Appreciate all the testing you put in on these expensive knives. Truly a service to the community

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

I’m having fun doing this. Keep spreading the word, friend!

Thanks so much for the shoutout! Great review on this one and thanks for testing the safety of the drop point. Great to see that the production drop point version doesn’t have the same issue as the pre-production tanto one. I hope they fixed that in the production run on the tanto.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

You bet! Great content on your channel! Folks that watch mine should also watch yours BEFORE buying anything EDC related. Not saying they shouldn’t watch MC or NK but unaffiliated content is must see!

Thanks, I appreciate your in-depth perspective.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

My pleasure! Hopefully we can get some feedback from Hogue

Great presentation on this one. Hearing your thoughts and opinions should be very important to us, who watch your videos. Many of us feel the same as you do about the lack of quality control on USA made knives

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Thank you for what you're doing in the testing of knives/locking mechanisms. I appreciate it as an amateur engineer and 51-year-old folding knife enthusiast and lifelong anti-bladeplay advocate . Bill McHenry and Jason Williams, inventors of the Axis lock, took great pride and obsession in their lock. The "bar lock," as it has become known, has become popular since the patent expired as we all know. The problem is, even with Benchmade's newer offerings, that the geometry between the lockbar, stop pin, and blade pivot/tang ramp (the critical triangle) has lost its mojo on some newer knives featuring this lock. The Axis bar is designed with the perfect spring tension to absorb the "micro-slop" within this critical triangle. My early 2000's Benchmades and even the Griptilian's and Mini-Grip's of recent years subscribed to the critical triangle mojo. They tested their knives and realized that a softer 310 or 400 series steel for the liners was the way to go in conjunction with the critical triangle. Other models (and newer BM models) from other manufacturers do not. My first clue was when I saw no room for wear being allowed on the liners of newer BM models, as if the Axis bar moving all the way forward and hitting the forward liner wall was a good thing. It's not a good thing. The next was seeing the stop pin gradually moving backward on the knife for whatever reason. The most current is the advent of gratuitously large and sloppy pivot pins. It's like the game where you whisper something in 12 people's ears and by the end it's not the original message. Admittedly, I'm a complete Benchmade fanboy and have been since the 80's. I'd love to see them reclaim what has become somewhat lost in translation. Again, thank you for what you do. Subscribed.

@scottneal3753

5 ай бұрын

Sorry to nerd on, but the tang ramp angle plays a big part in this dynamic - obviously. As does the choice of materials. Titanium liners on "bar locking" knives is a gamble, as 300 and 400-series stainless steels can be hardened. Given that most recent incarnations have stainless-series liners, I've got to take a hard look at that critical triangle, especially the placement of the stop pin. Thanks again for entertaining my long post and for what you're doing. As a relentless tinkerer, I plan to apply your modding advice to the locking block of my incoming MT Amphibian's Ram Lok as well, if it doesn't pass muster. I think they're on to something, though the early runs are always the betas. Much to buyer chagrin.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

It’s an absolute pleasure to have you as a subscriber! Please nerd on!

Really enjoy your reviews, thanks.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

Glad you like them! Thank you! Keep spreading the word please!

Great content. Please continue.

I feel ya. It really sucks getting your new knife in hand only to be let down by some issue. However your unbiased testing helps me to make better purchasing decisions. And for that you have my thanks.

Thanks for helping us the consumers... 👍

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

Keep spreading the word! Appreciate your support!

Congratulations on the 4700 subscribers! I enjoyed the tangent discussion.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! Keep spreading the word please!

The deep dive actually helps to understand where you're coming from! 👍

While you were on the clip, I have a leather chair with stitching my DEKA clip caught and snapped off. I tried to bend down the spoon portion that using parallel pliers and it broke instead of bending. Very brittle. Modifies a titanium clip I had and no further issues.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

Thanks that’s a great story!

I'm starting to warm up to your reviews, seems you have a point here (eh, a point, see? 😁)

I wonder if you do a disassembly and a reassembly if that can help resolve some of the issues, however, I think hogue will appreciate this video and do what they can to fix future assembly.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

I sure did! Do you care to guess what was the issue before that video comes out?

@mattrc77

5 ай бұрын

@@CuttingBoardRx my guess is that one of the omega springs is broken or like you said there is not adequate amount of space for the springs in general between the scale and liner?

Your deep dive section included a lot of interesting information and insight. Hate to say it, but I feel like I've given up on most US knife manufacturers. Quality control on my favorite companies (Spyderco and ZT) seems to have dipped in my experience and their prices to increase every year. It's not inherently their fault as you mentioned, but definitely it leaves a bad taste.

Thanks for all your hard work.I want a magnacut blade.I am going to wait.I just bought a Manix 2 xl good ,stiff lock but breaking in frogot what lock Is called.Generally speaking I had good luck with Spyderco, Benchmade Haven't bought ZT for awhile.T.C

I've already purchased my EDC for the year 2024 the new version of Pro Tech 2T in Magncut my Grail EDC no knives for Mr.Scott , so good bye people 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting! I think maybe you are confusing my channel with the ones that are trying to sell knives. I collect knives and share my findings with the viewers, whether they buy knives or not is of no concern tome!

The point you make in the final 3 minutes might be the first good argument supporting Benchmades very high prices. Hmmm I sympathise with USA manufacturers Chinese manufacturing has been building cheap for so long that they’ve mastered producing and machining very accurate, low tolerance parts

Thanks for the review , I’m actually returning mine , it’s ok but not $300 worthy , for me the scales are to narrow for my hands

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

I bet it’s BHQ Bargain sale by now! If that’s where you got it from.

@Antimatter.

5 ай бұрын

@@CuttingBoardRx No I got it from White mountain knives , I used LTKs coupon code just under 300 , sent it back already , I tell you what is fantastic is that Rex45 on the GPknivrs excl Manix 2 LW , I just ordered the original goat scales for it , that blade steel is phenomenal

Дякую за огляд

@CuttingBoardRx

Ай бұрын

Мушу вам повісити що останнім часом я перевірив твердість леза. Це видео - незабаром.

When sharpening remove the Thumbstuds. Does the edge hit your digits, when holding the handle properly, if the lock fails? It does look nice. I usually, really like Hogue Knives and Grips. :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

How would you remove these particular thumb studs?

@etherealicer

5 ай бұрын

Hogue also likes to use red loctite on their thumbstud.

@etherealicer

5 ай бұрын

I generally use rubber tipped pliers for a task like this.

@heavyweightsound

5 ай бұрын

They look like the same studs that are on the Deka. They are removable with and a lot of force, plus you may need to heat it up. I used two small vise grips. I used gorilla tape on the teeth of the pliers, but it ended up chewing up the studs anyway. They used red Loctite so it took a lot of time and effort to get it off. I eventually replaced it with a bugout thumb stud which works perfectly. Those Hogue thumbstuds are kinda sharp

@sheltermonkey6065

5 ай бұрын

Use a soldering iron to degrade thread locker.

One of my dekas sound like that.

Neeves knives said his version of this knife was great, but I’m not buying a $300 knife if its a QC crapshoot. As you said rushed out for shot show! Slava Ukraini.

@michaelkolenda3605

4 ай бұрын

"Neeves knives said his version of this knife was great" you can see the swedge is incorrect in his video thumbnail as well.

New, just found you.

I don’t have a deka, but I have a Doug Ritter rsk in magnacut. It’s kinda like a griptilian with a different blade shape. I just noticed it has a burned tip 😢

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

I’m not sure at what temperature MagnaCut starts to change colour, it may be pretty low 130-200F. I know that most stainless high alloy steels air quenched so it may be ok. Carbon and tool steels act differently bc they have more carbon not in solution. Ask @edcandlace how to deal with this, she sharpens professionally surely she sees this all the time. She commented on this thread, easy to find

@49giants3

5 ай бұрын

Thank you my friend

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same issues in my copy, blade asymmetry as well, kinda embarrassing from Hogue for msrp $330 knife

Agreed thumbstuds should be an aftermarket accessory for those that "need" them

Where is that lanyard from?

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

The cordage came from REI. The scull bead came from a parking lot where I found it, ironically next to the same REI but on a totally different day! The rest is just an extended slip knot AKA noose AKA hangman’s knot. Same as on Chris Reeve knives lanyard

I take it you examined the internals for the scratches? Could it be a QC issue with your particular knife or does it look like a design flaw?

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

I’ll take a look!

Sounds like me knees...

@CuttingBoardRx

Ай бұрын

Old age is not for sissies!

This guy needs a good fixed blade. Why in the world would anyone do half of what he did to a pocket folder?

@CuttingBoardRx

Ай бұрын

Because badass!

So basically it's a trophy knife but over $300 you would expect it to be in good condition and the sad part of it all it's American made.😮😮😮😮

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

That’s the exact sentiment that I am trying to state in this video. Thanks for commenting.

Basically every Benchmade Ive touched, regardless of price, has has serious QC issues. So this really isn't that bad.

Did you disassemble it to see what is causing the scraping sound? You might have just gotten a flawed one. Hogue probably did some testing of the model before it was released. I assume Benchmade tests pretty thoroughly before model releases... though sometimes problems slip through, like the Adamas lock issue shown by DBK. Cold Steel does testing too, though while cheesy, is worthwhile. Lynn Thompson has often talked about how they would test each batch they received from Taiwan before approving them. Kershaw's testing is more lacking, and lot of Chinese manufacturers such as Kizer don't really do any testing at all. Their goal is to get new models out the door as quickly as possible. If we take Kershaw as an example, they have 2 designers on staff and maybe 1 "engineer lite". The engineer is probably getting paid considerably less than engineers in other industries. And as you mentioned, the companies don't have QC programs.

@CuttingBoardRx

5 ай бұрын

Yep! Would you like to make a guess? Before the video comes out?

Like nails on a chalkboard😬

Personally I have NO problem with a knife failing that spine whack test on the second or third go-round. Yes, the lock should survive one accidental smack on the spine, which is rare in the real world but can happen, but if you are repeatedly and consecutively smacking the spine of the blade ... you probably shouldn't be using knives (or operating heavy equipment).

Slava Ukraini