The reason for the double grind is for strength in really hard use. Both Bob Loveless and myself independently came up with this design originally. His called the Pro Sportsman. H liked to grind his blade ultra thin for effortless skinning in the field. Issue was that many less knowledgeable sportsmen would force the edge thru the bone joints which could crack the edge. Mine was called the Compound edge. ( I owned an Archery Shop at the time and it just seemed to fit). Glad to see my old friend Allen E. bringing it back again! :

@Hungrybird474

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah bro ! Just waiting for one from Doody s daggers . I love shooting my compound bows . Right now it’s Hoyt , matthews and an older bowtech monarch that is super dialed in . You ?

@jeffhicks-wo1ty

8 ай бұрын

thats literally what they're called is a compound grind.

Great test and I like how you discuss how it felt against other Magnacut and other steels (4V). Thanks brother 👊

Love my Deka (clip point, blue scales). I was told by Hogue that "We are trying to achieve an HRC level that falls between 61 and 63 so there is a possibility that your blade falls closer to 63." So take that as you will. I've had no problems whatsoever in cutting/sharpening it (though I have not put it through its paces like you have Jerad. When I asked about future Hogue models in magnacut I was told that they want to do more models in such, but for now are concentrating on smaller EDC models. I was pointed to a collab between Ritter and Hogue (a 3.5 inch bladed folder), but I'm not too crazy over that model, so I passed when I had a chance to get it. Great review. Thanks.

Another great informative video from the best channel on KZread. Love the way you explain and articulate the info. Keep them coming man.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Gamna 🙏

Love your passion in your videos, Neeves

Awesome video. One thing I would recommend is push cutting a section of the edge, as that will dull it faster (since you’re using a smaller portion of the edge) and save time and cardboard. If you push cut a tapes off portion on all tests you can still see how each steel/heat treat compares with the same or better accuracy but less physical labor

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

agreed, and i do wish i would have done that in hine site, thats how i did the 14c test

@EDCandLace

Жыл бұрын

I used to tape off with all tests to and used to use the 1inch standard but my God on some knives I have a hard time making the full 12 inch cut without running up the tape. I started sectioning off 1.5 inches in the place of the blades that fit my cut style. I wish I would do it with just a 1 inch section I just can't without running up on the tape but I can with 1.5. Thar deff increase my numbers and deff increase my work in the tests. Hell I wish I could keep it to a half inch section lol I just can't. I also use exactly the same card board (can't control the lot# but it is at least always the same make and size of card board.) I try to keep the variables as close from one knife to the next as I possibly can. I take it as close from knife to knife off the stones as possible and 2 passes per side off the stone on the strop. I will never get it totally scientific but it's as close as I possibly can. I also will not post results if I can't repeat within 3% of two tests and I never test a knife until it's on edge 4 then I repeat the test on edge 5 and if I'm within 3% I post results if not I put another edge and test again until I have two tests repeat. It really makes me sick when I have a repeat that is 4 or 5% and I gotta cut all that again lol.

@mattpeterman7845

Жыл бұрын

@@EDCandLace that is very impressive though, your thoroughness and integrity with testing

@BOOSTEDLASER

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives HOW DID THE RETENTION COMPARE VS SAY BUGOUT S30V ? OR OTHER POPULAR STEELS

You make that look so easy. And the sound you make setting the blade down on the stone to me is comparable to a sweet TI kn8fe being flicked open.

Good test brotha keep up the good work. 👍

The lightness makes it my daily carry. It feels like it isn't even in the pocket, and the polymer doesn't scratch anything else in the pocket... something I didn't think about ahead of time. It does feel cheap because of that and the flex is worrying, but in use, loving it. Seeing how well it cut after all those boxes is making me a real Magnacut believer...

Awesome video thanks for all your hard work

Absolutely amazing knife!

Like your testing. Great info.

Thanks for the through test Jared.

I think the compound grind looks cool and is the main unique feature that drew my attention

Your freehand skills are pretty damn incredible man.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I have the SMKW Arctic carbon fiber magnacut and I hated it for about a week. After I broke it in and properly finished the scales, I’ve used it everyday since. I’ve stropped it a couple times but have yet needed to sharpen it so I can’t speak to the hardness but it came with a great edge out of the box and still going strong after 4 or 5 months of typical use. I’m still a fan of the bugout but the Deka MC is now my dedicated summer edc going forward unless Hogue releases the mini RSK in MC.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

that that would be awesome to see. glad your now getting to enjoy your knife, i know thats happened to me many times where i get something and dont really like it but over time i grow to love it, or change something and it makes the knife so much better

You can take the thumb studs off and put a Tritium Benchmade Bugout studs from Glow Rhino. I hate the blade coatings and especially on a steel that has good resistance to corrosion. I went with the stonewashed plain stainless. When that black coating starts scratching off it really bothers my ocd.

That's very nice great review

Good stuff here, Thank you for your time.

Thank you for doing what you do

My theory of the double grind: The far end is for slicing cardboard and food, while the near end is for pushing down for feathering wood and heavier work. Also, the coating may have come off because you were pushing down too hard through the cardboard. The edge at the tip is just like a box cutter, but with Magnacut steel. Super slicey, and it lasts ten times longer than a regular steel box cutter blade.

I swapped blades with my 20cv gmascus Deka, no problem. I think the lower hrc is good with the blade being so thin. They wanted to have more toughness.

About to get one of these. Memorial Day weekend finally scored one right before knife show 👍with OG scales equipped from brother Doody . Wonder if it will skid across or be softer? I wanted to say this is the first day I tried a diamond paste on the strop and so far I m impressed . I was using green and white polishing bars and the edge would be glassy but super sharp but with paste .5-1.0 micron the edge is sticky 😮which is what I want . You guys been saying it’s the way to get the edge super sharp . Sometimes I just like a toothy edge with no strop . I dull a lot of blades at work so this is why I’m into it . Haven’t used a utility knife for months now

I've got several rsk Ritters and one deka in 20 cv .I'm Very pleased with all my Hogue knives.! Great Bar locks ,sharpest factory Edge. My Hogues are g 10 .Very strong., ! Not impressed with the frn scales, I wouldn't swap G10 ,for plastic to get Magnacut 😉 For 20 C V with nice G 10 ...Great Test, more to my liking , very realistic for what we do ! Thanks Jared ✌ 😊. I watched the hole thing twice .

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I probably wouldn't either

I love my 4v mule. I use mine as a trout fishing knife it's wonderful. The deka I use at work it's good hold up.

Don't mind FRN if it's thick enough so there is no flex otherwise I'd prefer G10 or micarta. The knife itself is definatly a winner in design nice and lightweight, strong lock, and great for EDC. Happy to hear that you are satisfied with the Magnacut, yes it could be better but it isn't horrible either, hitting that solid middle ground. Burnt edges are a sorry but true fact of the modern knife production industry would love to see knife companies fix this one issue straight across the board. Thanks for the great vid Jerad and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Todd 🙏 and I agree some companies do frn better than others, and I'd also love to see more companies keep the blades cool during sharpening

@BOOSTEDLASER

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives FOR THE SAME MONEY AND SIZE...FAV 2-3 KNIVES? (S30V-M390 STEEL)

That compound grind is pointless, I would sharpen that blade just like any other sheepsfoot blade. And just get rid of the secondary tip, it's not useful enough for the extra effort. Great info about magnacut

I picked up this exact knife for like 107 on sale last month. I saw other reviews with the scale flex but I was expecting them to be much more flexible. You have to press pretty hard to flex them like you just did. I bought it to dye the scales red but haven't yet. Pretty killer knife especially for summer with light shorts. Super sharp out the box.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

sweet, hope it comes out good, and yes this is a great lightweight edc i just wish it had g10 or maybe liners possibly both i dont think the weight would matter that much being so little but i do understand counting everyl little bit and it mattering to some

@largeheartshark6491

Жыл бұрын

let's trade. mine flexes real easy lol

@fuelediowa

Жыл бұрын

I agree! Mine has a little flex.... But I am over here thinking MAN @NEEVES Got some grip strength going on over there. LOL

@largeheartshark6491

Жыл бұрын

​@@fuelediowa he really does lol . mine flexes a bit but nothing like what he showed

@GertTown

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives I don't know why they switched to polymer for the magnacut models when the others have g10. I'm sure they'll have upgraded models soon and plenty of people selling scales.

What do you suggest if i have a lanksy sharpener or something like that

The Deka is probably the only knife ive regretted buying. The more I use it, the less I like it. I got the same blade shape as this one, thinking im mostly doing utility stuff and whatnot, but that chonky part in the middle of the blade is really weird when slicing through stuff, it kinda gives you this weird resistance in the middle of the blade that doesnt inspire much confidence and makes it feel really inconsistent. Ended up grinding out both the chonky part as well as putting a regular belly on it. Also like you said, feels flimsy and quite frankly much cheaper than it actually is. The worst thing ive found with it is that its very prone to open itself inside a pocket, which ive never seen on other pocket knives before. Im aware that you can reverse the pocket clip and keep the blade "locked" against the wall of the pocket and all that... But I didnt expect this as its never been an issue before, and this knife took a chunk off my ring finger before I learned it. If you are using pocket knives on a daily basis, alot of us will just stick it in whatever pocket is available at the time. Having to undo the pocket clip, confine it to a single pocket, or otherwise babysit a tool, just seems unreasonable to me.

Ok thank God I’m not the only one who thinks it’s strange to have a thinner grind towards the tip. I always want the inverse, when I see this- I like a thiiiin slicer where I’m slicing and push cutting, and I want a thicker tip to avoid breaking a delicate tip in a drop or a little bit of rough housing or light prying (don’t judge me I know, I know). I understand having to have a more brunt tip when the grind is crazy thin, but the opposite makes no sense to me, aside from showing off the machining skills that could have been applied inversely. I’m probably missing something though. and I keep trying to figure out where the desire for a thinner profile at the tip. And the channels you mentioned are my go-to channels for over 4 years for steel-testing info.

@turing2376

Жыл бұрын

Yeah what you say makes sense, especially for a pocket knife, but in kitchen knives this can be very useful. Not sure if some of the same theory could apply with some pocket knives but I'm guessing it mostly for aesthetics

I honestly think they should've went all out with this Deka! Maybe at least two options. Option 1. G10 or Carbon Fiber option 2. Titanium everything!! If this knife was full titanium, titanium hardware, with magnacut steel it would of sold like hot cakes!! FRN scales are just absolutely horrible on a knife like this. If you're going to use a fantastic super steel like magnacut use fantastic materials to complement it!! Really like how you did this video!! More like this with the sharpening and everything would be really cool!

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

That would have been so badass, full titanium!

@zakariaott

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives Sometimes I wonder who gives the go ahead on knife designs at these companies. I feel like they totally disregard what the people want and end up making a flop.

Hi Jared, I’m doing a material properties engineering report for school and decided I want to chose blade steels as the topic. I was wondering if you know of any sources where I could get hard scientific data on different/common blade steels

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Knife steel nerds.com

I think I’m going to grab one of these here very soon. You can find one (v2) on the secondary for around $100

I gotta wonder just how much cheaper FRN is to utilize than G10 on these. I got the Acta Non Verba A100 in Magnacut, and they used really squishy FRN with half liners as well. When using a lot of force, it felt like it was biting into me just as much as it was the material I was cutting. Ended up donning some gloves to help with that. FRN/GRN isn't terrible if it's fully lined like Spyderco did with the Delica/Endura 4s, but it doesn't seem like many other companies want to do that due to the extra weight.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

It's a super tough steel so I don't know why they are putting it on so many lightweights, unless it's going to have some really thin geometry

You're awesome dude that was the deal breaker right there for me you can squeeze in the handles that's BS so they put some good steel on a piece of s*** handle

You like that DMD system a lot? Seen you use it several times. I have a worksharp guided sharpening system. Looks similar.

This or the lion steel nano for edc?

I got two of these Magnacut dekas, one clip point and one Wharnie and I love em. Im cool with the plastic handles & barely there liners.. it’s not meant for hard use. I got fixed blades for that 😌

Here’s to Tuesday cause Monday sucks. Stay sharp

Do you like this at 30 or 40 degrees inclusive for people who use a SharpMaker?

Interesting FRN, so bendable. I can't move the FRN on a Spyderco 3 lw. Must be different densities?

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

They are thicker on spyderco and they have a ridge making a boarder around them these are far different

I said it as soon as I got my two Subzero Dekas they feel great on the stones but they are without a doubt softer then my Mule team. I felt a slight difference between edge 1 and 2 in hardness but that's it was in good steel on edge two. The sharpens good, edge retention is respectable but it's clearly on the soft side AND my two subzero dekas feel softer then the later MC dekas I sharpened for a couple customers. I have tested it at F400, F800, F1200 and F1500 and to have that good aggression I like it at F400 and F800, it's going slick F1200 and F1500 glassy as hell. It pulls up a nice fine burr easily and deburrs on demand on the stone. I would really love it if it was a point to 1.5hrc harder

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Did you hear anything about them raising the hrc in the newer batches? I thought I heard something about them doing that I'm just not sure.

@sterlingstoots3215

Жыл бұрын

What angle do you use on you're Wharncliffe Deka please ? And Thanks

@moose2934

6 күн бұрын

@@sterlingstoots321518° - I know it’s an old comment - but 18° looks to be about stock on mine

What’s the best way to sharpen that blade? Mine appears to be two different angles. 25/17 maybe

@sterlingstoots3215

Жыл бұрын

That's what I've been trying to find out what the back angle I should use and what front angle I should use.did you ever find out ?

I hate you Jared, I hate your videos and I hate KZread. I hate KZread for obvious reasons. I hate your videos because the more I watch, the more I learn and realize I have a pile of scrap metal posing as knives, and now with a nearly full-blown knife fetish and addiction, I have to change from quantity to quality. I hate you, Jared because I'm learning how badly I'm hooked I am on your reviews and I might need professional help Keeo up the excellence! 💪❤️

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

❤️ 👊, stassa has some great therapy over on his channel 😆

Love mine I m a suckered for light light knife. Hogue new it there doing a sprint run on Doug Ritter RSK in magnacut and they bumped it up to 63-64 HRC the deka 61-63 we come to find out threw you and few other guys 64.5 the sweet spot for magnacut. Awsom video I was wondering how you would have went about doing full sharping on this knife. I haven't put edge on mine yet but have strooped it back few times.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

An Rsk would be badass at 63

@danachadwick4919

9 ай бұрын

All info I see listed 61to63

Hi 👋 Knife noob here, What's it called when the knife has the sliding button to engage and disengage the blade?

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Usually an axis lock but that's technically from Benchmade which was their lock, they don't hold a patent on it no more so many companies use it, or just call it a cross bar lock. If your speaking of the same lock that's on the knife in this video

For the price it's impressive in my opinion. Does it feel solid, like a long lasting knife? Enjoy steel test vids Alot. Cheers. The longer magnacut is around the more options we will have. Can't wait really. Cheers Jerad. 👍

They're compromises you make when a knife becomes super light and I think one of which is that you're not going to have a heavy use knife with no flex, but those are just my expectations.... Thanks 👍

RC blade works makes scales for the Gen 2

@Geishauser

Жыл бұрын

I got some, they’re awesome fwiw.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

oh thats badass i didnt know that thanks for the info

@malcolmholt2010

Жыл бұрын

ThX for the info, I wll for sure be getting some

I had that exact same model of the Deka, lost it yesterday and I'm not too upset. The plastic scales are about as cheap feeling as a $20 knife and the clip is weak (hence it now being lost). No idea why they opted to use this cheap handle on the magnacut version but I was not happy with the knife at all. If they release the Magnacut version with better scales I would re-buy it.

Can't what to get my deka magnacut with the wharncliff blade, I also ordered the og goat aftermarket aluminum scales, they have titanium ones too that really transforms the deka into a truly premium knife and gives that magnacut steel a real home worthy of its pedigree, might get the clip point too, idk yet

@NeevesKnives

9 ай бұрын

Yeah since this test they have raised there magnacut steel to 63 to 64 so it's way better

@danielabbott9312

9 ай бұрын

@@NeevesKnives yessir! I believe I read it was after the first batch they revised their hardening and brought it up to the sweet spot recommend by Dr. Larrin Thomas.

I hated the FRN scales, RCI bladeworks does micarta scales for the Gen 2 Deka now. I quit using it until I got those on it, significantly better in hand.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

That's badass, I put rc on my gb2

@mattnelson4317

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives Definitely, even with just the cartridge liner they're way more solid. Milling was spot on, it all dropped in and centered up no issues.

Would the drop/clip point be easier to sharpen?

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

i dont know about easier because this really wasnt difficult, with the clip point you still have to raise to hit the belly and tip. i this case you have a direct line when to raise. so its just slightly different. but some people might find it a tad easier

😂 “the results are in the pudding.” I fucking love that.

How good is 440c stainless steal

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

It's a great simple steel, some would say it's the bottom of the barrel of quality steels. It's a good budget steel

Bang!

I don't see how marking your finger and the blade helps you keep your angle. You can still change angles by way of pitch or yaw while keeping your finger on the same spot. I would like you to help me understand though, seems like a good trick to have.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

I have some full videos teaching it, check out my step by step freehand Sharpening video, you can pick different angles as well, but check out that video

@GerstBladeworks

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives will do brotha!

I love the knife but really hate how thin the blade is.

Hogue should have put a full liner under the FRN like Spyderco Delica, Endura, etc. Much more durable, less flimsy feeling.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

for sure and also used g10

@InsAznKlown3

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it seems to be the same issue I have with the bugout. The flex in the grip does not instill confidence

@daveharney2891

Жыл бұрын

The Fat Carbon knives fix the flex issue!

@doejon9424

8 ай бұрын

I think Hogue was smart for using FRN on the *Magnacut* model, to keep the cost down around the 20CV version in G-10. You do a quick blade swap.. You'll have no handle play at all. I swapped the 20CV on a Magnacut & then traded off the FRN/ 20CV version.

An interesting comparison would be Spyderco’s run of the mill S30V vs another manufacturer’s super premium steel like M390/20CV or Magnacut on a similar edge geometry knife. I think you’ve proven that the OEM’s heat treat makes more difference than the steel.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@jonthomas8487

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives I’ve carried my old 1990’s Benchmade 800 series AFCK since 1994. The previous round hole serrated blade tip broke and they replaced it with a partial serrated oval hole blade. It’s still a great knife. It’s as comfortable reverse grip as forward. I wish they’d bring that handle back. I’m considering a Spyderco Manix 2 S30 G10 though given it seems to be the most customizable

What is the HRC ? ON THE Deka

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

I'm not 100% I heard at first it was 61 to 62 but now I think they are raising it to 63 to 64

Do you like MagnaCut or CPM 20CV better?

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

It depends, If both were at it's best probably magnacut

I would love a g10 replacement scale for this knife. Anyone else kind of over axis locks?

@douglasbrmn2

Жыл бұрын

Are you over power steering? Any lock or mechanism that makes a tool easier to operate isn’t really something people get “over”.

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

someone said rc blade works has some for the gen 2

Nice knife, but the flimsy FRN scales are a deal-breaker.

I bet it cuts more than the houge 20cv/m390

When the F! are the Native 5s in Magnacut going to be available!?!!!!

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea

@FISHUNTREE

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives I know. But hopefully they watchin' and listenin'

@EDCandLace

Жыл бұрын

Trust me they know we waiting and drooling over them... spyderco and Triple B are building the heat treat protocol triple fricking B, prolly the best custom HTer in the world its between him and Mr Swiss himself. They are going to be giving us custom teir HTs on a production knife... from what Brown bear has said we are going to be in for a treat, if it's better then my MC mule ohhhh buddy we are really in for a treat.

I just got my magnacut deka yesterday and I have to say I was very disappointed in the overall feel of the knife. The handles make this knife feel cheap!

Wtf were they thinking with that handle material…?! How in the hell did that make it to production, very much a red flag IMO

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Yeah especially with a super tough steel

Bang

I can’t believe nobody is making scales for these.

@GerstBladeworks

Жыл бұрын

They look terrible that's why, just the whole design is poop

@Fly2kill1

Жыл бұрын

@@GerstBladeworks they look like a knife….

@GerstBladeworks

Жыл бұрын

@@Fly2kill1 correct. A shitty one

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

I think rc bladeworks is

@Fly2kill1

Жыл бұрын

@@NeevesKnives I seen you say that. It’s only micarta

I really fail to appreciate the advantage of having such an angled edge. How is it beneficial above and beyond a straight forward edge. Why Hogue why ?!

Am I the only one who HATES deep carry clips?? They’re harder to retrieve from the pocket and they twist when wearing light weight shorts. Very annoying.

@77530jp

7 ай бұрын

I agree. They should at least add jimping on the clip to make it easier to grab.

Third…

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Third place 🏆

Nah man 20CV all the way

Don’t get why so many people open their blades up with their middle finger. It’s much less control and just looks dumb

Scale flexing 😨!

That Diamond plate desperately sounds like it needs a good break in..!

@NeevesKnives

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's brand new

It has its market. It isn't the knife you want in a survival situation. But hey, everybody wants that "bug out" "para 3" business. I could careless about magnecut or a fidget factor. I'll take an endura 4 in k390 or even a chinese American Lawman over this anyday.