For the longest time as I read the books I couldn't figure out how she was letting me almost feel that i was able to enter into the thought processes of Thomas Cromwell. I knew that there were several odd techniques she was using because initially I found rather difficult to follow. But then of a sudden it all shifted and I was pulled completely into the mood and the time and the man, Thomas Cromwell. Who ever thought one could still mine unique insights into the Tudor legacy.

Wolf Hall a great read and the sequal, but with Anne Boleyn worth remembering some facts on the day of her execution took prayers the the last rites in her apartment to prepare her soul for death, in a deeply religious age and herself a religious woman who kept an open bible in her apartments. She did not confess to adultery or incest with her brother,in her final confession when she was praying for her soul,she did not feel the need to confess those alleged sins.That speaks more volumns than novellists write!

@janebeatty2010

9 жыл бұрын

She was innocent of ludicrous charges. Set up and murdered. I find a sense of justice in knowing her daughter Elizabeth became a very successful Queen. I also have a great deal if respect for Catherine. Both very strong women that Henry didn't deserve.

@CathieSoli

9 жыл бұрын

cubomania3 People spell the name both ways.

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree, and also note that she did confess to abusive treatment of Mary, her stepdaughter and future Queen of England. She sent a heartfelt apology through the gaolers wife. She would gain nothing by apologizing to Mary. She doesn't apologize for the charges against her perhaps therefore because they were not true.

Also there's no evidence at all that Anne committed adultery, I don't think she'd be stupid enough to do so since court was such a dangerous place at the time since she had many enemies who could use it against her to tear her down

@clare5one

8 жыл бұрын

+harvey conman Yet her cousin Katherine Howard was that stupid? I surprised she never became pregnant?

@cherrytraveller5915

8 жыл бұрын

+clare5 one yes Katherine committed adultery. I wouldn't call her stupid though. She was a young girl married to an old disgusting man who was rotting. She suddenly found herself the centre of attention with men falling at her feet. She was the product of neglect on her family's part and was never taught to treasure herself by her father. In the end she payed the ultimate price for falling for a man of her own age

@clare5one

8 жыл бұрын

cherrytraveller The only reason I called her stupid as she remembered nothing about her cousin's fate? Anne at one point may have been burnt at the stake for her"treason" and H8 said she bewitched him. It was a very dangerous time and Katherine thought that she had some sort of immunity?

@cherrytraveller5915

8 жыл бұрын

+clare5 one Sh probably knew nothing about Anne fate. She grew up in a house that was run by a neglectful grandmother. She was given no education to speak of. Of H8 wives she was the least educated. Anne would have been wiped from the family history as she brought shame on the family. Just look at Mary Boylen for that one she disappeared from history. There is a lot of speculation that Katherine was trying to get pregnant so she could provide H8 with an heir. Don't judge her too harshly she was just a teenager who made many mistakes and suffered.

@annr.5125

7 жыл бұрын

Henry forbid everyone in the kingdom to speak of Anne ? I mean, she may have heard of Anne before she made it to court. I'm sure people were shocked that Anne was executed, the news must have spread like wildfire.

I read that on the day Anne was executed a package came of a dress or something she had ordered for Elizabeth. Just that simple evidence of a mother's love humanized her for me. It also told me she had no idea the scheme that was brewing against her.

Sometimes, I feel we forget that Anne Boleyn was a real person who had real feelings and her own mind. Occasionally, we look at her from one or only a few people's perspective and never stop to think what she was really like or even if she did betray Henry, she was smart enough to know the consequence of her actions. Anne had her rise and fall. Her rise was that Henry fell madly in love with her and she used that to her advantage. Her fall was that she couldn't have a living son to be heir to the throne of England. I wish she could of taken into consideration the welfare of the lady Mary and at least not push Henry to send Catherine of Aragon to awful houses as a punishment. During her rise she pushed Henry to send many people to the block. I believe she died unjustly. We all think we know Anne Boleyn as the lady who was beheaded and the woman who turned the world upside down to become Queen. I don't think we know her at all for no matter how many times a historian says she did this or not we will never know what happened in her heart or if she wanted to get married someone else.

I see nowhere where the writer makes any definitive statement about Boleyn committing adultery on Henry. If anything she is ambiguous about it, to say the most. She makes it clear that Henry simply accuses her of it because she failed to give him a living son, not that Anne actually was guilty of it.

@kevinedmunds6469

6 жыл бұрын

Victoria maybe you should write a book, and enlighten us.

@victorialadybug1

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinedmunds6469 I don't need to. Many historians have already done so. You can read them instead.

Hilary Mantel had never stated that her version of history is the absolute and ultimate truth. As she had so often stated, ‘she was tying to engage the reader and asking, “what would you have done in their situation?” and had often said that her work was not an academic one but aNovel about Tudor England in the time of Henry the Eighth. It is a brilliant and thought provoking read and written by the best author I, personally, have ever read. Her work, “The Wolf Hall trilogy’ is nothing short of sublime. Hats off to Hilary Mantel and kudos to such a fantastic depiction of the most turbulent and fascinating era of English history.

She is wonderful. I wish there was no distracting music.

@cathryncampbell8555

Жыл бұрын

Amen! I could barely make out what Ms. Mantel was saying.

For those who think Hilary Mantel is historicly inaccurate just note that she spent ages learning where ever single one of her characters was staying everyday day of the entire time period that Wolf Hall and Bring up the Bodies was taken place, I`m not saying she`s perfect but she comes pretty damn close, she`s far better than Phillipa Gregory, her books just stink of inaccuracy and dull romance.

@brontewcat

8 жыл бұрын

I agree, and I think her portrayal of Cromwell is closer to the reality than many of the historical stereotypes most novelists, movies and TV shows give us.

@chykim1

5 жыл бұрын

Its only inaccurate because they disagree with her.. Nothing more

@professorbutters

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, although “better than Philippe Gregory” is a really low bar,

I Soo love her voice... ❤❤

@GIGI06408

3 жыл бұрын

Kim Sanders so do i its just so calming.

If Henry really believed Anne had been with 100 other men, he never would have accepted Elizabeth as his own daughter. He would have probable said she wasn't his and would have exiled her to live her life as somebody else's ward. Hemay have even had her killed when she got older. You can't rule that out when it comes to Henry VIII.

@robinlillian9471

2 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth looked so much like Henry, no one would have believed she wasn't his daughter. Henry had to make Anne look like an unnatural monster, or it would have been suspected that she turned to other men because he was impotent. With time, he probably managed to convince himself it was true.

The thing is Anne did not 'fail' to give Henry a son, because she never really got a paper shot of it. Catherine of Aragon was given 20 years to produce a son, so his first wife did 'fail'. But three years is not a long enough time period to try and produce a son. Had they stayed married then no doubt Anne would have conceived again and again and might well have produced the much longed for son. So I don't think it was just for the 'lack of son' producing reason that Henry binned her. The reason Henry dumped her - after only 3 years - was because the chase for him was far better than the capture.

I don't think Anne was just jealous for the sake of being petty. She was fearful that another would come and do what she did. That's a lot more than just jealousy.

In Anne's own testimony at her trial she said she had been faithful to the king but perhaps had not always shown him the respect she should have. Since their relationship was reportedly tempestuous it seems Anne was less constrained than other queens, that Henry had given her more liberty to be more on a level with him. She knew his eye was straying and I wonder if she did not overtly flirt with other men in order to make Henry jealous enough to come back to her? Many relationships operate this way to this day. If we accept jealousy as a mixed emotion of fear and anger, it is easy to see how Henry's mind, aided by input from those around him and a severe head injury a few months before, veered all the way to hatred of her and anyone associated with her. This is one explanation that feels right to me. The resulting executions are unacceptable and unforgivable.

Yet again another negative view of Anne Boleyn, Thomas and Anne had conflicts... Anne was a woman when it was hard to be a woman in her time and people need to understand that everything she said or did was not done because she wanted to, but it was a political move and it was all about the shift of power

@51Saffron

9 жыл бұрын

I doubt Anne had any attraction to the King. However, her family saw that the King had attraction towards her. He wanted to make her his mistress and this she would not accept. Women back then were owned by their fathers. They told you who you would marry and you never questioned it. Even up to the early 1900's this was the case with many women from affluent families. The Boleyn's like the Seymour's were very ambitious and used their daughters to gain positions within the court, titles and properties. Nobody knows what Anne Boleyn was really like, you only have letters that she had written, accounts, both positive and negative (depending on your politics) and detailed accounts from Chapys. I would say that she was over confident in Henry's affections for her, and she probably realized this after she failed to give him a son..

Hilary, Hilary! How long are you going to make us wait for the third book?????? You are as merciless as Henry!!!!!

Having personally read a few biographies on Anne & the Tudor period in general ( Eric Ives, David Starkey, Alison Weir, Antonia Fraser, David Loades etc to name a few) i personally feel that the evidence clearly states Anne's innocence- Alison Weir says that the evidence clearly states how she there are about 3 very flimsy points to suggest she was guilty & about 20 very good reasons that shows she was innocent.... & she's not even a big fan of Anne.

Lord Norfolk has a lot to answer for , he was wanted more power & was a Uncle to both Anne Boleyn & Catherine Howard & he was at both of there trials . He pushed Mary & Anne Boleyn to further his ambition & later Catherine Howard who was a child . Men used these women as cattle & blamed them for not producing the goods , I’m sure Anne would of had a son with more time & less stress . Look what happened to Jane Seymour after giving Henry as son , she died . The immense stress for this patriarchal society of domination. Katherine of Aragon pushed aside , Anne Boleyn killed for not producing a son so quickly . Henry killed two wives , nearly killed Catherine Parr who out of her own diligence survived , yet Henry agreed to a warrant for her arrest . Henry treated women appallingly.

I LOVE Hilary's trilogy but I am convinced she sacrificed Anne in order to flesh out Cromwell more, Anne was just a detail for her in her description of Cromwell's busy life. And no, even people at the time were incredulous about that "justice process", Chapuys - Anne's enemy - even was astonished. Monarchs in Europe came to believe Henry killed his innocent 2nd wife. Few crucial historical points were omitted from Hilary's pretty accurate narrative. 1. Anne's confession at the Tower and receiving the sacrament before death, as she asked it to be in the presence of the ladies waiting on her (who reported, by a chain, eventually to Cromwell as to what she said and did), and her stating that she is innocent of what she is accused. 2. Her eloquence at her trial at the Tower, denying the charges AND the fact that Cromwell, who was present, was VERY nervous. He feared she might extricate herself and collapse his trumped up case against her. Not a word about that in the novel. And this all not to mention that today, the majority of historians (with exception of one) believe she was innocent. When I was about to read Bring up the bodies, I wondered how she would write a man who killed (ok, project-managed) an innocent woman. I expected a guilty man living with what he's done, but it turned out to be a much easier answer: he simply thought her guilty.

Love this lady so much!

Thank You, Rhonda

I feel a bit torn when it comes to Mantel... I admire her beautifully crafted prose, the sharpness of her writing that cunningly uncovers the darkness of the human pysche... two outstanding historical novels, for sure. and yet, when it comes to her portrayal of Anne Boleyn... Unfortunately I must say that she does not do Anne (enough) justice. both novels certainly succeed in showing that Anne was bold, strong, politically astute and highly intelligent, but they also portray her as a merciless, endlessly haughty and spiteful hysteric who cared only for her own advantage and was capable of even the most heinous crimes. I cannot agree with this portrayal of Anne and I don't see why Mantel felt the need to be so harsh towards a woman of such immense intellect and religious vision, a truly remarkable queen who changed the history of England forever. It's not a very feminist approach, which kind of annoys me. It's not very fair... and yet so well-written. Oddly enough, notwithstanding Mantel's doubtful characterization of Anne, the famous queen's bravery, spirit and grace still shine through every page on which she appears, whether by Mantel's will or not - yet another testament to Anne Boleyn's greatness.

@TheLeaveTaking

7 жыл бұрын

you know that quote from Game of Thrones? "All rulers are either butchers or meat." ;)

@ameliasmillie5150

7 жыл бұрын

can I please ask where you get your opinion of Anne Boleyn? I am researching a project on the role of ficiton of creating the legend of Anne Boleyn. SO many opinions posted here, I want to know what sources they are based on

@daveb3809

6 жыл бұрын

Katherine wasn't executed because if she had been, it would have created a mighty stink around Catholic Europe. Her nephew was the Emperor Charles V. He could, at Katherine's behest, have sent an army over.

@el5406

5 жыл бұрын

TheLeaveTaking well then, i guess Anne was the meat and Henry was the butcher;)

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

cubomania3 she apologizes for some of this later when she was in prison.

Third volume please Hilary.

Hilary Mantel is so brilliant, a genius author, I could listen to her talk all day on Tudor history. :)

Mantel is a brilliant Author, whether Anne was guilty or not... That said, Lucy Worsley is where you want to go for accuracy.. Historian extraordinaire, and Curator of the British Palaces... ❤

There is such a thing as historical fact. But Anne's innocence is not a historical fact, though everyone believe the charges against her were trumped-up. Again, this is Hilary's book, she can do whatever she wants to do with it, she didn't set out to uncover the truth when she wrote this book, she just offered her version(or rather describes the events through Thomas Cromwell's eyes) which was spectacular and unique and so much fun to read.

RIP, Hilary. You were taken too soon.

How was her name pronounced by the Tudors? I heard her birth name was Anna De Bolina some say Anne Bullen so which is it? I think Anna is better suited. 😊😊

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

Spelling wasn't set in the day. One sounds Spanish. Anne Boleyn is common. There is also Ann Bullen

Funny how all the relatives of Ann 15 or 16 times removed crawl out of the woodwork every time there's a new film about her,,,just saying,,!!!!.

@repentobeyjesus9187

5 жыл бұрын

I know. It's laughable, really. :D

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

No way! I d claim it if I could who wouldn't! And they brag on it all the time.

@chykim1

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

People get so triggered about the portrayal of a woman who died half a millenium ago. Anne Boleyn seems to have this huge online fan group, which mostly came about through 'The Tudors'. People seem to believe that Anne was exactly as Natalie Dormer played her to be. They overlook genuine historic evidence in order to romanticise a woman who was plainly vying for power. I'm sure that she was innocent of the charges forced upon her, but to say that she was a kind, innocent woman overall is idiotic. Her treatment of Mary and Catherine was well documented. If you're looking for the wife who played the game, and played it well enough to win, look no further than Anne of Cleves. Her marriage to Henry was a failure, but she ended up with an estate and income from the crown, and outlived all of the other wives.

@chykim1

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!!

@saysHotdogs

5 жыл бұрын

Oh can it

@verynotreally

5 жыл бұрын

Anne of Cleves didn't willingly play the game - she had no choice. She couldn't say no to Henry's deal because she was a young woman who was not well-educated and had no power in the court of a country foreign to her. She only agreed to the annulment because she had no real choice. Henry, so used to English court woman who were educated, clever, and used to playing the court games, was probably so thankful that Anne was passive that he saw it as a virtue and rewarded her richly for it. She was the easiest wife for him to untangle from. But Anne never gave up on being his wife. After he killed Catherine Howard, she suggested they could marry again. Her brother, in fact pushed this. She had estates, yes, but she never went back home nor married. There had to be a certain shame in being rejected by the King of England. All that said, I DO think she was clever, and she was known to be very kind and generous to her servants. The court loved her. She got along well with Elizabeth and Mary (though Mary later accused her of having a part in Wyatt's Rebellion and so Anne was exiled from court). I like her, and wish there was more about her, as she is a bit of a blank slate. It may be why this myth of Anne as the "the one who was smart enough to play Henry's game and was richly rewarded" has grown. We like to think Anne had it the best of all the wives, but we really don't know. Maybe she was happy in England and never cared to go home again; maybe she was content not to marry. We don't know. But I do think there are hints that she was homesick and not quite as content with her lot is as often portrayed.

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

VeryNot I agree with some of what you said. Each one of the wives had totally different situations so you can't compare. It may be that her brother wanted to redo the marriage not Anne of Cleves herself. She was by contract not allowed to leave England. Henry hadn't allowed it. Edward clawed back her allowance and a palace. She owned The Bolynns estate but preferred to live elsewhere.

@jameswhite6112

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe Henry's advisors felt it would be an adverse move to behead Anne of Cleve's ,as it may upset the magnates in Gelderland.

Anne Boleyn is my 1st cousin 16 times removed, meaning 16 generations. Elizabeth of York is my 17th Great Grandmother. Plus many more!!!!!

@repentobeyjesus9187

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha.. Yes.. What.. ever

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

Cool, do your research, make an Album

@someguy957

3 жыл бұрын

Uch. I can't think of anything worse than being English.

@ThePlataf

3 жыл бұрын

So what? I'm Henry VIIIs grandchild, 16 generations away, descended from the illegitimate daughter born to the woman who did Henry's laundry! I can prove it, too. I had my genealogy chart done for me by an astrologer in Kathmandu. So there..

@terrymoore5583

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePlataf well I see you're as rude as a true Englishman.

Hilary Mantel has shifted how we think of history and historical figures.

I agree with ktelle

@erikaallison3779

7 жыл бұрын

ME TOO

George knew the truth and it made Henry cringe with his guilt and shame. It was better to wipe the slate clean in his mind. Simple.

@ABC-ho5jo

Жыл бұрын

What truth when he was able to father a son after anne

Read WATCH EVERYTHING ANNE BOLEYN ... WHAT HAPPEN TO HER WAS A INJUSTICE.. SADLY I FEEL THAT TODAY FALSE CHARGES ARE STILL DONE TODAY.

This lady is helping me in my Internal Assessment; she is one of my top three favourite historians along with Philippa Gregory and David Starkey

@CathieSoli

9 жыл бұрын

Philappa Gregory is full of shit. She makes up a lot of stuff and is not reliable when it comes to history and facts.

@elisabetta611

9 жыл бұрын

Neither Mantel NOR Gregory are historians AT ALL. They are NOVELISTS. And no, that's NOT the same.

@jessicatunnis6230

9 жыл бұрын

Cathie Soli amen sister!

@shammydammy2610

8 жыл бұрын

Gregory's doctorate is in literature. She writes fiction.

@CathieSoli

8 жыл бұрын

shammy dammy She sure does.

Mantel is wrong. Anne was not guilty of adultery and anyone who looks at the total evidence, objectively ,will agree. Flirtation,courtly love yes. Does anyone think the woman who held henry off until marriage would risk her life (and her daughter's status) by doing adultery in the gossipy Tudor court? Anne's fall was all about faction and power politics. She and the five guys were framed.

@Cruz474

Жыл бұрын

Anne was risking it by even TALKING to other men with Henry as her husband.

@ABC-ho5jo

Жыл бұрын

@@Cruz474 And she may not have had affairs but her flirtations were enough to damn her

@EM-lz9kg

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely Norfolk/ Henry viii manipulated Mary & Anne Boleyn Norfolk for power with Henry : Norfolk manipulated again with Catherine Howard again another niece Who he manipulated and put in front of Henry the eighth when she was purely a child and he did it purely out of his own selfish political greed he wanted Catherine Howard to produce a son and a via his family line it was Henry that was important and because he was impotent lot of these women were then treated appallingly I do not believe Anne was at all unfaithful I think it was easy to manipulate the concept because she had the skill to be very attractive after being in France within a much more Sophisticated court life of flotation remember Henry had a severe accident jousting he was getting bigger and bigger and it is now been suggested that he had mental health issues during to being in a coma for two hours his personality apparently changed to even more cruelty that he was more panicked about having a son more than ever

For me,Cardinal Wolsey is also interesting and a good subject for a book. I believe he was the son of a butcher so his social mobility in that age was remarkable. As far as I know he did not have anyone killed, unlike Thomas Cromwell, Henry VIII or Thomas Moore. He had a wife or a mistress he had to keep secret. He was caught up in a very difficult position between the Pope and Henry's wishes to marry Anne and eventually become head of he church. He seems humane - thinking ahead of his time?

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

Helen Trope hmm I think you are right. There are many interesting people in the Tudor times. He had Hampton Court built as a place for ambassadors to stay. It had many suites in it. He would be one of the first lowborn people to be raised so high. He started out as Henry's Almomer so he must have impressed very much. And he did not trust Henry one bit.

@franm.8343

3 жыл бұрын

Cardinal Wosley made an interesting comment regarding Henry once. It went something like this. "Beware of your words and suggestions when you speak to Henry because he never forgets them."

@heliotropezzz333

3 жыл бұрын

@@franm.8343 Wolsey probably made that comment after Henry asked him about his fine house at Hampton Court and then took it away from him, to have as his own.

too dammed smart.

She was innocent, and Hilary Mantel show just her view oh Anne Queen of England and Irland, not the real one. Wolf Hall represented a brilliant Cromwell image which i like, however poor and wrong one about Anne. And may be you will ask me how would i know, that's just my opinion and feeling. Perhaps i also know something which is hidden from the official history about Anne. I hope it will be discoverd soon or the Man who told me the truth will come out and speak.But remember, she was innocent remarkable lady from an important bloodline that had to be continued.

@alexandrinamihalkova886

8 жыл бұрын

I do

Well, no. There is such a thing as historical fact and to just throw it out the window and say that everything is open to speculation is a little ridiculous. I hate how some people in the general public, read these type of books and then take them as fact, especially with regard to The Other Boleyn Girl but that is another story. I'm hesitant to read Mantel because I worry she will cast Cromwell as innocent, when we know he plotted Anne's demise with the Spanish Ambassador.

Other researchers I hold with there opinion, Anne learnt skills at the french court , which was far more sophisticated. Anne flirted , yet I believe she was faithful . the misogynistic times of Tudor history/ eg look at groomed the child bride Catherine Howard ( Lord Norfolk) AGAIN using women for his power play . He used Mary & Anne for his own ambition & used Catherine Howard the fifth murdered wife of Henry .

How do you know????

Though i do admire Hilary for saying that she was showing this through Cromwells eyes to try & show his reasoning- far more so then Philippa Gregory would ever admit. I'm going to an event at Hampton Court in October that Hilary is speaking at, very much looking forward to meeting her & discussing further.

What evidence was proven to be true in relationship to her committing the supposed sin? Never proven

@el5406

5 жыл бұрын

Hello Wow Hilary said that it was highly unlikely that Anne committed adultery.

@maureendavidson4635

3 жыл бұрын

We have to remember that they didn't live alone or in real privacy. There were so many ladies in waiting, servants, guards, gentlemen ushers, valets and staff all looking for fresh gossip (no tv in those days for entertainment) that conducting an illicit affair would have been difficult and dangerous and public knowledge in hours. Anne knew all that. She would have been well aware. If Anne had been unfaithful there would have to be some hint of confirmation of it from somewhere. Maybe she flirted too convincingly or too often after the kings head injury expecting him to react as he may have before.

I wonder what Anne thinks of all the movies and tv shows about and I wonder what she would have to say about it and did they get the shows and movies about her right Ash shower thoughts

Henry was insane. Come on lady. I am a yank and I think I understand the history of this case based on facts, more than you do. Henry wanted her gone and the seeds were planted. Simple. She was an utterly wonderful, intelligent and kind person.

@el5406

5 жыл бұрын

Hello Wow anne was mean to Mary

@elanabethfariss117

5 жыл бұрын

Initially maybe yes, but did reach out to her as well. We never get the full story, so it seems. Check out Claire Ridgeway.

The background music has undergone schizophrenic editing.

I love Hilary's books, best historical author ever, she leave no stone unturned.

13 Kate Middleton fanzombies disliked

After Henry the viii had the accident at the jousting he was getting bigger and bigger and was in a coma for two hours they’ve now worked out that does severe brain damage he went into an even more of a despot king if that’s possible but he became even more paranoid insecure and desperate for a son and as ANNE BOLEYN I had not had a son fast enough he was quick to go onto another woman who could come up with the goods for his own selfish reasons I think that he felt that she hadn’t come up with the goods quick enough and therefore Catherine was dead and he was a widow and he had the opportunity to go and legitimately marry another woman & try again. Remember this was an incredibly misogynistic era & to Anne Boleyn if you think people are sexist today 1500 England was incredibly misogynistic and as we see women will use as a power-play remember mary Anne’s sister was Henry’s mistress Women were used purely as commodities like a cattle market Anne dn’t really want to marryHenry she really wanted to marry Henry Percy and I think she would’ve been happier if she had done

As for taking things as fact, you know it's not the authors' faults. I don't know about Philippa Gregory, but never does Hilary claim that her books are 100% accurate.

Thomas Cromwell was much more brutal than the brilliant writer Hilary wrights about he was not gentle as shown in Woolf Hall he was notoriously aggressive it is played as if it’s only Thomas Moore the one that’s just cruel and uses brutality which are actually factually isn’t the truth Thomas Moore was a quite a renaissance man he wanted his daughters to have an equal education Cornwall was notoriously aggressive that’s why Henry kept him so close to use incredibly nasty violence to get answers that were beneficial to Henry

Obviously, Anne wouldn't have had any miscarriages if she could have stopped it. Even in those days, they knew such things weren't under human control. They did believe that bad things that happened were god's punishment, but to claim that she "broke her promise" was ridiculous. Ironic that it was his genes causing his wive's childbearing problems..

When did she entertain the idea that Anne was guilty? and how can you know if Anne was guilty or not?

Just ghastly thing to do to anybody else is unauthorized and prohibited from doing so in the first place. Sadly it still goes on and nobody should listen to them period.

Look at ALL the women Henry was married to he treated them all appallingly, even Jane Seymour who died giving him a son , he threatened when she was shocked at him going back on pardoning the men from uprising against the abolishment of monasteries “ Henry said , remember what happened to My last wife “ ie be silent do as your told give me a son & you MAY live ! He was aggressive @ Jane during The Pilgrimage of Grace was a popular revolt & Henry was aggressive with Jane Seymour when she said could it be god’s judgment! He lied about pardoning them . Who’s to say how he would of treated Jane he bullied her & she was honoured for her son who she died delivering , he had many illegitimate children & ruined marriages . Anne wanted to marry Henry Percy / Henry viii broke it off for his own selfishness.

Anne was a highly intelligent woman which is why she rose and the so called men could not have any woman being an equal. This is complete poppycock and seems a view of someone who is not sympathetic to women’s challenges in the times. Don’t waste your money 💰

Anne was many things but she was not a fool. I have a hard time believing she ever engaged in adulterous behavior. It seems her downfall was a contrivance perpetrated by her husband and Cromwell.

I think most probably Anne wasn't guilty and Hilary Mantel seems to think the same too. Yet regardless of what I, you, Mantel, Eric Ives or others believe, we can't really know what exactly really happened and everyone is free to speculate about whatever they want. I don't know if you've read her Thomas Cromwell series(though from your comments, i suspect you haven't) , but in the books she didn't make Anne look guilty of charges against her.

I will always love the story of Anne but she was done wrong and he was selfish and cruel

@chykim1

5 жыл бұрын

Anne was selfish and cruel as well.. Especially to Mary.

@Ladyjaxs

5 жыл бұрын

@@chykim1 Exactly! I don't agree with what Henry did to Anne. But both Anne /Henry treated Katherine and Mary horribly. I'm tired of people making Anne out to be a saint because she wasn't

@Jasper-rp1hy

4 жыл бұрын

Rachel61 I agree . Anne was vile to Katherine his first wife and to Mary her daughter. She seemed cold and calculating.

She did not cheat on him

@el5406

5 жыл бұрын

vengi zee Hilary didn't say she did. @ me where she said that.

@Ladyjaxs

5 жыл бұрын

She didn't say Anne cheated on Henry. But she did continue to in courtly love with other men (flirting etc) that what Mantel meant.

Chill, mate...she never stated Anne was guilty as charged. She merely stated that Anne might have given the impression to be guilty of ..."something", as in: giving the impression that the charges against her could be true, in her own time. Although even Chapuys doubted Anne's guilt (!), I am sure there were far more people who believed the charges against Anne.

Also when learned about this i didn't like Henry very much

How dare Henry murder her or any of his wives! 400 pound stinking oaf.

Were people really that stupid and didn't know the women had no way to make sure a baby a boy ??

seems to me saying Anne was innocent - well innocent of what? Seems very unlikely to she was an adulterous wife - so yes she is innocent of that but she is not innocent of playing very dangerous political game in her pursuit of a married King. She was not innocent of playing a huge role in a revolution in England which would lead many thousands to their deaths. She may not have desired that but if she was as intelligent as claimed - she had to know what the consequences of securing that divorce would be.

@clare5one

8 жыл бұрын

+cecelia obrien So she was real and NOT the secular saint that many want her to be.

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

She didn't get divorced, or annuled

Did Hilary said she found Anne guilty because she bored Henry and gave him no song? honestly, try to be a little bit less biased please. Mantel is an amazing writer and much more interesting person than that Duchess of Cambridge can ever hope to be.

Iam a living Thur DNA of Ann boylen. A descent. 15 times removed have papers to prove it. I think it's cool

@repentobeyjesus9187

5 жыл бұрын

Oh ....really? Hmmmm. if you say so. So, what of it, if it's true?

@Cate7451

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Mellin great! Do you resemble her?

She talked about marrying Norris and the death of her husband. Case closed. I think Henry and Anne were a bit narcissistic.

Was Anne Boleyn a black woman, explainm

When Ann says to The jailer, "That's to good for me" her placement in the tower, that says it all to me. She knew she was quity. Be it mind, body or spirit.

@judithnelson1665

3 жыл бұрын

No, wrong,It is not a confession of guilt.It is a statement of christian humility.Anne, as she said, was gulity of nothing except unkind acts to Mary.

@leerdee

3 жыл бұрын

@@judithnelson1665 I can't disagree with you Judith. There are many opinions regarding Ann. None of us can go back in time. However, Guilty or innocent, I do not agree with her being executed. I have read so much on the subject. I have been intrigued by Ann and her short life. "It's to good for me Mr. Kingston" to me is a telling statement of guilt of something. You make a good point.

The Boleyns... The Middletons. See the similarities. Ambitious families.

@zimmerman2000us

9 жыл бұрын

Do not forget the broke Spencers. Out of money . The great house with its land was being sold off one piece at a time. At one time one of the richest families in all of England

not a smart sounding or articulate woman