Nice job love your comparisons , true and clear ! I recently put a crawlmaster sport 550 10t in my gen8 , lost a tiny bit of wheel speed vs stock but gain lots of torque and speed control . Very happy with it ! Thanks to guys like you that help us make the right decision for our needs by putting it in motion ! 👍

So cool you do all these motor test glad to see the Chanel taking off like I always thought it should been here since the 2000 props bud some day Maybe I’ll have the time to start one my self

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

John Roddy thank you and yeah if you know tech and can share, there are many that want to learn it. It takes a while to actually make a few bucks at it.

Very nice comparison video! Keep up the great work!

Insightful I'm looking at my first Homes Hobby motor. This is a good start for home work

HH 12t Crawl Master 550 series seems like the sweet spot. Great motors, consistent torq and low speed control.

I have the 15t in my bronco and 12t in my sport, love these motors

@rey3468

3 жыл бұрын

Which one do you like better for crawling the 15t or the 12t?

I’ve been waiting for this video! My trail master is still running well but I’m about to order me a crawl master soon 🤘🏽

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

TAC0MA if you still want some wheelspeed get the 12t.

@BlytheToMeetYou

4 жыл бұрын

Exocaged RC will do, thanks boss! 🙏🏽

@paulclancy2404

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC hey I was going order one these 12t for my gen8 but how about the capra rtr, should I stick with higher turn motor

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Clancy I like the 13t Crawlmaster sport 540 but the 16t is good too, just a little slower. A 550 size motor is not a bolt in.

@paulclancy2404

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC thanks ik, I watched you modify for 550 .was good idea maybe for me too since I cheated buying the r.t.r lol

I just installed my 15 turn today and I completely happy with it it also seems to be quiter then the stock motor

Do you use that hobbywing 1080 with these motors with the 3s?

Hey Joe, great comparison video! What pinion are you running in that rig? What differences are you feeling with these motors vs the equivalent turn Trailmaster sport? I run a Trailmaster sport 27t with 9t pinion in mine and really like how it does. Have been interested in a crawlmaster sport since they came out tho.

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Low Budget RC stock 11t pinion. The “older” 3 slot motors have more low end torque according to Holmes, also the 3slot have a higher effective KV than the 5 slot ones do. The 5 slot are smoother but both are smooth enough I can’t really tell which ones are better.

I am considering for new SCX10ⅲ。which one is better 12T or 15T. The high-low gear ratio of SCX10ⅲ seems to be different from TRX4 ...

What would u say the difference is in the trail master and the crawl master?

Nice video comparison, that 15 turn is grueling slow. if I bought this in the 12T for an 10.8 lb Scoutt ii Gen 8 what pinion would you recommend? Im currently running the stock set up I believe is 17 T pinion? Thanks man

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

yeah the 12t Crawlmaster works out well in that

Nice video, would like to see the same test between the 12t crawlmaster and the 27t trail master

@Tech-NO-City

4 жыл бұрын

There both excellent the crawlmaster 5 slot has better low speed control wile the trailmaster 3 slot has a better drag brake.

I just got my 12T in the mail 2 days ago for my trx4 sport. Looking forward to running this motor with a HW 1080

@tyleryoung840

4 жыл бұрын

Bryan Forth I’m looking into the same setup either 12t or 21t how you like the 12t vs the stock 21t??

@NikkiNexo777

4 жыл бұрын

@@tyleryoung840 12T is smoother at start up and has more torque. If I had to choose one over the other, I would go with the 12T

@tyleryoung840

4 жыл бұрын

Bryan Forth what about top speed how’s that compare between the two?

@NikkiNexo777

4 жыл бұрын

@@tyleryoung840 the Holmes hobby 12T is faster. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aaOkpbiogpTPg9o.html

@NikkiNexo777

4 жыл бұрын

@@tyleryoung840 I have my truck geared 45 / 9

Trying to decide what motor to put into my wraith. I am going with the HW 1080 and was thinking about the HH crawlmaster sport 16t. Not looking for much speed but a little punch to it. Any ideas?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

If you can afford it go with a torquemaster. That’s a big truck that in all honesty needs brushless power.

Would have lovend a comparison between the Trailmaster 21T and the 12T Crawlmaster. I bought the TM21T on purpose, since the original one is also a 21T motor. I am very happy with it but a comparison with this CM12T could actually show others if a CM is a step up. Any chance on that?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Ruud Kuijer yeah I can do that in the end the TM will give a slight bit more start torque over the CM. The CM will have a slightly smoother start up and both will have about the same speed.

I have the 12T in my sport with the hobbywing 1080. I swapped the stock 17T and 39T setup with a 12t and 45t, it makes it 5x smoother. If I run the stock 17 and 39, it doesn’t quite have the smooth low end. What gearing are you runnning?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Ennis 11/45 in this one and yeah the 17/39 is more of a basher trail setup.

@Ennis09

4 жыл бұрын

Exocaged RC Wow, for some reason I think I’m only getting 7mph out of my 12t with 12/45! On 3s, yours is better! LOL, love your videos man.

when u tested the speed u did it twice for each motor first gear and second gear what is that pls ? what is the difference ??

HH makes great motors what are you using for a ESC?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Andrews this one has the Hobbywing 1080 esc

Great video! I'd really like to see a comparison between the HH crawlmaster sport and pro 12t. Is it really worth the extra money? After using a 5-slot I doubt I'll ever go back to brushless in a crawler.

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Jon Carpenter interesting, I don’t have the Crawlmaster pro 12t anymore. I have the 10t but I can tell you from past tests the pro has a LOT more torque and control both on the crawl up and on descents. The magnets on the pro are just way stronger.

@klampfinger

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jon. Your comment Sounds interesting. Which brushless system have you been using? I am pending between a Quicrun 1080 with 5-slot motor vs the Hobbywing Axe brushless System. Not sure whether the Axe is worth the money...

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

klampfinger you can get great runtime, durability and control out of the 1080 esc with any decent motor. The Axe is in a whole different league, it’s control up and down are second to none and it’s a very good system, some can say it’s the best on the market. The Axe cost more but then again it’s a lot more of everything.

@jonathanmcmahon2214

4 жыл бұрын

@@klampfinger klampfinger I have a mambax crawler combo with a 3800kv motor. It's a great setup for my bomber. For a dedicated crawler I don't need the speed and the low end control of a 5-slot motor is just amazing. The quicrun 1080 is an excellent esc too. That's what I'm using. I also dropped to a 9t pinion. My truck is a heavy trx-4 (lots of brass) and when I do need some wheel speed 2nd gear always seems to have plenty.

@klampfinger

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC Thanks a lot for your advice. I always enjoy you videos.

Did you have to gear down on the 12t ? I know the Holmes hobbies site doesn’t recommend the 12t for crawling but it looked nice. I just don’t wanna get it and burn it out

@ExocagedRC

3 жыл бұрын

these are the crawlmaster motors, a 12t 5-lot like this is about the same as a 21t normal 3-slot motor, he has them down to 8t and they work great

@mike253905

3 жыл бұрын

Nice thanks for tip

Do you think a crawl master sport 540 20t motor would be good for a Capra with stock gearing?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Melissa Hall no, that’s way way too slow. Now if all you want to do is crawl and don’t need any wheelspeed then I guess so. Personally I’d go with a 16t or even the 13t if you want a bit more wheel speed.

Question? Any manual shift mods for a 2 speed upgrade. No servo or 3 channel transmitter. Any thoughts or links? Hey bud. Just replaced the Titan with a 16t cralwmaster sport 540. Also was able to replace my one speed with the 2 speed transmission.

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe you could get a rubber band on it and just move that to one side or the other and shift it that way? I haven’t tried that on a trx but it works on an axial 10.3

@benfred8

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the idea. Just recently put on a key chain retractor for a winch. So far hasn’t been able to make the difference but.

The brushed beast. I tried a 9T pinion and 45T spur in my TRX4 even on 3S is too slow, but the torque is AMAZING!

@hardcoretam

4 жыл бұрын

I tried this before in my TRX4 but I found the stock motor was much more powerful with more torque

What size pinion?

Morning, what esc you running in your trx4 sport-ish? HW1080?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Baity that’s a 1080 in there.

@jeremybaity7002

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC I need to give the 12t a try. The 15t I picked up just didn't have the speed I was looking for so I went with a 540 27t HH trailmaster. I'm ordering the 12t 550 when I get back from physical therapy dang it. Thanks a million

Hi. Thank you for that video. Do you use stock bronco pinion gear? I own the Bronco as well and want to put the sport body on it. What do i have to consider? Can i use the original fenders? Regards

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

klampfinger yeah stock 11t pinion and I had to trim the bronco inner fenders down quite a bit but they are in there.

@klampfinger

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC Again, thanks a lot...

@EHolm

4 жыл бұрын

@@klampfinger traxxas has a narrow fender kit. Cheap, and looks better than just cutting the standard ones.

@klampfinger

4 жыл бұрын

@@EHolmThank you. I will biy them. Regards...

@hinnmanfamily

4 жыл бұрын

@@klampfinger trx#8080 fit.

How would you compare the 12t crawlmaster sport with the 21t trailmaster sport?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

12t is smoother 21t has more low end torque

What is your opinion for Crawlmaster Sport 10T? Thanks in advance

@luisfernandezgomez6153

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, Crawlmaster sport 10T (5slots) could get more torque than Trailmaster 21T (3slots)?

Not sure if you check these older vids but a question on these motors. Just getting into the hobby (built a TRX4 chassis kit) and some of the basics seem to not always apply. Stock comes with that 550 21T motor and what I've read basically is high turn = high torque and low turn = more speed. But here you are running a 12t motor that is slower than the stock 21t motor on the 3s...why is that?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

The Crawlmaster motors have 5 slots on the armature. The other motors have 3 slots. Basically a 5 slot is slower than a 3slot and with that you can run lower turns and still have a smoother crawling motor.

@tgjaedan

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC awesome, thanks man. sometimes there's so much information out there it's actually hard to figure out the answer. Do you by chance have any videos on the TRX4 axles? The one odd issue I can't figure out is at full turn lock the axles seem to bind or something. I get a very jerky forward motion. and I have read people say everything from its normal to my drive shafts are a little too long and you need to grind off half a millimeter. I'm not a big fan of grinding stuff off if not necessary.

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Spiffy_McAwesome it’s normal. At full turn the tires speed up and slow down twice per revolution. If you drive it slow enough you can see the tire do this. The trick it to only steer as much as you need and to try to never go full throttle at full lock. Most of the time they survive fine and most don’t even notice when driving.

@tgjaedan

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC thanks for taking the time to reply!

@tgjaedan

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC there aren't a whole lot of places for me to break the thing here in Northwest Florida so I'm trying not to break it because I put it together wrong first.

So you prefer the Trailmaster or Crawlmaster motors? I have Redcat gen 8 & trying to decide but also dont want to lose drag braking ability? a Thnx

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Both are really good. Is probably go with the 12t Crawlmaster Sport but you can’t go wrong with the 21t Trailmaster Sport either.

@ConditionZero76

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC Im sorry for all the questions but I cant seem to ever find the info I really need & Im new to crawlers. Is it normal for my Redcat gen 8 wheels to bind so bad when turning. Im running a flyskygt3b radio I adjusted my end points but in order to not get binding youd have have a massive circle turning radius. is there something else to help this or is binding normal with these since there 4x4 locked? Thank you so much sorry for driving you crazy!!

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

HKGuy Snowman#1 binding is kinda something that happens. If it’s really really bad then try to oil the CVD’s in the front end. It may help a bit.

@ConditionZero76

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC Awesome Thanks for the info, I was starting to think something was wrong with it!! dont get me wrong tho its not like the wheels wont move or are jumping a 1/4 inch or something but at full turn it starts to kinda bind with some vibrating, Im just not use to it, I generally run 2wd brushless SC vehicles.. I'll take your advise & oil them up some, why I didn't think 🤔 of that is beyond me lol.. Now Im deciding between 21T Trailmaster or the 12T crawlmaster, Im worried the 12T will be to slow & Ive heard you lose your drag brake w/ 5 slot... Thank you very much

Whats the best budget motor($50-$60) for crawling im gonna run the hobbywing 1080 i would appreciate the advice thanks

@rcaddict7638

3 жыл бұрын

Go crawl master I would say I’m not an expert though

@sprather84

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcaddict7638 already went brushless running a sw4 and revolver

@rcaddict7638

3 жыл бұрын

@@sprather84 oh nice how does it do?

@sprather84

3 жыл бұрын

@@rcaddict7638 absolutely incredible you need to try it out

I have a redcat gen 7 sport and I was wondering wat weight shock oil u suggest I use. And Wondering wat c rating on a 2s lipo I should use thanks

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

What weight shock oil I use is the stock, I haven’t felt a need to change it. On the lipo, it’s a low amp crawler so there is no need for a big c rating. Mah is more important. No battery is over 30c no matter what is on the label

@toddeaves3015

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC ok thanks alot.

What transmitter are you using?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

in this truck i'm using the stock one

New section needs a rock booty

How about a video where you compare these, the stock motor, and the trailmaster all geared to run about the same speed?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

I've done videos comparing the stock titan to the holmes trailmaster sport 21t, it was an easy victory for the trailmaster. I haven't done any comparisons against the crawlmaster motors because they are slower and just built differently. I have an almost new titan 21t I could run against the 12t if you think that would be interesting.

@hinnmanfamily

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC That would be interesting if they're geared for similar speed.

@royomtb

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC will be good to at least know the speeds with the stock titan to comparison..

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Gustavo Royo Ribeiro the stock titan is faster than both of these.

@royomtb

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC I looked at your vídeo of titan x trailmaster 12t.. titan 21t with 2s is Just a little faster than crawlmaster 15t with 3s. But minimal difference. But with crawlmaster you have much more control at low speeds. Thanks for the vídeos with the infos.

I think 15t is for 8x8 or 6x6 heavy rig

Can this 12t be used in a monster truck and achieve faster speeds ?

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Gerardo Ortiz I doubt it, it’s about the same as a 21t normal motor. You’ll be better off with a 12t Trailmaster Sport but watch the temps if you get that one.

@TheEgb18c

4 жыл бұрын

Exocaged RC So the 12 T Trailmaster sport is the equivalent to a Traxxas 12 T in say a rustler

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Gerardo Ortiz a little bit better but it’s close.

@TheEgb18c

4 жыл бұрын

Exocaged RC better quality and maybe just as fast

Is there any way to paint a body on the outside and have it work

@hinnmanfamily

4 жыл бұрын

Sure, but be careful using the body because there is nothing to protect the paint. Some people use plasti-dip as the paint for this so they can peel it off and repaint when they want (I'll do this for just the fender flares on crawler bodies).

@addiemonsterrc3990

4 жыл бұрын

Use lexan paint on the outside, it is the same plastic as the inside. If you want to use non-lexan paint (as it offers more color choices) make a base coat of lexan paint or lexan clear on the outside first. You can then use regular paint on top of the lexan paint layer, and it will hold pretty well. I do this all the time.

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah and I’ve had an idea for a while. Paint the underside silver. Then paint the outside a nice opposing color of your choice. As it gets scratches they will be shiny when they are done but just paint those new scratches a rust color. That would give legit battle scars for the truck.

@airsoftoutback3174

4 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks! I have a beat bronco body I want to custom paint to look like my real bronco so this will be cool!

@hinnmanfamily

4 жыл бұрын

@@addiemonsterrc3990 that's interesting. A friend accidentally used enamel paint once and it seemed to stick fine but wasn't flexible enough and flaked away at the places the body flexed, or so I thought until reading your response. Maybe the problem was that it didn't adhere well enough to deal with the flexing instead.

I have the 15t on a 1080 in my Enduro kit. Beautiful combo, but too slow. I'll be ordering a 12t soon.

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

I was a bit surprised at the speed difference 3 turns can make

@BudgetRC_Channel

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExocagedRC me too! I didn't expect that much difference until I saw your comparison.

@modelnutty6503

4 жыл бұрын

1-2 tooth larger pinion is an option to change it too

@BudgetRC_Channel

4 жыл бұрын

@@modelnutty6503 I don't like to gear up because it kills the low speed startup and torque

@OswaldBeef

4 жыл бұрын

@@BudgetRC_Channel it might not kill it if its considered too slow already. I think the 15 turn with a 14tooth might be worth trying, I'm going to. Edit* on a trx4 2 gear

12t with a 1080 works great for me

@ExocagedRC

4 жыл бұрын

Jay Latham yep! I may try a BRXL esc and 4S on the 15t just to see how it runs.

In a world of motors where u have enough torque to spin the tires in any situation lower your gearing to give it more pointless torque - every rc owner. Yeah i dont understand that idea

crawlmaster motor isnt supposed to be fast lmao