Great idea. Could you drill out the primer pocket with a 3/16" bit and use a 1/8" dowel to push wads back out. Maybe more wads could be cut before having to get them out. Shooting black powder that also smells like bacon, doesn't get any better than that.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

shellmaker10 - I like your suggestions. Will give that a try next time I do this...Have a great day, Steve

@wasntmeXYZ

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about exactly that too, bet that would work better!!!

@Dusty_Tucker

4 жыл бұрын

thats what i have done for mine haha! it works great !

@showproja

Жыл бұрын

No brainer.

Absolutely brilliant!

I use a case with a drilled out primer pocket and a nail to remove wads. A nail with a big head installed from the inside and a cork from a wine bottle on the point of the nail, works well for making grease cookies. Always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.

@wasntmeXYZ

4 жыл бұрын

Great idea!! Use a larger finishing nail head first with the point stuck in the cork.

I enjoy your content, subbed

Thank you for your continued experimentation and tips. Im sure I have loaded 100,000+ rds over the past 50 years, and your still teaching me. Thank God for powder coating its 99% of my shooting now.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Young - The PC is a fine way to go. We might still want to test shooting those with the wads as well - reason is that BP and subs have an early and steep pressure curve that is hard on the bases of bullets...The wad protects the bullet base from that - this is not necessary on smokeless loads as the pressure curves are later and progressive... Good shootin' to ya, Steve

@lessage760

4 жыл бұрын

Sir will you be making a video shooting this 45 loading so we can see the results with the 777

@jeffyoung6967

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC I dont load BP or substitutes in cartridge guns much, the exception being a rolling block. I have a good stock of vegatable fiber and felt wads, but the milk carton wads are great to keep lube away from powder.

Really good ideas grate video thanks

Great video! I like black MZ but same type of result! Fun cheap chootin!

I like and sometimes use 777. I still prefer actual black powder though. It's readily available where I am, and when if it ever ceases to be, it's easy enough to make my own. Love the channel sir. I've learned a lot from you over the years.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Olmstead - being able to make your own black powder is a tremendous advantage in very severe times....A fine Memorial Day to you, sir.... Steve

Awesome info as always Fortune Cookie!!! I thought about ordering some of this powder for 45 colt loads, looks like I will for sure now.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Steel Punisher 69 - The FFg is recommended for cartridges, but the FFFg has been used by many to good effect - but probably not to be used in old guns as the finer powder gives more power that might be too much for old guns. Good shootin' to ya, Steve

@jerrymont2595

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC Hey Fortune Cookie, in your humble opinion, can a .327 federal magnum cartridge be used in the .32-20 pistol and/or rifle? The size indicates so with the 32-20 being 5 thousandths larger in diameter and slightly longer than the .327 ????

@deandeann1541

3 жыл бұрын

Iirc .327 is loaded to too high a pressure and would be unsafe in a 32-20.

thanks steve very interesting

Steve - paper egg cartons make good thin wads. I chuck a punch to a hand drill or my drill press - no pounding needed - its quick too.

Great idea.

The sugar is also what makes Triple 7 hydroscopic

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

craig cook - Yes, indeed - the sugar is carbonized in the process of making 777 and all BP and subs are hydroscopic...The gun and brass are best taken care of promptly to prevent corrosion. Thanks for posting this for all to see, Steve

Great video sir I'll have to save this excellent stuff thanks sir

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Les Sage - Thanks for posting, good shootin' to ya, Steve

Thanks! 9mm Parabellum brass should have the correct mouth size to cut wads for my 1851 Navy.

I believe the same hole/punch technique could be applied to cutting sheet felt to make the lubricated wads. I'm gonna have to try this next time I take out my cap and ball revolver 🙂

I’m reloading on my lee turret as I watch this video:)

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Huntley - Thanks for posting, Jeff - and Good reloadin' to ya, Steve

Would you please please do a video on when wads and gas checks are required? And how to install gas checks?

Made a similar set up for a mate who does competes in SASS. Cut out 2 metal disks, slightly smaller than the case diameter. Drilled out the primer pocket, then welded and dremeled clean a stem to the first disk. Pushed the stem and disk though the case so the stem was out side of the case and welded the second disk to the top to make a little push button wad cutter. Cost les tha $1 AUD to make at the time. Not sure how you'd go about making it hitable with a hammer for thicker/harder materials, but it works if you just pushed down from the sides with enough pressure.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

cirvi17 - It never occurred to me to see if the push is sufficient to cut the wads - I went with the hammer as there are commercial wad punches that work with the hammer...they are on the pricey side, but obviously, they work well... Good shootin' to ya, Steve

GENIUS!

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Dave kri - Thanks, Dave....but let's remember that here in the US, we are all innocent until proven guilty. Have a fine, well and healthy season to you and yours, Steve

triple 7 is a really good, i use it in my 45-70 trap door with 57 grains of FFG and a wad. has way way less fouling, however i noticed that it does have more pressure, and i haven't used it in my toggle link 1873, or 1866 rifles yet, scared it might cause issues down the road. my guess is that it will be fine with a wad, i would just rather use Goex in my lever guns because of faster loading, and less prepping, and no chance of a pressure spike, but more cleaning haha ! good video !

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Dusty Tucker - Yes, for sure...777 does have more power and the FFFg even more. But since I shoot my 777 in Ruger revolvers and TC rifles, the extra pressure is a no problem... Plus, I do like the extra power anyway...With heavy bullets, the loads smack nicely downrange...Continued good shootin' to ya...your Goex is mighty fine (pardon the pun).... Steve

@deandeann1541

4 жыл бұрын

Dusty - try Old Eynsford - its real black that is as powerful as Swiss - it chronos near to 777, and burns a lot cleaner than regular Goex. If you reduce the load to match Goex velocity, it works out that it is no more expensive per shot than the regular Goex, but is much less fouling. In my percussion revolvers, it cleans a bit easier than 777 - I think you'd like it.

very nice wad idea. about the primers you find a way to reuse efficiently or recycle to manufacture

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

youel edemas - No reuse on the dead primers, they can be tossed in with all the scrap bullet jackets that go to the waste recycler... Have a great day, Steve

I use dippers and a funnel. Sometimes i have to modifie the dippers to get the right charge

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

3Eighties Opinion - Yes, indeed. I've found that the Lee dippers are readily modified - ordinary file does the job nicely. And I've got a lot of Lee dippers as each die set comes with one of those so I have a lot of extras... Have a great day, Steve

That is the press I've been using for over 10 years now. It does a fine job. Steve, I would like to know how to get and attach one of those dead primer collection tubes to my turret press. Can you help?

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Stinger45 - The spent primer collection tube comes with the press. If you need a replacement, a search for same can be done on the vender websites or Lee Precision can be contacte4 directly for that. Good reloadin' to ya, Steve.

Try the Unique-Tek “Perfect Powder Measure Adapter” for Lee powder funnels. Allows you to attach your RCBS powder measure directly to your Lee powder thru expanding die.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony Ruberti - AYK, there are a number of Lee powder measures that directly attach to the Lee powder thru expand dies. But the problem is that with the 4HTP,, the measure would be subject to the rotation of the die head and thereby get inconsistent packing of the powder. This suspension of the RCBS UniFlow obviates all of that... of course, testing of the die mounted measure might show no problemo, and a good thing... A very fine Memorial Day to you, Steve

@anthonyruberti2208

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure if rotation of powder measure is a issue if you have a baffle. It’s a nice way to use your RCBS powder measure with a Lee powder die. Happy Memorial Day!

Maybe you could remove the old primer and push out the wads by pushing a stiff wire or rod through the flash hole which could also be drilled out to a larger size.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

John Pokrzywa - Since each case lasts about 100 wads before we switch it out, drilling the primer pocket bigger for an ejection rod isn't worth the trouble to me. Simply prying them out causes no damage to the wads. But you or others might want to do the modification to try that out... Thanks for the comment and a fine Memorial Day to you, Steve

I'm getting more and more anxious to try blk powder guns and ammo. How goes everything down Calif. way ?

Triple 7 should be downloaded about 15% in comparison to BP or other BP substitutes such as pyrodex. Good stuff!

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

TurtleWolf Pack - Thanks for the information. Have a fine day, Steve

I know this an older video, so I don't know if you will see it. However I been having a bit of a question in my head as I am a black powder shooter for over 50 years. I've been switching over the last few years to 777 3f for my cap and ball revolvers, due to ease of availability and to save the real black powder for my caplocks, and flintlocks. Knowing that pyrodex is harder to ignite,( and is pure corrosive evil) leads to this question. Would hodgdon triple 7 stable enough to actually use the non black powder measure?

Great info as always. I haven't priced powder in ages. Is 777 any less expensive than smokeless handgun powder, or are you using it for nostalgia's sake?

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

TO - There really is a fun factor primarily to shooting black powder, and the 777 sub is the cleanest way to go...A fine Memorial Day to you, Steve

@troy9477

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC - Agreed. I have shot black powder with friends a couple of times over the years. Happy Memorial Day to you!

Would static be a problem dropping black powder through a plastic funnel?? Would bacon grease still work on a hot day? It’s melting temperature is pretty low... just asking not doubting the Cookie!!!

Fill shot bags with spent primers they make the most solid rest you will ever use

@jungleno.

4 жыл бұрын

Used corn cob tumbling media is even better!

Crisco is a slight mistake in many cases, it work it not the best. Strain the bacon grease and mix it 50/50 with beeswax. Crisco tends to react weird. It actually makes it a little harder to clean. it keeps the foweling very soft, true, but I've found it soaks more patches when cleaning. If your going to run a steady diet of BP, if suggest you season your barrel like a cast iron skillet for it. Takes time, but once your done, the barrel cleans up a ton faster and it's more resistant to the corrosive fouling.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Pat Putman - Thanks for the benefit of your experience and knowledge - this is good stuff... a fine Memorial Day to you, Steve

@yosemitepete4758

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. I posted above what product will do that for you. (Bore Butter) There maybe others but I'm not aware of them. So if anyone knows please share.

I have been using black mz powder in my old 32 revolvers-non corrosive and easy to clean- have to try triple 7.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

lngl wud - Didn't think black powder was non corrosive, but obviously, you are cleaning the gun soon after use anyway. You should find that 777 is even less fouling... Good shootin' to ya, Steve

@deandeann1541

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC Black MZ is another sugar based substitutte, I think it is by Alliant, and is discontinued. Sportsmans Guide sells it for $10/lb, but I think they're running out. Lots of people say its very clean, but it tends to produce low muzzle velocities. I though of picking some up, but hesitated because I can make BP for $5/lb with the Skylighter BP kit - I like real BP (especially Old Eynsford, which is very clean, high velocity similar to 777, and performs like Swiss) but I'm happy with 777, its pretty clean, and relatively inexpensive when you load by velocity.

Bacon grease I would be wary of because it often has a high salt content which could be nasty to some metals.

@JohnPork912

3 жыл бұрын

Good point should never use bacon grease as a lube for black powder shooting and this. Just silly.

Couldn't we just deprime the case and then drive the wads out using a small punch through the flash hole? Even if you needed to drill the primer/flash hole out to enlarge it to fit the punch or nail you have on hand I think that would save some time. Thanks for the tip as always.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

PatriotPreacher - Yes, you could do that. I'm sure the basic method here can be improved for sure..!! Happy reloadin' to ya, Steve

@thecainer64

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC God bless you for the wealth of knowledge you have been to me and so many. I started in my passion of reloading and bullet casting with you as my sensei! Wishing you the best, Chris!

When you load 777 do you follow the rule of not leaving space between powder and bullet and does these cork wads keep you from having to do so?

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

critter9a - Yes, the basic rule of no air space between the powder/wad/bullet implies most assuredly. Hodgdon has recommended that only thin wads be used with 777 or no wad at all. Good shootin' to ya, Steve

@critter9a

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC I use bp on my cap&ball guns and I also load bp cartridges to use in those guns. I tried 38 sp but it's too long for the 51 colt so in order to use same bullet cartridge in all my revolvers I just 38lc loaded with bp @ 20 gr which fills up cartridge enough with out filler or wad cards.

You could use the Lee auto disk

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

CG - Or even the Lee Auto drum as well. I'd have to test to see if powder jiggling causes inaccurate throws though, -- A fine Memorial Day to you, Steve

@christophergarrett2645

4 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC I use the auto disk all the time it is very accurate, but sometimes limits the powder throw due to dusk volume. Love your videos. Keep up the good work and happy memorial day.

I have never used a wad on pistol black powder and have never had a problem.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

TJ - And you should keep doing that since you are getting good results...I should test that out for myself... Continued good shootin' to ya, Steve

CAUTION: bacon grease has salt in it. Salt is hygroscopic, and will attract moisture.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

JAMES AYERS - Thanks for the heads up, all the more reason to clean the gun after shooting BP or subs ASAP anyway... Best to ya, Steve

a steel hollow pipe to make those wads can be bought in hardware store`s , and that works more handy .i think

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

peteralexben - No doubt if the diameter is right. Punch sets from Harbor Freight are also available, but the diameters aren't perfect. The 45 ACP casings are perfect and cost nothing. Hard to beat free... Best to ya through these tough times.... Steve

@yosemitepete4758

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC Free is always the best price like you say Cookie! LOL. For .36 cal BP Uberti 1851 Colt navy repro, to make wads I bought a punch from KMS tools here in Canada ( 3/8ths dia.) from their discount table for $2.50cdn. No muss no fuss. Sometimes you just gotta be lucky too and in the right place. With the punch, no need to wrestle the wads out from inside a case as the punch has an opening where they come out as you keep punching. But having said that I don't know if anyone makes a punch for .45 cal. that will suit the purpose. For those that want to know I use the F-1 SAE industrial wool felt. You can buy the felt by the roll like 6 ft long and 12 inches wide in a lot of cases. Not expensive either and churn out a couple thousand wads easily! Wool is the key here and lube it up with a little bore butter and it works like a charm. It sure beats smearing that crisco/beeswax mix all over the top of the cylinder as many BP users do to prevent chainfire. Also the crisco method is messy as hell and also turns the BP fouling into a sticky mess where biodegradeable bore butter does not chemically react with BP and makes the powder fouling super soft and amazingly easy to clean out. It also seasons the bore of your BP firearms much the same as an iron skillet. Hope this helps for those interested. Thumbs up to you Cookie for all your input and great knowledge that you share. A million thank you's sir!!

And iffin ya gots a lot if free time on your paws, hold on to them spent primers. With a wee bit of fine finagling and Cowboy Chemistry, you can 'reload" your spent primers with new compound. Just be sure to make em up in wee batches, and a might daintily. ^.-.^

@deandeann1541

3 жыл бұрын

You need to be a leprechaun to reload primers. My fingers are too big.

Should work well as a gas check on my lead 4570

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Paul305 - Hodgdon says, with 777 use only thin wads like these - no thicker wads are recommended. Good shootin' to ya, Steve

bacon grease will have lots of salt.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

Ghost Shadow - Good point. Crisco is the go... Thanks for posting, Steve

Steve, why use a wad at all? This was all figured out over 100 years ago. Use a soft lead alloy and soft bullet lube and you're good to go.

@FortuneCookie45LC

4 жыл бұрын

John Petty - I guess the idea was with black powder and subs, the wad can protect the bullet base from the thrust of the black, plus heat as the wads burn with black. Smokeless, any wads are basically undamaged. Since I'm getting good results with the little wad, I'll probably keep doing that - the Hodgdon tech said that if we wish to use a wad with 777, use only a thin one. Thanks for your comments - certainly, if a wad is not used, we have room for just a little bit more powder...hmmm..... Steve

@woodrowbrimm2805

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortuneCookie45LC The really important reason for using things like Bore Butter, waxed wads etc. is to prevent Chain Fires in Revolvers ,Fouling is only of Secondary importance . If you ever had a Flash Over set off 3 Chambers at once you would know what I'm talking about. Around 40 Years ago I had one in a Brass Frame 1851 Navy, it Stretched out the Frame/Base Pin so I had to get rid of the Gun. Plan old GEOX FFFg , .36 Cal..