from LotR, like Viggo kicking the helm and breaking his toe? Crazy, right? We have stories like that." And then there are outright abusive and unsafe working conditions scattered about.

@sd5371

Жыл бұрын

I prefer when the actor for Sam stepped on a glass bottle on the river scene in Fellowship after the crew spent over an hour scouring the waters for such rubbish. But the toe breaking is a good behind the scenes. But yeah GoT is horrific by comparison

@viktorvaughn7341

Жыл бұрын

Especially considering that the LotR "accidents" or whatever you wanna call em were all pretty innocuous like Viggo kicked the helmet four or five times before he broke his toe, GoT would have made him break his toe by kicking it 74 times

@esmee6308

Жыл бұрын

@@viktorvaughn7341 And whenever I heard the stories it generally came from actors remenissing over it fondly, even the breaking the toe part was 'shit happens, kinda on me, so glad it made the final cut.' Not, 'I suffered through something as bad as childbirth for the 2 minute scene you barely remember until I just pointed it out.' 'Yeah that 1 second of people falling off the wall at Winterfell, you remember? (Not really.) I lost my ability to walk normally for that.'

@viktorvaughn7341

Жыл бұрын

@@esmee6308 Exactly, I think the only people reminiscing are David and Dan my guess is they probably have a torture kink or something like there really could not possibly be an explanation for really any of this

@bloodangel19

Жыл бұрын

Oh and the dirty Sansa thing was also likely inspired by Viggo

I can’t believe they released this book, they really didn’t know how bad it made them look

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

They probably did it because they thought them literally torturing people were just "happy memories". Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the whole GRRM quote about Stannis burning Shireen come from this book? Because if it did, that's probably another possible explanation as to why they released it, in a desperate attempt to get the fans to stop hounding them about one of the worst character assassinations in the show.

@celozzip

Жыл бұрын

persons of the "semitic tribe" have no empathy or scruples at all

@Spongebrain97

Жыл бұрын

@@gfilmer7150 I think George did confirm that Shireen will get burned in the books but he didn't give the context. Fans think that it won't be Stannis ordering it however and it'll instead be Melisandre doing in order to resurrect Jon Snow because it'll fall in line with "only death can pay for life".

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 I believe that fan theory too. We know Shireen is gonna by turned into crispy bacon but we don’t know who’s gonna do it.

@larochejaquelein3680

Жыл бұрын

@@gfilmer7150 Stannis would never burn Shireen because such a despicable act would not befit a just and honourable man such as Stannis. It must have been DnD‘s idea

What kind of psychos are they that they put a baby on freezing ice for a completely unnecessary scene that adds only a little to the plot?

@yetipotato8567

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, actors can consent for some possibly dangerous stunts to make it seem more realistic, but a baby cant do it. And babys are woulnerable af. Imagine if they got pneumonia or were traumatized from the scene. If you can't get a good enough fake ice place the baby on stone slab altar etc.

@danielveres4351

Жыл бұрын

And in the end it added absolutely nothing to the plot...

@SkullZie

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they only wanted it for "ReALiSmN" 😕 the poor baby

@VIMaggotVIBrainzVI

Жыл бұрын

@@danielveres4351 Lol, ikr? I almost forgot about this damn scene due to how inconsequential it turned out to be. It's like they just decided to ditch the concept as soon as they wrapped up the Craster's keep subplot.

@alexanderzack3720

Жыл бұрын

@@VIMaggotVIBrainzVI the only thing it did for the plot is show us the night king can create more walkers..... but for that they don´t need to put a baby on ice

"D and D were known for giving out fake scripts." They did it so often that for two whole seasons they forgot to replace the fake ones with the real ones!

@ledrash6079

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if they had put all their time into writing good ones instead of just having so much time to spare they could produce several fake ones. Geez.

D&D wanting to "verify" the Baby's gender is really horrifying. That alone would be enough of a reason to hate them, but then they literally torture their actors for "art". I hope they never find work at directing or writing again

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I honestly wanted to call Chris Hansen on them

@celozzip

Жыл бұрын

looking for foreskin i imagine, its a delicacy for their ilk.

@uFFFO

Жыл бұрын

They did go overboard here and there, but it would have all been forgiven, had they made a great product.

@remus4283

Жыл бұрын

@@uFFFO Nah, a lot these seem really unnecessary, especially given modern technology.

@mbrammy7

Жыл бұрын

Yeah what the fuck more people need to know this

David and Dan are horrible people, honestly don’t know how they weren’t questioned

@axelthegreat3895

Жыл бұрын

terrible working conditions like these happen often in hollywood. it’s not just david & dan

@FrancisHD

Жыл бұрын

@@axelthegreat3895 But it is good that these kind of situations are being more public

@noblegalifreyan4551

Жыл бұрын

Probably because the show was so successful that people didn't want to lose on their fat checks. Now that it's over it's easier to come out

@glanni

Жыл бұрын

@@noblegalifreyan4551 Not only the pay checks for this show in particular, but also their reputation in Hollywood. You don't go around trashtalking your boss, because every boss will avoid you like the plague.

@kiraxxxxxxxxx

Жыл бұрын

They are horrible because they ruined the show with S8.

Wait, D&D made Cersei pour a carafe of wine BECAUSE it was WHAT THE FANS WOULD EXPECT?!?!? What about subverting expectations, guys?

@maliziosoeperverso1697

Жыл бұрын

Imagine the parallel universe where she pours a goblet of wine instead, and fans are criticizing the scene by saying a carafe is more in-character

@Tyler_W

Жыл бұрын

Given the way that entire scene was shot, they literally could've shown wine being poured on the actor for like two seconds and then showed Cersei the rest of the time. That way, the actor wouldn't be subjected to literal torture, and it would've left more to the imagination. Sometimes being more explicit is what's called for, but a lot of times, less is more, and subtlety wins the day. There's no better example of this than the horror genre. People are more terrified of what they don't see and what they imagine for themselves than what's actually right in front of them. Shows and movies need to relearn the art of subtlety and respecting the intelligence of their audience.

@AlvenVinland

Жыл бұрын

Well, they really subvert the expecations i the last seasons

@SacredDaturana

Жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W It would have worked better for the story too, since Cersei's catharsis or lack thereof should be the focus of that scene.

@nikhilajmera7686

Жыл бұрын

Didn't they say that they had Arya Kill the Night King to subvert expectations 😂

Although the fandom despises D&D for how they botched the delivery of GOT in the later seasons, I love how people really respect and appreciate the actors and actresses who put so much into their roles. It’s like there’s a general understanding that the issues were beyond their control, and we appreciate what they did to make this show happen

@glanni

Жыл бұрын

I agree so much on that! I'm grateful that the fandom is smart enough to understand that the cast and crew all worked really hard in hard conditions, and gave it all their best, all the time.

@Demi_Purple

Жыл бұрын

I think the much-watched final table reading and their dead-eyed PR interviews really helped drive home that *_NO ONE_* was happy with D&D or the ending.

@alverygrissom2544

Жыл бұрын

after all acting was never GoT's problem, only those two pathetic hacks that can't write a good sentence without Martin's supervision

@kingbobombfan

Жыл бұрын

@@Demi_Purple what about all the interviews they’ve given where they’ve defended it? Just cos that goes against your opinion is that all worthless lmao

@hypershadw

Жыл бұрын

@@kingbobombfan no, most defended it backhandedly. Like peter dinklage in an interview said that "it was done brilliantly, the wrote was brilliant, etc" with a very unhappy look on his face while also in a behind the scenes video says "I thought tyrion was the smart one but I guess not that smart"

That battle of winderfell hurts. Imagine going through all that trouble and pain only for the footage to be damn near unwatchable

@alatielinara

Жыл бұрын

the best episode of 8 season is the episode about how they shot it.

@1400_Trout

Жыл бұрын

@@alatielinara Hahaha

Actually, injuring your balls is the first thing I would imagine could go wrong when riding a dragon.

@Caesim9

Жыл бұрын

Yep, watching all these things I thought »Man, they really have to work their legs to keep their butt above the dragon«

@MajorMlgNoob

Жыл бұрын

Not falling off? Or getting killed attempting to mount?

@austinperry1671

Жыл бұрын

It takes balls to ride a dragon…we thought that was figurative but apparently not

@stansman5461

Жыл бұрын

@@MajorMlgNoob Those seem to come after. The first thing would be getting on top and not have one of the sharp scales skewer your testicle.

@thepanpiper7715

Жыл бұрын

The scales rubbing the wrong way, the chafing...

It’s criminal seeing how much incredible effort the cast and crew put into making this show, and then the writers are just like “Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet”.

@blueskybelyr

Жыл бұрын

they pushed everyone beyond the limits of their jobs, then the pair of them couldn't be bothered doing their own jobs 🙄

@TomGibson.

Жыл бұрын

All of the effort and suffering they put into the battle of winterfell and it was ultimately all for nothing since season 8 was awful

How in the fucking hell did they need 74 takes? That's the kind of number you get from Jackie Chan doing the pure luck stunts in his movies, like catching a pencil he kicked into the air, and the only reason he needs so many takes for those stunts is because they're pure luck as to whether he'll get them or not. So how the fuck do you need that many takes for a shot of carrying a character down a hall

@avon8794

Жыл бұрын

It's just lazy directing, they could have just reshot the parts of the scene that they felt didn't work instead of redoing the entire scene each time. An experienced director would know how to do it. I think it shows how insecure D&D was that they couldn't judge if something was good enough after a few takes, so they shot it so many times just to be safe.

@CamillaZahn

Жыл бұрын

As a producer I would have stopped them before getting to take 10. 74 takes means they wasted a whole production day or a good portion of it redoing this and torturing both actors.

I feel so bad for Emilia in season 1. I didn’t know she had brain surgery. Also remember how many nude scenes Emilia had during season 1 then had none in season 2? She had to sign something after season 1 so she wouldn’t be nude nearly as often. During season 1’s filming David and Dan literally told her “You wouldn’t want to disappoint your fans would you?” when she talked about being consistently nude on set

@constant_pain1619

Жыл бұрын

Thats so sick I feel so bad for her and the other actors and actresses

@LeventeCzelnai

Жыл бұрын

Hate wagon

@Tyler_W

Жыл бұрын

That's just outright exploitative and abusive. Really makes you wonder if it's even okay to watch things that do that as if it contributes to it somehow. Either way, it was way more than necessary. Explicit can be appropriate in the right context, but rarely is it superior to subtlety and what's left to the imagination. There are classy ways they could've done a lot of things that they just didn't for all of the wrong reasons.

@The_Honcho

Жыл бұрын

That wasn’t D&D who said that, Emila said that when she went to do new shows and movies the other directors told her “You wouldn’t want to disappoint your game of thrones fans would you?”

@stahppls2293

Жыл бұрын

According to Emilia Jason Momoa was a great help during that time, making sure she was okay before and after scenes and demanding they take better care of her from because they often left her naked and shaken, even yelling at crew for a damn towel cause she was left sitting there vulnerable

Brienne closing the "Book of Brothers" before the ink had dried, left me pretty disturbed...

@jacquelinedavis9948

Жыл бұрын

@Manley, Gregory Ah yes, the most amazing medieval fantasy invention: fast drying ink.

If anything this proves that the wankers never bothered to storyboard. Insisting on carrying Isaac, using real ice, carrying a real person for the wight...that's the sort of thing you work out in preproduction what shots you're going to need realism and which shots you can use a dummy for. DND didn't know what they were doing so they just put the actors through hell and filmed it all

@williamapple7705

Жыл бұрын

Yeah someone else mentioned how they obviously could have done other things to prevent scaring the baby. In truth, they had ZERO idea what the final shot was going to look like before they shot the scene, so of course they went overboard. If they had story boarded exactly what we got then they would have avoided so much of those issues.

@HarduntheRanger

Жыл бұрын

@@williamapple7705 like seriously. Have the shot of the night king leering over a bundle the same size as the baby, then shoot the baby with its mother wearing a prosthetic glove for the shot of the king's hand touching its face. Tiny amount of planning, child actor protected.

@caitlin4598

Жыл бұрын

@@HarduntheRanger Exactly, I feel like babies are ludicrously easy to replace with dummies, especially when they're all swaddled up.

@mmmk5385

Жыл бұрын

agreed 100%, In comparison mad max fury board was entirely with storyboards, and there were ZERO injuries on the most stunt heavy film in years. D&D’s incompetency towards planning and lack of care for the actors is worrying

It sucks that the actors had to go through so much stuff to film the long night, only for it to be one of the worst episodes in the show.

@shawshank_1317

Жыл бұрын

Rip :(

@co2_os

Жыл бұрын

And we couldn't even see nothin

@leylarustamova

Жыл бұрын

it was so fucking dark too, if they had filmed it somewhere warm, with fake snow and smoke, NO one would be able to tell

I was thrilled to hear that David and Dan will not be apart of House of The Dragon, I was also reading that they kept George R.R Martin out of the loop with seasons 5-8, whereas the show runners for House of The Dragon are relying on him heavily.

@co2_os

Жыл бұрын

No don't rely on George plz, let that man finish the books, I wish him good health but he doesn't seem to have much time left, don't give him new jobs.

@celesetaa3961

Жыл бұрын

@@co2_os Exactly. Everyone hates him for not finishing the books already:(

The bit with the baby is pretty annoying and unsettling because of how easily the situation could've been written around. Lay the baby down on fake ice so it doesn't feel uncomfortable. The audience isnt going to notice that it is fake. On that shot when the Night King is picking the baby up simply replace the real baby with a fake baby but still have the focus be on the Night King's face which still occurred anyways in the show except now the baby wouldn't be scared 🤦‍♂️

@greasybumpkin1661

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you could have solved that second issue with dead simple camera tricks they do in tons of movies and shows, it's what they often do when an adult is swearing at a kid in a scene, just don't actually have the kid there in the shot. It's quite disgusting how both amateur and unethical they are. A pair of overly privileged nepotistic hires with no competence or likeability to make up for it. Total zeros.

@plmokm33

Жыл бұрын

@@greasybumpkin1661 To be fair those tricks they do in tons of movies and shows are usually spotted and memed on by the audience, like the fake baby from American Sniper. Idk if I'd call it amateur to actively avoid that, but definitely unethical.

@sanimolina8338

Жыл бұрын

I can't even remember it was supposed to be ice, as I was more: "there is the Night King!". They should have just used fake ice. Who cares.

@izabellevallee1184

Жыл бұрын

It would’ve been so much better if the ice was fake, even if people pointed it out and complained about it, it would’ve been better than endangering a baby

@krautgazer

Жыл бұрын

It's absolutely atrocious that they had the budget to make dragons and direwolves but not to put some CGI ice texture over a greenscreen table or something.

I remember Sophie Turner talking about when she found out that Sansa would be involved in the Ramsey storyline - and D&D told her that Sansa was finally getting a love interest, so she thought they were introducing Harry. When the scripts came out, that was when she found out Sansa would be brutalized.

@neverforever4787

Жыл бұрын

I hate how they made her play the brutalized victim role AGAIN. What would have really been interesting is if Ramsay had genuinely fallen in love with Sansa and she used him to get back at Roose for killing her family or something to that effect

@Fankas2000

Жыл бұрын

​@@neverforever4787 Lets have this training montage where the character builds up their strength only to then immediately tare them down!

@mr.noride7226

Жыл бұрын

@@neverforever4787 You think Ramsay would fall in love with her? He is a sadistic freak. The only person he kinda loved was Miranda, but she was just as bad as he was and he didn’t even care when she died. He just said “Feed her to the hounds”

@neverforever4787

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.noride7226 No, I was just throwing an idea out there- something that would be empowering for her character. Her dynamic with Ramsay was the exact same as her dynamic with Joffrey, even down to the jealous female character (with the Joffrey storyline Cersei, with the Ramsay storyline, Myranda) Oh well, at least Sansa got to k*ll him.

@a_wanderer

Жыл бұрын

Who's Harry?

all this torture filming the Long Night just to end up being one of the most underwhelming episodes...

@imkaneforever

Жыл бұрын

And for it to be processed so dark and lose out on so much of the visuals they suffered for.

On the Emilia Clarke point, not only did her character that she looked up to turned into a monster, but scripts given to the archive shows how deceptive it all actually was. From the original script, it makes it out like Daenerys accidentally set off wildfire, which burned up King's Landing, while completely melting the castle down. What we saw was Daenerys actually killing civilians, something not in the script. Emilia Clarke even said that it totally shocked her to see what was on screen in the same way the original script was due to how much worse they assassinated her character.

@jsamue12

Жыл бұрын

holy shit

@kingbobombfan

Жыл бұрын

another lie sigh

@plmokm33

Жыл бұрын

I'd like a citation or something for this because it doesn't make that much sense. There's a video recording of the table reading for the final episode where Jon reacts to learning he's going to kill her, and I don't see how the script would justify him killing her if she burned King's Landing by accident. Not to mention that script was word-for-word what happened in the episode in the parts that were shown, so I doubt the changes were so drastic.

@persephonehades7547

Жыл бұрын

@@plmokm33 it's more like a compilation of videos breaking down everything, but just look up anything to do with the channel the dragon demands and Emilia Clark. There you see the actual wording of the script, Emilia's statements not matching up to whay the final product is, etc. The specifical script archive is WGA. Also i have to add we saw around 6 minutes of script reading, and specifically not the scene dany turns to genocide.

@plmokm33

Жыл бұрын

@@persephonehades7547 To be fair what would the part of that script even say? "Dany pauses for a moment then grows angry. Que *directed by Robert B. Weide* sound clip".

You also have stories about how two of the actors weren't given any direction on their characters so when they did scenes, they were slightly unaware of how to act.

@jimihendrix23456

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a link or an actor's name? I'd like to check that out.

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

@@jimihendrix23456 I don’t have a link but I have the names of the two actors: Stephen Dillane who played Stannis Baratheon and Alexander Siddig who played Doran Martell.

@jimihendrix23456

Жыл бұрын

@@gfilmer7150 Yikes. I was expecting you to be talking about extras, which in itself is not good, but Doran and Stannis? It never fails to amaze me how little thought showrunners can give a character. Though considering how pitifully they handled Doran's death I should not be surprised.

@gfilmer7150

Жыл бұрын

@@jimihendrix23456 Doran, they never cared about because they honestly didn’t care about the Dorne story. Stannis, we know for a fact they hated his character as early as Season 2.

@danielveres4351

Жыл бұрын

@@gfilmer7150 I remember reading about Siddig complaining that he was essentially fired from the show by his character being written out too soon. He literally had live contracts for several more episodes to do, which HBO had to pay him even though his character was killed off.

One thing you didn’t mention… Sophie Turner ended up being traumatized by the “wedding night” with Ramsay… Iwan Rheon even said it was the worst day of his career… and that seen wasn’t in the books at all and entirely D&Ds creation… The actors should really sue them for unsafe and unhealthy work conditions And of course there was the time Ian McElhinney questioned them and told them they shouldn’t kill off Barristan for shock value as he is pretty key in the books… their egos where so massive that they basically killed him off out of spite.

@Excalibur01

Жыл бұрын

It's even said Theon actually didn't get castrated and he had aged into an old man basically instead.

@Darksaviour

Жыл бұрын

@@Excalibur01 It’s assumed in the books but not stated. The thing about Reek in the books is when first see his POV you have no idea it’s actually Theon.

@Excalibur01

Жыл бұрын

@@Darksaviour and they could have skipped all the torture of Theon in the show and just show Reek and the audience slowly realize "holy shit, what the fuck did Ramsey do to him?"

@reedlaverty3489

Жыл бұрын

The scene with Sansa and Ramsay doesn't happen in the books, because that's not a scene with Sansa. Instead its a character pretending to be Arya. It's actually much worse in the books.

@chrissyakaweeb5617

3 ай бұрын

It sort of does happen in the books, in fact it’s worse. It’s with someone else, Sansa’s friend pretending to be Arya, and while the rape may not happen on page Ramsey makes Theon perform (you know what) on her. So it’s messed up in the books too

Liam is awesome. If only every actor was like him and stood up to bad directors and writers for their characters.

@foxiestofbuns3727

Жыл бұрын

well the other time an actor stood up to D&D they killed his character out of spite

@lunardeity3357

Жыл бұрын

@@foxiestofbuns3727 Who? What was he mad about?

@foxiestofbuns3727

Жыл бұрын

@@lunardeity3357 Ian McElhinney the actor for Barristan Selmy, basically sais he didn't agree with the directon of the character

@morinette8162

Жыл бұрын

@@foxiestofbuns3727 this isn't true. ian stood up to d&d when they wanted to kill his character and they said it made them want to kill him even more, but it's not why they did it. these two are already bad enough, you don't need to exaggerate things for people to understand it

@Zett76

Жыл бұрын

Imagine the actors would have united and get D&D quit, after reading these terrible S8 scripts...

Honestly, some of this truly shocked me. They were going too far in some situations. Like with the baby?

@blueskybelyr

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how the parents didn't object. I don't get people who will subject their infant to discomfort for the sake of television or film anyway, but someone telling you they're leaving your baby on a block of ice? I'd be taking him out of there in a second

@renaissancewoman3770

Жыл бұрын

Baby's just look like babies!

@iKennectz

Жыл бұрын

@@blueskybelyr the parents were just interested in money and a claim to fame. You would think they would have learned not to put naked babies in media after the Nirvana baby grew up and sued them for millions even with their parents consent.

@sitcomchristian6886

Жыл бұрын

@@blueskybelyr You've got to watch Borat do his bit with the child actor parents. They agree to anything. I'm actually impressed the mom wouldn't let them show his privates.

I know a lot of people aren’t huge fans of emilia clarke’s acting (i think she’s overhated honestly. She’s definitely not emmy worthy but not awful) but you can’t deny she really put her heart and soul into this show and character, even enduring a serious injury that could’ve killed her.

@thedemonhater7748

Жыл бұрын

I think she’s a good actor, in a show full of *phenomenal* actors. People seem to forget that when talking about her performance IMO

@jasondylan12345

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, S8 was terrible, but Emilia’s Clarke performance in S8 was incredible, you can really tell she pushed herself that season

@joeyjerry1586

Жыл бұрын

@@thedemonhater7748, that’s unfortunately true. I think some of her acting in S8 though was pretty phenomenal, probably the best acting in that season (although that’s probably because she was actually given something to do unlike 90% of the actors)

@Nicholas_Chen_

Жыл бұрын

Yes once you take her health issue into consideration it’s a miracle and unreal work ethic she did all these seasons continuously and rarely open it up to people at work. It’s like, you gotta have real guts to do all that.

@vajeenkawa

Жыл бұрын

The ones whom do not like her "acting" are just jealous

5:10 in relation to this I'm pretty sure I heard or read somewhere that Richard Blake (the actor who plays nightking in this scene) was actually upset by seeing the baby in distress, especially because he knew it was himself that the baby was afraid of because of his full costume and makeup. I could be wrong though as I can't find anything to back this up.

During a Comic Con in the Netherlands I had the pleasure of meeting Ian McElhinney (Ser Barristan Selmy) and Ian Beattie (Ser Meryn Trant of the Kingsguard). Both spoke about how their character was butchered by D&D. Ian Beattie didn't want his character to be a pedophile, but just a nasty weak bully. And the way D&D wrote off Ser Barristan Selmy in the show, and D&D actually being happy about it after Ian McElhinney protested against it, just shows how bad these 2 "writers" really are as people as well...

@danielveres4351

Жыл бұрын

Poor Ian Beattie! I never even thought about him being mistreated and probably many others didn't either, simply because he was playing a universally hated very much sidelined character. Thank you for telling this story!

@avon8794

Жыл бұрын

Such lazy storytelling. No need to make Trant a pedo to justify Arya killing him, would have been a lot more interesting if they tried to give him some nuance instead of just going for shock value. It's like D&D don't understand what people actually like about the show, they think it's just tits, gore and dragons. It's also horrible writing when they kill off characters just because they can't think of what to do with them, and then they can't even give them cool deaths like with Selmy. It's not that uncommon in TV shows unfortunately, but D&D should have been able to plan far enough ahead to avoid it. It also really bugs me that GRRM was less involved in later seasons, and not by his choice, that's when they really would have needed him.

@alexanderzack3720

Жыл бұрын

@@danielveres4351 i heard the actor of trant has a daughter himself.... now imagine the scene where he demands a younger and younger girl from the brothel

@aviation_queen

Жыл бұрын

There was a lot of "creative liberty" in the first season that I was very upset over. They changed the tone of scenes for no purpose, no drive in the story...it was just to make people uncomfortable.

@thespankmyfrank

Жыл бұрын

@@aviation_queen I honestly don't find TOO much tone change in the first season compared to the book... I remember enjoying it and noting that certain changes were understandable because TV isn't literature, and it will be different no matter what. But the rest of the show just went downhill quick.

I think most of those events could have been avoided with just a little bit more budget on special effects. The waterboarding, the baby, carrying the young actor or the dead man, or using practical effects. Realism is not an excuse.

@tarsierontherun

Жыл бұрын

GoT had practically infinite budget. DnD are just a pair of psychopaths.

@renatocontrerasflores294

Жыл бұрын

And with more experienced people at the reins.

@Tyler_W

Жыл бұрын

Not even that, most of it could've been done with more clever camera work and editing. The waterboarding scene is a perfect example of this.

@caitlin4598

Жыл бұрын

@@Tyler_W Yeah, someone else said to have a shot where a little bit of wine falls on unella's face, and then hard cut to cersei as she pours the rest of the carafe. Easy. Or just have cersei in shot the whole time, pouring while the unella actress cries out or something. I know nothing about film so I'm sure there are some really convincing ways to do it

@axeldeparolis1876

Жыл бұрын

HBO has told them they would provide budget for seasons to continue and for everything they would need, Dumb and dumber simply refused because they wanted to finish the show.

This just makes the final season even worse. Not only is it an insult to all the hard work that lead up to that point, but it spits in the face of the many injuries and sacrifices made in the name of building toward and creating that monstrosity. Imagine knowing that your back injury, facial burns, testicular torsion, brain embolism, LITERAL TORTURE, and more would lead up to such a stinker of an ending that the show lost all cultural influence and momentum.

It’s kinda funny how the writers of the book thought it was going to be a fun little look into the background of the filming of the show but it ended up being a massive expose on the terrible working conditions throughout

I didnt think I could dislike D&D even more...

Wow. The things that happened in lotr, Sean stepping on glass, Viggo breaking his toe and deflecting a dangerous blade were all accidents. Accidents, that is the key word here. The shooting was safe but alas sometimes unforseen things happen. Those scenes were in the movie because the actors turned it into a great performance (and by that I mean Viggo). This is completely different. This is the result of an unsafe working environment for the actors which is insane. The fact that they let people playing zombies fall down and risk injury is baffling when CGI should have obviously been used, not that anyone would notice it since it was so dark. I remember back in season 1 when I heard that when Tywin cut up the deer in front of Jaimie they were actually in an outside field and it was 10 degrees. He laughed at the fact that they could have just filmed it in a warm studio. At the time I thought it was funny and also cool that they were dedicated to authenticity even if the audience would never know the difference. Now I know that it just mean that D&D never cared about the safety and comfort of the actors.

Stories like these are precisely why actor's unions have to be so strong.

@laughsatchungus1461

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind they get paid literal millions per episode. There shouldve been more precautions but unions? Bit of a stretch imo

Damn no wonder it had some pretty good acting. These people were legit worried about dying

@slipkn0tic

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao RIGHT

I think it’s pretty notable to point out that the horse heart that Emilia ate (actually ate in real life) was made of gelatin and colored to look like a heart using Red 40, which is very well-known to be the worst of all the dyes for your health, specifically your brain health. I’m not saying that having been forced to eat that contributed heavily to her brain issues…… but it certainly didn’t help.

@aratheroddpumpkin

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't she forced to eat several of them too?

@MrAchsas

Жыл бұрын

what the actual fk man

@thesmashfloydian

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never heard of any known link between red 40 and brain aneurysms. The only known possible brain effect is hyperactivity in kids, and that’s inconclusive. It’s not proven to be dangerous, but it’s also not the only dye with health concerns or the “well-known worst” one. So this comment’s just wrong on all counts lol, but of course it’s KZread and the commenter sounds sure of themselves, so of course it’s highly upvoted

@MrAchsas

Жыл бұрын

@@thesmashfloydian and your knowledge base is "never heard of it" So like why assume then that the commentor doesnt know what hes talking about?

@thesmashfloydian

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAchsas because they said "it's very well-known" and I've looked into it before and looked into it again before writing the comment

Poor Hannah Waddingham. She deserves so much better. There's literally no excuse for that kind of treatment of a performer on set.

@sss1029

9 ай бұрын

Cool it with your antisemitism

I bet George to D&D was like "I know I write alot fucked up shit in my books, but I don't want fucked up shit happening to the actors"

It's sad that it's thought that actors can give a good performance only when pushed to their limits. Surely there is a better way to, I dunno, treat them like a human???? Especially the Hannah Waddingham thing was so sad

I love how the bit about the original director for "Blackwater" quitting is accompanied by clips of Joffrey ditching the actual battle. Also, probably not a full-blown "horror story", but apparently Kit hit Iwan Rheon (Ramsay's actor) for real by accident during the beatdown scene in "Battle of the Bastards". He bought him a beer to make up for it though. ;)

A lot of these are from the last few seasons, which just shows that producers shouldn’t get this much control over a show, no matter how much their first couple of seasons were received. I’m not blaming D&D for all of the injuries and such, but it definitely feels like they half-assed not just the writing but production safety as well.

This is a travesty. And to think that they went through all that hardship just for the S08Ep03 to be considered a joke is all the more sad for them.

@TheGuiltsOfUs

Жыл бұрын

lul

I had no idea that they actually did this stuff like actually. Riding jittery horses on the edge of cliffs and actually having the actors kicking each other to the point bones break. I thought it was all smoke, mirrors and CGI. Also. Live fire on set? The fuck?

@cameronlamb153

Жыл бұрын

Lots of movies use live fire on set. The more special effects you have to use the worse the shot looks. It's essentially a known fact. Although some of the things on the list should have definitely been avoided, sometimes the best way to create realism is to record the real thing.

@laughsatchungus1461

Жыл бұрын

Live fire on set is honestly pretty normal for tv and movies as fire in CGI looks awful

The craziest thing about the Davos prank to me is he is Married, like the guy has a wife at home with his kids. Just seems like adding something stupid to make the guy seem like a scumbag for no reason.

@thepanpiper7715

Жыл бұрын

"Well, Davos kinda forgot about the iron fee - I mean, his wife."

None of the actors will see this, but I hope they know their performances were phenomenal. It's not their fault that once the original source material ran out they were left with 2 unskilled writers with ego's too big to bring in real creative writing talent. The actors, animators, stunt doubles... literally everyone that worked on this show other than D&D had amazing talent, and they deserved so much better than what they got.

What’s sad is you can tell these actors loved the characters and show just as much as we did. You just don’t ever see actors criticize something they are working on, ever. Unless they are massive stars. I honestly feel bad for them.

My fav part of season 8 behind the scenes was that one poor guy who spent all day and night putting snow on a field. Only for the director to say we are not going to shoot that scene today.

I usually don't say this, but after watching this I hope D&D never work again.

George RR Martin was actually upset that D&D didn't want the characters in Blackwater to wear helmets. Not just because of the inaccuracy, but because he witnessed an incident on The Twilight Zone where a stuntman lost his nose because the director insisted he keep his visor up.

@thepanpiper7715

Жыл бұрын

Right? Thet's the inspiration for Tyrion's scars, I think?

It make so much sense that the end was on purpose written to anger the most people possible because these 2 writer are not just incompetent people but also evil. They are evil, vein, illbegotten creatures that get a perverse thrill from hurting and torturing people.

I’m suprised nobody has sued D&D because this stuff is insane

Greatest Horror Storry: Beeing in the same room as D&D.

@nocoture

Жыл бұрын

Truly horrific.

I'm really uncomfortable with the baby part. That was absolutely so unnecessary. Also lancel and the bat faeces? That is extremely toxic...literally

This just over-confirms in my mind how bad D&D are at making tv and film. All of this things are issues that I feel a competent producer or show runner would know how to make it simpler and safer.

Fun fact to Michelle Fairely had a throat infection while they shot the red wedding sequence in just a week . She said the arrival at the twins to the Rex wedding was shot in a week . And she was sick and did not get to go to the hospital till later .

It's INSANE that they would do the wine shot more than 2 or 3 times MAX. The scene itself would probably need many takes, like usual, but there is no reason they couldn't have worked around that particular shot.

David and Dan seem to be better executing a story when they have a solid script, such as the books. It's when they lose the firm base of the books and they have to do a lot of writing on their own, they struggle. Especially with only a rough draft of what George R.R. Martin gave them to complete the final seasons, which would be understandably difficuly, they still missed many oppurtunities for writing.

@janellejulianajoy

Жыл бұрын

Bingo. Give them an inch and they took a mile. They had too much freedom to do what they wanted and it showed. The story got away from them and they couldn't get it back on track.

@williamapple7705

Жыл бұрын

Even with the good they didn't portray events the way they probably should have if they wanted the ending to make sense. The endgame for Daenerys was always madness in the show and the books. D&D knew this, so why didn't they adapt Daenerys more accurately to the book where all the things she does aren't seen as inherently positive?

@philipsalama8083

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, they had all the building blocks to make something spectacular - a fantastic cast, world class directors and crews, etc.

@TheGuiltsOfUs

Жыл бұрын

They were revealed to be hacks!

Liam Cunningham is a king. Davos is one of my favorite characters and he plays him so perfectly.

D&D royally fucked this show’s production in more ways than one and it goes to show how absolutely incompetent they really are as show runners.

Just when I thought I couldn't hate David and Dan more

Kit: My right ball got stuck Literally every man in the world: 🗿

The worst part about the Davos situation is that I totally see D&D making it so the reason why Davos is so kind and nice with children is because he is into young women. I mean, considering how they assasinated Jamie’s character.

Seems like a lot of the actors know how they should be written more than the directors.

Emilia Clarke being shocked about her character's ending is what happens when you strip the substance of the original character away in the adaptation. In the books Daenerys becoming a Mad Queen is far more realistic than in the show.

@co2_os

Жыл бұрын

I find it hard to believe that she didn't see it coming, the execution was so horrible, but we all knew it was coming, or at least a possibility.

So their inexperience, incompetence and arrogance did not just hurt our petty emotions and feeling but literally caused the cast to have live long chronic pain and trauma.

@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind

Жыл бұрын

Check out what the original Daenerys from the failed pilot TAMZIN MERCHANT about her experience on the set.. with rapescenes and erect horsepenises she felt incredibly uncomfortable to say the least..

I appreciate the Skyrim music in the background of your video.

the part where christian nairn's back is destroyed you can really see the pain in his face when he takes a knee in the scene

@BadHattie

Жыл бұрын

Even in his current show, Our Flag Means Death, many scenes end up having him sitting or leaning because of his back injury.

Emilia Clarke is seriously amazing. I can't think about the fear and pain she went trough and yet she kept at it.

Just earned a sub. Awesome video dude. I’m glad you are one of the only people to put the video that you use in the thumbnail first. You also grasped the concept on how to keep the viewers attention but having a break in these long stories with this little ones. You also give your own opinions and commentary at very convenient times. Good on you made keep up the good work!

I’m convinced D&D are cruel sadistic writers

The background music never misses here. Skyrim, Witcher 3... beautiful

thanks because of this I hate D&D even more now, they really push the actors and the crew so hard in exchange for bad writing on season 8! respect to the actors and the crew who endured a sufferings

I would be genuinely stoked to see you do more videos about *behind the scenes* of GoT! Not necessarily solely about injuries…just interesting stories!

Remember set stories like this from Lord of the Rings. Apparently the battle of Helms Deep was known as Hells Deep among the crew and stunt people. It's insane that the industry still treats people like this. Workplace safety is important, no matter if you're in an office or riding on an animatronic dragon.

@sitcomchristian6886

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Two things though. One, adults are capable of agreeing to uncomfortable conditions, children (like the baby on ice) are not. Two, at least Helm's Deep is an incredible battle scene. It paid off. The Battle of Winterfell did not.

@simonjohansson248

Жыл бұрын

@@sitcomchristian6886 When you're employed by a large studio and may not have a strong union backing you, you may not have no choice but to either suck it up or walk away which might mean that you loose a job you perhaps really needed. Also, it doesn't matter how good the scene becomes. It's about work safety, the entertaiment value is irrelevant.

Producers can often be the absolute scum of the Earth and the bane of the industry. I had a producer shut me in a meat freezer for a commercial. He wanted me to actually be shivering instead of, you know, just act like I was cold which I did for the fucking audition that got me the role. Thankfully the assistant director quickly let me out of the freezer. There was no handle on the inside. The producer also wound up leaving about 10 minutes later. To this day I don't know if he told anyone that I was in there. I could have died. Speaking of people who died from producer's negligence, Helena Hutchinson. She was an incredible person with a deliciously dark sense of humor and an absolute love and Passion for the craft of cinematography. The executive producer of rust was aware that 2 live rounds had flown out of one of the guns 6 days prior to her being shot dead. The executive producer was also the lead actor and the only 1 in a position of unassailable authority. The director did not have enough credit's, Helena did not have enough credits no it's no 1 had the clout to avoid career suicide by speaking up. Only Alec Baldwin had the clout. He was executive producer. Her blood is on his hands.

The cast of actors and staff are truly amazing a deserved so much more than what D&D gave them. I hope they're all doing well now.

Just wanted to say i appreciate you covering your thumbnail as the first example as opposed to other list videos which feature the thumbnail either at the end or not at all. Thank you

I was already delighted with a video of yours that I watched earlier. But putting the thumbnail video first was lovely, so I’m subscribing. Thanks

Conleth is one of my favorite actors of all time, and it's completely criminal what they did to Varys.

Yess! Another banger by Supercut Delight! Edit: yes, it was great! Thank you

Honestly, knowing all of this is a gentle reminder that D&D aren't only incompetant: they are outrageously dangerous. The rest of the staff seemed pretty serious and top notch professional, though... That shows it all. A good show is made by the littlest hands

love the vid, especially with Skellige bangers in the background

Honestly I cannot understand how two idiots like D&D were in charge of this show and were getting praise for it. GRRM was saving their asses the whole time until S6 and then the lack of source material exposed D&D as frauds. They rushed and ruined one of the best TV shows of all time (giving us one of the worst endings of all time) only to go to Star Wars and they ended losing the job. Poetic justice.

D&D are hella weird for this shit I swear any chance they had at being weird or creepy for no reason they did it. I haven't read the books but I'm pretty sure the Ramsay scene with Sansa was forced in like why? And they wanted to add another one in too at some point you have to question them, very glad HOTD has a better crew actually making the show

@joeyjerry1586

Жыл бұрын

If you want to know: in the books, Jeyne Poole (a friend of Sansa who was only mentioned in S1) was meant to married Ramsay (more like Arya was meant to marry Ramsay but they didn’t know Jeyne was not Arya) and while we don’t see Ramsay violently assaulting Jeyne, Ramsay does order Theon to strip Jeyne down and for lack of a better word get her excited. It’s still really uncomfortable but doesn’t feel forced

@BlueSkullFish

Жыл бұрын

@@joeyjerry1586 also it’s less torture porn in the books. Much more exploration of the psychological ramifications of the torture on Theon and Jane than just showing us torture. Like the show lingers on Ramsey’s cruelty to Sansa in a way that makes me extremely uncomfortable, like the show runners were a little too enthusiastic about all the awful things they do to Sansa.

@joeyjerry1586

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueSkullFish, personally I never felt uncomfortable but the issue is the show had to focus on Sansa and Theon’s character growth whereas the book only had to focus on Theon since Jeyne was just a side character so it allowed more time to see the psychological impacts of everything Theon went through. In the show, focus had to be given on Sansa as well, whose arc was really ruined that season and I found it disgusting that she just recovers from it so quickly in S6

@mappingshaman5280

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueSkullFish well in the books ramsay forces jeyne to fuck dogs

@EmBlanca

Жыл бұрын

In the books Jeyne Poole Sansas bff goes through all the stuff with Ramsay. Jeyne is very much a side character and her whole plot is essentially to just show how evil Ramsay is and how that treatment affects a person. I think it was a really disgusting decision to have Sansa brought down to that level.

Dang, kudos for you for putting the thumbnail thing at the beginning, was expecting to have to wait for that.

It would definitely be interesting if you did some vids on John Wick especially since the fourth movie is coming soon. Great video! I absolutely love your Game of Thrones vids.

The fact that Daenerys is pretty clearly going towards a madness arc in the books but people didn't see it coming in the show is a pretty big indictment on DnD's capabilities as showrunners. Like, the Bells was always going to happen. So why was Daenerys always shown in a positive light throughout the show up until Mid-Season 7? Every questionably bad thing she did prior to that she was praised for or shown to be right, even when she logically was wrong.

@madassassin5465

Жыл бұрын

Her standing alone on top of a pyramid with ominous music playing while the screams of slavers played in the background.

@williamapple7705

Жыл бұрын

@@madassassin5465 Yeah and the prevailing sentiment around moments like that was "Yes! She's liberating people, kill those slavers!" when it should be "Wow she's going pretty extreme in how she's killing people like that, like she's killing slavers but that's pretty messed up and she doesn't see anything wrong with it."

@madassassin5465

Жыл бұрын

@@williamapple7705 Yeah and I would lay that at the feet of the people watching it. I've had arguments with people who genuinely believe that Daenerys killing 12 year old slaver children in Astapor was a good thing.

This was interesting to watch & I’ll have to pick up that book at some point.

So Liam Cunningham did the Ser Davos thing and stood up for the right thing. Kudos to him, Seaworth was one of my favourite characters mainly due to Cunningham's portrayal.

Ew the part about the baby is nasty wtf

2:34 It's not partially his fault, rather it's not his fault at all. This whole situation is about power dynamics and the lack of agency or choice in being able to say no without any repercussions. It's called a toxic work environment with 0 labor rights. When we have no unions to help us stand up and say no, this is the end result. 1000% D&D's fault, don't ever make excuses for employers' shitty behaviors b/c they'll take advantage of you the worker, emotionally gaslight, or guilt trip you.

D&D were hacks all along, made to look brilliant by the brilliant source material. The moment they went away from it (season 5) it all began to fall apart.

I have that book! I got it for Christmas. The story that stood out to me the most was Kit Harington and Rose Leslie falling in love on set. But that's probably because Ygritte and Jon are my favorite characters but... I just think it's really neat :)

Wow David and Dan really are shitty people. I thought they were just shitty writers. Good on Liam for sticking up for himself to them. I honestly just feel so bad for Emilia though, those two hacks did her so dirty