You cannot write the history of the NBA without Lebron James....no matter HOW you feel about him. He IS a legend of the game.

@EmmanuelStalling

Жыл бұрын

Facts. The hilarious part is the amount of young casuals who call him a bum, but also place him as the 2-3rd best player ever.

@chuckd1586

Жыл бұрын

Sure you can... and 18 year old millionaire calling himself the king? Calling himself the greatest 13 years into his career? The media has sold this guy from jump street... he's ok! He is great but nothing spectacular except what the media tells you he is! Like right now... every dunk has to be ON MY GOD, LABRON AT 37.. SHOWING UP THE LEAGUE? THERE'S MANY MANY PLAYERS PLAY AS LONG, PLAY AS HARD, AND DO MORE! It's jus packaged for Labron atm! Kareem played 20 years, his points lack 3's... Labron catching him isn't all that impressive! When Curry, Klay, and others reach their retirement? The point totals will be crazy... Labron is an average athlete with all the media behind him! Yes been force fed to you... 🤣 hes great but nothing special!

@darwinkirknessia1089

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckd1586 tell mw a player who can play like him,and as effective and intelligent as him..and as CONSISTENT as him?..is there a player who average 28-30pts ppg from day one until 20th season?you dont know how to play basketball it looks like easy but it's not...

@ala2417

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckd1586 All I can do is laugh at your comment….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Revelatixn

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckd1586 probably the worst take ive ever seen LOL who at the age of 38 is putting up 29 PPG? name me one player that "PLAY AS LONG AS HARD/DOES MORE"? I'm not the biggest fan of lebron after his "im the greatest" take but you cannot deny his longevity, and sheer impact on the court. Still a top 5 player in year 20...

The craziest part to me, besides the points, is that he will also finish top 5 all time in assists and top 10 all time in steals as well. This man is from another planet.

@chili015

Жыл бұрын

He's also currently Top 10 in three-pointers and has a decent chance to get into the Top 5 (he's 249 behind Korver at the time I'm writing this). Guys like Klay, Paul George, and KD will eventually pass him if they can stay healthy (and then maybe way down the line, Trae Young)... but it's not unrealistic to think he'll sit in the Top 10 of this category for a long time as well.

@raywilson3362

Жыл бұрын

And top 10 in steals

@damonlaw8218

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget 30k 10k 10k only player ever

@GeronimoPlaz

Жыл бұрын

@@damonlaw8218 He will forever be the only member of the 40k 10k 10k club

@GeronimoPlaz

Жыл бұрын

He is a real-life Primarch. Google it lol

Chuck makes a good point. At 18 years old LeBron was as good as advertised when he came into the league. I've never seen another player in any sport come in with such high expectations. And to do what he has done so far in his career is incredible.

@pitrson666

Жыл бұрын

and he actually surpassed those expectations

@bolder2009

Жыл бұрын

Pele at 17 (before my time). Maradona, Ronaldo (Brazilian) and Messi. All were as good as advertised as teenagers who went on to Mount Rushmore status in their sport.

@pitrson666

Жыл бұрын

@@bolder2009 and why are you talking about football?

@bolder2009

Жыл бұрын

@@pitrson666 Because the original comment of this thread made a point that he or she had "never seen another player in ANY SPORT come in with such high expectations." I gave examples from another sport.

@JohnDoe-pk6fm

Жыл бұрын

@@bolder2009 either way even in middle school he was getting hated on and in high school was called the chosen one he was just supposed to come into the league and be great

We can argue this all day but at the end of the day they are all legends.

@tylergrant6853

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! at the end of the day we don't know, it's what we feel and everyone feels different

@Bungycb

Жыл бұрын

Lebron would average 50 in Jordan’s era

@bellardo227

Жыл бұрын

only MJ fans always want argue / debates we just need appreciates this two as a great Legend in this League! LBJ 40Kpts, 10Krebs, 10Kassts.. and many times they took his Teams into Finals - NOT BAD at all but MJ Fans - always said Dont count it.. dont count it.. just MJ 6x Rings

@Theyaintme_cb6

Жыл бұрын

@@Bungycb And Jordan would average 50 in this soft no hand checking era 🤷🏾‍♂️ so your point?

@gswonlocks

Жыл бұрын

@@Bungycb Not a chance

An all time great chasing another all time great. When LeBron passes Kareem it will be an incredible moment.

@solidstudd22

Жыл бұрын

Stephen Curry is the Best NBA player as of now. Le-Bum James is straight up garbage.

@bitcoinethereum9702

Жыл бұрын

STOP comparing the 2, LeBron dominated a creampuff social media cuck era, where Kareem had to fight through the civil rights movement.

@THE-NC2

Жыл бұрын

Fax and no-one will ever be able to chase Lebron’s #1 All-Time scoring title

@geeerwin

Жыл бұрын

And it's sad that Kareem's kinda salty about it too.

@kghd2647

Жыл бұрын

hopefully he passes him with a Sky Hook

This really puts what Kareem did into true perspective.

@jimmykarlsson2567

Жыл бұрын

That's why I always had him 2nd

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

He also played in a significantly harder era(s)

@chadbutler8634

Жыл бұрын

@@Barnabus007 did he play in the 90s👈🏾

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

@@chadbutler8634 No man he retired in like 89. The 70 and 80s were crazy physical. I think the 90s were as well, but not like the 80s.

@chadbutler8634

Жыл бұрын

@@Barnabus007 😂 what 90s were the best era .

Barkley May not have won a NBA championship when he played , but he’s the champion of NBA commentary - in fact there should be a NBA commentary award named after Sir Charles -

@fukdpopo5869

Жыл бұрын

Lol he has a great humor , a troll sometimes,that it. Skip is the GOAT 😆😆😆

@jay4cee

Жыл бұрын

back in the early 90s, there was an award called All - Interview team.. Chuck was like the leading vote getter every year

@sakshamgulati2007

Жыл бұрын

You mean Broadcasting/Media Personality coz he doesnt commentate

@emilkoch4098

Жыл бұрын

@Trolling4ass I wish he would have called more NBA games during his broadcasting career. His commentary alone makes NBA games worthwhile watching.

@edjames7954

Жыл бұрын

He wasn’t right about LeBron not having any struggles (or “growing pains”) when he arrived in the league. His shooting percentages were not good in year one. After that he was cruising toward greatness, but people forget his first year wasn’t pretty.

They had a meaningful and engaging discussion debating such a hot topic - WITHOUT putting anybody down. That's how you do it. Best show in the business hands down

@simenfalkenas6601

Жыл бұрын

Ye their all respectfull shen it comes to eachother and the players they are debating, Skip and Shannon for example is just one meatrider and one hater.

@mauricerhodes1756

Жыл бұрын

@@simenfalkenas6601 you must be 12, Chuck has gotten into it for disrespecting Iverson, Bron, Dray you name it....... if Shay is a meatrider what do you call the guy who said the Warriors would never win a ring?

@msj7973

Жыл бұрын

Much better than Skip Bayless...

Imagine if he do the sky hook to pass his record lol

@teecogotem

Жыл бұрын

Lol that'll be crazy

@fukdpopo5869

Жыл бұрын

Half court 3 would be better

@730FlightRisk

Жыл бұрын

That’ll be hard 😂😂😂😂

@lucky889s9

Жыл бұрын

He's never done a sky hook, so it will certainly clank

@hippieseven5582

Жыл бұрын

Got to

Let’s cherish every moment while LeBron is still in the league. He’s a very rare player.

@Mjc100

Жыл бұрын

1 of 1

@Rome6601

Жыл бұрын

🧢

@bryanreynolds4915

Жыл бұрын

I still think MJ is the best player that I have ever seen. But I agree, we will all miss Lebron when he is gone...

@Jo3Black78

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanreynolds4915 By far 😂 But I respect LBJ for His training ethics, for the way he tooked care of His body…and so on

@ismaelreyes6494

Жыл бұрын

I cannot all star team losing with the goat i their team thats awful to watch just resign after he pass kareem

Sooo happy these 4 are back.

LeBron has earned every accolade, I'm glad Kareem is still with us and hopefully he will be there to pay tribute. Kareem is a great man on and off the court, he is a worldwide treasure.

@kevindiaz575

Жыл бұрын

Kareem is a great man. Unfortunately, the one black spot for him is his treatment of LeBron James I doubt that Kareem will be there to pay tribute. Maybe he treats LeBron like that, because he knew that this day was coming.

@f.a.f.ocalitodewhatsrighti3365

Жыл бұрын

KAREM WENT TO COLLEGE LEBRON DIDNT IF HE HAD HED BE NO WHERE NEAR KAREEM le China James is just a dumb circus animal. He's. The greatest player who needed great players around him to be called great everything has been given to him. Given not earned

@MrBleedforme

Жыл бұрын

You sure every accolades? How about dpoy?

@donaldmartin7500

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBleedformeu had to google and check first. Marc Gasol got his mvp.

@shinobehoward253

Жыл бұрын

Not really Kareem’s record isn’t really in jeopardy because back then you couldn’t go straight to the nba. You had to go to college 4 years if Kareem came in at 18 his record would never be broken so you have to go by how many games they played

Wilt was a Laker when he got the record. Kareem was a Laker when he got the record. Lebron is a Laker and will get the record.

@augustinechoi9868

Жыл бұрын

f**k lebron . kareem didnt go to 3 teams

@egizabhiryemesgen1888

Жыл бұрын

LeBron will leave soon. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

@Vortex__24

Жыл бұрын

Wilt is the goat

@sirosis7858

Жыл бұрын

and Lebron couldn't carry those two guys' shoes.

@ashkev01

Жыл бұрын

Illuminati 😂😂

TNT producers knew what they were doing when they made LeBron bald at the comparison 😂😂

@arvindhmani06

Жыл бұрын

That Kareem armchair is also a nice touch 😂

I've been watching the NBA since the late 80's. I told a friend of mine, way back, that nobody is passing that Kareem record because of the number of productive years a player has to play. I'm glad to have been proven wrong.

@diffuser2459

Жыл бұрын

4 year head start straight out of high school in the weakest nba era.. Record stood no chance. period.

@dusk6159

Жыл бұрын

@@diffuser2459 The 2000s were the toughest NBA era and those Cavs were the most dreadful team you could possibly have.

@diffuser2459

Жыл бұрын

@@dusk6159 lol got anymore jokes?

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

@@dusk6159 yeah I mean I don't want to say you don't know what you're talking about because you might be a great basketball fan but you're just wrong it's kind of opinion it's just wrong

@Drknight1212

Жыл бұрын

@@diffuser2459 ppl forget how hard it is to last this long in the league. Then having to be ELITE for this long too is another aspect. Yes he did get a head start but he had to put in the work too.

Game one and Kenny is in mid season form of making absolutely no sense 😂😂😂

@lucky889s9

Жыл бұрын

Kenny is always bullshitting around. Either non sensical, or obvious facts just to look smart. TNT messed up when they chose kenny

@GoGetYourShinebox

Жыл бұрын

It never turns off he prob like that at home too lol

@emmanueloppong9778

Жыл бұрын

LOL underrated comment

@emmanueloppong9778

Жыл бұрын

@@lucky889s9 How could they have messed up when this is literally the best sports show ever created

@lucky889s9

Жыл бұрын

@@emmanueloppong9778 nah, bus driver Kenny adds nothing to the show. The other 3 carried

Kenny is the greatest in saying something without saying anything

@RichCap85

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@EmmanuelStalling

Жыл бұрын

He's the only person on the show who actually says insightful things. Chuck and Shaq just say what everyone is saying in the barbershop, except they're in the HoF, so it sounds much deeper.

@theemario

Жыл бұрын

😂

@jessekittrell2946

Жыл бұрын

Not true..... Kenny hit the nail on the head.... Steph doesn't affect the game overall like Lebron/MJ/Kareem/etc. His team won 3 rings during his prime when he was winning regular season MVPS.... & he wasn't Finals MVP for any of them.... even placed THIRD in the '15 Finals.

What Chuck said about King James truly makes him one of a kind, agreed!

This guy LeBron is just unbelievable. How is playing as his age. Its unheard before...

@billj4525

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, 38 after 20 years of wear and tear is really where it's at though. I could definitely see him maintaining as he aged even into his 40s and older if he didn't have the miles on his body, which is something I have seen in UFC before when a 45 year was the top fighter in the company and still improving, but he also started at 34 so he didn't have the miles, but to do it a professional sport after over 20 years straight, while having to play literally EVERY DAY against in the best guys in the world is unheard of period. Most guys under 30 couldn't maintain themselves if they had the same kind of miles on them as Lebron has. What Lebron has done longevity wise might be the best record he's achieved, even though it's not official.

LeBron's average per game is still higher than Kareem's by 2.53 points and even though Kareen started at age 22 he still has over 2 full season worth of games played over LeBron right now. 192 in fact. So while Kareem was older when he first started LeBron is going to break the record in fewer games. This is just a longevity stat and nothing more. An even more unbreakable record than this is LeBron's consecutive games with 10 or more points. Nobody is ever touching that.

@bolder2009

Жыл бұрын

LeBron has a higher usage rate as well. The ball is in his hands more often so he has more autonomy with the plays on offence. Something to consider as well. Context matters in these comparisons.

@dawb86

Жыл бұрын

let's not forget also: Kareem, ONE three-pointer his entire career.....

@10ToesDownWithBass

Жыл бұрын

@@bolder2009 Lebron is also top 10 all time in assists. So he's not ball hogging the ball like you would think for a top 10 scorer.

@Will-id7nz

Жыл бұрын

@@10ToesDownWithBass people seem to forget that. And I believe he's in the top 40 all-time in rebounding.

@ndjibukabengele973

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree and both have played 20 seasons and Lebron will get it done a lesser games than Kareem.

In my opinion, no one labels Kareem as the GOAT for being the 'All Time Leading Scorer.' So why should that make LeBron the GOAT?

@cliffordthebigreddawg8088

Жыл бұрын

@Tyler Holt well these debate shows and majority of people usually debate between LeBron and Jordan. Never heard much between debated between Kareem and Jordan.

@joshuablack8221

Жыл бұрын

MJ is the one and only GOAT 💯 You can’t leave context out and even with they, MJ is still the better overall player 🔥😎

@FireAngelChris

Жыл бұрын

Lol well some people do think Kareem the Goat and the all time leading scorer is not why people think Bron the goat because many people already think he is. This just further adds to it.

@Rob-ml3vl

Жыл бұрын

@Tyler Holt no they don’t. For the past 5 years, it’s been Jordan versus Lebron. So, why would passing Kareem make Lebron better than Jordan?

@bryladam

Жыл бұрын

Your statement clearly shows how Kareem is disrespected

didnt realize chuck showing some respect at bron

One VERY under appreciated fact that Chuck was spot on about Lebron's greatness was that he rarely ever did got in trouble for anything on & off the basketball court!! Rest of the basketball legends typically do early on their careers!! No legit reason why Lebron should be hated!

So happy that these four guys are back.

Number of games Lebron will do it in 100 less games Kareem played 20 years to stop it

@darnelllarryscott7032

Жыл бұрын

Thank you I was just pointing that out.

@Taiakun

Жыл бұрын

Yup, LBJ has a better ppg (27.2 vs 24.6) at this current moment in time. Kareem was more dominant in his early years in terms of scoring, but after age 34 he never topped 25 ppg. Apart from his rookie year, Lebron has always scored greater than 25 ppg, and he would've gotten it much faster too if he hadn't been having injuries the past few years.

@boomboy2198

Жыл бұрын

Kareem went to college…of course he’s gonna do in less games

@kjo2130

Жыл бұрын

@@boomboy2198Kareem going to college has nothing to do with Lebron breaking the record in less games than Kareem played in the nba.

@mrclean9513

Жыл бұрын

@@boomboy2198 this is about the games played in the NBA genius. That doesn’t change anything. When you look at the time they both entered the league and count the amount of games lebron is about to score more than Kareem in much less games. This means he was scoring more not playing more games than Kareem

Kareem Abdul Jabbar has won on every level of basketball there is.people forget how great he was, and I’m not saying that he’s better than LBJ . but people have amnesia when it comes to how much he has accomplished.

@leonhughes9014

Жыл бұрын

he was 300ft tall though playing with amateurs

@jallison5457

Жыл бұрын

@@leonhughes9014 What are you talking about? don’t diminish what the man has done, you do that you disrespect every player that’s played in his era, no matter what you think of him his accomplishments don’t lie 6 regular season MVPs, 6 NBA titles, come on man, he’s been the scoring leader for over 30 years.

@leonhughes9014

Жыл бұрын

@@jallison5457 Im not , but that accomplishment was easier then.. also I can do whatever I want and say whatever I want... my opinion.. if you want control someone by a dog.. clown

@jallison5457

Жыл бұрын

@@leonhughes9014 Actually these accomplishments are easier to get now, the new NBA is soft, nobody plays defense, all they shoot are threes, the league puts more emphasis on scoring. and you can say whatever you want, but don’t take away from what Kareem has done Bcus he played in a different era.

@leonhughes9014

Жыл бұрын

@@jallison5457 its my opinion, end of.. u dont have to agree thats cool..

I think alot of people forget how scary LeBron was on the heat. He was an entire threat to everyone when he was on the court. greatest ever

@EmmanuelStalling

Жыл бұрын

Nobody forgets how scary LeBron was on the Heat. These were his legacy-defining first championships, and most people agree that his 2012-13 season is his best ever.

@HansumTrini

Жыл бұрын

@EmmanuelStalling Nonetheless, LBJ himself said that AFTER he left the Heat and matured his game play...that was his best (learning to pass better, less ego, etc.). He said that part of them losing to Dalls in the Finals, was because of those. Respect

@homomagii

Жыл бұрын

Dirk destroyed lebron so stop it

@jessekittrell2946

Жыл бұрын

Actually it was his 2nd stint with the Cavs were he REALLY dominanted. Had the greatest individual Finals of all time.... led the entire Finals in PPG/RPG/APG/SPG/BPG while playing against the league MVP and the league DPOY 😳😳😳😳

@jessekittrell2946

Жыл бұрын

@homomagii bahaha no he didn't. That team played through wade that season. It was his franchise, he was the elder, & he had won a ring. After that Finals Wade even came out & said it needs to be Lebrons team if they are gonna win..... next season his shots went down while lebrons went up & what happened .... 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

Shaq could have had so many more points. Passed Kareem? Not sure - but imagine if he was a little healthier in the latter half of his career. Goat either way

@jessekittrell2946

Жыл бұрын

No healthier... judt didn't put in the work. He was overweight the last half of his career which shortened his prime. He himself has talked about it. Lebrons still as fit at 38 as he was at 18. He puts in the time & effort on his body.

@fmbbeachbum8163

Жыл бұрын

How many more pts does Shaq have if he shoots 65% from the free throw line?

@billj4525

Жыл бұрын

@@jessekittrell2946 Yeah, the big centers always seem to fall off earlier. Just being that tall and large makes it harder to have that longevity. Lebron puts in the work big time though, and I agree Shaq did not. Big guys usually have injury problems, and you can't have much of those if you want real good longevity as well.

The greatest sports story of all time is two sisters from Compton hard courts playing each other in a Wimbledon final, and there isn't a close second.

Anyone remember the OG "Run Through The Tape"???

@NeonKC

Жыл бұрын

A legend!

@GoGetYourShinebox

Жыл бұрын

Chris Webber lol remember kids in life always run through the tape!

@QuestionEverything562

Жыл бұрын

C-Webb for like a month agitated the sh** out of Kenny Smith. Dude couldn't even run to the video board right lol.

Good to see the tnt team back for the season. Missed their commentary and humour

I would say Tim Duncan was great as advertised. Since day one the dude was a different beast.

@facelessandnameless

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@mikkelborre9762

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, agree. But he was 21 and played College. Garnett, Kobe and Lebron only played highschool

@Cheap.Adventures

Жыл бұрын

@@mikkelborre9762 I don't understand why you brought that up that not even the context of what they're talking about.

@johnnygband

Жыл бұрын

true, duncan won his first ring as a rookie and won 5 rings overall, more than lebron and no one talks about him

@ekowbans5575

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnygband playing along side a David Robinson & hall of fame Coach surely helps! Unfortunately Lebron didn’t have that luxury in the beginning of his career.

If backhanded compliment was a person 😂 Sir Charles

I was born two months after Kareem became #1 I'm scoring. I'm 38 right now, that's a lot of great players who have come and gone. LeBrons longevity, availability and consistency is crazy...

There's nothing to debate, we're all great.

@THE-NC2

Жыл бұрын

*they’re

@Infaziation

Жыл бұрын

@@THE-NC2 we're*

@KobaniacMinded

Жыл бұрын

We're all black friends

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

@@KobaniacMinded well played....

@joshuablack8221

Жыл бұрын

No.

When Lebron is gone he’s going to be missed hate him all you want but we’ll never see another like him he’s one of one

@24SparrowJack

Жыл бұрын

can't wait until he's gone maybe they will start giving other better players the attention they deserve

Another factor the muddies the water is in Kareem’s time the game was played at a slower pace. So teams got fewer offensive possessions in a game. Over Kareem’s and LeBron’s long careers that could be quite a differential in shot opportunities. That’s why it’s so difficult to pit players against once another from different eras.

@Wavy612

Жыл бұрын

But kareem also played without shot clock violations. They would just keep passing to him till he makes it. Lebron is a magic type player who's just so talented he's gonna get 30 easily.

@nahomyacob2476

Жыл бұрын

The 70s and 80s were factually a faster paced league than today. The 90s and 2000s were slower tho.

@greg2797

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s difficult to compare eras because of rule changes. but actually the 70s and 80s was a faster pace game than than the 2000s. Either way you could argue LeBron had the luxury of shooting 3s and you could say Kareem had the luxury of sitting in the post to get his points with less energy used as he got older but both achievements from Kareem and LeBron are crazy and great.

@shleeb896

Жыл бұрын

@@greg2797 i’d say the task of guarding the three degrades the body faster, and I doubt Kareem would’ve been good at it, he had his skillset and that was good enough

@drewski103

Жыл бұрын

Kareem has still taken more shots than bron

Great perspective Charles on how Lebron’s head start could be considered an edge, however this young man has been a trailblazer when it comes to the importance of consistency of conditioning throughout the years.

@brandonhoover2120

Жыл бұрын

It’s not a great point, because statistically LeBron will have played LESS games. Something all these ignorant people gloss over is LeBron has more career points. He’s had that for a while, this is just a silly regular season record.

@darnelllarryscott7032

Жыл бұрын

LeBron will play over 100 games to get the record and almost 700 fewer shots

@kjo2130

Жыл бұрын

Actually it was terrible since Lebron is passing Kareem in less games & less shots.

No doubt he's a legend not only as a player but as a person.

Barkley described James’ career best.

Thank you Shaq for just answering the question👏👏👏

Shaquille O'Neal spoke very well about LeBron

I agree with Barkley, MJ is the greatest ever but Lebron probably has the most impressive story in terms of straight out of high school. His longevity is crazy.

@NicholasBarthesJohnstontheIII

Жыл бұрын

I feel like people(myself included) think their is a definitive answer to these questions when there is not. So glad you have this balanced perspective, that is more factual than any debates going on.

@phatch5444

Жыл бұрын

chuck made no real point lebron and Kareem both played 20 years

@bolo5190

Жыл бұрын

Hakeem Olajuwon is one of the most slept on superstars of alltime no doubt. I got him as the greatest player of alltime even though this debate is very subjective because of the different era's. Hakeem had many skills, footwork, agility, grace, power, IQ on both sides of the ball and court, adaptability, versatility and leadership. For a center he anchored the defense and he ran the offense, a former NBA player an all time great one of best power forwards of alltime named Kevin McHale once said Hakeem was one of the most freakiest players he has ever played against during his time because of the way he moved for a player who is nearly 7ft tall. Hakeem's story for an nba player is very interesting too, he started really focusing on basketball at the age 15 when he mostly played soccer. He credits playing soccer for helping him as a basketball player. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4SF1pODkpnOoKQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGaDlM56oKaoctY.html

@charlesokereke4297

Жыл бұрын

@@bolo5190 Hakeem definitely had an underrated career

@PIP...33

Жыл бұрын

WILT GOD >>> OLAJUWON GOAT >>> WAGON JABBAR AND JORDAN WHO NEED SUPERTEAM

the fact won't change that he had acouple advantages coming straight from high school but it doesn't diminish what he has done he's not my goat but he would be in anybody's goat convo i think that's amazing in its own right 💯

Chuck sounding like a Golden state fan...what

Chuck always keeps it real 💯

@phatch5444

Жыл бұрын

but he didnt have a 4 year head start, Kareem played 20 years just like this season for lebron.

@tedmusson5179

Жыл бұрын

Sir Chatles is my all time fave non Raptor. I would rather spend five minutes with Sir Charles than all day with anyone else. Twenty minutes with Sir Charles and Jack Armstrong would have me swooning myself into the grave. But then I am 80 y.o.

@johnnygband

Жыл бұрын

@@phatch5444 but he played 4 more years than bron and was older when he retired. plus this current NBA has no defence in regular season, everyday someone scores 50 or 70

@nikkyblammon6814

Жыл бұрын

Chuck is a hypocrite with two more chips he trying to put Steph above lebron on that logic bill Russell 🐐clear then he bigs up lebron while low key putting him down, everyone believes there era was the hardest 💀

The boys are back in town

THE GIOATS OF SPORTS SHOW ARE BACK!!

Folks are never gonna give this dude props. The good news is he’s gonna be Lebron if no one ever acknowledged this dude is the greatest to play the game. Not taking anything away from Steph.

LeBron needs to 23ppg in around 58 games to be the all-time scoring champ. But I think what's important here is that he also needs to manage his playing time. He should be playing at around 30 mins per game as to not over-exert hos body and be ready when it matters most. Go LeBron.

@danielabraham5901

Жыл бұрын

35 mpg is likely.

You guys did a great job on comments for There is a lot of worthy players but you narrowed the top 3 excellently. These skills set should imply defense and offense combinations of leadership endurance on and off court to inspire and grow into a stronger league.

I never realized that Kareem was behind Lebron's pace in points by a few seasons almost all of his career.

@goddsunstephenson6484

Жыл бұрын

Kareem was winning a championship with UCLA, Lbj didn’t go to college. He had more time to get NBA POINTS.

@bojanpejovic7691

Жыл бұрын

@@goddsunstephenson6484 he didn't have more time, he just started earlier and was better for longer. Kareem played 200 more games than james, by the time james breaks the record, kareem will still have played in like 130 more games.

@bobzombie2710

Жыл бұрын

@@goddsunstephenson6484 right now, kareem has played 192 moregames than lebron. Lebron only needs to score 7 pts a game in those 192 games to tie kareem's accomplishment. I don't think asking for 7pts a game is outlandish to ask of lebron.....

@goddsunstephenson6484

Жыл бұрын

@@bobzombie2710 lbj doesn’t have the rings to reach Kareems level.

@moneymoney3235

Жыл бұрын

@@goddsunstephenson6484 and lbj plays in a more talented more competitive era. Top 30 players in this leauge vs the top 30 players in kareems time….bottom 30 vs bottom 30 they are BUMS compared

If Curry ends up with 6 rings that would be crazy. He's had a large impact on the game too. As far as the game itself.

@Eb-dw3tq

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Buts a horrible impact. Everybody clonking threes.

Barkley nailed it.

I could’ve listened to these guys talk about this topic for another 30 minutes

Chuck forgot about Tim Duncan. Duncan was also amazing his entire career, beginning as a rookie.

@Jeffway24

Жыл бұрын

Timmy went to college. I think he’s talking about hyped high school players delivering from day 1

Greatest gm/player ever 😂

The writing has been on the wall for all these longevity stats since removing the college requirement, that's 4 extra seasons of stats that LeBron had over Kareem who 100% could have played straight out of highschool, the man broke the college game. Longevity stats are not impressive anymore because everyone doesn't even get to start at the same point, it's like changing the unit of measurement in a race, you can't take the results seriously once you do that.

@jacobvalenzuela6714

Жыл бұрын

Still crazy how an 18 yr old dominated the league off rip😊

@jacobvalenzuela6714

Жыл бұрын

LeBron is a better all around player

@ShutThePuck

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobvalenzuela6714 How did that translate to winning compared to others? I'd rather take a specialist who affects winning more, and winds up winning 5 championships in 6 Finals over a jack of all trades who also affects winning greatly but only manages to win 4 times out of 10

@jacobvalenzuela6714

Жыл бұрын

@@ShutThePuck bro he can make a bunch of make-a-wish kids title contenders, who did LeBron have? Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Mo Williams? On the other hand Kareem had Magic and Big games James. I think they’re both great but you’re statement is wrong about longevity. It has gotten slightly less valuable but the fact LeBron is still averaging 26-27 ppg at his age is crazy

@jacobvalenzuela6714

Жыл бұрын

@@ShutThePuck Also how is LeBron beating the justice league?

LeBron James was born the same year Kareem Abdul-Jabbar broke the NBA All Time Scoring Record in 1984.

This probably one of the only comment sections where I see sensible basketball talk.

Charles Barkley hit the nail on the head with the final question on the biggest threat to Lebron’s legacy and claim to the GOAT debate. If Steph were to retire with 6 rings there would be questions about why another superstar won more rings in the same era all while staying on the same team while Lebron has bounced around chasing more talent. People would point out that Steph has the era defining skill set and that the league changed based on his play style and we’d be asking whether we’re sure Lebron is even the best player in his era.

@pulhubt

Жыл бұрын

Nah because championships are team accolades(if lebron would have been on gs with a coach and gm with brain and klay dray and kd it would have been over) ! Look at the personal accolades like all defense teams mvps fmvps assits leader all nba first team and tell me again that it is debatable…. Curry fans are a different breed

@PandainAtlanta

Жыл бұрын

That’s if we aren’t using context. Two of those rings he won were with the best team ever assembled and the other was when Lebron had his two best teammates injured.

@newrecruit100

Жыл бұрын

@@PandainAtlanta and two of Lebrons rings he was one of 3 all stars on his team at a time where you’d struggle to find more than a few teams with two. Especially in the East.

@PandainAtlanta

Жыл бұрын

@@newrecruit100 You’re 100% right I’m not negating that, but to insist that that team is equivalent to the KD warriors is insane. That’s the only reason I don’t have Curry over Lebron in this Era . If Curry would’ve beat Lebron in 2017 with out KD he prolly would have.

@jadynariana

Жыл бұрын

@@pulhubt as a curry fan i have never thought that curry even touches lebron in any debate outside of the obvious shooting and dribbling but its not on curry that he was drafted into a better situation and the warriors also wouldnt be the same with bron bc they not getting those top 10-15 picks and they were a franshise in the mud besides the year they beat the mavs in the first round. lebron with good ownership and coaching would probably be the goat rn but everybodys careers are just very situational.

Chuck making nice with the Dubs fans! LOL it's a new day...

I couldn’t agree more with Charles !!!

aside from games played, pace and degree of defense also factors in, its too hard to compare stats.

@darnelllarryscott7032

Жыл бұрын

unless it supports my case

To me, I go back and forth on the GOAT between MJ, Kareem and Bron. I said back in 2019 when Bron joined the Lakers that he would have to do 3 of the 4 following things in order to be the GOAT in my eyes: 1. Win another Championship✅ 2. Win another MVP (was top 5 candidates 2 years in row since 2019) 3. Become Top 5 all time in assists (needs 282 assists to become top 5) 4. Become all time leading scorer (1,294 points away from that)

@futuretimetraveller8677

Жыл бұрын

how would any of those things make him "suddenly" a better player than jordan ...or anyone else for that matter how good someone is we already see way before we see stats so ...🤷‍♂

@Pangea_7

Жыл бұрын

@@futuretimetraveller8677 that's just my criteria 🤷🏽‍♂️

@QuestionEverything562

Жыл бұрын

This is just a longevity criteria, it doesn't mean anything unless he's leading his teams to titles. Nobody cares about being top 5 this or top 10 that in specific statistical categories. Those are just trivial career achievement records, they are nowhere near the most vital aspects of a GOAT worthy resume.

@futuretimetraveller8677

Жыл бұрын

@@QuestionEverything562 they are reaching for straws bro

@Pangea_7

Жыл бұрын

@@QuestionEverything562 everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I just look at the totality of it all

Tim Duncan outplayed LeBron in the finals (arguably Kawhi as well in ‘14)... Dirk outplayed LeBron in the finals... KD outplayed LeBron in the finals (albeit on the Warriors), Paul Pierce outplayed LeBron in a series, Dwight outplayed LeBron in a series, I can’t really think of a series other than Orlando in 95 when Shaq outplayed MJ after the baseball sojourn. LBJ is special but often not the dominant individual that MJ was all the time.

@richkidgordon111

Жыл бұрын

coz he is playing team basketball

@anthonyanderson9303

Жыл бұрын

Paul Pierce didn't outplay LeBron in 2008 or 2010. He had a better team around him. The Dwight one in 2009 yea I might agree with that. Dwight was on a tear that year. Dirk in 2011 year I can't even argue that. KD? I'm assuming you're talking '17 and '18 when he had a stacked deck. LeBron outplayed in him in '12 tho.

@misaelviera6886

Жыл бұрын

U just lied Duncan had a way better team the first time Dwight my favorite player but no he did not outplay Bron Bron outplayed kawhi and it’s not close

@FireAngelChris

Жыл бұрын

Why did you lie like this ??

@FireAngelChris

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonyanderson9303 Bron average 38/8/8 on 48% to Dwight 25 in Ho shape or form did he get outplay by Dwight test series. Aside from 2011 every series this dude listed Bron had an inferior team

Shout out to underdog for the opening graphics

Thats why Mj Kareem and Bron are the goats. You can pick whoever you like the most as the one.

Best sports story are the underdog stories, that turn to greatness, from like 8th seed to multiple champs. To putting fear in your opponents to winning the most in less time

@Eb-dw3tq

Жыл бұрын

He was an underdog. He carried a franchise as an 18 year old born of a teenage mother. He could have had so many pitfalls. No father single mother. Everything he understood about the game he learned on his own. He was a millionaire at 18 with control of his money. Like he is not broke he is a billionaire now. His story is amazing.

@therealkid617

Жыл бұрын

@@Eb-dw3tq an underdog…is not the person everyone expects to be great lol that’s not how it works

@Eb-dw3tq

Жыл бұрын

@@therealkid617 In life he was an underdog. He was born to a 16 year old single mother. How much underdog do you get??😂😂

@therealkid617

Жыл бұрын

@@Eb-dw3tq we talking about nba and basketball, not outside of basketball stay with it

@punchdreadnought8101

Жыл бұрын

@@Eb-dw3tq cristiano ronaldo is more underdog than him. muhammad ali was more underdog than lebron.

Caveat. That all-star jordan had wasn't just an all-star. It was a top 10 in the league player.

@bolder2009

Жыл бұрын

But he wasn't an all-star in the season that the Bulls won their first chip. Jordan was the ONLY all-star on the 1990/91 Bulls. And Pip was out for much of the Bulls last championship winning season. Also injured during the 98 finals series. Another caveat.

Shaq, Lakers Nation here, one Love, Kobe R.I.P.

I wasn’t born for bill but the way they leave him out like he don’t got 11 chips is wild 😂

I cant understand a word Shaq grunts

Greatest sports story ever told...kid comes in, really exceptionally great player.. can't get it done, shops himself out to franchise's willing to build super teams with him, goes on to have a good 2nd place career...won three real championships and beat 2nd line up heat at Disney land...not bad

For some reason I couldn't shake the thought: why didn't they use a bar graph for that stats segment?

for someone that literally changed the game is played globally, i dont think kenny understands chucks question.

Hopefully LeBron put the record way out of reach. So it would be his record forever 🐐🔥

Chuck makes a good point with the curry convo

@futuretimetraveller8677

Жыл бұрын

with the fact that kareem was not permitted to turn pro at 18 as well lebron would would be nowhere NEAR the record otherwise

@him1019

Жыл бұрын

@@futuretimetraveller8677 kareem has played more games than LeBron

@futuretimetraveller8677

Жыл бұрын

@@him1019 many of them when he was 39 40 41 42 yrs old and no longer effective averaging12 pts pergame if ha had played from 18-22 instead lebron would not be close also lebron has played many more games than jordan so how do you forget THAT point in your arguments??? 🤷‍♂

@him1019

Жыл бұрын

@@futuretimetraveller8677 i wasnt talking about Jordan. Thats why i didnt bring him up. And it doesnt matter when he played those extra games. Kareem still played more games and was getting points in those games

@futuretimetraveller8677

Жыл бұрын

@@him1019 it DOES matter when he played the extra games because he was old and not scoring as much as he would have at ages 18-22 simple logic lebron would not be close if kareem had been permitted to enter the nba at age 18

There wasn't a 3 point line until the 1979-80 season. After Kareem had already been in the league for 10 years.

They ALL are great . . . Let's stop comparing them

It will be a great Moment!!!! Still not the greatest but he is Great!!! Kareem will be greater to me always ❤❤

Barkley made a great point...

The man with the sky hook

Imagine if Kareem came in at 18😳. That's an extra 6 years of points.

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

Extra 4

@priztucker

Жыл бұрын

@@Barnabus007 I wonder how many points he scored in College.

@priztucker

Жыл бұрын

@@Barnabus007 I saw Kareem starting the nba at 25

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

@@priztucker I mean we could look it up, but I don't think it equals potential NBA points

@Barnabus007

Жыл бұрын

@@priztucker I don't think man..not arguing, just saying I think his rookie season was 69 and he was born in 47

It will be the single greatest achievement in ball history.

@robglobal1

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣

4 years is head start is true.

points have values...kareem pts and the others were hard earned... lebums pts were from 1st to 3rd qtr and become passive in the 4th....

Barkley comment are spot on. Please break down this by number of game played. It's getting more opportunities to score more points.. and finally.. the game is easier today

@FireAngelChris

Жыл бұрын

Lol well Kareem played more games.

@adnanquader6660

Жыл бұрын

couldn't agree more. Kareem got his points in the paint, through free throws so you wonder how many of LeBron's points came from free throws and dunks. Kareem also dealt with injuries so point total could have been a lot higher 😀. Anyway, both players have been great for the NBA and as role models.

@MAEDtravel

Жыл бұрын

@@FireAngelChris about MJ?

@futuretimetraveller8677

Жыл бұрын

@@FireAngelChris where did you find this stat? bottom line is kareem played in an era where there was no "load management" i.e. getting paid for nothing kareem would still be way ahead if he played from age 18 wouldnt be close

@FireAngelChris

Жыл бұрын

@@futuretimetraveller8677 lol ok and he didn’t and he not ahead. That factual stat can be found in NBA stats department. I am not sure why Bron passing up a great like kareem bothers people so much. People doing everything they can to pretend this isn’t impressive. It took over 30 years for someone to he great enough to break it.

Steph curry is the greatest player of our generation. Kids these days are saying they wanna be like steph not lebron.

@andrewkaweesi3712

Жыл бұрын

it's because them kids can't see themselves being freak athletes so they see Steph's stuff as the easy way

@muhammedadil240

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewkaweesi3712 nah it’s because they know who did it the hard way and inspired current generation of players.

@dewman7477

Жыл бұрын

@@muhammedadil240 lol LeBron is the greatest of his generation. LeBron > Curry All curry has over LeBron is a better team like 2017-2018 with KD and GSW GM is much more competent than Cavs/Lakers GM

I don't know the result but what if you factored games played and assist (aka points responsible for)....

It's crazy how in certain aspects, Steph is STILL underrated. Chuck asked a legit question. What if Steph wins another 2 titles? Heck it's possible he could win another MVP on top of that. You gotta start at least having a discussion about top 5 ever at that point. He's already the #2 point gaurd ever IMO.

@OMG-si3wn

Жыл бұрын

He would have to be dominate in those finals runs to put him there, if he wins 2 more in the fashion he did this last one I dont think that would put him top 5

@dontaefreeman1816

Жыл бұрын

Bro steph has nvr had to be actually lead a team he’s always been surrounded by great players he wins because of team success mike Kobe bron etc where the reasons there team won

@anthonyanderson9303

Жыл бұрын

@@dontaefreeman1816 how tf wasn't Steph the reason they won last year?

As a GSW fan, I know they will never give Curry the top spot or even place him in the top 3 spot even if he adds more rings to his fingers. The guy is already too perfect for some people plus he has the greatest shooter accolade, plus his franchise is arguably the most hated because of how organized they are. But still will be the Goat to us

Bron is great all around and quite consistent, and great with the nba office politics, but nobody is afraid of him in the nba on or off court.

Lebron and more recently Curry, redefined the game in the past decade. They will be the GOATs with MJ and Kareem when they retire. Always hard to compare eras so there will be recency bias and I'm sure Wilt and Bill have something to say about these opinions on the top 5.

Lebron the greatest NBA story ever?! Not even close. He became what he was expected to become. Which is admirable. But the greatest story of all time in the NBA is by far Giannis. He came from the streets of Athens. And nobody expected of him to become what he became..

@AppleJacksCereal

Жыл бұрын

Greatest story of all time is highly debatable and completely subjective but I agree this ain’t even close imo.

@FireAngelChris

Жыл бұрын

Lol it’s Bron but this is all subjective. It’s very few people you can point to that live up to what they were suppose to while exceeding that. Especially when you have pressure on your shoulders.

Kenny isn't being fair about his comments on Steph! Steph is just 6'2, the other guys are 6'6 or taller, there's a limit to how well he's be able to defend. In saying that Steph is an underrated defender and was great defensively in last year's finals against Boston.

Chuck is right if you gonna look at points for measure you gotta do most points per game... look it up who's the nr 1?

@youvegotapointthere4359

Жыл бұрын

It's MJ! If Wilt stopped playing after his 8th season, then it'd be him. I wonder where Jordan would be if he played for 20 seasons straight. It would've been awesome to see him play against The Dream in the finals or the Duncan and Robinson Spurs in 1999.

Times has sure change to see Chuck back Steph more than Kenny at the end

It's just stats... he's been going from team to team to win championships. MJ didnt do that. He won 6 playing for one team

@andrewkaweesi3712

Жыл бұрын

it don't make no difference. they all championships. cuh you win them rings with other 14 dudes on the team and all this depends on the guys up in the front office

@dewman7477

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewkaweesi3712 stats are great but they don’t make you the goat alone

I know playoffs is the most important thing, but the points for regular season and the playoffs should be separated