I moved from a 1200 GS to an 890 ADV for the exact same reason: I would often hesitate to turn down some random track because the idea of turning that beast around was *always* in the back of my mind. And it is absolutely the case that on the 890 ADV I just don’t hesitate, I just go explore. The GS is definitely “better” for long distance stuff (think 700+ mile days) but I don’t do that as much these days. Every single time I get on the 890 I smile - *such* a fun bike, zero regrets.

@erickelly7161

Жыл бұрын

I have a 1250gsa and in the same boat as you. I want to sell it and get a 890 adv r like you since I mainly ride to dirt and don't travel cross country anymore. I heard you can add the Non R windscreen to the R for better wind protection.

I think the KTM 890 Adv is the wrong 890 variant for you. If you want the off road agility of the KTM but also don’t want to loose the comfort and touring feel of the AT, then the best mix of both those worlds is the Husqvarna Norden 901 Expedition. With the Norden 901 Expedition you get all the creature comforts of a touring Adv bike but you get the KTM 890 off road agility and capability.

Do what you want, your content is great and we'll watch anyway, I'm a KLR 650 2023 rider and I see both of those bikes as future purchase when I outgrow my kawasaki

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

thanks a bunch man

Thanks for making the video. I'm currently considering both. Going to test ride some ATs in Shreveport this weekend and see how I like them first. Feel like the Africa Twin will be a lot less maintenance long term.

I sold my AT for the exact reasons you stated. It's too heavy offroad. Got into several tricky situations which took me hours to get out of. Got myself a DR650 and now I'm looking at the new KTM 790.

I traded off my KTM 690 Enduro R because it was too shaky with the single but it single tracked great. I purposely bought a 2016 Africa Twin because it doesn't have a TFT dash to go bad and the traction control can be turned off on the fly with holding the switch and one button turns off the rear ABS. I just have Shinko 705's on it and not afraid to go off road anywhere. I can throw this one around pretty good and have thought of taking it to Twin Hills off road park in Bridgeport Texas where they run hard enduros and seeing just how well it does. My buddy had the 1090 Adventure R and it was a huge top-heavy pig with too much power for off road and I rode another buddy's KTM 790 and it was nice off-road, but was too light for me on long road trips on the highway with the winds we sometimes get here in North Texas ( DFW area). I have not ridden the new Africa Twin but have ridden another buddy's 2022 Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 and love it too , but it's heavier than my Africa Twin it feels. Sorry for the rant. I know what it is, there are so many nice looking bikes out there that we want to try them all.

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

The 890 made up for everything the 790 wasnt

Ok, I have the answer for you. I had a Tenere 700 for about 2 years, then got tired of the height and generally bored with it. (Most bikes don't entertain me for more than 18 months.) I decided to go with the new 2023 KTM 890 Adventure non R version. I was ready for a little more excitement than the perfectly calm T7. I loved the T7, but it just didn't excite anymore. I bought the KTM and have never looked back. Just the low seat height makes it worthwhile. I knew ahead of time that it would be noisier engine, and not as refined. So I was able to make the transition happily, knowing what I was getting. Before the T7, I owned an Africa Twin AS DCT, and same thing, it was so good and predictable I got bored with it. Loved it, but wanted to shed some pounds, thus went to the T7. So, I am guessing you are just so comfortable with the AT, it has become sort of boring, totally predictable and comfortable, but yet a tiny bit boring. My solution to that dilemma is move on to what might bring some gusto back. The 890 Adventure has some serious torque when you wish, and for me, brought back some gusto that the perfect T7 had lost. Good luck with whatever you do!!!!

Good AT review. My 2017 AT is super comfortable on long road trips, super reliable (90,000 Km trouble free) but a handful off road beyond gravel roads for me.

I'm having the same conversation in my head. The 890 checks a few boxes for me that I know I'd like; cruise control, tubeless tires, 50-70 lbs lighter than my 17 AT DCT, with a lower center of gravity and more HP. That said, more than a few long term owners have mentioned quirky issues that would drive me nuts. I'm frequently out in the middle of nowhere, alone and never thing twice about my AT starting and getting me home. I see in your vid list another suggestion you followed through with switching to an 890. I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the content.

It sounds like you want a "light", relatively powerful and reliable dirt oriented large capacity bike. It also sounds like you like what the Africa Twin gives you. If I were in your shoes I'd think about keeping the AT and swapping out/upgrading the CRF for a Yamaha T7. This way you would have two ultra reliable bikes that will cover all the things you want to do. Does the unicorn motorcycle that you are chasing really exist? I doubt it and you probably also doubt it which is why you already have two bikes that offer different things. AT and T7, what an awesome combination!

I think the African Twin is probably more capable than most riders. Upgrading bikes because you think it will bring you more places won’t make you a better rider. Just more poorer.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

lol, but it will make them rides much more enjoyable

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

The 890r makes you a better rider. Such low center of gravity with the fuel tank config and wp suspension simply is uncomparable with anything currently on the market

@Sassa_H

Жыл бұрын

​@@sanjosejeff- Showa EERA suspension is superior to White Power suspension.

@AntaresSQ01

Жыл бұрын

@@Sassa_H Absolutely no way, not compared the WP Explorer, that's the best offroad suspension hands down, not even comparable.

@AntaresSQ01

Жыл бұрын

​@@sanjosejeff​ This... I had an 890 ADV for a trip, standard but still with rally mode and some decent tyres (pirelli scorpion rally STR) What a bike... Handles good on road, insanely confidence inspiring off road, it rides itself, allows you to experiment, push the boundaries without constantly wobbling around thinking the next badly tilted rock is you down on your arse... I just got an AT1100 long termer, I'll try it off road, but just immediately sitting on it, general impressions are not too great. Imo the footpegs are too far forward, and right in the worst spot, where you'd want to put your feet out. The 890 ADV has the footpegs and seat so if you need to put your foot down, your feet are in their most natural, strongest, most stable position. The AT you have to put your feet behind the pegs or infront, and both positions are very unstable/weak, if you need to put a foot down to catch the bike, especially with the AT's heft and verrryy top heavy nature, you're not catching that... And that thought alone, makes you a better, more confident rider on the 890. Power wise, again, the 890 is actually more powerful on the spec sheet, and I think in reality it hauls itself better too, or just as well as the AT at least. It's easier to ride, KTM rider aids are significantly better too, just nothing against it, especially the 2023 MY onwards... I've yet to draw full conclusion on the AT but I have ridden it on an showcase off road track for about an hour and it wasn't too bad, but the 890 is another league for off road riding.

I got the 2023 890 r i hate the seat and the mirrors plus the front windshield too small [6.3 280 pounds] but this bike put a big smile on my face off road, IS the perfect bike HELL NO but off road YES

2 questions for you: 1. Did you see any difference with those deflectors over the tank ? 2. Which model is your windshield? Thanks in advance. At last tou bought a 890. I own a crf1100 dct woth small tank. Less heavy weight, more fun .

Interesting to hear you say the the Africa Twin is a hand full off road. I couldn't disagree more. I have a 2017 DCT that reminds me of my old motocross bikes. Yes, it's heavier, but it handles beautifully even in tough singletrack situations. There has not been any situation where it doesn't excel. Well, it could be more comfortable on long distance highway rides.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

oh wow, I think the twin is amazing for long highway rides. But me and the twin on single track does not end in a good day, LOL. but every rider is different.

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

One sentence: get on an 890 r and everything will make sense. Fuel tank configuration alone sets this bike apart

@M5tworude

7 ай бұрын

Haha, yea, a twin heavy bike is like a motocross bike.. You da Man!!

It's like every labour of love you will ever encounter, you have to adapt for the perfect relationship whether it be a new pet, a girlfriend or a motorcycle. Skills come with experience just like walking or writing, the more you practice the better you get. As for the strength side of it... just put the bike down and find a preferred way of lifting it (everything in life is a process) and do that five times a day... or buy one of those bike lifting gadgets... things will come together quicker than you think and then you will wonder why you ever thought about a KTM.

Think about it like this if the atas is your dream bike then live your dream . Every bike has negative things so make a list of everything then scratch them of til you are left with the most important ones then make your choice. Its easier to live with a dream than a brain choice.

Suggestion : keep the At... You're gonna miss that absolute comfort and tech ! For those last second moves... Get a 690 ktm !! It will do everything the At cant do!

You mere mortals, prostrate before the presence of Suzuki DR650 in awe and tremble. 👑

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

AhahahahahahashA

@Sassa_H

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

I own a 20' 790 ADV R keep the AF!

I have a new ATAS for longer adventure rides, 21 KTM 690 for dual sport rides and KTM EXC for single track. Best combo I have found for off-road. I bike does not cover all riding types. Keep the AT

i'm kinda in the same boat. Stepped up from the NC like you. Finding slow stuff on the AT you FEEL that weight... as soon as I heal up I going to take some training on the ADV specific courses and give it a year...(its been a month) on longer days and extended trips the AT kills!!! in my drive and gas stations.. man it feels heavy.. but we came from a very LCG bike so it makes sense...

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

you nailed it man 100% wait for my next vid ;)

Hit the gym! You will feel better all day being on better shape. Ride the AT. Get better with what you have instead of chasing unicorns!

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

I hate gyms, I love motorcycles and Waffle House

@SophisticatedHeathen

Жыл бұрын

@@adventureundone well, my wife and I do workouts at home. PHIIT and stuff like that. We do 2 10 minute workouts every other day. Works quite well for staying in shape and building my strength at 40, lol.

@SophisticatedHeathen

Жыл бұрын

@@adventureundone and we love Waffle House too... darn it, now I'm hungry....

Keep your atas. I am looking and the atas come out on top for net work of support is not match anywhere in the world then its the regular gas deal that you dont have to worry about.number 2,3 is super tenere and the suzuki 1050 adv.

I have a 2019 ATAS DCT. After I did 1200 miles in a day on it, I got the Sargent Seat (I wholly recommend it), but other than that it is so nice to have reliability for long touring rides. I have dropped tons of times on the dirt, only had a problem once when the bark busters got knocked into the front brake when I went over the handlebars. I have to have a DCT because of hand issues. I am curious about the Ducati Desert X, but I think other than that there is no bike I would trade it for. I mean if I wasn't going to do dirt, the Harley PanAm or the GS1250 are better on the road.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

I use to love DCT, but I’m over it. And I agree a replacement seat is a must. I always use seat concepts

@hillkiran

Жыл бұрын

@@adventureundone for the road DCT is amazing, for off-road it’s less than ideal. But I have a could of hand injuries that limit my clutch use

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

@@hillkiran yeah, I love how DCT gives many the option to still ride. I absolute love it on road, and especially in traffic. But off road it can be scary

It depends what you want and what it will trouble your head more. For me reliability comes first, that the reason i will not pick a 890 and i still have my 1200 gs. I strongly thinking to change it with an africa twin though, mostly for the weight and because it’s an old bike 2009 model.

You often ride quite far on some of your rides. I believe the Honda is doing what you need it to do and you handle that bike well …you are a better rider than you sometimes give yourself credit for. If you traded for the KLR Id later get a used bmw r1200gsa to do those long trips you take and ride the KLR on short more off-road stuff. Ol slick: Slick Trails and Tales

Different Beasts. Africa Twin more comfortable long distance. 890 R more capable in every other metric. If your just looking at the 890 adventure itself. Great bike. But again not as comfortable. The 890 will let you do things that you can't on the Twin because it will make it easier. You can do those things on the Twin but just need to work harder. All Bikes have some issues. KTM is solid these days. You have to remember. KTM's are cutting edge, they are race bikes really. They're high strung on purpose. Because they're Ready to Race!

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

This a very accurate answer. Hundred percent agree coming from an owner of an 890r

@lequan8766

Жыл бұрын

@@sanjosejeffi love 890 R but the dealer in my country is insane, I mean like 700 million vnd ~ 30k$ samecost as DCT ATAS, base AT is about 22k $ (tax here is insane as well 😅)

What about tiger 900 ? Very light bike also

Heh. Is that an aftermarket seat, I have just ordered one and think it will be a high priority

Checkout the reviews of the Husky 901 Expedition 😉

Im in a very similar boat. I have a 21 AT std my dream bike. But.....The triumph tiger 900 rally pro caught my eye.. for reasons only an AT owner will under understand.... Im tempted

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWZmsbWIeM_fc5c.html

Ktm is only for if you ride fast off road. Touareg 660 is lighter also.

Boils down to what you want to do on the bikes and RIDER SKILL. You watch Tarres, Kirian Mirabet, Toni Bou, and many others. They will be able to ride the AT or 890 Adventure R the same. Obviously not everyone can ride like them. If you want more off-road capabilities without having to do much if any suspension upgrades I'd say the 890 Adventure R hands down. Again though, maybe you'll ride the KTM the same way you ride the AT. Watching your video it sounds like the KTM will give you that little bit more of confidence you need.

What about the standard CRF100L and not the AS, lighter and that same lovely engine?

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing, even going manual. but the tube tires stink in my opinion

Adam - see video! This is why you bought the AT. You like to ride (long and far at times). Personally I think you would regret getting rid of your AT. Besides you have the 300 to explore rough terrain or single track. Also consider KTM Relibility is not like Honda. Some people never have an issue, some get stranded with issues. But Hondas very seldom break or leave you stranded. Just saying! kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKKd2Kt6os6fmps.html

i feel like the africa twin would be a little cheaper to run as it takes regular gas as compared to the KTM that requires premium gas.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

yeah thats is also a thought I was having. But my twin averages about 35mpg, and the KTM is about 45ish, so that should balance out to about the same

@keyboarddancers7751

Жыл бұрын

@@adventureundone 35 mpg? I'm gonna stick my neck out and suggest that you're probably a very "enthusiastic" rider!🤣😎

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

@@keyboarddancers7751 35-37 average. I kept my twin in sport 2 and power at max.

Go for desert x

I was thinking something similar. Current owner of a 2022 AT DCT (non AS). The bike was I looking into was the Terene 700. Similar reliability, can put in a rekluse clutch (similar no stalling of the DCT offroad, cheaper, 100lbs lighter, and great aftermarket. I previously had a 2021 890 Adv R, before the twin, same problem, tip toes. But was a fun bike. I'm new to the dirt but the AT seems to be the best compromise. Also can't find a T7😅 Edit: I was considering getting a 300l Rally to replace the AT. Just waiting to see how JakeTheGardenSnake's big bore kit turn out.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

I also own a 300L, such a fun little bike. No twin of course, lol but very fun. And I agree the 890 R is was to tall (stock seat) I’m interested in the standard 890

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

Curious, why did u part ways with the KTM?

@derrellbeasley4346

Жыл бұрын

For me, it was too tall. Had one to many 0 mph tip overs on uneven ground. No damage to the bike, had outback motortek crash bars and it was always a slow motion fall. The AT had a low seat high option, even the seat concepts low seat for the 890 didn't lower it. It's thinner but wider. No reliability issues over the year I had it, I did replace the cat under the rear shock though. Plus I was interested in the DCT. Loving the DCT, thinking about adding a rear brake lever and replacing the parking brake level with the one from the rebel 1100.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

@@derrellbeasley4346 yeah I think dct is amazing, but having it on 2 bikes now, I think I’m over it, dct is also very scary at times off road, very easy wicket throttle. I have gotten much better with dct off road, but again it’s a different way of riding. Now your talking 890r height right? The standard 890 is a pinch lower that the twin

@derrellbeasley4346

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the 2021 890 Adv R. I have a 32 inch inseam, and I was on toes. I didn't really look into the 890 Adv, (edited) had less ground clearance, different tires, not as cool, etc. In hindsight, may have been a better purchase. I think the Norden 901 is comparable to the 890 Adv. Same bike, better looking, and comes with the 'tech package' included and spoked tubeless 21 & 18 wheels. Only half a inch taller, though still almost an inch shorter than the AT

According to what you say and yours needs, you should buy the simple Africa twin, less weight in comparison to the adventure sport and better bike from the ktm in All terms.

Funny because ktm we’re not on my radar and I owned a Ducati scrambler 1100 before I bought my ktm 890 adventure s. Ktm somehow draw you in and watching utube is dangerous because the more you watch ktm reviews the more you want one. I’ve done 300 miles and already have problems, rear brake binding, leaking rear damper so far, but it’s exciting to ride, I would look at the Honda as a reliable cart horse and the ktm is a highly bread race horse, no disrespect to Honda. The only reason i would consider changing is the weight and the aggressive nature of the ktm. Reliability is hit or miss in my opinion.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

yeah I was at a group ride and there was 3 890's out there, swung a leg over one and it took 100% of my attention

Get the 2023 black KTM 890 Adventure stealthy looking one not the R and you will be happy, and you can up the suspension like I did with the TracTive suspension specked to the Norden 901 with 220mm travel front and back it won't need a step to get on it but man it is a game changer of riding satisfaction! I'll be coming out with a video soon with my 2023 890 Adventure non-R version and it is so much fun and easy to ride with a bunch of hooligan thrills!

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

that's what I'm leaning on here, minus the suspension (as of now)

honda forever❤

Call me if you’d honestly like to discuss……..I just sold my 2019 AT and bought a 890R…….I’m happy to discuss the differences

keep it !! ktm has its mechanical problems, twin has none--

If you value reliability then Honda, if you like uncertainty then ktm.

KTM 💯

If I know I'll have a repairing escort with me 24/7, defo KTM... If I can't have that, AT all day. 😌

No dct, manual + quickshifter

I love your clips Dan. Consider that KTMs that are widely sold in Europe are the most unreliable bikes. Expect serious damages under 10.000 Kms or so. Even the top models of KTM are not able to withstand a big adventure trip. They’re famous only for the Hp output and some top quality accessories as the suspension. I wouldn’t want a KTM even if they have it to me for free.

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

One of the most inaccurate comments I’ve seen generalizing KTM. Must be a left wing democrat

Twin is better forsure

Get exc 500 and some donuts

Ktm is bad quality bike made in china.Good performance but with lot of problems.

Before you make a move on a KTM, look into the reliability issues they’ve had. Hondas are bulletproof!

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

yeah I have, but like I said in the video, same situation as me buying yet another jeep. Kinda wish the transalp was in the US

@sanjosejeff

Жыл бұрын

A Russian diesel farm tractor is more reliable than a Ferrari as well. Poor arguement

The twin is just to top heavy

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

100% hope the transalp comes soon

@Motocampster

Жыл бұрын

I think the transalp would be perfect for you

I had chance to ride KTM790 Adventure back to back against my T7 and I came out unimpressed. I came in with high expectations for the KTM cause it's so hyped. The thing I disliked the most which people praise was the lower tanks/CG, it felt like I was fighting the bike in the corners due to the low CG. I'm pretty sure I can get used to that with time if I purchased one, I really didn't like it. Another thing, the motor sounds like bag of marbles. The plus for the KTM was the lower seat height and the bike was pretty fast. That's just my experience. I have no issues taking the T7 on technical off-road. I suggest staying with Africa Twin. I'd like to ride one, they say the handling is similar to the T7 with more power.

@adventureundone

Жыл бұрын

I almost got a T7 before the twin, about same height/feel, but the twin is about doing LE the up too weight. That’s the biggest downfall. I think the transalp will be the sweet spot

Ktm is too offroad, it is not good on road