Just bought another Pan 11 after a ten year gap, i cant say ive ever come across a bike you can travel so far on in comfort at high speed, yet they are narrow enough across the panniers to filter which as said here are deep enough to hold a full sized lid. I did 30K a year on my last one and 600 mile a day unreal!

thank you, great indepth review, exactly the type of pan video I was looking for, would love to get one of these, just hope there is one in my price range in a few weeks.

I've had both the 1100 and the 1300. The 1100 was a great bike. The only fault I have with the 1300 is the fueling, otherwise it seems to do everything a little better. Honda might have been trying too hard to justify the update to the 1300. The 1100 with more cc's and an electric windshield would have been just as nice.

What an excellent comparison/review. Thank you.

Bought a pan 1100 a months ago, a 2002 so right at the end of the run. what a brilliant bike. really loving it and so is the misses. she finds that most of the time she doesnt need to hold at all. because of the topbox. Im also finding it super comfy and it pulls from tick over really smooth and most of the time you dont need to go over 4000 revs because of the low end torque. we have allready cover 2000 miles on it

@RoadcraftNottingham

10 ай бұрын

Always good to meet a fellow fan. Still have mine.

I have a 1990 st1100 with 82k. I absolutely adore it! I use it probably on average 4 times a week all year round.

I currently own two ST1100's, a 99 abs/tcs model and an 02 standard model which is featured on you tube, both are very well maintained with no issues, these bike do require in depth maintainance, for instance when the rear tyre is replaced you must also replace the three "O" rings on the drive shaft wheel assembly, the carbs are very easy to Balance, and the timing belt is easy to replace, the electrics can be an issue if not greased up, the cooling system is not the best and this shows on past Police bike models by that I mean the bikes do not like being left ticking over with the cooling fan cutting in and out, as eventually the heat will weaken the block casting and will eventually crack at the point of the casting mark where the 10mm coolant drain bolt is located on the right, I talk from experience on the matter, I have however added a manual switch in situ to overide the standard cooling system fan, with also the removal of the thermostats centre piece, this prevents running hot and gives extended engine life.. and yes there other issues which have been mentioned in other posts, but if you keep ontop of them they are not an issue, oil is changed every 4 thou religously with filter change every 8 thou using FS 5w40, also swing arms are protected with rubber matting hanging down in front of the rear wheel which are painted every so often so no corrosion problems there.. I use these bikes for Long distance dispatching and they do exactly what they say on the tin, believe me I've had a few bikes which have not seen a season working - this includes a couple of BMW's, the Honda ST's are by far the best for anthing you throw at them and will last as well.

@RoadcraftNottingham

8 жыл бұрын

+Gas Motorcycle Couriers Sheffield Very interesting post. Thanks

@contactinspect

5 жыл бұрын

nice essay i did not read.

I bought my '96 ST1100 in 2003 with 7,000 miles on it and am still riding it. Great bike! I get 50 MPG and the thing runs like a top. Honda really did a nice job on that bike.

Nice reminding bikers to thank considerate drivers. I always appreciate any kind of careful driving when I see it and am careful to thank as best I can.

I've been trying to buy one of these bikes for ages good examples seem to have such high Mileage and some over priced Really enjoy your reviews very balanced

100% agree with most of your comments, had both, much more happy with the 1100 and I can't really find enough power on the 1300. 😱

Thank you. The mic at the time was the one built in to the wire. If you look at my "cameras I use" upload, you'll see it. It's such a shame they don't still make the 1100. I drove a 4x4 in L.A and soon got used to driving on the other side. I especially like the yeild law, red light, right turns, great idea.

I actually just bought my first ST1100 to replace a Kawasaki Concours 1000 that I dropped in the wet. So far I absolutely love it. Comfortable, fast, handles wonderfully, tonnes of luggage space. Classic Honda odd looks, but what an engine.

Thanks for uploading! A few things: having owned many 1100's, and a few 1300's, I'd say the comfort on the 13 was better for me, with the adjustable seat (and electric screen). I suit the narrow seat better as I'm short, and found the 1100 much too tall and wide, and too firm. The older 1100's get expensive to maintain, with exhausts and swing arms (as you stated), plus having to clean out the brake pistons every 6 months was a pain. Handling on the 13 was never an issue for me, I'm not sure wh

I bought my ST1100 on 10/10/10 from a small dealer in Ellon Scotland after being off bikes for two years and suffering two non fault accidents in my car. Anyhoo the Pan, wife says " Bikes are like shoes, the older you get the more comfortable they need to be" Took her with me to view the Pan and a week later went to pick it up and ride 90 miles home. Proceeded to commute 21 miles to work thru Scotland's worst winter in 20 yrs From Falkirk to Edinburgh without a hitch, what a bike! love my Pan!

It's amazing how many people who have owned both of these bikes still prefer the 1100. I think Honda should modernise the bodywork, NOTHING else and re-release the 1100 with exactly the same engine. They'd get a lot of sales I'm sure (I'd be among the first in the queue)

Thank you for this review, I have been looking at getting one of these, Or getting a ZZR100 and turning it into a proper tourer instead of a rocket? But i think you've changed my mind? :) I have read reviews and heard what has been said by others (down the pub) I really liked your personal feelings on the st1100. I currently ride an unfaired 600 bandit (mk1 97v) i've owned this for five years and i love it, but it's time to get a big bike and use the Bandit as a commuter and i think it might be the Pan for distance traveling instead :)

The ST1100 is one of the few motorcycles in the world with a phenomenal reputation for satisfying riders, it's smooth, agile, easy to ride and does just about everything you might ask of it. And they do not cost an arm and a leg.

I have had one for a couple of years (an 01), singularly the most uncomfortable bike I have had, I get pins and needles in both hands, got a slightly lower seat, got rid of the plastic casing around the handlebars and moved the handlebars forward a little, still the same buzz especially through my right hand. Having said that, the engine is beautiful, it has had all of the big things that needed to be done with it before I got the thing but it is nickle and diming me to death now, its old, the forks leak even after replacing the seals, it feels tired but so would I after 118,000 miles. I would still give it a 9 out of ten but the riding position kills me, need something far more upright next time round!

Insightful video, I've been looking at large tourers to replace my GSX1400. The wobble issue on the 1300 has been putting me off, so the earlier 1100 might just do the trick.

Dakujem za nezávisle porovnanie, plánujem kúpu 1100 :)

Great story and agreed fully. If I had one wish it would be to be able to buy a new one. I've no idea what will replace this.

Glad you're pleased with your Pan. A one day course would probably be to expensive by the time you've paid travelling expenses. Thanks for your kind offer too. :-)

Seriously tempted by the 1100 if I pass my mod 2 in a couple of weeks. Being reasonably young, the st1100 is much cheaper to insure than the usual bandits/fazers. However given my current bike is a Grom it might be a bit of difference in weight which is a slight worry...and I'm only 5ft8 (!)

@omega19s Welcome back to biking! Still got the K1200 although had a very interested person in yesterday. Think I need to get the bike into the twisty countryside for a full review before it goes. You'll find my one day course very interesting and fun. let me know when you're ready. Russ

So did you take the top box off to try the 1300 again to see if the wobble had gone ? i herd a vop died on one years ago

I'm considering, as a v4 fan, to buy an used one (1100) or a 1300 that seem to me too much expensive for what it gives. I need a travel bike, a pure one. So I have some question for an expert like you, first is: what about wind protection? I heard the 13h is better, but i don't believe that, and this aspect for me is very important. Second, the high speed wobble at what speed comes up? (I don't cruise at 200 km/h!!!). 3rd, Considering to by buy also an Fjr 1300 could you give me some opinions (handling wind protection, seat, passenger) comparing to the Pan 1100. Thank you and greetings from Italy!!!

@Vishnu.Suresh

10 жыл бұрын

loreiaco Check out www.ST-Owners.com and you'll get a lot of your answers there on the forums. Lots of folks use the ST1100s, ST1300s & the FJRs. Pros & Cons for each - but if bleeding edge electronics arent 100% essential (Electronic suspension, etc) the ST1300 is hard to beat for wind protection and comfort, and the ST1100 is hard to beat for absolute value. I picked up my ST1100 for less than $3000. Really an amazing bike for the money. You can also sell it for pretty much the same price... Cheers! Good luck with your bike purchase!

I have had an ST1100 and rode it around Europe for a month, only issue was that the Alternator went. The ST1300 was i thought was a better bike at low speed control and the wobble you mentioned (removal of the panniers and low screen didn't remove it on my bike >70mph) was in the end down to the fork oil viscosity and i got that info from a Honda mech at a bike show while i still had mine, changed it and it worked. I think they need to produce the ST1100 again - plenty of people would buy em!

@colinm1325

Жыл бұрын

Hey caerleon, 1, do you still have the st13, 2, what weight fork oil did u change to "cure" the weave at higher speeds? Thanks for your thoughts.

@caerleon9176

Жыл бұрын

@@colinm1325 It was a while ago and I no longer have the ST, got a R1200RT now. I cannot remember the exact grade, but it was the oil used in the then superbike. The ST13 was selected by Police and killed 5 of them during training due to the wobble, the reputation never recovered. IMHO the bike wasnt even finished in design and testing before it was released, some quality issues with wiring etc, but a comfortable ride.

@colinm1325

Жыл бұрын

@@caerleon9176 Thanks 4 the info. R u njoying the R1200RT?

@caerleon9176

Жыл бұрын

@@colinm1325 It's a good stead, roadholding compared to other bikes is unquestionable. The only thing that lets it down (rant alert) is the price for spare parts and what seems to be quality issues with every model that BMW wont honor or repair, if it was on their cars they jump on it! My 07RT Hexhead has issues with fuel tank/hub carrier failure causing deaths/final drives leaking and catching fire/driveshaft lube not on regular maint or greasing point (So, far cost me £1200 in parts to fix it) and the ABS pumps fail (£200 fix) and various other issues. BMW's quality is heading down hill - I love the bike when it works correctly, but my next bike is going to be a Jap one as I'm sick of constantly having to repair a bike with 57k on it.

@colinm1325

Жыл бұрын

@@caerleon9176 Hey, Caerleon, bugger, but, just yesterday on google news l saw a recall notice for BMW bikes, maybe yours will be in.🤞l have heard that about them. If u hav no joy, maybe a Kwaka ZX14 Concours? 1st things 1st, check out the recall. Good Luck.

a couple of notes. The 1300 had their tyre pressures recommendations increased for the front upto 42 psi, also on the web is discussions about the actual installation of the front axle sequence. The bikes do need to be set up correctly, then ridden in an appropriate manner. Tank slappers can be ridden through dropping your centre of gravity

I love my st1100 to bits, gobbles up the miles with the greatest of ease

Agree with a lot of the things you've said. I've had my ST11 for several years now but haven't ridden it due to seized alternator and due to work it being sat in my storage unit for two years, (rebuilding at present). Recently got an ST13 (done 3K on it) and have to say I'm not impressed. I love the build quality of it, the power and handling in the dry. But in the wet it gives no confidence at all but I'd say that's down to the Pilot Pro 4 tyres which seem to loose pressure quite quickly? Mine weaves over ninety with the huge Honda top box on it or with some weight in the panniers it's scary, the 11 doesn't do that. Deceleration is stepped where the 11 is smooth. As you've said, feels like I'm sat on top of the bike where the 11 you feel part of it. The seat is lovely but then the previous owner had it recovered and a gel insert fitted. Got to be the most comfortable seat I've ever ridden on, rode 408 miles home when I bought it without getting off it. Despite these niggles for me I like the 13, I'm sure I can improve it with some different tyres and suspension set-up? I nearly sold my 11 when I first got it because the steering was lethal, the BT021 on the front had gone a triangular shape profile (too soft on the edges). My tyre dealer who supplies a lot of the local st11 blood bike riders suggested the BT023 so I went with that, what a difference, brilliant tyre on an 11. They spent years getting the 11 right, get the impression they didn't spend long on the 13? Love the video's keep them coming.

Excellent information, thanks for the correction. :-)

Hi Russ. Customer at work offered me his ex police pan yesterday for 1k (hes a rich regular that just wants rid), bringing it down on sat so I can inspect amongst other things the swingarm and exhaust. One question about the dual brake system. Does applying the rear brake apply the front or is it just applying front applies rear. If it is both ways can it be disconnected (thinking for winter). Many thanks. Mark

Do you think it would be possible to pass a mod 1 on a st1100 i heard the uturn could be a issue and manual handling it would be a feat? I love that bike

@RoadcraftNottingham

10 жыл бұрын

I can do a Mod 1 U turn with about a Metre to spare. I might do a Pan 1100 Mod1 demo for the hell of it (not sure if my panniers will wipe the cones out on the swerve though) :-)

I recently returned to biking after 25 years, basically I jumped from a Honda RS250 (2 strokes) 25 years ago to a Yamaha XJS900 25 years later. Lets say in my 5'7" 130lb frame I'm finding the Divy rather challenging for it's seat height and weight, would I find the Pan harder or easier to ride? I have only been riding again for 6 months, reteaching myself, and really appreciate your postings here, they are real wonderful resource, thanks for doing such an excellent job!

Had my ‘95 ST1100 for just over a year now. What a machine. Just love that V4. It’s a brilliant Winter ride. I’ve fitted a slightly higher screen plus heated grips but the rest is as the previous owner left it, totally stock, even the pipes. Temps here in France have just dropped so she’ll be my bike of choice over the next few months. Not bad for 3k. Would love to try a 1300 but all the forums tell me that if you’ve got a good 1100 then stick with it.

@RoadcraftNottingham

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, fantastic machine and much prefer it over the 1300

Glad I found this. I'm buying one off a guy at work. Was just wondering, what was the camera you used to record the video?

I've also owned both, and still run the ST1300, what surprised me was that very strong side winds do not affect it like they did the ST1100. I agree that the ST1100 ws more comfortable.

@emmanuelkusi7212

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, agreed...side winds are really terrifying on the ST1100 !!!!!!!!! Surprised I don't hear more ST1100 owners talking about this issue.......🤔

A Honda, ST 1300 with fresh Dunlops, aftermarket, vented windshield, Sergeant seat, and many many little goodies on it was for sale by the original owner. I only have 28,000 miles on it never dropped, not modified or tampered with Computer, wise, or exhaust system, wise or airbox wise.. it was an 85° day, and, although I really like to think of myself as a good negotiator, I wanted this machine so much because of the pictures and the reputation they have for durability, high, mileage, and comfort. I was already sold. So I took 100% of the asking price cash. so I showed up and got the grand tour description by the original owner. Factory service, manual, extra oil and filters, color, matchedtrunk, heated grips, I was sold. I couldn’t wait to ride it. So I told the guy, I need to take it for a test ride. He said fine. I told him I would be gone at least an hour, maybe two. He lifted the edge/border between a small town and farm country. Hundreds of back road miles around Johnstown Pennsylvania... yes, that Johnstown, the flood Johnstown, that area is beautiful, and lots of mountain roads so I headed out with all my gear on, Kevlar, jeans, Streetbike, boots, deerskin, gloves, leather jacket, full face helmet, like I always wear. I wanted to see what it felt like it with all my normal gear on. Big smile on my face. Wonderful motor, shifted as good as any suzuki… about 10 miles out, I started feeling heat on my shins. At first, I didn’t give it a second thought, but as the heat intensified, I actually pulled over because I thought I was getting sprayed with hot water or an oil leak. But it was heat coming off of the engine and the radiator onto my legs and my crotch… I can put up with little nagging things, but heat is one of the things I will not put up with. I turned around and headed back. I got back to the sellers house and he was in the garage and came out smiling and said wow, that was a quick two hours. The first words out of my mouth were “how can you ride this oven? “ is friendly smile melted away into a face of disappointment. He knew it was a dealbreaker. And the first thing he said was “that’s why it’s for sale “ I have tried the early FJR , The Kawasaki 1400 Concourse, and now the Honda ST 1300. I tried all the three big Japanese sport touring machines. And all three of them were rolling ovens. I ended up buying a Moto Guzzi Norge.. A red one with color matched bags. The cylinders are right there in front of your shins, but that being my fourth moto guzzi since 1979., I knew from experience that they do not put out excessive BTUs.. The Norge I think had somewhere around 90 hp. I know high horsepower motorcycles put out a lot more heat. The Norge was fine. I wrote that thing for 12 years just like my previous three Guzzis, Nothing broke, never left me, stranded, and it took me a long time to sell it, as usual.. most people have never even seen a guzzi.. The whole time I always wished that that ST 1300 didn’t put out so much heat. The only bike I ever owned. It was hotter was a mid1980s Honda 700 saber with the color matched factory option CBX style faring and matching color bags. That was the ball time ball roster of all the machines I have owned over the decades. I could feel the heat coming through my aero stitch suit on 50 degree days.. I only kept that machine for about a month because of the heat issue.. I know Honda North had to deflect the heat away from the rider because I’ve had a GL 1800 Goldwing that you could not feel any heat from that engine, and I commuted on a Honda pacific coast for 24 years, same thing, no heat whatsoever coming off of that engine or radiator onto the rider.. a pity.. I really wanted an ST 1300.. PS I just picked up a 2010 Honda NT 700 V from the original owner with only 7500 miles on it here in 2023. Again, it looks like an ST, but I am not getting any heat from the radiator. I’m glad I waited.

Picking up an st1100 tomorrow and wondered if a custom seat is worth it or standard acceptable for hours in the saddle ?

@RoadcraftNottingham

5 жыл бұрын

Standard is great, custom even better

I have had my 05 ST1300 since new it does have a wobble at high speed but only notice It behind a truck but you do get use to it and is really not a problem at all ! I would never go back to carburetors and timing belts the 1300 is a great bike handling is fantastic for a 730 LB MACHINE AND STILL IS AHEAD OF IT’S TIME! Too bad Honda does not have a clue about what there consumers want! I enjoy the ST1300 even more so then my 1800 GW!

@YTubFan

5 жыл бұрын

I too have a 2014 GL1800 Nav and am hankering for an ST1300 again - written off by a car! My wife is the issue!

You put forward an excellent arguement (although in quite an aggressive manner) and sound very knowledgable too. There may have been a problem with the U.S version of the 11 as I have experienced none of the ill-fitting, uncomfortable, vibrating problems with any of the 4 11's I've owned in the UK. Short on funds? I have a Diavel and a Tuono v4, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree here as we both feel the way we do and can't be convinced otherwise. Thanks anyway and safe riding. Russ

I'm DESPERATELY hoping to get one of these this year, going down to see my local garage see if they can part ex "sam" and get me finance, although I'm expecting to get laughed out the office, you don't know until you try. Thanks for the vid

Thanks. Bear in mind this is only my personal view. Others love the 1300 and you may too. If you get a chance to try one, I'd be interested in what you think.

Thanks Steve. It had nothing to do with the equipment as 2 out of the 3 I had did it too. I think Honda were trying to squirm out of accepting it was them. I personally think it's the wind vortex caused by the fairing slapping the top box at the back (or something lol)

Bad fueling is something that seems to persist on quite a number of bikes unfortunately. I think many people pay it no mind since it's their toy and they just want to go fast, but this just will not do as a daily rider. How do find maintenance and living with the ST1100 nowadays? I'm not concerned abut being fast as I am about effortless power (just as well since I don't fit on supersports at 6'6"). Having some wind protection and shaft drive would be great, since Perth winters are quite woolly and wet.

@RoadcraftNottingham

2 жыл бұрын

Still loving the 1100. I'll do a long term owner's review sometime.

Hi I really do Like the Pan European it looks the perfect bike for me & the Miss's to tow behind our Motorhome. I will be booking my test in the new year having had a 125 for 1.5 years, would you recommend this as a suitable 1st big bike ?

@RoadcraftNottingham

8 жыл бұрын

+Robert Cole Only if you can handle the weight, 330KG full of fuel. Balance is low though and quite easy to ride.

@robntl

8 жыл бұрын

+RoadcraftNottingham Ive read a lot about them & it would mean no rucksack on my back which unbalances me on my short ride to work. I will get me a test ride, Thanks for responding.

@Alan-xy2vb

8 жыл бұрын

+RoadcraftNottingham I don't notice the weight with mine once I'm past about 10 MPH (16 K/h) and most of my riding is two up and add the weight of loaded side cases and top box and sometimes my trailer as well. Coming to a stop in suburban traffic ( a few times a year) gets a little unstable and most times it's both feet down as the bike comes to a stop - benefit of combined brakes on the A model

Also meant to say that I do like the combined braking system, especially on loose surfaces

@TimClynes .....I agree with you. The 1100 was quite soft too but I suppose they aren't sports bikes. I loved the 1300 handling generally and I really could throw that around. I wondered if the weave was caused by the top box and possible vortex wake caused by the sharper fairing making the wind "slap" the box. Keeping the throttle slightly open and dragging the rear brake took it away but it wasn't nice.

What gloves do you ride with? In this video, specifically

I couldn't agree more, but would Honda be able to get it past emission laws via carbs? After all, despite being several years into fuel injection, they still aren't as smooth on fuelling and general delivery, especially around town and under 60mph.

I have owned 3 ST1300's (including my current one), and have never experienced any weave, even two up with full luggage. However, I have never ridden the bike over 100mph even in Germany, and I have heard that this can be an issue at around 110mph. Never been on the 1100 though so was nice to see the comparison

I've had an ST11 standing for months in the UK without a hitch and owned 4 pan 11s without any carb probs (apart from worn needle guides in a 140,000 mile model). As you say, it may be the fuel difference. I just wish they still made new pan 1100s, I would buy one tomorrow.

at what kind of speeds where the wobbles developing on the st1300 ?

I have owned both bikes and I prefer the St1300 it just handles a lot better, no wobbling around broad bends. I took my ST1100 from Hobart to Victoria and followed the coast to Adelaide then road up the centre to Ayers rock up to Tennant Creek over to Mt ISA and back through Emerald back down to Brisbane to Sydney to Melbourne and home. These bikes are reliable and I have no doubt I could have got straight back on and gone to Broome without a problem. They do not like dirt roads and I warn people not to play with fire. The St1300 does not "wobble" what is happening is that in certain wind conditions and atmospheric pressures there is build up of forces on the front screen and its more wind buffeting. It does occasionally happen but not until you are exceeding 130 kpm. I understand it I am not sure how to rectify it, maybe just on the day pull back on the speed. At these speeds air pressure comes into play. The St1300 stock standard has a more comfortable seat. I choose the St1300 there isn't much difference in speed but the St 1300 handles a lot better, The fuel injector system is very jerky I haven't found a way around this problem yet. Yours ; A good assessment!. If you have an ST1100 and your happy with it , keep it! for the extra money on a St1300 I wouldn't bother.

I went to see a guy selling an ST1100. I was upgrading from a CB500, so this would have been far bigger and heavier than what I'd ridden before. Not used to the weight, I ended up dropping it and smashing the wing mirror and screen. I paid the guy for the damage but was scared of the weight of the bike so I didn't buy it. I'm not tall - about 5'6 or 5'7 - and it was a struggle sitting on the bike and reaching the ground. I'm still in love with these bikes and I kind of regret being scared away so easily. What do you think? Are these bikes prohibitively large and heavy for shorter people, or should I have bought it and taught myself to handle it afterwards?

@RoadcraftNottingham

8 жыл бұрын

I'm only 5'8 but slightly longer legs and my instructor at 5'6 is fine with it. It's most important to have correct braking techniques and allow for the extra weight. Consider the Deauville. They're lighter and really nice.

@Alan-xy2vb

8 жыл бұрын

+Conway79 It maybe a heavy bike but you don't notice it above 10 - 15 k?H (6 - 10 MPH). I've had my 99 1100A 10 years next month after having a CX500. I bought mine off a 45 year old lady who owned it five years and it took her that long to realise she was to small for it. The A or ABS model is another 10kg heavier due to all the ABS gear and so far never needed as with the traction control. From 1996 they added Combine brakes to the A model so regardless hand or foot braking you have braking on both wheels though the braking force will be different if you use either foot or hand or both together.

@Pining_for_the_fjords

8 жыл бұрын

+RoadcraftNottingham Thanks. I bought a Deauville 650 and I'm loving it. I think the seat is actually slightly higher on the Deauville and it's not a problem with the right shoes. For now I'm very happy with my choice, but I haven't ruled out getting a Pan later on. I know they're designed as a touring bike, so how do you find it to use every day in traffic and on city roads?

just wanted to know what your viewers thought about the suzuki v-strom 650,thanks.

I suspect Honda's demographics for the 13 targetted a less mature rider hence the lighter steering for better sales. The heavier steering of the 11 favors the more mature/older riders which means less sales. One more thing, the 11 is prone to vapor lock in hot ambients (Mojave) but thats another story. BTW absolutely wonderful video, thank you! I also use a Vio POV on my videos.

Any idea how it compares to fj1300 ? I'm torn between a low mileage pan or a high mileage fjr1300 ....

@RoadcraftNottingham

6 жыл бұрын

Om Alive at last... I'd personally go for the Pan if it's the 11 or fjr if you mean the pan 13

I don't really have opinions on tyres for this. I use Avon 55 and 65 on mine and like them. I'd recommend you call a motorcycle tyre place and ask them what they think. Thanks.

@markgr1nyer Nice to see you looking for your next bike. The Pan IS heavy, nearly 1/4 tonne but is so easy to ride slowly (see my slow riding video) The Deauville is also a great choice and a very smooth V twin (maybe start on the Deauville then work up to the Pan1100,not 1300. lol) I would have a Deauville for instructing if one came up at the right price.

Have you tried the GTR1400 ("Concours" here in the States)? I have been thinking of trading my GTR1000.

On linked braking the rear usually operates one side of the front, best check your manual. Regarding too hot into a bend, there are too many factors to consider..the speed you're going, road surface, road condition, wet or dry, camber, severity of the bend, type of tyres you use,(these are just off the top of my head) If I've gone too hot into a bend I try to sit up, brake on front and drop it down again whilst looking where I want to go (target fixation) Your bike will lean more than you think

@r3tyr3d It depends if older = wiser or if it = losing strength as the pan 11 is a VERY heavy bike and as easy as it is to ride at all speeds, you need to be fully aware of where you stop. i.e road camber, potholes inclines etc. If the bike goes beyond 15 degrees or so lean whilst stationary you'll drop it however strong you are. I love my Pan but am always aware at 5 feet 8 that I'm stuffed if I don't watch it. I hope this helps.

Nice review. Guess I'll keep my 2000 ST1100 and stop looking/considering the ST1300. Weird to see you lane splitting like that with such a wide bike. Like you said, as long as the mirrors fit, the panniers (aka saddlebags) should also fit.

When able to do legal high speed runs two or one up, with/without top box, fully laden or unladed, never had a `high speed wobble` moment folks keep mentioning about. Having changed to using a Bagster seat early on in ownership, I cant comment on comfort over original config. Having height adjustments to work with, I find my set up very comfortable indeed. As for heat issues, rode the hot summers in Italy and didn't have any issues either. May be I've got asbestos legs. Were I to change bikes, it would be to a BMW with a dream to own the 1600. However, I'd probably have to have a windfall to make it happen. I could downsize... now there's a thought

Thanks for the informative video. My local dealer has a 93 ST1100 for $4000.00 US. It has 15,000 miles on it. If I buy it what are the first things I should check mechanically. in your opinion please.

@RoadcraftNottingham

10 жыл бұрын

The exhausts can rust but most importantly, the swing arm underneath can rot at the mounts near the engine. Great mileage. I'd snap it up.

@freddydee270

10 жыл бұрын

Thank You

@Vishnu.Suresh

10 жыл бұрын

4000 is way too expensive :) I've an ST1100 & you can find a well outfitted bike with a lot of bells & whistles for $3000-$3300 ; You can find a lot of info on ST-Owners.com . Fantastic Bike! I own a 1991 Silver version. Cheers.

@freddydee270

10 жыл бұрын

OK thank you.Vishnu

@redline934 The only problem with the 1100 now is the age. The deauville or (dullsville) as some describe it as, is a lovely little bike. I think it's worth getting test ride on one to see what you think.

I bought a 2001 ST1100A this year in showroom condition with 4700 miles! It's a beautiful machine, makes the miles fly by. My bum was very sore on my VFR after 45 minutes. On the ST1100 I can ride for 2 hours without a break. Pillon seat is very good. My only complaint about the ST1100 is that the std windscreen tosses a lot of air at your helmet at speed. So, I always wear earplugs. For a tall guy like myself, the ST1100 has much more legroom than the FJR1300. The ST is a pig in the driveway.

Had both. Still have the 13. Sat on an 1100 yesterday. Could not believe …. I mean it…. How much lighter up top. Fully fueled 1300 is much more too heavy. Not a little. A lot and I’m a big guy. Brilliant weight management. Had. Concours too. Super too heavy vs pan 1100. Kudos for design

My only issue with my 1300 compared to my 1100 is the ungodly heat off the engine. Its a spring and summer bike only.

@hamstercatfish Thanks for the great feedback, I'm only 5 feet 8 and 1/10 so i need to be careful what I buy too. :-)

Correction, on the 1100A from 1996 the foot brake operates outer two pistons of the rear caliper and the centre of each front caliper. The hand brake uses outer two on front calipers and centre of the rear. Most of the braking force on hand brake is on the front wheel and the foot brake is about even all around. You can notice the difference by trying each on it's own. As usual maximum braking happens using both systems. I've never had any issues over the six years I've had my 1100A

Agree fueling on the 11 seems better but the carbs are prone to problems due to extremely tiny orifices on the mid range jets. When storing the bike unused for more than a week, the gas just sits in the bowls and degrades (California fuel) and causes rough running on next run that may not improve. Bowls are very difficult to drain and its a wicked chore to get the carbs off. Fuel degradation doesnt seem to happen on the 13 and overall I think servicing the Fuel injection on the 13 is easier.

Owned an ST1300 from new back in 2006, heavy lump of a bike, fit & finish was great as with all Honda bikes, too wide to filter safely, so may as well have been in a car ... Bike was a death trap, weaved about from what seemed to me like the back end, felt like a sudden tyre deflation, only seemed an issue loaded up with a pillion with screen on highest setting at 80mph plus ... jogged it on via a trade in against a GL1800 in 2008, now that was a proper bike ... had 4 bikes since CBR600F / VFR800Fi / FZS1000, still always fancied an ST1100, may be I'll start looking over the winter mths as used bike prices drop some what... newest you'll find now will be 20yrs old, hopefully I'll find a well loved bike at a decent price.

It looks....massive! lol. Would like a go on one though. Let me know what you think if you get one.

*nice*

The ST1300 fuelling at low speed can be sorted by fitting a Fuel Cut Eliminator. This makes it feel as smooth as the 1100. I agree that a top box and one-up makes the bike start to wobble at speed. The 1300 becomes a much better bike when two-up as it steadies the handling and has distinctly more 'oomph' than the 1100. Handle bar rises are a must for comfort, control and visibility through the rear view mirrors. Not sure why Honda got this so wrong. Custom flatter seat is desirable too.

ive made some dispatcher mods to my 1100 , theres a yss shock so even though its a cheapish shock theres ride height adjustment , so dropped that 10mm , and pulled the forks up through the yokes the same , i also ditched the mirrors (i dont care what my bikes look like lol) shaved 14 inches !!!!!!!! off the bike for filtering , just fitted normal mirrors and put indicators on the inside of the screen (i know ugleeee heheh) also a good upgrade is a front brake master cyl from a blade or firestorm (up from half inch to 5/8 internal bore ) improves bite , and i recommend handlebar risers (you will have to ditch the handlebar shroud ) no need to replace and cables wirng or brake lines , just lose the clamp holding the brakeline to the fork leg , i know these mods are not for everyone , as it really doesent look that good , but my improvements are for my needs , and they have really improved the bike for me , anyways resale value isint an issue for me, when im finished with it , well , itll be well used !!! great bikes , you can tell its built to do a job , and not so much built by the accounting team , mines 1990 , its all them years old , and still does a great job against more modern bikes ,, amazing this bike was developet in the 80's , only things i would change would be the front calipers , and while the weight is hidden well , if it was 50kg lighter , that would be amazing , all the best , dave

@motokrack

6 жыл бұрын

i should point out i lowered it for more footonthegroundness (copyright motokrack) lol , for low speed maneuvers rutted ground, gravel driveways u turns in narrow lanes etc

Thank you for the comparison. I am torn between the ST1100 and VFR800.

@RoadcraftNottingham

4 жыл бұрын

I've also owned a vfr800. Didn't like the fuel injection,centre of gravity or the seat pressing into my private parts. If you can handle the extra weight, go for the Pan.

@davecast3953

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoadcraftNottingham Thanks for your response. There is a beautiful 1995 red ST1100 for sale near me with 49K miles. Going to see it after the pandemic clears. I will be checking the swingarm and exhaust for rust. Thanks for all your tips. I'm informed now.

@RoadcraftNottingham

4 жыл бұрын

@@davecast3953 you're welcome. Search my pan restoration.

+1 on that! Most bikes that have been "upgraded" are failures. I'd love a brand new Pan 11, I bet Honda would sell loads if they had some. .

never liked the steering of my pan 1100 allways oversteered into corners.allways used bridgestone.then tried metzeller on the front and it now steers much better still has bridgestone on the back

I'm a short guy, even with the saddle in the lowest position, I'm tiptoeing when I touch the road with both feet. So yeah, I recognise the "nuts meets tank" thing. I have a plate mounted to lift the handlebars so that I sit a bit more upright. It could use another centimeter or two, but this is adequate. My back is now vertical. I agree the 1300 is a bit binary on the throttle, but it never got me into trouble. Handling is superb, and overall in some 40 years of riding this is my best bike thus far. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c3WmqNCKf6TQY9Y.html

thx a lot mate!do to your videos i sold my dl 1000 v-strom and bought an 1100 st abs 1997 with 82000km from germany.well let me just tell you that after one mounth and 2000km im happy as day first.such a nice ride.This bike will stay in my yard for a few ears definattly(untill il have money for a goldwing)im from Romania and i was wondering how much will cost me to come and get an advanced training from you?ps if youll ever get to Romania Bistrita i would be honored to invite you at my house.

The Fazer thou is hard to beat for sure! I can't understand on the fuel injection subject why bikerchickvids SV650 F.I and my CBR600RR track bike fueling is totally perfect, why can't others make their bikes as good?

I put 154.000 on the 1100 pan, I like your comments, I all so brought a Black Bird, Mental Bike, do hope you ok old chap.

The Pan seems to suit all sizes. 6 foot 6 won't be a problem.

I also owned a ST1100/1300 until some git nicked it! I was interested in the issues with the high speed wobble and heard the story of the solution that they found. It apparently was to do with the viscosity of the fork oil - if you changed it for the type used on the Honda Sportsbikes it solved the problem. Sadly, it got the reputation as the widow maker after 3 Police Officers were killed riding them.Thats why Honda discontinued the ST to remove the shame for what has been a very good tourer.

It's easy to ride, smooth, comfortable, low centre of gravity for slow balance and has prescence on the road

I've had my ST1300 over 140mph 2 up and it held steady as a rock.

@RoadcraftNottingham

5 жыл бұрын

For some reason it wasn't all of them that did this.

@BloodPlusPwn

2 жыл бұрын

@@RoadcraftNottingham From what I understand, the wobbles are pretty much just caused by having the windscreen up and a load on the back. I reckon what happened is when they designed the aerodynamics and whatnot they only really tested with max loads in the panniers and nothing on a rack/sissy bar (and most likely with the windscreen down). For my own experience, the bike pulls well up to 140mph as Stuart said and has no issues with the windscreen down and no/light load (just some junk in the bags). I recently went motocamping though and it was unstable as hell with my equipment on it at 70+mph. I originally thought I was losing traction with the rear tire, it was odd. As if the wobble was a rear wheel wobble and not a front wheel wobble like you see with tank slappers. It didn't feel particularly dangerous, just... loose haha Anyway, just my experience thus far for a 2 year old comment on a 10 year old video lol.

I had the ST1100 TCS/ABS/CBS model and now i have the ST1300, I don't use top boxes and cannot relate to any wobble at high speeds, the 1100 is smooth and great for long rides, the 1300 is a much more interesting ride, i don't put the windshield bubble up too at any speed, in any case keep your knees on the tank or dug into the fairing if you're wearing knee guards, Guys there isn't any point arguing as both are great bikes and on a last note, enjoy the rides.

I think the 13 handles better/quicker but weave/wobble is a consequence of the lighter steering. I like the heavy lazy steering feel on the 11, me thinks thats what makes it more stable at high speeds. I notice I feel better on the 11 if I excercise and build up my wrist and arm muscles before riding it. Then the heavy steering becomes insignificant.

The weight in a fuel tank isn't nonsense on these bikes, I have a private pilot's licence and in a Piper warrior I noticed the weight and balance or feel difference with the battery in the nose of one and behind the seat of another.Also, I've found time and time again that figures on paper cannot compete with how a bike "feels"when ridden and after owning and trying 3 pan 13s(yes, I gave it that much chance) I can say I will never buy one. (and keeping up is more about the rider,not the bike)

I had an 1100 for four years and loved it, bought a vfr800vtec, shit, what did i do, then had two 1300 pans, didnt like them as much as the 1100. Honda bring the 1100 back please.

@brocky78

4 жыл бұрын

They Will don't you worry!

Honda certainly screwed up the VFR800, too. the gear driven engined one was way better than the Vtec. if only Honda had kept the gear driven engine in the Vtec chassis, that would have been brilliant. One guy on the Isle of Man fitted a gear driven engine into a Vtec chassis and told honda, they didnt want to know, Shame, if only the big companies would listen to the riders, we might get the bikes we want and they would sell more. cheers Robert

@AccurateShooter I agree with a,ll your observations there. You learn to be careful pushing it around don't you? lol

Thinking of getting an 1100 Pan myself, but am worried I'll find myself in the same position as I have down twice before.... Going back to an FZS1000 Fazer. I had a Fazer Thou from 2001 to 2004, then swapped it for an FJR1300, which, whilst nippy for that sort of bike, was even LESS comfortable than the Fazer and NO WAY anyway near the Pan's comfort level. So, after 15 months I changed back and kept the Fazer for 4 years this time, only to try a CB1300 for 15 months and then back to... :-)

@TimClynes Look at the MCN report about police taking their Pan 1300s off the road due ot the wobble. I'm not the only one to experience this. And there are four different people I know who come into my shop who all agree with the 1100 to 1300 comparison. Thanks for your opinion (apart from the naive bit) :-)

I've got a 94 St and it's great 54,000

@1cheshire

5 жыл бұрын

Runs great my last bike was a gsxr 1000 k3 so it's a lot different 😂

Well done video and review--thank you. What kind of communications system did you use to record the audio for this video? To my mind, the sound is extraordinarily clear. I'm fond of my '94 ST1100, which I've enjoyed on several long trips here in North America. I've owned it for nearly four years. By the way, the cognitive dissonance of seeing a motorcycle driving on the left-hand side takes a while to overcome, even just watching a video,