So quick update: just replaced the china belt with a Bando (OEM), cleaned everything inside, polished the variator and drive face surfaces in my mini lathe and did the initialization procedure again, it seems it's fully ok now. The metallic screeching was the little metal tab holding the variator in place, it was bent a bit and hit the backside of it, easy fix.

@jgeusebroek

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update! I just bought the same bike and I noticed the RPM shifting a bit in 6th gear (+-100+kph). Is this the same issue you noticed? It feels like the belt is skipping. Where did you buy the belt? Do I need need any special tools to fix this myself? Also, does this scooter have rollers? Should they be replaced?

@jgeusebroek

Жыл бұрын

Update: the shifting RPM seems to be fixed with the re-initialization procedure. Nice! Also seems to have a bit more torque.

Pls sir, I have Honda forza 250cc Which it just stopped on motion and since then not start pls what’s way forward to make it start?

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

It needs spark, fuel, compression and air to run. Air will be ok unless there's a few mice in your air filter. Spark can easily be checked when you remove the spark plug, if it's old replace it anyway. Compression you need a meter to properly check it, but anything over 7-8 bar with throttle fully open it should be able to run. Fuel can be checked relatively easy, if you take out the air filter and inject some brake cleaner directly into the throttle and it sputters or runs a bit it's a fuel issue. I think the fuel pump sometimes breaks on these.

i have changed my bike had clutch liner , now showing F error while driving bike . let me know it will be fix from these steps?

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

If you didnt forget to connect any sensors or damaged the wiring going to the rear speed sensor (it's easy for it to get caught between the cover) then yes, just try it, it cannot damage anything.

Could you help me with my Honda. The ( F) blinks seven times, and D stops showing. I didn't understand what that means!

@gokwokgokwok

6 ай бұрын

That would be weird, because as far as I can find there's no S-matic error code that starts with 7, are you sure it's not 6 or 8 blinks?

My friend has a Honda Ford 08 bike, I bought it about 8 months ago, and the bike is almost new, and because I have a tying sound from the belt and a weakness in the speed of the bike, and about 4 months ago, the bike was fast and better than now, what is the reason, brother....

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

How much did you drive in those 4 months ?

Hey. Do you have problem with transmission maybe? So my belt got broken during ride and when i put the new belt i’ve got a F error and Forza work only on 1st gear😢 dunno what to do, maybe gearbox engine got broken too?

@BarTeX93

Жыл бұрын

I have to add my forza is S-matic

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

Did you try the initialization procedure from the video?

@kiyembaahmed244

8 ай бұрын

Remove the front pulley as it needs re-timing and do reset it

@ebenezeroppong5223

7 ай бұрын

Am from ghana. Fix the amp sensor in the engine well. That is the cause of the fixed gear when riding

Thanks @gokwok

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, it makes me happy if I can help somebody with the video

hi you can show me how we reset all bike with red wire thanks

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

You mean reset the ECU of the Forza ?

@bee3092

9 ай бұрын

​@gokwokgokwok Yes. How do you do that please? I am getting the flashing F error light. Please tell me

@mrbiker30

9 ай бұрын

@@gokwokgokwok yes please how

The belt has writen: made in Ch. Which country is that? Is it European?

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

Yes, greater western china region

Why is nothing shown about the belt? Huge clickbait, very dissapointed early in this morning

@gokwokgokwok

2 жыл бұрын

Try watching it again in the afternoon ?

I had similar issue with my bike and I followed same procedure and it worked for me. but problem keeps occurring with time. I think I need to change the belt. @gokwok Can you assist me with the next step of action.

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

Change the belt, which is pretty much the same as any other scooter, and redo the initialization procedure. If your pulleys are too far gone you have the choice of either replacing them (which is very expensive) or you can install a few parts from the NSS250X Forza (and/or a Malossi Multivar) and convert it to a normal variomatic, which is what I did in the end. I only changed the front pulleys and it solved the issue, fuel consumption hasnt suffered too much, but there's no way to have both very low rpm cruising and sport mode. Please keep in mind that my Forza has a pretty high mileage, probably endured a lot of highway driving and had a very noticeable ridge in the front and rear pulleys (2mm at least) All the actions I took, incl putting the pulleys in the lathe, did improve the situation slightly. In the end the skipping/rpm jumping issue only occured above 110kmh whereas in the beginning it started happening from about 80kmh, but I figured it would lead to very high wear of the belt. If I have some time after christmas I'll make another video explaining what I did with Honda part numbers.

@alexopareofosu391

Жыл бұрын

@@gokwokgokwok thanks so much. Can I change just the variator rollers too?

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

After you converted it to the malossi (or non S-matic) variomatic, yes, it's a completely normal variomatic that you can tune yourself. In reality: the S-matic works better and gives you the best of 2 worlds, but repairing it is just extremely expensive. And at that point the normal variomatic is a good alternative to keep it running.

@alexopareofosu391

Жыл бұрын

@@gokwokgokwok Thanks for your constant response. What's involve in converting from S-matric to Malossi? Can you kindly show me. Thanks

@gokwokgokwok

Жыл бұрын

You need the following parts, depending on whether you want to use the original variomatic or the multivar (keep in mind this is for the MF08 version); I used www.cmsnl.com/honda-nss250x-forza-2007-7-european-direct-sales_model19545/partslist/E__1200.html to search the drawings. Always needed: 1x 22011-KAB-000 Piece slide set 1x 22131-KSV-J20 Plate ramp 1x 22133-KSV-J20 Collar 22x30x29.9 1x 90501-MG5-670 Wash plain 18mm 1x 94030-162-00 Nut HEX 16mm Stock variomatic: 1x 22102-KSV-J10 Face drive 1x 22104-KSV-J20 Boss B drive face 1x 22123-KFG-000 Roller set weight 1x 22130-KSV-J22 Face comp set movab OR 1x 22130-KSV-J21 Face comp set movab (older version, if J22 is not available) Malossi multivar: 1x M.5114261 Malossi Multivar 2000 Forza X 250 MF08 -2007 1x M.6113523B Malossi Ventilvar 2000 SH300 / NSS300 (requires a small modification on a lathe) OR 1x 22102-KSV-J10 Face drive Optional: 1x 19225-KSV-J10 O-ring waterpump Changing it is relatively straightforward, but you need to remove the waterpump to get all the S-matic parts out. The rear driven unit is different as well between the S-matic and normal version, but it's not necesary to change it unless it's too worn, you can try the Polini 243.072 torque spring instead of the original one to see which you like better. I used techpulley sliders on my Forza, but I forgot the weight, so you'll have to play around a bit. Keep in mind that your dashboard will display the "F" at all times after doing this, you'll need to disconnect the S-matic ECU behind the left rear panel to get rid of it, but your fuel consumption gauge will no longer work (might be able to rewire it, but I didnt bother)