He’s carrying the burden because all the other hisuian mons are busted

@jeremieprosa4653

Жыл бұрын

All others besides Typhlosion 😢

@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897

Жыл бұрын

Bro got nerfed in the same gen he was introduced😭 This is Unovan Zoroark all over again, except its Frisk.

@J242D

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremieprosa4653naw more like decidueye 🤔 typhlosion way better

@enderdudebruh8270

Жыл бұрын

​@@J242D HDecidueye can fold Gholdengo with Scrappy Close Combat or Triple Arrows

@thawsomepancakes3615

Жыл бұрын

@@enderdudebruh8270 it can’t lol, gholdy easily 1v1s it

Remember, a slow ice type is a dead ice type.

@counterjeet6375

Жыл бұрын

Weakness policy glastrier with chilling neigh was an absolute killing machine even if he was slow, it really depends on the mon.

@josephjoestar_

Жыл бұрын

​@@counterjeet6375 True, always depends on how you use the Pokemon

@priyamshome7005

Жыл бұрын

​@@counterjeet6375well even that is meant to survive one super effective hit and then OUTSPEED and sweep the opponent. So yh.... It's not viable without trick room or weakness policy agility sets

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, there is NU Glastrier

@DrCoeloCephalo

Жыл бұрын

​​@@josephjoestar_ It's really not about "How you use it" in a game as broken and unbalanced as Pokemon with a ton of overlap by design if another monster just gets better options to be used in the same way but just better. Glastrier can just fuse with Calyrex and use Glacial Lance and you get the gimmick of the slow bulky offensive Ice monster that punches holes in teams better than Hisuian Avalugg anyway.

I eagerly await the day where Game Freak decides to make an mixed offensive Ice/Rock type with a great movepool

@Reliztik82

Жыл бұрын

If we got a Pokémon with ice/rock type stab moves that were decent and had a speed tier of > 100 that Pokémon would actually be goated

@SilverHairedFreak25

Жыл бұрын

Now see the problem with that is Game Freak deluded themselves into thinking Ice and Rock are defensive typings.

@mafublog

Жыл бұрын

hisui avalugg in go is close enough to that, since speed tiers don't really exist. still has a really dissapointing movepool so i'm not sure why everyone uses it but to each their own :/

@ultimatehope549

Жыл бұрын

Weavile/Infernape 2.0 is what that sounds like

@psychopat4402

Жыл бұрын

@@Reliztik82 except bullet punch and mach punch are a thing…….most fast hard hitters have lower defenses so the punches would absolutely devastate them.

GF be like "ice and rock are both solid, sturdy things IRL, why not combine them into an even sturdier thing???" and just completely forget their own type chart

@Ichiyama22

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they just wanted to make a cool icecap pokemon and not worry about it's competitive viability. Pokemon are allowed to just look cool, aren't they?

@violebanshee

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ichiyama22 Sure but it's very clear they look into battle intent as there's an entire battle system... Even without a competitive stance they make you wanna shy away from using it because it's deadweight

@ByrneBaby

Жыл бұрын

@@Ichiyama22 I like flavor as much as the next guy, but there's plenty of cool and viable pokemon. They're not mutually exclusive. Hisuilugg could've been an offensive ice/rock with the same level of lore justification as it has now. Like maybe the rock typing meant it's muscles were sturdier and so it had an easier time moving faster before it lost that typing in the present.

@bigtoblerone8446

Жыл бұрын

Ice should resist BOTH ground and fairy

@ByrneBaby

Жыл бұрын

@@bigtoblerone8446 I like the way you think

Game Freak needs to learn that a slow and tanky ice type is just doomed to be bad.

@vexingdata2956

Жыл бұрын

But giving an ice type an ability called permafrost, where it reduces fighting, rock, and fire type attacks to be not super effective, would be a gamechanger.

@omarpride3021

Жыл бұрын

@@vexingdata2956 bro I like that idea

@estebanatachaoarguedas6321

Жыл бұрын

​@@vexingdata2956So basically Filter/Prism Armour for Ice Types

@sablesalt

Жыл бұрын

Avalugg is literally a functional slow and tanky ice type since gen 6

@estebanatachaoarguedas6321

Жыл бұрын

@@sablesalt Bruh… Avalugg was made dirty and keep like that forever. The only thing you can do with it is try to (emphasis: TRY) check your opponent's Physical Attacker to force an switch and that's it. - Only direct punishment to switch-in was Toxic (got removed in Gen9). No free turn hazard entry neither proper sabotage/support besides Rapid Spin (and how suck being an spinner weak to Stealth Rock). Not even a "hit hard" move until Body Press in Gen8 (and sometimes still underwhelming). - Unable to properly check a Physical Sweeper because ICE TYPE ONLY RESISTING ITSELF. Most cases of switching to Avalugg in order to save other 'mon ends up in sacrifice rather that walling (and Avalanche, Body Press, Earthquake, Rock Slide/Stone Edge and Iron Head/Heavy Slam being your only payback options doesn't helps a lot). - Its non-existent Special Bulk forces YOU to switch-out Avalugg or just accept you committed a mistake bringing it to battle at the moment your rival brings an at least decent Special Attacker. - Sturdy as an ability only exists as a reminder of the previous point. And who would try an Ice Body Stall on Hail when Toxic and Hail are no more? I swear: before Gen9, Avalugg was lucky enough to have Recover in order to see some viability in NU/PU. Without that its a direct candidate to Below PU (and its ranked as that in Gen7-8). Now is RU but obviously bc there is a lack of 'mons until Home arrives.

Gamefreak really made most Hisuian mons good but then decided to take the most dogshit Pokémon out of the bunch that got Hisuian forms and make it more dogshit

@SilverHairedFreak25

Жыл бұрын

All the flaws had to go somewhere.

@andrewpaschall8992

Жыл бұрын

​@@SilverHairedFreak25 they went to poor Electrode too :(

@cactneir

Жыл бұрын

​@Andrew Paschall actually electrode doesn't deserve that kinda abuse. It deserves a 130 attack stat and tm explosion.

@pokeaimMD

Жыл бұрын

Electrode got buffed tho. And actually makes it better lol

@wonderfulrose477

Жыл бұрын

We need more Justice for ice types 😭😭

Oh btw in case you wanted to run it in trick room, it’s Hisui form is also 10 speed faster from 28 to 38, meaning it’s actually worse at being a trick room mon since it’s speed is now higher than Amoonguss. Yeah, this poor thing gets outclassed by itself since it gets beat by a mon it’s supposed to check as an ice type.

@mipho5899

Жыл бұрын

You will never run regular Avalugg over Hisuian Avalugg in Trickroom because it is far faaar weaker. You don't waste your Trickroom turns for defensive Pokemon.

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

Which means that ironically you would never want to run any Avalugg in Trick Room despite their slow speed.

@connivingkhajiit

Жыл бұрын

@@mipho5899 max defense iron defense + body press avalugg csn hurt tho im ngl. It can take full close combats from some heavy hitters and hit back hard. Avalugg-H on the other hand...

@mipho5899

Жыл бұрын

@@connivingkhajiit without stab that move is way weaker then you think it is. Add the fact that you have no strong coverage because you have to invest in Defense you get yourself a pretty mediocre Trickroom Pokemon.

@connivingkhajiit

Жыл бұрын

@@mipho5899 maybe but after 1 turn of iron defense its already at over 1000 defense

One thing that COULD save it is if Gamefreak let it keep Ice Shard from PLA, while not huge it still gives Avalugg-H some small Niche over it's modern Kalos counterpart

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

So then it is far worse Mamoswine

@doozsromhacks

Жыл бұрын

It didn’t ?? Damn that’s so lame lmaooo

They should’ve given it Sheer Force instead of Strong Jaw for its new ability. It has so many moves that work with it.

@doozsromhacks

Жыл бұрын

100%

Gamefreak meeting: "hey you know that gen 6 ice type that's really bad? Yea the iceberg one! What if we made worse?"

Ice REALLY needs some good resistances to give Pokémon like Avalugg some actual bulk. Water, Ground, anything haha

@turkoositerapsidi

Жыл бұрын

Would make sense if ice would get water resist. Fairy resist would make sense as well considering those nature sprits get their powers from the life around them and extreme temperatures kill most life, fire/ice. Flying resist could make sense as well. Rock type would definitely make sense to resist electrick as well. Could argue for some other resistances for rock, maybe ghost or fairy, but i do not know if these would be the best ideas. Bug should resist psychic tho.

@Radiolonestar

Жыл бұрын

I find it crazy that we are 9 generations in an they still refuse to buff ice types the only thing they done is add snow which buff defense but that aint enough

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

They will buff Ice types in that chart when Pokémon is either in terminal trouble or when Pokémon is going to be unrecognizable from what it was even from now - in other words, when Pokémon is dying.

@turkoositerapsidi

Жыл бұрын

@@iantaakalla8180 I hope not.

@robertlupa8273

Жыл бұрын

How about Electric? Ice is a pretty bad conductor iirc.

The fact that you're calling Crabominable better than it really just goes to show how bad it is.

@milonchello1643

Жыл бұрын

It just has a superior offensive typing while making himself faster under trickroom, while also having better coverage.

@brandonespinoza9279

7 ай бұрын

It’s pretty good, actually, as my Brave (Speed at 0 IVs) Crabominable is a Trick Room offensive mixed wall, with not only Ice Hammer, but Drain Punch for STAB coverage and recovery, Bulk Up and Amnesia, for set up, and to take hits, left and right, while doing a lot of damage to opposing threats!

Why on earth would the secondary effect of Mountain Gale be flinch?

@christinefarrell6438

Жыл бұрын

In Legends Arceus it lowered action speed, they could have just caused it to lower speed by x number of stages. Still not great because Avalugg is so darn slow but better than flinch....

@apollochaoz

Жыл бұрын

It should have been 30% chance to freeze then it would be viable

@angry998

Жыл бұрын

Trick room

@robertlupa8273

Жыл бұрын

And why is it called Mountain *Gale* when it has nothing to do with wind?

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

I guess they needed a name that suggests Rock and Ice and gales can be cold?

If they gave ice resistance to either Dragon, Ground, Flying or even Water... It could mitigate that bad typing. Ice having no resistances is just trash. I never make a team with an ice type in my party.

@LNRspeaks

Жыл бұрын

I feel that with 3 or 4 resistances to water,flying and grass, maybe electric Ice would be so much better

@bluebird4614

Жыл бұрын

​@@LNRspeaks Grass itself is also a bad typing so giving it one more resisting typing is pretty bad. If anything Ice should resist rock or be super effective on it

@LNRspeaks

Жыл бұрын

@bluebird4614 Then change the grass resist to poison resist Rock and ice interactions make sense with ground types existing, so it's fine Poison is a very good defensive type 5 resists and 2 weaknesses, so changing is offense doesn't matter as much

@bluebird4614

Жыл бұрын

@@LNRspeaks But it's not that great on the offensive side and it's also weak to the most common spread move earthquake. Poison has only started appearing more on the competitive side because of Fairys. Also it only resists itself, grass and fighting out of which only fighting resistance is great Edit:forgot to add fairy and bug to the list. So yeah only fairy and fighting resist is helpful

@angry998

Жыл бұрын

Ice should resist normal and flying, just like rock and steel do

I know they won't do this, but it would be cool to see the frozen status condition changed to frostbite and be functionally the same as burn, but halving special attack instead of physical. If avalulg's signature move was adjusted to have a really high frostbite chance (50 or so) it might have an interesting niche with assault vest. Or maybe not, I don't play competitive.

@robertharris6092

Жыл бұрын

Theyd need to add new moves tocactually gi e pokemon the status. Since its really hard to freeze pokemon.

@terrance3218

Жыл бұрын

​@Robert Harris And Freeze is broken. You can't move at all unless you use a Fire move.

@robertharris6092

Жыл бұрын

@@terrance3218 but were not talking about freeze.

I went the entire playthrough of PLA thinking Hisuian Avalugg was an Ice/Steel type. I thought that because shiny Hisuian Avalugg's mouth plates turn orange (previously being silver). The orange meaning that the "iron" faceplates rusted and turned orange. It makes sense to me!!!

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

If Hisuian Avalugg were Ice/Steel, it would still suck because there is no Ice type, Rock type, or Steel type that would have that distribution and work.

@MistaFinni

Жыл бұрын

@Ian Taakalla I wish ice was good man :(

@eggroll3055

Жыл бұрын

​@@MistaFinni ice is an incredible offensive typing, but defensive... Never.

@MistaFinni

6 ай бұрын

​@eggroll3055 the hail rework in question

I'm surprised he didn't say something like: it has the highest base attack and defense of all ice/rock pokemon.

@xtrahannibal9283

Жыл бұрын

He didn't say so because Pokémon like Tyranitar have better attack, and Pokémon like Regirock have better defense. R3tard.

@Celesteel0774

Жыл бұрын

It's competition is what, Aurorus? 😭

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and he can also say that with a straight face without compromising the fact that Hisuian Avalugg sucks

Is ZU ready for Hisuian Avalugg???

@nikzito2

Жыл бұрын

dude avalugg was already untiered last gen in zu this thing will be so horrendous down there

@senny-

Жыл бұрын

Reminder that Glastrier dropped all the way to PU last Gen despite being a legendary. Hisuan Avalugg, I highly doubt it would be higher than PU.

@angry998

Жыл бұрын

Do you really need a lower tier than pu? I mean, half of the pu mons are nfe lol

@nikzito2

Жыл бұрын

@@angry998 whenever both dlcs drop there will be a lot of fully evolved untiered mons and playing in a format like that is kinda fun but even then zu isnt official (for now?) so its not like it matters a lot

@loganmarano9532

Жыл бұрын

H-Avalugg might unironically make nu cuz it’s a fully evolved spinner

Would have been nice if they gave it an ability that reduces super effective moves damage by .5. could have kept all the weaknesses but still remain relatively tanky

@doubl2480

Жыл бұрын

Something like Solid Rock but better?

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is that GameFreak can afford Hisuian Avalugg to run that since, like Frosmoth, it will be the one Pokémon who will never be able to make good use of its unique ability, and solely will exist to be a banned ability in any Smogon meta where swappable abilities exist, so it literally would never see any competitive play in any meta.

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

(I see that Frosmoth is doing nicely in Paldea but that’s because a lot of Pokémon were nerfed and it has Tera types that force 50/50s.)

Whoever at GF looked at Avalugg of all Pokemon and decided that he needs to be _worse_ needs to never be allowed to cook again

@isaacsimpson8098

Жыл бұрын

really could've just removed the ice type and it would've been an unstoppable physical wall... or buffed it's speed...

@TheEnigmaticBM39

Жыл бұрын

​@@isaacsimpson8098 that's true

Going off of the P:LA effect, Mountain Gale should have been changed to a 120 bp move that reduced the user's Speed by 2. That way, despite having more Speed than its normal counterpart, it would be more suited to Trick Room by letting itself get faster every turn. An ability that actually interacted with its signature move would have also been nice, but what can you do.

Ironically this mon would be utterly welcomed by players of tiers below NU, because they would gain an additional spinner which is not an NFE

@zelz3011

Жыл бұрын

I would love that.

@kaiju3646

Жыл бұрын

plus despite its bad typing, 127 atk 184 def pokemon could wall some Nu phyiscal attackers after a terra

@avaluggglazer445

Жыл бұрын

​@@kaiju3646 Is NU a tier above or a tier below PU if it's above PU then it can get hit with a drain punch from slaking or crabominable

@kaiju3646

Жыл бұрын

@@avaluggglazer445 i did say terra, terra fairy or ghost could be nice on this guy to trap those physical attackers

@avaluggglazer445

Жыл бұрын

@@kaiju3646 Tera fairy would be better than Tera ghost since slaking runs night slash more often than iron head (if it learns it) from what I've seen

I love all this coverage of the Hisuian Pokemon because I’ve been psyched for how they will handle in competitive once available. Thank you for doing this series. Every one is PERFECT!

On the bright side, terastalization exists, so you'll have access to a Strong Jaw boosted STAB crunch. It can be a pretty good wallbreaker with choice band

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

And that will depend on a move missing which won’t happen when you know to use a special move on it.

"How can we improve this pure ice type with awful defensive match ups" "Give it the other type that has a lot of weaknesses!"

I actually honestly believe that when they create Pokémon, they don’t look at the competitive seen, or how to make it good in a meta-game.. they just come up with an idea and create it.. competitiveness is the last thing on your mind. You can tell that with some of the Pokémon did they create it’s either crazy underwhelming or wildly overpowered… some of these Pokémon it’s either their stat distribution… they’re typing, their move set, an ability, or a combination of all of the above.

@TWLSpark

Жыл бұрын

I think that's true for a high majority of Pokemon, but some are undoubtedly geared towards competitive usage - Zacian is a prime example of it, being the most min-maxed Pokemon of the entire series.

@rorbot_SMF

Жыл бұрын

Well, here's something to think about. Originally, we were only supposed to be able to trade in Pokémon, but trainer battles were eventually added. So players want a company that's been kinda just talking a leisurely walk with Pokémon to suddenly start running. To me, it's fairly obvious that design choices tend to be for the story mode first.

@dayshonsmith1485

Жыл бұрын

@@TWLSpark I don’t know about Zacian anymore tho bro. They NERFED him pretty big now. Brought down his base attack stat, and change his ability to getting a boost ONCE a battle. Now Koraidon & Miraidon are possibly the strongest, Pokémon now! With their strong signature moves, their abilities that boost the power of their moves, and the ability to hold an item which can also boost the Power of their moves…. Mannnnnnnn

@eggroll3055

Жыл бұрын

​@@dayshonsmith1485 sounds like groudon and kyogre, tbh.

@VenoMantis

Жыл бұрын

@@TWLSpark if you look at Zacian another way it kind of confirms their point, if GameFreak was more surgical about designing these mons for balance they would not make Shield Dog 100x worse than Sword Dog. like it's pretty blatant, just as they don't care if a mon is underpowered, they don't put THAT much effort to safeguard from an OP mon either. like they try a bit, but for real they really did just go "ok if dog 1 is attack, dog 2 is defend" like it's at all even lol.

Us avalugg fans stay losing

I honestly forgot that hisuian avalugg existed tbh

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

And you should. It is literally created to be an imposing Noble Pokémon for the Alabaster Icelands and that’s it.

I swear, Ice is like the throwaway type of the Pokémon world.

Y'all ever wonder why Rock and Ice have so many weaknesses?

@zkdelta8014

Жыл бұрын

Because there is unfortunately a lot of existing types in Pokemon that screw over rock types and ice types, which all make sense in real life

@LegendaryCaptain

Жыл бұрын

​@ZKDelta same with Grass too those ones are especially obvious with fire burning grass, ice freezing grass, bugs eat grass, birds eat grass, and weedkiller

@senny-

Жыл бұрын

Rock was the first boss type in Gen 1. It was meant to teach new players that they can't just spam Tackle all the time. Rock had great type advantage against common early route Gen 1 mons, too. Ice was also the only weakness of Dragon in Gen 1. Dragon was meant to be the strongest type in the game, so, to make them more powerful, I think Gamefreak made Ice-types crappy on purpose, with most of them having awful stat distributions.

@LegendaryCaptain

Жыл бұрын

@Zad Rasera II 🐁🌸 ice definitely needs another resistance also I have a theory that ice was a very last minute type in gen 1 originally being part of water think about it not a single pure ice type, most are water/ice and two of them don't become ice till they evolve, jynx was probably planned as pure psychic and articuno was probably planned as water/flying and the water/ice trio was probably going to be just water

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

I also fully believe Ice is a mistake. It literally only does well in Kanto and that’s because nothing that threatens it exists. Ice types have the best Blizzard, which ruins Rock types that are not the Mt. Moon fossils (and those fossils are not that powerful) and Rock types can’t reliably hit Ice types. Fire types do not resist Ice types. Fighting types that are not Poliwrath suck. Steel does not exist. Guess what four types are buffed and/or introduced starting in Gen 2, and continue to get better as time goes on?

Quad weaknesses to fighting is a big Tyranitar moment.

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

And yet Tyranitar had the one thing that made it pretend it was physically bulky, Sandstorm summoning. Ice types never get that sort of defense boost, and Frosmoth does not count.

If I remember correctly, they also took Ice Shard from it, right?

@fractalisomega9517

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully GF will tweak it's moveset back soon

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

They won’t. They hate any Avalugg form and Hisuian Avalugg proves it.

@fractalisomega9517

Жыл бұрын

@@iantaakalla8180 I remember seeing it for the first thing and thinking it had potential to be another Ice/Ground type that could specialize as a physical wall

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

Mamoswine had actual decent mixed bill and priority moves. If Hisuian Avalugg is Ground/Ice it would never be used anyways because it has no priority or bulk.

Avalugg is one of my favourite mons They did my boy dirty

I always forget rock resists poison

H-ava: I’d be a god if I didn’t have this damn rock type Bastiodon: first time?

@robertlupa8273

Жыл бұрын

Nah Bastiodon would still suck

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

As would Hisuian Avalugg. They are in the same league.

"Not even in your dreams, Avalugg."

Seriously, what were Gamefreak thinking? Making this Pokémon worse than its original incarnation by combining two types with terrible defenses and a signature move that it can’t even use because it’s slow as hell? Does someone in the staff hates Avalugg with all his/her might?

@Arknautikore

Жыл бұрын

The same person who has a vendetta against Regigigas probably

@sreenaths6829

Жыл бұрын

He should have been Ice/Ground.

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

And it still would have not been worth it.

Bro who tf thought that giving a slow pokemon signature move with a chance to flinch is a good idea. That's just trolling 😭

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

The same people who give a fast Grass type Mycelium Might, but at least there they have the excuse that Gholdengo and Garganacl exist. Also the same people that keep Ice type overall, the same people that keep Rock type overall, the same people who made the Gastly line, the same people who made Zacian and Mega Rayquaza and Eternamax Eternatus, and the same people who made Sleep Talk access Revival Blessing. And those are just the obvious stuff from the last two generations.

I await the day we get a strong Ice/Rock type that takes advantage of Slush and Sand Rush

The Sp. Def is lowered by 10 base points just so it can have base 38 speed, and not base 28 speed.

Avalugg: "I get a Hisuian form? This is so exciting! My stats are really cool but my typing lets me down so much! Ice just has so many weaknesses!" GF: "Yeah! A new form, higher attack, a signature move, a secondary typing, and a new ability!" Avalugg: "Yesss! It's everything I ever wanted!" GF: "So... Enjoy your new rock type! Byeeee!" Avalugg: "Wait, what?"

It also doesn’t help that mountain gale can MISS. Meanwhile Double Iron Cash is stronger, has a higher flinch chance AND can’t miss.

I remember having a long argument with someone who argued vehemently that it was an upgrade from Avalugg whilst I was defending that Avalugg at least ..... is useful and saw some legit uses in OU despite it's bad typing, but H-Avalugg has a typing so irredeemably terrible that it cannot even begin to make use of it's gargantuan physical bulk and great utility movepool like Avalugg does and it's offensive side is so flawed that it does not even begin to matter to compensate, notably because it's so slow it necessitates either TR (extremely niche and risky strat and if you do use it H-avalugg is close to the bottom of who you'd pick) or take a hit first and in that case Mountain Gale is useless and you'd rather run Avalan he which Avalugg already does quite well. And if you HAVE to use your Terra for your mon to be viable, it's not a good sign, but even then why would you wasted your Terra on H-Avalugg? Why use it on it when there are 2000 different better uses for it. I'm sorry, I should stop now but this mon makes me angry with how poorly designed it is, I legit wish it were a pure Rock type, still bad but at least it would have been better and would have suffered less from the comparison with Avalugg (and probably would indeed have been better)

God they did my boy so dirty

I think this mon in terasteel can be good

Meanwhile Hisuian Zoroark got the best type combination ever. Terastralizing it at all would be giving it a disadvantage

They could have given it more special defense to go with all those weaknesses but gamefreak be gamefreak

My only hope is that mountain gale and the other hisuian signature moves eventually become learnable by other mons. Because that move in VGC could be insane

James baek over here like "nah, I'd win with it"

The only use i see for this guy is in reverse double battles

Plain and simple it has the dual typing of rock and ice and is slow and is dead when up aganist a special or mix attacker

Hisuian Avalugg is the literal embodiment of a “Glass Cannon”.

Hisuian Avalugg may be bad, but he do look pretty cool

My friend heard the weakness while I was watching and laughed, (he doesn’t play Pokemon he just knows that is bad)

this is how i know i haven't caught anything in the ice area my ass didn't even know it had a different form

If they gave it technician and a little more priority moves, maybe we can see something

Gallade: *wanna watch me do it again?*

YUNG STONG JAW CHOMPING FOR THE BREAD

He's a literal glacier and they gave him a flinching move???

Sees typing for the first time *Cries in close combat, earth power, mach punch, and earthquake*

Pokemon go: let me just discard your shields here

There’s a reason you don’t see hisuian variants in the present Pokémon world and this is one of the more obvious

>has a move that makes enemies flinch >is one of the slowest pokemon

Pokemon Company: try not to make a "defensive" ice type challenge IMPOSSIBLE (GONE WRONG)

Showdown nat ag: "am i a joke to you?"

I forgot this thing even existed lmao, thanks for reminding me

5:15 So like City Trial in Kirby Air Ride

Shuckle deserves a paradox form. It’s the exact same but has Blissey’s HP.

I just came here to say h avalugg is a good boy and he’s doing his best

I never knew this pokemon existed since a few seconds ago

The rock typing does give it a Sp.Def boost, and maybe assault vest could give it a boost too, but I don't know if that'll help

Ice rock attracts bullet punch like a magnet

Even funnier that they buffed its speed over regular Avalugg, making it worse in trick room, while reducing its already abysmal sp.def which only makes it frailer

All hisuian pokemon : being most used in turnament Hisuian Avaluug : *some one in the eye i on you side music*

Now we have 2 bad ice and rock types, aurorus and hisuian avalugg. Ice and rock needs justice

Me, attempting to manifest Game Freak giving this thing Accelerock:

If Hisuian Avalugg just kept Ice Shard, got a Rock type version of Psychic Fangs and Ice was made to resist Ground, Flying and Dragon, then it would probably be pretty good.

I was today years old when I found out hisuian avalugg existed. I’ve been playing pokemon since gen 2 and am a vgc player and still didn’t know that

My loaded dice avalugg would like a word

Hisuian avalugg should be an ice/steel type because of the steel on its jaw.

Forgot to mention it's abysmal Special Defense. If it is somewhat usable that's gonna be it's biggest challenge

the day gf finally decides to give the ice type...i dont know, a resistance other than itself... ill rejoice

Drednaw: rock type with Strong Jaw. _Signature move is dark type_ H Avalugg: rock type with Strong Jaw. _Signature move is not bite-related_ GIVE US A FREAKING ROCK BITTING MOVE ALREADY!

@Uohhhh777

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If they wanted to give it tyranitar would gotten first

Hopefully you do stantler evo soon. Trying to see how it will hold up

i dunno, i'm actually kinda interested in throwing it on a hail team with Ice Body. you could do that with Avalugg classic, but this one gets stealth rock and stab on rock moves, which could be nice... in theory.

i think the big thing that will make hisuian avalugg viable is the bonus defense from snow, its really helped out a lot of ice teams perform better, its not enough to compete with other weather teams that can easily counter the snow, but its still helps counteract the huge number of weaknesses the ice type has

A simple thing they could do to make it better is making an ability that relates to those plates it has around it's mouth, like idk, being able to move through any terrain? So it takes half the damage from grass, water and ground type moves? To make it better they could make it so all of his moves destroy terrains

these shorts are so sick

I keep forgetting that rock doesn't resist bug 😅

Game Freak has tried so hard to make a viable slow defensive Rock-type and they did it with Garganacl Hopefully they do something like Garganacl but Ice-type

@iantaakalla8180

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And that required minmaxed defenses, an ability that confers an extra type resistance and the ability to not be statused, and the best way to wear a Pokémon down over time in Salt Cure that also punishes Steel and Water switch-ins. This all means nothing - Garganacl is the exception that proves the rule. Ice types are even harder because that would require nice speed, just as much minmaxing, the ability Filter, and some other secret sauce that allows it to differentiate itself from a normal defensive Pokémon.

Imagine taking one of them worst defensive Pokémon and making it even worse

why do they KEEP TRYING to make defensive ice types?! literally the worst type to do that with, no matter what you pair it with, its going to have too many weaknesses to be good.

@iantaakalla8180

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They think they can, and they peaked with Calyrex-Ice Rider.

@TheAuron32

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@@iantaakalla8180 im out of the loop, is it good?

tera dark h avalugg with crunch could work

They have given him the solid rock ability to offset all of his new weaknesses 😢

And yet, it's also an entire frickin glacier in arceus...

Just bc she isn't good in competitive doesn’t mean she's bad. I really like avalugg :)

A good candidate for the case that Pokémon with multiple 4x weeknesses should have an ability that halves the damage of super effective moves.

I think one thing to consider as well is that it benefits from both Snow and Sandstorm

I love regular Avalugg, unironically, and used him for my comp team for gen 8, but H avalugg is such a disappointment with how many weaknesses it has

It could probably be fun to use in a double weather comp, but must be hard to make it work