I have a set of NR90's and a set of Roka 5x80's, the Wizards feel heavier in the hand but I honestly can't tell any difference when riding them, both very solid products. Can't wait to see your progression on 5 wheels, everything feels that slight bit easier!

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’ve heard! I’m excited about stepping down from 80 to 100. 100 feels a bit clunky and hard to navigate when trying some things

I fully agree with what you’re saying. I don’t have UFS boot. The feeling of skating on the Twister Edge X with the YoYo Sago 4x90 rocker frame is absolutely amazing. Additionally, I bought the Endless 4x100 trinity version and plan to test it out next week. In my opinion, there’s no such thing as a bad frame, just different ones, and having a choice is wonderful. Regards

Great review, thanks very much. I've had my eye on these for a while. I just bought some Shadows and I think i'd like to try the Rokas on those.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

They work surprisingly well on Them skates. I didn't think there would be enough support but they're holding up well.

@Stoitism

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading Good to know. I'd be interested to see how you get on with the 5 wheel setup too if you get to try them. They have a number of options available there. The 5 wheel setups seem more appealing to me for some reason but I couldnt say exactly why haha.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stoitism I’ve got the 5x80. I’m going to try those next.

Yeah man, it’s fuckin great to see you enjoying wizard moves, there’s so much to do with these setups! I hope you’ll post more stuff

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

I have been studying it non stop like a lunatic for all of this year. I’m definitely going to keep doing it

@marcograndotto6615

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading I totally feel you. I’m at a point where I think about new moves and things all the damn day. Also, I agree with everything you said. I’m a long time aggressive skater too, and it’s true that skating these wizard(ish) frames you discover your weaknesses. You have to learn everything aggressive skate forgive you not doing right. The feeling you get just doing lion and gazelles, for the first times especially, is incredible. Also, going back to aggressive, you just can’t let go the wiz stuff and you end up mixing things. For me discovering wizard skating was a second life as a rollerblader.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcograndotto6615 yup. I find myself trying Wizard stuff on aggro all the time

Got a hold of the 90mm ones a couple of weeks ago, based from hearing about the brand from your last upload on them. I stuck them on the m12s I have but they don't have enough support, so I got a pair of the FR Anthony Pottiers and the difference with support is incredible. You're completely right about the addictiveness of learning the new tricks coming from aggressive. Great video, looking forward to seeing how you get on with the 5 wheels, I went for 4 for the same reason you did

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Roces plastic is too soft for such a high frame. I’m so addicted to them now. I use them instead of my aggro setup every second session

@allymalcolm6769

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading can't wait till there is more good weather to get down these ayrshire shore fronts on them!

Commenting for algo. Watching now. 🧡

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

Ha! Has your shirt arrived yet? I ordered some stuff from Anew a couple of weeks ago and I'm still waiting, so I am guessing not.

@iRollerboot

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading not yet. The anticipation is killing me!! 😄😄😄

You're definitely right about just giving it a go with what is accessible. I got some K2 4x100 frames and put them on my FR UFR boots that came with the Intuition liners. For me, that's more than enough support to give it a good bash without dropping a grand on some skates. I have found that it has done a lot for making me experiment more in the park on my small wheels. Also made me switch to flat over anti for a lot of things. I think at some point I will be picking up some Roka frames, they look quality and the price point is spot on.

If one can get hold of the Seba CJ/SX plastic versions (either the ones with the removable liner or the integrated liner) then they are considerably cheaper than Them's and quite a bit better performing as well. They actually feel quite close to how the carbon CJ/SX are but more forgiving and for like £200ish. A pair of those with Roka's is a really decent price for the performance you get (I mean, Leon Basin himself skates the plastic version). If available it's a far better option than the more expensive Them's (if one wanted a dedicated set up, of course).

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

I got the 909 second hand so I only paid 100! Haha

@ThatShaunBoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading incredible deal! 👏

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatShaunBoy I have managed to get a gutted pair of carbon Seba CJ but the toe box is a lot shallower than Them and I definitely find the Them shell more suited to my foot shape. Currently having to use the Seba with no foot bed just to make my feet fit

@ThatShaunBoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading the plastics CJs are far more forgiving. They have a deeper and slightly wider toe box. I've just moved from the plastics to the carbons and despite being more or less the same length they are certainly narrower and shallower. Took a few sessions to break in

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatShaunBoy finding either in a 44 is like gold dust right now. Going to try and break in the carbons but the toe is definitely uncomfortable

I've had the NR100's for a few years now and I love them, they're my go to setup for pretty much everything and they do feel indestructible, the quality is awesome, but I bought mine at a time I could reasonably afford them, and I got a good deal on the whole wizard setup with SX2 boot and intuitions etc. I would have no problem at all trying a cheaper version, like, I'd like to try a five wheel setup, but I'm not sure how I'll take to it, how it'll feel, and I'm aware you need super smooth surfaces for them to come into their own, but sure I'd like to try that some time, so buying 5x76 or 5x80 frames at a cheaper price point makes total sense, and I see no quality issues with any of these alternatives. I also have the endless 90/110 frames on an fr1 setup, it's great to have all these options to be honest. I tend to shop online at locoskates and they have the Roka frames, but I also hear good things about the quality of the "rockin" frames in terms of solidity, and there are many more choices out there like NN, a-plus blade, Sago etc. For anyone interested in this type of skating, any of those look like decent options. Nice review, nice skating too! 👌🏼

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’m wondering how the five wheel will compare to four on less than ideal surfaces

@Johro66

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading less than ideal surfaces is mainly what I get to skate on!

@nineeleven1911

Жыл бұрын

i have the same set up endless 90 on FR1 and i'm in love with it, i want to get a pair of nr 100 for my cj boot, do you think it's worth it are they really give a different expereince or is it the same thing just on bigger wheels ?

Just because they’re not Wizard frames doesn’t mean they’re not fit for sorcery! 🤣

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Hey great video. I'm on 4x80 rockered, but want more city travel wizard. I tried 4x90, but not that much different, so thinking of 4x100 or 5x80 with slight rocker. Can you share your take on which might be better? Thanks very much.

@wheelsceneblading

10 ай бұрын

I liked the 4x100 the best personally

pleaseee do 5x80 review!! i love the videooooo

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

Just waiting on wheels and then that’s the next experiment

I know it's flat, but if you follow up with a comparisons video, can you please talk about the Kaltik Baats. I'm especially interested in the differences in quality and construction. Considering it for my beggar's setup. Hard to beat €99 complete (shipping included 😮). It's worth rockering via wheel wear.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve already reviewed the Kaltik Baats. It’s on this channel

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

The metal on the Kaltik is much thinner and has no rocker so it’s a completely different frame.

@uu3903

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading I watched your Baats review when published. Hearing that they're thinner metal is exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks.

How did you find the Them's to try wizard stuff in?

You could probably commission an engineering shop to make you a set of frames ( if you have all the specs ) for less than actual wizard frames, I'd be interested to see if any engineers out there could make some rudimentary frame setup for a reasonable price Edit: when I worked in a machine shop, I made a full working acoustic guitar fully from stainless Steel and aluminium from my own plans but I'm out of that trade now

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

You probably could but I imagine it would be trial and error, which Wizard have already gone through in order to perfect their product, so in essence you’re paying for their research.

@j4nk3n

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading but what if lets say, you find another alternative and make all your measurements open source, I can't imagine making a 3 sided shape is rocket science

Love the review :) how you rotate wheels? can you share!

@wheelsceneblading

Жыл бұрын

There’s a chart for rotating inline skate wheels online skating.thierstein.net/Knowledge/Inline_Skating_Rollerblading_Information_Wheel_rotation.html

@luislima8798

Жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading Nice stuff! thank you

Hi, do they come with both bearings and spacers?

@wheelsceneblading

Жыл бұрын

No

So why don’t they make a plastic wizard frame? I don’t know anything about it, but whats stopping someone from doing a plastic rocker frame that can have the different wheel sizes? Is it a stability issue?

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

Plastic doesn’t have as good energy transfer as plastic, so it won’t be as fast or as responsive. Metal also lasts considerably longer, so you could buy one set of frames and it could easily last for years

@uu3903

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a Wizard type frame but the Kizer Flux is a very interesting and beefy plastic Trinity frame with adjustable rocker for every wheel position. Dramatic slalom type rockering. 4x90 or 3x100. Heel area wings for pseudo soul sliding if you're brave. If you mix 90 and 84mm wheels you can achieve a very subtle ~1mm (maybe less) rocker.

To have high end to low end products that are in the same realm is the only way to further the reach of the sport. I know very few guys that can buy wizard frames so it’s good there are more options.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

I agree but it wouldn’t say these are even low end. They definitely done seem lacking in quality, there just cheaper

@andrewwinkelmeyer6503

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading I meant low end price point, not quality. I should have said price point. It does make it seem like I was calling it a cheaply made product. Not my intention.

Rok ING the optimo espacio too. tidy

You may have just talked me into not selling my NR100s. Suppose I better find a good boot for them!

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve started skating both and I think they’re both great frames. If there is a difference, it’s minimal

@rollforever_85

2 жыл бұрын

I just didn't feel interested in skating any 4x100 frame.. but think I'll give them another chance.

@RMokayy

Жыл бұрын

@@rollforever_85 this is how I feel after using my IQONS with 5 wheels, the amount of rocker points is just nice, this is coming from NR100 which I thought was pretty maneuverable already

Just get your cheap hardshell skates and put any frame on them. That is the cheapest option. Frame length and wheel diameter is most important. The rockering will come by itself with some wear on the wheels. Just swap the middle two wheels around if the pivot is too far to the front or back. These rockered frames are great though, if you want to have the best experience right out of the box.

I recently purchased the Wizard Carbon Skate & Wizard Intuition Liners with Advanced Frames and 10 wheels, which I love. The whole setup cost over $1,300 U.S dollars. It's very expensive investment and cost-prohibitive for many if not most skaters. As a result, many skaters who might be interested in Wizard skating are priced out from even trying it, which is unfortunate. It's great that other brands are now producing rockered frames to allow for "wizard" style skating at a more affordable price point. In-line skating, especially aggressive skating, is already an expensive endeavor and Wizard skating is even more so...

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

It is worth considering that Wizard skating could actually be cheaper in the long term than aggressive because the products can last longer. A Wizard, or alternative brand, frame can last for years while an aggressive frame has a much shorter lifespan because of grinds

Succinctly put, wizard frames are priced such that they are a massive barrier to entry.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

I understand the pricing - they make small batches and they use good materials. I definitely intend to purchase a set in the future, I just didn’t want to spend that much money until I was sure it was something I would enjoy

@longtermsquatter

2 жыл бұрын

@@wheelsceneblading don't fall for the branding, save your money. It's not like a metal block with holes cut out is going to be any more capable than another

@uu3903

2 жыл бұрын

I think Leon is specifically targeting the premium end of the market and seems largely ok with other brands making cheaper copies. Listen to his interview on the Jump Street podcast if interested.

@wheelsceneblading

2 жыл бұрын

@@uu3903 I have and I would agree

Skating for a year at the end of June ( am 60) and just got a 576 Rockin frames and 4100 Roka frames, been focused first on the 576, thanks for the review looking forward to your comparison.👍😊😎😎🕺🛼