Heroku was good for startups and MVPs. When startups hit production and start making profit, they begin to scale and purchase more services on their platform (Heroku). Honestly I thought this was their business model, if not they are messing up badly

@dickrichard626

Жыл бұрын

I'm not really involved in any of this and didn't know what Heroku was before, but out of curiosity I went to the website and all I got out of it is that they host a bunch of weird apps, that no one uses and I didn't see anything about other types of services on there. Pretty sure they are just trying to make more money and focusing on the handful of small successes they have, rather then all the random everything else, free users do with them that's basically farts in the wind. I don't know what I'm talking about though, this is just makes sense to me. Also some free users have tons of apps and they're basically charging per "slug", which basically translates to per charging per app. So it's to get people that do that to either pay through the nose, reduce their usage, or move on.

@MyPhuckDub

Жыл бұрын

@@dickrichard626 Heroku free tier used by millions, many new developers who started to learn hosted their hobby site there. I would say Heroku was lucky if 1 out of 1000 would upgrade to paid tier. It was definitely a money sink.

@zdenomirga1546

Жыл бұрын

5 a 7u tu

@danielniels22

Жыл бұрын

and school/college project

Easily the most helpful video I've ever seen on KZread. Always good content, but this one is pure gold. Thank you

To put into perspective how far gone Heroku is, I used it for years to learn and to prototype ideas. After they dropped the free tier AND had a security incident in the same year, I did everything i could to migrate a current production app that I’m building to AWS. I don’t think I’m ever going back. End of an era tbh.

RIP Heroku, we will miss you😥. Still we have a Netlify❤

@rfryanfavour4369

Жыл бұрын

Not for backend

500 MB RAM + 8 vCPU: Heroku = $7 Railway = $165 1 GB RAM + 1 vCPU: DigitalOcean = $6 Railway = $30 The above is true supposing you use 100% of the resources constantly for the entire month. While for most people, that won't be the case, I rather pay $5-10 a month max than saving that same money and pray my service don't grow cause it can get out of hands. The 8 vCPU come handy in Heroku for high traffic services, in my tests, Heroku was able to handle 10-15x more traffic than DigitalOcean. The clear limitation is the low RAM memory as you have to run a light service, or one that uses a lot of third parties APIs.

I just found out about Heroku 2 days ago and noticed they are removing their free tier. I'm deploying all of my frontends on Vercel anyway, but I needed a solution for hosting a Strapi instance which is not so easy on Vercel. So this video comes just in time. Thanks Theo, helpful as always!

man, I'm watching you for quite a while now. you're very authentic and interesting, I never skip one of your videos and I'm really grateful to get all this knowledge for free. I took my company an boost jumped it a couple of levels with the t3 stack! We're using next with trpc, prisma with planetscale on vercel. thank you! I don't remember when I enjoyed developing this much.

@lucasjames8281

3 ай бұрын

This shill is not authentic

will always be digital ocean fan. their blog content has saved my ass on more than 30 occasions - deploy an open source container management server for $5/mo and deploy container after container to f**k around with and learn, awesome.

@quintencabo

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@lashlarue7924

4 ай бұрын

yup, it still works for me

Great tips! Definitely considering Planetscale and Railway. Those had definitely pulled my interest for what I'm building.

@joshix833

2 ай бұрын

Yep, planetscale is a great option lol

This quickly became my favorite web dev channel (with web dev simplified)! I really love the pace, the tone, the insights! Thanks Theo

@laliluleloMG

Жыл бұрын

Same hahaha web dev and Theo are amazing check his previous videos and join twitch if you can when its live

@recursion.

Жыл бұрын

sure if you have all day to watch youtube but 12 minute video for really a 3 minute content is very lowly

@creatorsremose

Жыл бұрын

Web Dev Simplified is just a hack who copycats the greats 3-4 weeks late. Also his tik-toky style cringes the juice out of me.

@cowliqour1051

Жыл бұрын

10 seconds into the first video and already agree!

So glad he didn't mention firebase

@semyaza555

Жыл бұрын

Firebase gets a lot more of undeserved hate.

@kennedychidi7012

Жыл бұрын

😄😄😄👌 Men you're on point

@silvio2402

Жыл бұрын

Why? I don’t currently use Firebase, but I’ve played with it before and found it quite nice. Legit just wondering why you believe that Firebase isn’t good? Thanks

@rogerlima8961

Жыл бұрын

@@silvio2402 I'm not too, I'm in supabase, but I've already listened Theo saying about the price for the service is too expensive.

@silvio2402

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerlima8961 Oh, got it. But I think the free tier is already pretty powerful. I thought this was more going in the direction of mere hate towards Google.

I have a feeling that some of these free tiers won't last too long in this economy

@abcdefg91111

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeonthebox they have? damnit!

@lambgoat2421

Жыл бұрын

You can still install Dokku yourself

Started mainly with frontend development and recently dipping my toe into the backend using the MERN stack. I was so naive just trying to deploy my server and client files all into vercel. Came across Heroku but their free their plan was gone. Wasted something a little more cheaper and then came across your channel! Gotta try out railway :D thanks for this video!

@curiously-cinnamon

8 ай бұрын

You, from the past, sounds like me, from the present. Right now I'm doing exactly that. I am trying to deploy my expressjs server and nextjs client files all into vercel. I don't know why that's naive. Can you help me?

@Ansh77K

7 ай бұрын

​@@curiously-cinnamonI'm in same position as you, i tried hosting server side on vercel , my main objective was to host a websocket but turn out vercel doesn't provide service to host node socket io express server I switched to another free service which allows websocket hosting using node , but only problem is after few hours they turn off the server to save their cost (for free users I think).

Just yesterday I was talking with a friend about where to host databases/websites/etc. This helped a lot, thanks!

Just learn AWS. And if you learn it well it can help you a lot with your career. Nobody will ask you if you know Railway or Render in any serious company. But if you know AWS that's a huge plus.

Tried Railway for the first time today. Created a Node/Express/SQLite project, created a repository, and Railway did the rest. Database costs are nihil because of SQLite. Very impressed by how easy it was to set up. Only downfall for me is the location of the server - west coast USA to Down Under.. Hope this will improve in the coming year.

@LukeFrisken

Жыл бұрын

Fly has a region in Sydney, maybe a good alternative

@radagon6919

10 ай бұрын

Does it support cookie storage tho?

@benpleysier

10 ай бұрын

@@radagon6919 cookie storage is part of the browser and has nothing to do with the server.

Great content, man. I'm already using Vercel for my APIs and MongoDB (free tier) for my databases. But still I need a free SQL hosting. Thank you very much. 👏👏👏

@lutfiikbalmajid

Жыл бұрын

for sql i am using planetscale

Thank you for the video. I am grateful for your time and contribution. Kind regards, Akira.

Very underrated channel, it became my favorite channel in couple weeks. Thanks Theo! We appreciate you!

I really like how you explain things, I've spent 3 days trying to understand the differences between some of the companies you mention, and your opinionated point of view is really helpful

I recently discovered self-hosted Caprover. I love it. Especially for my small hobby projects. I have ~$10 2-core and 4 GB VPS and I can have multiple databases, projects on this one instance

@thvozdovic

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you configure cache, otherwise your server can freeze randomly like mine did

@beedhanbhuwai

Жыл бұрын

coolify is also really cool alternative to caprover

@NathanielBabalola

Жыл бұрын

Is this per month ? I'm looking for a free tier Linux server

@konyein

Жыл бұрын

@@thvozdovic how do you do that?

@jordixboy

Жыл бұрын

In kimsufi you get a dedicated machine for 5 bucks.

Cloud Run (GCP) is _for sure_ my particular “go to” for running a Docker Image. It’s a real stand out in terms of ease of use, at least for me. I’d put that under “easy” or “medium.” Just for that, GCP ranks high on my docker hosting list.

It IS very helpful - thanks so much!

Wow! Thanks man, really helpful content!

Yeah dude, teaching myself web dev became much more fun when I learned about netlify. You can throw html css and js into a folder, drag and drop it, and then point a domain to your project and then boom--you have your own website.

Thanks Theo! This is the best explanation of the landscape that I've seen.

The video I was looking for. Thanks!

The intro is hilarious. That's enough for a subscription

We use a CentOS server set up on Digital Ocean. Was a bit of work to get set up perfectly, but now we can deploy pretty much any type of application in a couple clicks, fed through an Nginx reverse proxy.

Have you heard of Altogic it's kinda like Firebase actually a direct competitor would love to hear about your opinions on it

Frontend guys really need to stop fearing databases, websockets etc... Just saying

@Ctrl_Alt_Elite

Жыл бұрын

They just sound scary, okay?! 😂

@Gelo2000origami

Жыл бұрын

I was really scared and didn't really *get* backend until I learned about express, and later on next.js. Then also understood it in other languages

@userfuckeri

Жыл бұрын

i afraid not databases but bad databases design ;D It's brings so much pain

The planetscale recommendation aged reall well

Last time I tested Railway I missed the option from Heroku to just shutdown a project and let it sleep while I am not using/developing it. But I don't found this. Only chance to stop consuming the free hours was to delete all the instances 😢and then I need to redeploy and then I start with a empty database. I miss this pause option at RailWay

Please talk about the different _x_ Driven Development's in next stream; what their differences are and when you should use which 🙏. All these different processes like TDD, BDD, CDD, DDD, FDD, more like crippling OCD lmao. What's most common in fast moving startups?

Thank you for always giving us so much delicious info. 🤤

Thank you so much, you help me to solve a lot of time in learning php i think if i am learn it i can host my app in heroku but now i will continue with python and js which i already know it, thank you for the second time (and i am sorry if you don't understand some thing because my english is bad)

Very straightforward and easy to follow thank you!

8:33 is a gem of a comment. Awesome overview.

Thanks again for this. My old webhost just hit me with a price hike so I'm looking to switch things up.

This is very useful. Good preach!

Great video ! I would love it if you will make one for serverless computing . I have been using vercel (easy ) and Aws (hard)

Where can I deploy my MERN project? I am having problems when i want to unwrap this with vercel.

Any tips for simplifying the process of logging in to multiple services just to manage the different components of your app?

Isn't cloudflare pages as easy as netlify for deploying websites?

Have you seen oracle cloud service free tier !!! This should be on top

@Frostbytedigital

3 ай бұрын

As a 2 year free tier oracle customer I'm shocked this isn't a hugely up voted comment. I run multiple personal sites on one free tier compute instance. As an aws engineer daytoday who could deploy there easily if I wanted.

I wish Theo had also commented on Dokku

Thanks for the short videos.

an excellent guide, thank you

does RAILWAY support Spring Boot deployment for REST API backend?

Which do you recommend for hosting a message queue service?

Excelente vídeo 😋

4 years back I used Heroku, in final year college project. It was awesome to use as beginner.

Great, thanks Theo

can i pause my railway mySQL instance so i'ts only up during development? for my hobby project so that the free tier doesn't hit the limit of 500h/month

@vitor.vanacor

Жыл бұрын

Yes

where were u when heroku die i was on internet watching theodore "heroku is kill" "finally"

what you guys think of next js, with rest api and frontend hosted on cloud run? Worrying about ssg/ssr.

@aleksandermirowsky7988

Жыл бұрын

I tried this, it works okay if you set it to always keep a "warm" instance to avoid cold starts. If you always have to deal with cold starts, however, it takes way to long to spin up your container. It's a viable solution, if you have about 200k requests per mount with a minimum number of instances set to 1, you will be spending about 20 USD per month. Since the point of this video is finding free solutions, I assume spending 20 USD/month is not the goal, so I don't think it would fit as a viable alternative.

@sanesanyo

Жыл бұрын

@@aleksandermirowsky7988 I don't think cold start is that big of an issue as you make it to be. As far your container is not oversized, the cold starts are pretty quick. I am using Cloud run currently for my Nextjs app. Rest you are right about. It is not free so you will have pay for container resources.

@aleksandermirowsky7988

Жыл бұрын

@@sanesanyo I was under the impression that container size did not affect startup times. Quoting Cloud Run docs: "Because of Cloud Run's container image streaming technology, the size of your container image does not affect cold start or request processing time. The container image size also does not count towards the available memory of your container." Admittedly, I haven't attempted this in a while (more than one year) and both NextJS and Cloud Run have received updates/upgrades since, so I guess it could have improved. I will test it out again, thanks for the tip!

@sanesanyo

Жыл бұрын

@@aleksandermirowsky7988 Well you could be right but that has been my experience with cloud run. Smaller images start faster. Once they start, the response times are rather similar. But in one case I just deployed an API using fastapi serving a ml model so the comparison is not fair. Nonetheless I don't think cold start is that big an issue at the start. Once you reach scale, cold start wont be a problem. Let me know how it goes for you :).

It's Render for me. Their monorepo stuff combined with Docker support is something no one else is even coming close to. Combined with Preview Deployments that clone prod to those envs is :chef_kiss:

Why didn't you mention Linode or Digital Ocean as an option?

Great video!

Been using Railway for small projects for almost 2 months now and it's great.

@Hunt92

Жыл бұрын

I dont get the trail period thing

@micaelvieira6724

Жыл бұрын

I've used it for database hosting and it was painfully slow to query. I find supabase much better

@max-c14

Жыл бұрын

@@Hunt92 you get 500 free hours or $5 worth of compute

@quelchx

Жыл бұрын

@@micaelvieira6724 I haven't used it for larger applications -- but saying that your query speeds might not be because of Railway, but rather because of your the code your using to communicate with it. If you have a working example I can test to see how slow this is send me a link.

@riccardotoniolo9604

Жыл бұрын

@@max-c14 how much is the cost to have a full month? (500h cover only ~20 days)

ty for this video, i've just recently discovered heroku and deployed 2 pet projects there, but few days later they decided to remove free plans lol. Time to find a new place to settle, i guess 😅

How to deploy spring boot? Previously using heruko

Thanks 🙏 man. I just got a notification by Heroku. It was so sudden. They didn't made the limitations stricter, they just killed their free tier as a concept. 🤮

Qovery is a good alternative, await for a review by you !! :D

u know the best thing about ur video is that with problems u are providing solution and alternatives to them also

When you say host a website, I assume this means frontend and backend? and then the DB is there or somewhere else? I suppose I am just not very experienced with multi-cloud setups. Every site I have built has been fully within a single cloud. What about like VPCs and all that? These DBs are just exposed publicly (Only secured by the password)? A full demo deployment would be pretty cool (Frontend + Backend + DB)

Am trying to host a website on heroku couldnt deploy it because of static files directory not found. Would it be easier to host Django web on railway

Cloud9 IDE used to be a great free alternative for hobbyist projects... until it got absorbed by AWS and buried deep under the mountain of their paid services. It was instrumental in my learning about web dev but also Linux in general, setting up servers like Nginx/Caddy/Apache, deploying to Heroku (interestingly enough)… even though I had a potato laptop that could barely stay on for 2hrs at a time and was so slow that it was a miracle it could run a Firefox browser at all 😅As long as my potato could communicate with my c9 workspace, only it had to be snappy and stable. That was almost 10 years ago ! Fun times 😊

@randerins

Жыл бұрын

OMG...I'm pretty sure I've heard of Cloud9 sometime during my very early projects. And I'm almost sure it was related to a Rails app.

Started using railway for myswl backend, its amazing. However I dont like the 500 hour limit, this means you only have 21 days (from what i understand) while its live. Wish there was something like railway but with unlimited run time.

Would be cool to see an annual update to this video

Firebase was pretty easy to set up a website on with a custom domain, probably harder than Vercel though

thank you for the intel chief very helpful time to rebuild my apis which will die soon!

So there isn't an option to have buckets,db and ssr sites hosting? Render is almost there but it has only static hosting.. :/

Thanks, saves me some money and yeah Heroku was nice as long as it lasted. PS! Wher was this video 5 months ago :D

Hello! If I want to make a web app for free, can I just use both free website hosting and free database hosting? Would it work as one app? Thank you!

I completely understand your pain!🙂

Hello, great video, on netlify is possible have website in wordpress?

I am getting "unable to get local issuer certificate" While giving heroin login. Can you help on this

Where does hosting a fullstack MERN project with running a NodeJS server fall into (with MongoDB Atlas in the cloud)?

@MrAmgadHasan

Жыл бұрын

probably aws/gcp/azure and the like

@chetanram797

11 ай бұрын

Render, cyclic, railway.

Thank you very much man.. I am looking for a place to deploy nodejs express to host API

where can I host spring boot API?

Heroku free tier users are now truly serverless lol

Definitely i'm having the best experience with Railway, every week those guys improve soooo many things on the platform

which one would be the cheapest for dynamic Nextjs app

Thank you dude

What works for dynamic website like wordpress? I am designing my own theme

video on storage options for t3?

has anyone tried to deploy angular app to railway because I get constant error while deploying?

good video, props to you

render was much easier for me than vercel + netlify for hosting fullstack

Been using cloud run for awhile. Now that Azure Container Apps are a thing I'm using that a lot since most other stuff we do is Azure.

I have 100$ in azure. Is it worth the time to learn platform? Why its not considered here for hosting? I feel like Microsoft is getting pretty nice for open source with WSL2 and github and openAI. I'm actually more hyped for them than Amazon or even Google.

Would a dynamic Flask webapp that uses a db fall in one of these catagories? Im not familiar with the term docker image..

@SandraWantsCoke

Жыл бұрын

yes

@samvanderstoop179

Жыл бұрын

@@SandraWantsCoke Which one?

Whar about hosting nodejs express ?

Signed up for Railway last week after watching this video, only to see yesterday they removed the Free tier completely. :( Still seems like a great option for $5/mo! And sounded like from their blog post they had no choice due to people abusing the Free tier. It's always the minority ruining it for everyone else...

How can I deploy a Docker container in railway?

Why u didn't mention firebase? Hosting, authentication, storage, two really fast databases with web sockets out of the box. Client SDK with no need of any Redux solutions because it's already there, just turn on persistence. Using persistence, you have full off-line support. You can work on data offline and when you buck up again data will be saved on a remote database. And all this with free tier. I have pay as you go tier and from 7 months I pay literally 0.10-0.50 cents per month.

I wonder if railway will handle docker compose

great video

Can you do a video on Azure with a local agent for next js?