Stockfish is like: “1. e4?? Blunder, mate in 30.”

@thatguymaty

3 ай бұрын

178 likes and no replies ? Lemme fix that real quick

@thatguymaty

3 ай бұрын

178 likes and no replies at all ? Lemme fix that real quick

@atharvasg5418

3 ай бұрын

@@thatguymaty you fixed nothing

@thechessplayer8328

3 ай бұрын

Cuz it’s not that funny

@RubixstewYT

2 ай бұрын

​@thatguymaty oh my God you're so funny

Asking if a human could best stockfish is like "Could you beat a gorilla in a fight"

@jonboybluegaming

Жыл бұрын

I actually like this analogy. Like yea maybe I could survive (= to a draw) but no shot I win

@enacoid93

Жыл бұрын

@@jonboybluegaming if you survive to a gorilla it means you kill him lol no other chances unless he fell in love with you but idk if it’s a draw..

@srijanbhowmick9570

Жыл бұрын

@@enacoid93 lmao

@nacl8129

Жыл бұрын

@@enacoid93 use a gun

@shawnsimmons4718

Жыл бұрын

Well you'd actually have better odds against a gorilla. You could get lucky and poke its eye out and the gorilla would submit.

I would absolutely love to see Hikaru and Magnus working together, discussing moves against stockfish, knowing they can't win, but trying to make it a very good game

@mouadtaha

Жыл бұрын

I think their problem would be instantly and fundamentally obvious, they would probably not understand computer moves until later in the game I assume, maybe if they changed the way they see chess it would be different story idk

@shootingblueyes

Жыл бұрын

I think they would probably be able to predict the computer's moves to a point, but it would be interesting to see at what points they diverged.

@DomenG33K

Жыл бұрын

@@shootingblueyes Yeah they could see pretty deep for sure, especially in a long game. I think they can pull of a "lucky" draw here and there. But the engine sees perfectly 30 deep and humans can't do that...

@luisyfonsy711

11 ай бұрын

​@@DomenG33Kengines don't see perfectly 30 moves deep, because they make mistakes, and they don't calculate all the lines. Stockfish 16 is incredibly good at pruning, so that it can cut down an insane amount of the position's it needs to calculate, but even then it can miss moves, or miss evaluate the position. Different computers see different lines and evaluate positions differently at the same depth.

@RitaTheCuteFox

8 ай бұрын

If it would consider ALL moves it wouldn't get past depth 10. lol@@luisyfonsy711

The roast to Alexandra Botez 💀🤣😭

@rykehuss3435

Жыл бұрын

Hikaru's chance of beating SF 15 is actually higher than Alexandra Botez's chance of beating HIkaru in classical, assuming SF 15 classical rating is 3600. But thats only in theory, in practice both Hikaru's and Alexandra's win chance is effectively 0%. Draw chance a bit higher than that, but not much. Still starts with 0.

@Baggerz182

Жыл бұрын

repent to God

@TheAluvisify

Жыл бұрын

I didn't really think it was a roast or any sort of disrespect. It's just true. The whole point of the ELO system, in the first place, was to calculate the chance of one individual beating another, and Alex is just a well-known figure in the rating range that illustrates Hikaru's point.

@SquidScopes

Жыл бұрын

I think the levi comparison would've be better.

@alfiecollins5617

Жыл бұрын

Levi has a much stronger chance of beating Hikaru than Hikaru has of beating Stockfish.

It would be pretty darn cool to play with Magnus against Stockfish and see if you could draw.

@MechPaul

Жыл бұрын

That'd be the close equivalent to Levy and Botez trying to beat Hikaru together. It's not going to happen. ELOs can't be added like that.

@rykehuss3435

Жыл бұрын

@@MechPaul btw its Elo not ELO. Its not an abbreviation

@terer9270

Жыл бұрын

​@@rykehuss3435 actually☝️🤓

@rykehuss3435

Жыл бұрын

@@terer9270 "actually☝🤓" - 🤓

@Rami-bi9xj

Жыл бұрын

​@Rykehuss " "actually☝️🤓"☝️🤓" ☝️🤓

Hikaru playing Stockfish is like him feeling what it is like to be 400 elo again.

@kaivalyakhairnar305

Жыл бұрын

It ain't that much but I get your point.

@universecreator988

Жыл бұрын

@@kaivalyakhairnar305 It's that much. Give Hikaru 1 hour and stockfish 1 minute and stockfish will still beat him

@vedantgupta2145

Жыл бұрын

@@universecreator988 cuz stockfish plays in less than a sec

@advaitvibhute72

Жыл бұрын

@@universecreator988 but Hikaru isnt bad at chess , it's just that Stockfish is much much better , 400 elo is simply being bad at chess

@mrmarkius4855

Жыл бұрын

​@@advaitvibhute72the point is hikaru is bad at chess in the eyes of stockfish

The one human who can beat Stockfish - Hans Niemann

@anupamranaway3113

Жыл бұрын

Hans Nieman be like- Hold my vibrator...

@adnanebelfaquir

Жыл бұрын

Chess speaks for itself

@contextinvideos

7 ай бұрын

@@adnanebelfaquir vibrates for itself*

@allantamayovilla8911

5 ай бұрын

No wtf 😂

@user-sp2ps5dg9m

5 ай бұрын

It would be a vibrating game.

New mythical chess player unlocked: Alexander Botez

@maxzweistein8951

Жыл бұрын

Rather average player, but a mythical skin.

@chirag9899

Жыл бұрын

​@@maxzweistein8951 bro💀💀

@happygood18

Жыл бұрын

​@@maxzweistein8951 💀💀💀

@pold111

4 ай бұрын

@@maxzweistein8951 expensive account but cardboard rank

Just imagine Magnus and hikaru in one stream teaming up against stockfish.... Could you ask for a better content than that Edit("I didn't expect that this will get 1.8k likes") Edit("now it's 2,6k I can't believe it")

@omaralqrni5424

Жыл бұрын

Hello same name and i would rot to see that happen

@blackjack6406

Жыл бұрын

They'd get destroyed unfortunately. Make 2 1800 players team up vs 1 2800 player, it won't help.

@rasmust8044

Жыл бұрын

@@blackjack6406 ya thats true but it would be entertaining

@eve_biotech

Жыл бұрын

@themagnuscarlsen please give the people what they want

@dima1330

Жыл бұрын

In chess boxing and robot wins

Hikaru and Magnus trying to draw stockfish together would be epic, please make it happen

@ronalddoctor8622

2 ай бұрын

Who will fund the Match?

I'd love to watch Hikaru and Magnus pair up against stockfish. That would be a good stream. Just hearing their discussion and analysis of the moves.

@travisbickle3835

Жыл бұрын

i heard stockfish doesn't wanna play against those losers

@aspirin02

Жыл бұрын

That's actually impossible. Because they couldn't agree on the moves. There would need to be a team of GMs to play and vote for best moves, like in Kasparov vs world. I think Kasparov won that one BTW

@joshhfletchh4841

3 ай бұрын

@@aspirin02 well i think the problem is that you wouldn't gain much from pairing as they would almost definitely see the same moves 98% of the time, especially when discussing

Room full of Super GMs vs Stockfish would be an incredible match

@kheireddineattala1281

8 ай бұрын

classical time controls too

@AryanDevkota500

3 ай бұрын

Use Full Super GMs, full Computers and everything- Stockfish will still win..its that much bettah

@zirael4993

3 ай бұрын

@@AryanDevkota500 yes but still would be an incredible match

@rahultempnew

2 ай бұрын

As Hikaru explained, it will be something like a group of 2000 rated players playing against Hikaru, would it be an incredible match, I very much doubt so.

@ronalddoctor8622

2 ай бұрын

Question is who will fund the Match?

When AlphaGo first came out and its strength was still not entirely clear they had five top Go players team up to play against it, discussing moves, playing out variations etc. They lost ofc, but it was still an interesting format to see players collaborate to find the best move. I'd love to see Hikaru and Magnus do something like this

@A_Swarm_of_Waspcrabs

Жыл бұрын

It would make for good content, but it wouldn't help their odds against Stockfish. There have been several attempts at combining multiple chess engines to beat Stockfish/Lc0- all you get is an average performance from the ensemble.

@Hello-jh1rq

11 ай бұрын

@@A_Swarm_of_Waspcrabs Well yea ofc combining multiple chess engines wouldn't really improve their performance, however combining two similarly rated players can definitely improve their performance compared to one, since they can discuss ideas and prevent inaccuracies as long as one of them sees it. Not that they would win against stockfish, but they would still be stronger than just one of them.

@TheGuyCalledX

7 ай бұрын

The simul game you're talking about was long after AlphaGo (under the pseudonym Master) destroyed 50 pros in a row online. It's strength was already clear to everyone in the go community, and many players began copying its moves and ideas, such as the early 3-3 invasion of a star point

Honestly Magnus and Hikaru against stockfish would truly be peak content

@pauldavis5665

5 ай бұрын

They would still lose every game. It is not like having two grandmasters magically doubles their elo rating. They are still only as strong as their strongest player (in other words Magnus).

@tristanbryan3067

5 ай бұрын

@@pauldavis5665 content isn't always about winning dude it would be super entertaining to see both of them talk about the positions and joke around and stuff and occasionally win. Also Magnus had beaten stockfish before I think Hikaru also has in the past

@pauldavis5665

5 ай бұрын

@@tristanbryan3067 okay dude

@Just_a-guy

3 ай бұрын

​@@tristanbryan3067if you have some weaker version or bad computer and flag it. But in pure skill and understanding of the game stockfish eats both of them. Even consolidation between top20 supergms would be nothing. Machine for a few years right now are far beyond human reach

In my experience playing stockfish it likes to make these moves that I don’t understand. It is only 8-10 moves later that I realize the weird move he made completely destroys my position and my plan.

But Stockfish literally doesn't care either.

I would pay HARD cash to watch Magnus, Garry Kasporov, and Hikaru come to together to try and draw against stockfish. Unlimited time.

@metactal

Ай бұрын

the top 5 chess players spend a week in a small house with the sole purpose of taking the time to discuss moves and draw stockfish indomitable human spirit moment

I was expecting this to be about a match with Hikaru and Magnus on one side vs Stockfish. That could be fun to watch, as they communicate their ideas to eachother. Two heads should be better than one, right?

@yemioffem4015

Жыл бұрын

Yes, better than 1 head but pales in comparison to a high quality algorithm on an ok CPU...

@24stakaman

Жыл бұрын

2 heads compared to millions of heads...not a chance

Its basically asking a toddler to beat up the strongest gorilla 1 on 1

You and Magnus with 30 minutes, Stockfish with 5. Go.

@chanddd2

Жыл бұрын

stockfish plays moves in 0,1 sec lmao.

@aayushpatel5208

Жыл бұрын

@@chanddd2 no, it needs to calculate the best move

@asgasgasfasfad

Жыл бұрын

@@aayushpatel5208 Barley tbh it will go depth 20 in a few seconds on a old iphone lol

@aughlnal7333

Жыл бұрын

not even close

@user-mt2jm7vy6i

Жыл бұрын

5 seconds will be an overkill. We tested SF vs fruit, 2nd best chess engine of 2008 and which was on par with fritz that beat Kramnik. Sf on 8 seconds / game won vs fruit having classical TC with like 500 elo gap, winning 92 games / 100.

Thumbnail is such a good idea. Imagine magnus and hikaru having to debate about each move playing for one side against some challenging opponent. Would give even better insight into their processes when they must discuss with each other towards common goal

I would love to see him trying to draw a stockfish

Some mathematical background: the numbers in the ELO rating system are designed in such a way that you are 10 times better than your opponenet for every 400 rating difference. In other words, if you are facing an opponent rated 400 points higher, you are expected to get 1 point in 10 games (draws being worth half a point). We add another 400 points on top of that for a total of 800 difference, that becomes an expected 1 point in 100 games. Hikaru says stockfish is 1000 rating higher, that means that for Hikaru to get 1 point, they would need to play on average 316 times.

@Harishiv18

Жыл бұрын

But there would be a point where the difference is high enough that the denominator becomes infinity no? 1/350 is almost as good as 0 points

@Lightn0x

Жыл бұрын

@@Harishiv18 I mean... it's 1 in 350, not 1 in 10 billion.

@IN-pr3lw

Жыл бұрын

​@Lightn0x I think saying stockfish is 800 elo above Hikaru is being super generous too. Stockfish will basically beat Hikaru / not lose every single time. If Hikaru played a match against stockfish for every millisecond of his life he wouldn't win a single game even if he lived to 1000 years old. My point is that these bots are out of our league and have been for ages. (You probably already know this though lol)

@IN-pr3lw

Жыл бұрын

@Shisiiii if Hikaru were to play 316 matches against stockfish, stockfish would result as the winner every time. (Using the math)

@TFWPLSSUB

7 ай бұрын

That's a weird system, why 400 instead of like 100, 1000, or maybe even 10

Asking if a human can beat stockfish is like asking if a human can calculate faster than a calculator

@huseyintok02

Жыл бұрын

Manuel Akanji can!

@francy3643

11 ай бұрын

​@@huseyintok02he cannot

@francy3643

11 ай бұрын

Ask him to do 63737228838013783-2838474728229 and a calculator will be faster

@huseyintok02

11 ай бұрын

@@francy3643 Yes he can!🕶 You can save those random numbers for another day, lad!

@Kebabbing

10 ай бұрын

​@@huseyintok02That's the point. A calculator doesn't care if they are "random numbers", it just gives the result

I'm remembering the Kasparov vs the world game in 1999 It might actually be an entertaining game of correspondence chess to have "Every 2700+ Classical Player with 1 Day to Agree on a Move", vs "stockfish at the highest depth it can reach in 10 seconds". Not sure how many players would agree to such a farcical game but I would hope they can at least hold a draw

@dandymcgee

Жыл бұрын

Considering Kasparov won that game vs. 50,000 people, I'm pretty sure Stockfish could trivially smoke all current GMs.

@ME0WMERE

9 ай бұрын

On my computer, the latest version of stockfish from github reached a depth of 31 before stopping during depth 32, from the start pos. In 10 seconds. On one thread. After a few arbitrary moves, it reached depth 29. Maybe the humans might stand a chance of winning a single game if stockfish had 10 milliseconds per move. Who knows.

10 seconds into the video man is already destroying Feelings and Lives 😂

It would be so cool if Hikaru and Magnus teamed up against Stockfish, and it would probably be the most watched chess video of all time

Damn, this stockfish guy must be one smart kiddo

Stockfish : " you foolish humans don't ever think of beating me even in your dream"

Hikaru is very good at keeping a level headed cold objective analysis of the situation

It’s like asking pro CS players to beat five spinbot aimbots. It’s just an incapability

hikaru ceiling stockfish

take a drink everytime he says stockfish.

nice humility!

"I literally understand nothing about chess, compared to stockfish'' Another ''I literally..." tshirt.??

Id love to see them tryna work out one draw with no time limit together tbh

Bro is going ham on Botez 💀

Hikaru throws the best side disses on youtube. Hes gotten Giri Levi botez, still waiting on the Carlson one

Bro really said Botez doesn't even know chess to him.

Gms assembling to beat stockfish sounds like power rangers combining powers to become the megazord

@kheireddineattala1281

8 ай бұрын

and get sqaushed, unfortunately for humanity

I mean stockfish is so strong that he beat the 4th dimensonial chesster, chatgpt.

stockfish be the guy to ask hikaru how the horse moves

Hikaru should play Stockfish until he draws a game.

lol, he didn't have to do Alexandra Botez so dirty 🤣

Hans would do with 100% accuracy 😂

He play stockfish with taking away a minor piece. If he still loses, take away a Queen at the start of the game, etc. To see up to where he can.

They should take a number of the top players and make them team up against Stockfish in a correspondence game, just like they did with Kasparov vs the world.

@1mol831

9 ай бұрын

Why not stockfish and top players vs exhaustive chess search algorithm? When we have the computational power.

When you make the first move against Stockfish and it's already found a way to win.

Andrew Tang: You underestimate my power

Two worlds collide.

Hikaru already drew against and that's probably where the limits of humans are against todays robots at chess.

It's crazy how Hikaru sees Stockfish like we see Hikaru

An aquarium fish beats two men, watch without registration and SMS

Asking if hikaru and magnus can beat stockfish is like asking if the strongest man can beat a bear or a gorilla. Stockfish isnt human, it is on whole different league

xD trolling i love it

I think in the future, every move would be a gambit lwading to either white or black winning

Would be fun to see a challenge, Hikaru 20min vs stockfish 1second no ponder and see if he can manage to draw one game out of 10.

Daniel, give me coffee

Botez catching strays

The difference between a World Champion and stockfish in rating is higher than the difference between a WFM and a GM.

Stray bullet to Alex😂💔

well if the super GM says it, I don't know what else to say

Botez family was no harmed in this video

“Stawkfish”

They asked bro if he could be stockfish and he started going off on alexandra 😭🙏

Assuming Stockfish is 3600 Elo and using Hikaru's peak FIDE rating of 2816 his odds of drawing are actually more like 1 in 200 To win it's about 1 in 26,400 but at that point the difference between that and zero is academic

i loose to stockfish level 4 regularly LOL

I think he's trying to explain that he is worse at chess than Stockfish.

reality check

So you're saying there's a chance

Stockfish in a nutshell: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 “Blunder. I have a forced checkmate in 1937492738 moves.”

Stock fish is a computer, you can’t beat it

Alexandra catching mad strays out here

didnt he beat a major engine by tricking it into a closed pawn game then getting it to trade its knights and bishops to take his rooks which are worthless in that setting? Seemed very clever.

How many moves would Hikaru or Magnus survive in a duel with stockfish? According to engine tests, it appears to be around 70-75

@siraj_a.r.411

Ай бұрын

According to stockfish tests 💀

I know hes talking real shit but everytime he talks it sounds sarcastic lmao

The problem comparing to stockfish is no human can calculate the millions of possible combos that exist after each love. Stockfish set to high depth cannot be beaten.

It’s okay hikaru, I can’t beat stockfish either.

Bro roasted alexander botez in 69 differenr languages 💀

How to say the exact same thing in 200 different ways for a minute and 17 seconds

Me, rocky of chess, know who is hikaru and magnus but no idea who is stockfish

Hans Niemann is like 50/50 against Stockfish xd

Ok but could Hikaru beat stockfish?

@Fritz_Haarmann

Жыл бұрын

In a fight? Yes, he'd rip it's head off and it it for lunch.

@Rohit-hk6nd

Жыл бұрын

No

@Zenith9132

Жыл бұрын

​@@cheshirecat111 no

@happygood18

Жыл бұрын

Does human have 3 eyes? No Does human really have 3 eyes? No The person who's aking questions must be from Ohio💀💀💀💀

@TFWPLSSUB

7 ай бұрын

​​@@happygood18but is he really from Ohio?

Magnus and hikaru would still be crushed by stockfish

Chess is a solved game.

Can you please do a 100 game series vs stockfish

Stockfish:e4 Human:e5 Stockfish: Blunder. Mate in 40

try against stockfish but it has like a depth of 10

You can't even get a draw imao. Unless stockfish is down a piece. I know magnus Carlsen bot can beat stockfish if the engine is down a full bishop

@happygood18

Жыл бұрын

Magnus bot is way more stronger than actual Magnus. Infact it looks like a mini version of stockfish. See Real Magnus vs Kid magnus bot on Magnus Carlsen's official channel. That bot wins.

Now, now. You could have a brain aneurysm and Botez could beat vegetable Hikaru. But stockfish?

They _never_ blunders.

The thing about rating in chess is that it is absolutely non-linear, and more arguably exponential. The difference between a 400-500 is microscopic, compared to the difference of a 2400-2500. Put that into the context of Stockfish being 1000 rating higher, when Hikaru peaked 2816... beating Stockfish is unfeasible.

PLEEEEAAASEEEE YOU AND MAGNUS AGAINST STOCKFISH OR KOMODO IS ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING MATCHES FANS ARE DREAMING WITH

What if you could spend 10 hours on each move and compare with Magnus and other GM's. Would you still lose?

@haksndn8915

Жыл бұрын

If that's the scenario, then they all might stand a chance

@varunkrishnaswamy4252

Жыл бұрын

Even if they have a full week per move they lose

@Rohit-hk6nd

Жыл бұрын

We infact will lose.....but many IMs,FMs will definitely win with that time I guess

@xArda58

Жыл бұрын

I think a draw would be the outcome

@PencilNova

Жыл бұрын

If stockfish plays one of the best openings chances are it will win, otherwise theres a possibility for a draw

I despise these ads.

Why the video is on loop

Hikaru and Magnus with 4 moves advantage vs stokfish , but without crossing the 4rd rank. That will be interesting...otherwise they have no chance.

@yoru120

Жыл бұрын

That would probably white with 2 central pawns on the 4th rank and 2 developed knights on c3 and f3 vs black (by back & forth knight to skip the first 4 moves). Magnus and Hikaru would have clear advantage with this and definitely can win, only if they don't make any inaccurate move (not even talk about mistakes or blunder).

Chess is a game of engines " i hate chess , i hate chess ,i hate chess" Bobby fischer

Didn’t stockfish 15.1 NNUE break into 4000? That would make a 1225 elo difference or something. Or the difference between Hikaru and a 1550. That’s far below national masters level, and more like the guys at your local club who do it competitively though. Yeah that’s a massive ass difference. Also why do people think having 2 super GM’s together will work? If you have 2 1550 rated players, will they beat hikaru? Hell nah.

When humans have a 70 point gap in IQ, it's hard to communicate. Being on the higher end of that equation, we can understand how it would be hard to communicate with a person with a 50 or 60 IQ level. But we can't really understand how it must feel for a 210 IQ to dumb it down for us because we lack that perspective. Likewise, we lack the perspective of how far ahead of us AI is. We can only use tools like chess ratings to show the gap and extrapolate how that equates to real world results. So when Hikaru says he doesn't understand chess compared to Stockfish, he's not being hyperbolic.

@IN-pr3lw

Жыл бұрын

Exactly it's crazy. Magnus or Hikaru basically can never win against stockfish no matter how many games they play even if the number of games played is beyond our comprehension