I feel like warden is the closest hero to a knight, but their is some things they said in the trailer which is interesting

@thomasweini9960

Жыл бұрын

Cause its the one we know the most about and dont need much to be accurate

I've always disagreed with the hate that flails get. I own one, and you can do PLENTY of damage when you hit something with it. Maybe that has to do with the fact that the one I own isn't historically accurate in its construction (the head is lead encased in iron), but it has yet to let me down. In regards to Conqueror's backstory, I find it odd that the devs claim that they're former criminals, but then turn around and say that we're supposed to come up with our own story. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe that a conqueror was a regular soldier or man-at-arms who did something noteworthy enough to raise his status to knight. The class strikes me more as a bodyguard to someone wealthy or of nobility, or possibly someone who serves a law enforcement, though perhaps not to the same degree as a Lawbringer.

@RavenKnightYT

3 жыл бұрын

I understand how you feel, and I want to say right now that I do not hate the flail. It is a useful tool. That said, I must remain impartial and truthful. One of the primary reasons it was not a mainstream or common weapon was because it could be damaging to the user. I do not speak from experience, but only from research I've done. That does not mean it's a BAD weapon. It just comes with a drawback which turns many off to it. As for Conqueror...yeah the devs are really not good at these characters. I can fully appreciate your idea, and I do like it. I think it would've made more sense than what they went with.

@deltazenturo1701

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone says the flail is bad because it hits you but if you have handle to chain ratio that’s not an issue

@smileyn7377

2 жыл бұрын

You could pick up a metal stick and it would be way more effective and safer to use. Any weapon requires training to not hit the user is a stupid weapon in my book.

@R41Ryan

2 жыл бұрын

@@smileyn7377 Not sure if that logic applies. Training within ANY weapon starts with learning how to safely handle them. For example, I'm pretty sure gun users first had to learn about the safety mechanism in their guns and certain protocols (such as not looking down or keeping their finger off the trigger) before they actually learn to aim and shoot.

@R41Ryan

2 жыл бұрын

"...but it has yet to let me down" How did you end up in a situation where using a flail was the best course of action? This is far more interesting than conqueror lore if you ask me.

I always figured Conqs were basically bandits, brigands or other criminals who proved to be enough of a threat that they were either hired as mercenaries or were captured and slated for execution but instead handed a shitty weapon, a shield and some old beaten up armor and then sent into the meat grinder (since its implied they only did this when the faction was getting its shit pushed in, so the battles most fledgling Conqs would end up in would be ones where they are massively outmatched). Those who survived long enough might eventually grow in status and be given the rank of "Knight" which seems to be a much looser title in for honor.

@francosamericanmusings1560

Жыл бұрын

Same

I never felt that conq was a heavy hero when the game came out, shugoki was a huge monster with a massive club as a weapon and was quite literally "heavy* and the warlord was a huge thick dude covered in leather armour and used a large shield and sword, not to mention he could push you around and both of them are quite tall, but conq is short, doesn't have much armour and used one of the smaller shields

@Hadras7094

3 жыл бұрын

Lawbringer feels closer to a heavy tbh

@yummylumps9401

3 жыл бұрын

Oh it also didn't help that the Knights had lawbringer, yknow the guy who is literally a juggernaut of a man incased in full steal armour lol

@el.big_conq4642

3 жыл бұрын

The term heavy does not only mean a big bulky hero, it refers to the type of weapon too for example the shield, they count conq as heavy thanks to its weapon or defensive weapon the shield.

Conqueror has been in my top few characters since day 1

I always thought he was basically a footsoldier that got promoted but was too poor for a full knight's armour and weaponry. His shield is pretty much identical to the Knight minions, except with what looks like homemade spikes attached. A lot of his helmet options are like that too, with a lot of similar Kettle helmets to what the minions wear as well - except with weird armoured facemasks. Knights may not have been conscripts, but footsoldiers being former criminals is definitely in the realm of possibility. His flail is weird... but as they were more commonly used as cavalry weapons than anything else, perhaps he was former cavalry (even though cavalry doesn't exist in the game). I dunno. I really like your suggestions though!!

My conqueror is themed on a king and now that i see this damn😔 But dont get me wrong its still hella interesting and the fact that they had to fight on the battlefield to live and earn their reputation is way more interesting and makes him a strong hero

@user-it8ys9yb5q

3 жыл бұрын

Well if you want to create a backstory for your conqueror, you could say that he is an exiled noble that created a mercenary group. Like Blackfire and the golden company from a song of ice and fire.

Well i like the conq but sometimes i wish they just take away the chain put the head on the stick tada mace and i belive it would still fit the conq theme

@victorcharles27

Жыл бұрын

YES 👏

@francosamericanmusings1560

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

You should do all the heroes im looking forward to seeing them all tbhh

I would say do Warmommy but it looks like you already did in her analyses vid. So Do black prior pls and thank you

In feudal societies The army WAS drawn up from the work force Each lord would owe there liege certain amounts of Levy You could also English longbowman were peasants Just they were trained from a young age to use the longbow.

Conqueror looks like an early 12th-13th century Knight however his back story of being a former prisoner turned soldier does happen historically even Knights and Lords did switch sides after capture, though he represents the typical Soldiers under the employment of Medieval armies (usually Proffessional Mercenaries, ironically the most notable contemprary of 12th-13th Century mercs are the Genoese Crossbowmen, though they did also excel in Melee combat.)

Conqueror was, is, and always will be my favorite hero in all of For Honor. As a kid my older brother and I used to love playing outside with toy Weapons and pretending to push back enemies and being heroic Knights. But ofcourse, kids are oblivious to things in life as people grow the learn more evolve with time. I eventually learned about what Monarchy was/is and started really being intrested in Martial Arts and world History as a whole. ( for anyone that is curious yes a training martial arts I have been training in both Kick-Boxing and Jeet Kune Do since I was 13 years old. I also picked up a few things of Muay Thai from a friend here and there ) When I discovered For Honor during E3 2016...it blew my mind. I cannot even begin to explain how hyped I was for that game! And when I discovered that it was based around Vikings vs Samurai vs Knights AND one of the base roster characters was a knight who carried The Flail & Heater Shield as their weapon of choice? I was Fanboying like crazy. I *KNEW* I found my favorite character! That character was basically my childhood imagination personified! A rouge like person who isn't really with a group for the same reasons as the rest but is very loyal and a trustworthy ally nonetheless. What I really like about the year one roster is that they kept with the solid theme of keeping the characters faces covered and hiden. And there's not really much lore to them because the entire premise is that the hero you choose and customize is YOUR personal version of that hero. My Conqueror has it's backstory and same goes for all my heros, but to me Conqueror is the main character. Unusual weapon combination and a mixture of various different armor styles along with having a very unusual Paradox of lore that doesn't really add up nor is it truth/fact in any sense... the character truly does seem like a total elusive mystery and that's why I connect with the character so much. Everything about the Conqueror I just enjoy. I have been completely maxed out and I'm really looking forward to the rework coming in mid April. (2022 as this will be outdated in time)

Hm...well, considering how you mention them a lot in your past videos, maybe you could either do the Valkyrie and their connections to both Valkyries from mythology and historical Shield maidens, with more so on the shield maiden because this is mainly historical groups. My second and third options could be either the Tiandi or Nuxia since you discussed who the other 3 Wu Lin are based on in your analysis videos, so it would be pretty interesting to see who those two would likely be based on from Ancient Chinese culture/historical figures, even if their information is rather limited considering these guys don't have many trailers or even their own character trailers like the other heroes, which is a real shame that Ubisoft never made trailers for the first 4 Wu Lin heroes because I would have like to see what they would have said. Heck, maybe you could insert some stuff from Mulan into either of those two as supplementary evidence/information?

Thanks for the video, I always was fascinated by Conq being criminal/serial killer. Do Shinobi next please.

It’s a shame your channel doesn’t have more views. You make some excellent content.

in short we are ex criminals turned minion who decided “fuck it, im killing this hero” and got promoted but still stayed poor (the armor is that of a poor man, a realism video was done on him by gogodani) the one handed flail was real and was used BUT was mostly on horseback and to say the flail doesn’t hit hard is complete bullshit, use one, ive only had a makeshift piece of shit using a rock, duct tape, and a carved stick, if that pos hits hard so will one made out of steel or iron.

I like your channel, even though I've only watched the for honor history videos for now I like how you don't take away the fact that it is a game like way too many people do, you just put the facts on the table, and I love it, even though I do have something to say and is that for honor does have it own lore, and taking that lore as an explanation for certain things can be helpful, for example the 3 factions are in very poor conditions, that might explain using criminals as soldiers, ofc there might be problems with this argument too.

Maybe the flair is also for intimidation-a skill befitting a bandit.

I absolutely love this series!!!

I really do see the connection to the conqueror and bandits or highwaymen. I also agree that his armor does look like it was taken off a corpse but I like to think a lot of their armor is homemade or maybe even modified armor that was damaged. Idk what do think about my their armor is homemade or just modifications used to repair the armor idea of mine? Same thing with some of the flails and shields too.

Its time. CONQ MAINS RAAAH UP!

Interestingly enough, one of Conq 7+ Armor sets is called the Bandit Lord set. So it's highly likely that your highwayman claims are what Ubi intended. And as per the Knight rank, that's likely just a generalization. At least four members of the Samurai aren't Samurai, but are still considered Samurai due to their higher than usual status and equipment. (The cut dialogue system showed it well, though it's cut nature does make it dubious if it counts)

@phantom0-9

Жыл бұрын

And the Shaman and Highlander aren’t Vikings

Finally, I know what my main is based off of

My boy conq has some space marine shoulder pads

@unoneprofile4518

3 жыл бұрын

For the emperor

I’d love to see your take on the Wu lin heroes

I think the flail is like the medieval nunchuck if you think about that

No matter what backstory he has Conqueror is still my favourite character and he's the reason why I wanted the game in the first place just my opinion

I can say this as a once metalsmith and weapon trainer the flail is a lot more powerful than anybody thinks the ball with a head of the flail could be up to 8 lb and was mostly covered in spikes or stick notches to deal more puncture or precise damage if you've ever been hit by a flail you'll have a change in perspective

I always thought that conquerors were given an offer. As criminals they either be executed or sign up to become a solider and serve because they increased the numbers and they weren't much of a loss. They were probably told that if they serve x mount of years they'll be excused from their crimes. the Armor and weapon is probably comes from that in a way. For example the aromor is cheap and poorly made because the vielder is a criminal. the weapon is bad since a Warden with a long sword(in game) can easily take them out with just reach alone. In terms of being a knight. They might have joined to an order after their service where they would serve longer or just given a pardon. That's how I look at it.

Well I only have one problem with this they said they were criminals not farmers and it would totally make sense to use criminals to fight your war instead of just having them rot away in a cell wasting all that strength they probably still aren’t knights but maybe heavy infantry

You should not kill pesants me doing a villager rush in age of empires 2: interesting

Bandits sacking towns u say??? KCD MUSIC INTENSIFIES

The conqueror wears jeans to war Enough said

This is the video I found your channel I think

He's literally me

Can you do a video about black prior his history in real life

How can I submit my warden costume?

This whole time I’ve been calling them paladins

While Banditry exist all around the world in different cultures, I thought Highwaymen, the famed English ones, operated most of the time in Enlightenment era, where they used flintlocks and dressined in Tricons and overcoats to rob Noble Carriages. I never thought they operated in the medieval period as well.

@RavenKnightYT

2 жыл бұрын

You're right technically. The term highwaymen was coined around the mid 19th century. However, the definition of highwaymen is simply a robber who targets travelers on the road or highway (hence the name). By this definition, such criminals have been active since the days of Rome. However, the term only came into popular use later for this special kind of robber.

Could conscripted criminals become samurai? I heard that sometimes thieves would been hired for their skills, but did any of them make it?

@RavenKnightYT

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent question. The answer is...it depends. If we're talking post Sengoku period (Late 16th century onward) then no. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who became the Chancellor of Japan and Taiko after Nobunaga's death created a class reform making it impossible for anyone not born a samurai to become one. During the Sengoku period, it was common for peasants to take up arms to defend their homes, leading to peasant revolts. To end this, Hideyoshi decreed that all peasants had to give up their weapons and that samurai had to move their families to castle estates. Only if you were BORN a samurai could you be one (which is ironic, considering Hideyoshi himself was born a common peasant and worked his way up to his station). But, before that time period? It was likely rare...but not impossible. To become a samurai required more than just being a skilled warrior. Firstly you had to please your fuedal lord enough that he would WANT you as his vassal. Then there needed to be land for you to own...and that meant the fuedal lord had to have that at his disposal, which wasn't always the case during the sengoku period. In some cases, peasants who took control of large portions of land could form their own samurai clans...that was how many of the first powerful samurai clans came to be, but this wasn't as common during the sengoku period. And finally if you were a criminal, you had to do something REALLY impressive. Bare in mind that meritocracy was not common in Japan. Only a few Daimyo and rulers looked at the abilities of their underlings, but only their family ties. That's part of the reason Toyotomi Hideyoshi rose in station: He was a vassal to Nobunaga, who DID believe firmly in meritocracy. Criminals in Japan often were punished in harsh and brutal ways, including torture, mutilation, and crucifixion. The lower class you were, the more likely you were just executed. If a criminal aimed to be samurai, their best chance to do so is to be a ronin (a wandering samurai) and to earn the attention and praise of daimyo and plead for him to make them honorary samurai. This was likely vary rare....but again, it would not be a total impossibility.

Rah!

I love shad...but he doesn't understand flexible weapons and his thoughts on them are flawed. While the Flail as seen in For Honor wasn't common, it's more likely due to the expense to make and niche that it filled being so narrow, not due to ineffectiveness or danger to the user, neither of which actually apply to the flail.

Ok, you mentioned feudalism, and how no knights would be conscripted criminals, but what if this was based off the roman empire, with diocletian as emperor, he recruited criminals to increase the size of the army. (I am learning about this in my history class sorry if the facts don't add up)

@RavenKnightYT

2 жыл бұрын

You're right. If this were the Roman empire that would definitely make more sense. However, since the Conqueror doesn't appear to be Roman in origin, I'm not sure that would work well in his case.

I'm disagreeing with this guy's video, but I think one historical area he forgot to cover and consider on who the Conqueror is would probably be attributed to the First Crusade. During the First Crusade, Pope Urban II made where criminals would be forgiven for all their sins should they go fight and reclaim the Holy Land.

@RavenKnightYT

3 жыл бұрын

Pope Urban II did not promise redemption for criminals alone, but said that if you died on the pilgrimage you would be accepted into Heaven. He did not specifically offer this to criminals. And even if he did, this forgiveness of sin did not grant the criminals the status or position of a knight.

@liamchun4370

3 жыл бұрын

@@RavenKnightYT Okay thanks for the clarification, I knew it was something along those lines. Still I think Ubisoft conceptualized these individuals in mind for the Conqueror when they were creating the idea of this kind of character.

@thechallenger752

3 жыл бұрын

@@RavenKnightYT Still, aren't conquerors the "diamonds in the rough?" Men-at-arms could become knights. "Although rare, some non-knightly men-at-arms did advance socially to the status of knights. The knighting of squires and men-at-arms was sometimes done in an ignoble manner, simply to increase the number of knights within an army (such practice was common during the Hundred Years' War). In chivalric theory, any knight could bestow knighthood on another, however, in practice this was usually done by sovereigns and the higher nobility. It is recorded that the great mercenary captain Sir John Hawkwood knighted a number of his followers, as many as twenty on one occasion, though he could reasonably be expected to provide the income his created knights required to maintain their new status."

@bruhmcchaddeus413

Жыл бұрын

I mean anglos was in first crusade so maybe

Sorry but that guys flail power analysis was rubbish, you can find a similar momentum transgerred from the body just in different ways, the other benefit is the fact that you don't even need to use your full body force to gather power from it. It's a completely impractical weapon but it's not weak by any means

Actually is their a reason why the conqueror is called conqueror they dont seem to conquer any land in the lore

@RavenKnightYT

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's not about conquering land so much as it is about conquering their foes.

@choosinkien268

3 жыл бұрын

Hhhhhmmm...but the name feels like their suppose to conquer land in the lore

I have to point out on your video here shad has very strong opions on the flail to strong in my opionin. In reallty the risk of the ball bouncing of when hitting something is very smalle and when it does the hit you recieve does barrely hurt let alone do damages and if your intelligent enough to use common sense you would let the striking end come near your body sow you not even remotly likely to injure yourself. This is misconception people have about whip like weapons, that there more dangereus to the user, this might be somewhat true, but every time people want to make a case against any form of whip it's the first thing they say there dangereus to the user and compleetly ignore the fact that this risk is minimaal. A dubble edged blade is just as likely to injure you cause it might actuely recoil of things and hit you with falls edge still you never here people talk about that do you. Take it from someon that actuely has expierence with the weapon shads points are focused to heavy on the negeatives and really make a bigger deal out of those points then it deserves. For example blunt weapons are known for having enormes handshock sometimes even enough to loss grip on the weapon. Flails don't have any handshok because of the fact that the chain won't let impact vibratains travel to the hand. Flails can wrap around objects hitting people behind cover making them very usefull against shields. The have more range then maces because they can be longer without becoming top heavyer cause the point of balance will only start to count for the part that's stick. Test have proven that flails do the same amount of damages a mace will do of similair weight. With a multiple headed flail the heads will bounce of eachother fighting to sit in the middle causing two seperate projectiels to swing at different spots sow if one hit's the shoulder the other might hit the head. They both have there strenghts and saying that maces are better, and flails are just sh*tty weapons would be lying cause in a lot of situations a flail will out perform a mace for sure. The reason there more rare has nothing to do with that they were bad weapons they were just a lot more diffucult to make.

Honestly I don't think conquerer is a knight. But rather a not knighted, but conscripted heavy infantryman of distinction

i mean the name is conquerer

When peasants were conscripted into the military it would only be for defence also in the movie Mulan the conscription of the men scene is what would of happened in history also you are forgetting about the women back in history most civilisations did not let women fight also the children they would train little boys how to fight but only call them into action when they are ready.

So we're peasants used to fight simple anwser is yes. So many weapons of warfare from multiple cultures comes from peasants tool sheds. A conqueror wouldn't really be concerned if a peasant lived or died. Mainly becouse they made up a giant chunk of the population meaning you could always get more or as you could as was more common bring some of yours with you, I mean someone had to carry the equipment, make dinner ect. While conscription peasants very rarely happened they certainly wouldn't stop them from allowing them to shed blood I'm there name. As far as getting armor and weapons many of them were fairly cheap and easy for even a peasant to wear such as gambisons, arming swords, spears ect. And not to mention that a peasant could simply make a gambsion should they feel the need to. I mean it really only is padded clothes. And if they could do that with shirts I don't know why they couldn't do it with leggings and sleeves as well, in fact they did. Unlike reading knowing how to stich wasn't that uncommon back then. And like he stated there was the problem with the mace. The biggest being yes there was very limited mention of it being used in combat problem being like most stuff from the time it can't be proven. The logic behind it made no since as to really even if it went around a shield which I doubt they had that much control of it. Something seems to be misunderstood here. Shields weren't this static object like in video games or movies. They actually moved them around while fighting in conjuction with there weapon. And it was pretty rare to want to hold it close to you as the more you held it away from you the more of your body was protected. So even if it did go around unless that chain had a extra 3 feet to it, it defintly wasn't wrapping around and smacking heads. The physics is just not there. Especially how generally short those chains were and how many balls ect as well as how nice many looked, this was most likely a weapon uses just to display. Something for a lord to put above his fireplace. Another misconception is that knights only wore the shiny armor and was super rich. Knights wealth would of been compared to today just slightly above average income for middle class. It wasn't that bizarre for a knights father to pass on a set of armor and weapons to him that his father did for him. So seeing a knight in kind of battle worn armor wasn't that rare in fact it was pretty common. Exceptions would obviously be well favored knights, lords themselves, and guards as they were often issued there gear. But I will say his armor does look a hit mismatched like they came from diffrent centuries. As far as the bandit ideal while bandit would attack on roads very rarely would they purposely attack full kitted up knights. That would of been essentially suicide. Maybe if there was like 1 or 2 of them but them being knights rarely would of traveled alone. Not to mention killing such a nobleman even if it wasn't a super rich one would be seen as a insult to the lord to start with. Which would make him want them dead that much more. Although the ideal was pretty cool go listen to. Not to mention that knights didn't just wear bare metal and no colors. They had colors on them while I can't say for sure if certain groups colored there helments certain ways like in the game to show allegiance. I can say they were a very close group. Even if the lord forgave the bandits for that I'd the other knights happen to see one prancing around in one of there owns armor they defintly wouldn't of. To sum up he really doesn't imitate anybody from history knightly or otherwise. He's literally a walking Hollywood stereotype.

@superdoran6396

Жыл бұрын

Not mace flail. And sorry about the length but there was alot

Soldiers are still peasants

Rah!