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Here’s why you should never sell a car on eBay…
This surely has to be the last time that I attempt to sell a car on ebay, and here's why I think you should never sell a car on ebay either...
Here's the link the 7 series auction:
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Here’s the link to the auction for my 7 series: silverstonedigitalauctions.com/auctions/2007-bmw-760-li-auto-1319
@leenevin8451
2 жыл бұрын
weird ad
@ch4nfu
2 жыл бұрын
Camerons making an account as we speak so he can bid again lol.
@johndavies4644
2 жыл бұрын
What do you want for it? I don't do auctions.. name me a price. Auctions=Pull outs. I had an attempted robbery on my Abarth which was listed on eBay a few weeks ago, also lost out on fees.. sold it on fb
EBay is just a rogue state these days. There is another option which happened to me two years ago - a bidder, really keen like yours, lots of messages etc in the run up to auction end. Turns out he was bidding high to put others off as he himself was selling a similar car and wanted me out of the way so people would bid on his car. I had no come back and eBay wasn’t interested..he even left negative feedback saying “car not as described” even though he never showed up!
@matk22
2 жыл бұрын
Wow I never thought of something like that... I wouldn't do it my self and while it's a cuntish move it's Pretty clever.
@soniadelapaz8351
Жыл бұрын
Plot twist.. that guy was you and what you did to another seller wasnit
@MomentsInTheSky
Жыл бұрын
What a bizarre assumption?!
Joel, seriously, don't sell the car. You will never make back what you could earn from it through content, especially as your channel grows, and you will forever regret moving it on. Take this as a sign that you're meant to keep it!
@moritzclement8299
2 жыл бұрын
I think so too
@richardharrold9736
2 жыл бұрын
@@moritzclement8299 I've got one of these too, it’s currently a non-runner and I can't really afford to put it back on the road, but I'm working on changing my circumstances and I know I would forever regret selling it for a small amount of cash that I'd soon burn through anyway.
@moritzclement8299
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardharrold9736 Very good. It is a shame if one must give up such a classy car just for some temporary cash... And Joels 7 series videos are always a mood lifter, would be so sad if they didnt come anymore
@richardharrold9736
2 жыл бұрын
@@moritzclement8299 yeah, and I've learned a bit more about my own car as a result! Before JayEmm bought this car, nobody on KZread had really done anything about the 760, and I followed the car over to Joel's channel when he bought it...
@edwinlue-shing7430
2 жыл бұрын
I sell and buy cars on E bay,no probs at all.E
Absolute time waster! Don’t think it was a prank, more like he got cold feet! Now you have the joy of getting your eBay charges refunded. He missed out on an awesome car at a bargain price.
@frederiquekruger4818
2 жыл бұрын
I personally wanted to buy the car to import to my country but the time it will take too long. In my country it is rare to find a 760Li and they are usually double Joel's asking price.
@raymondmumford6255
2 жыл бұрын
@@frederiquekruger4818 I understand your issue, in Australia they are also very expensive, where are you from?
@ManUtd57920
2 жыл бұрын
How easy is it to get eBay charged refunded?
@raymondmumford6255
2 жыл бұрын
@@ManUtd57920 it can be a pain, the purchaser needs to do some actions, otherwise then you have to prove they don't want to go forward with the sale, it can be a pain, and take some time, and when we are talking that sort of money, it's not a few pound.
Started auction @ 1p so everyone had a chance. With a reserve of £8,000. 😂
The v12 cold start 😫😫
I watched this twice to help with the fees
@itsjoel
2 жыл бұрын
Not all hero’s wear capes
Blessing in disguise. This is a sign not to sell the BMW. Keep it Joel. You will find a way, even if you SORN it for the time being. It is an appreciating asset.
Fingers crossed for option 3 😂
@jackjones4784
2 жыл бұрын
That's a bit extreme, hope you don't wish that for people who don't show up to your viewings.
@HighPeakAutos
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackjones4784 oh lighten up. It was a joke.
@sajiv.m06
2 жыл бұрын
@@HighPeakAutos exactly it was just a joke chill out guys 😭😭
@gingerbreadman5265
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackjones4784 …… I bet your the f***## life and soul of any party aren’t mate…🥱🥱
@jackjones4784
2 жыл бұрын
@@gingerbreadman5265 omg your right! your mum is though
Sorry to hear that Joel. You should sell it to one of your subscribers, I am sure no one here will let you down. Or, if I may suggest, why not raffle off your BMW? Put a price on every single ticket, set a limit, choose the winner. Easy-peasy 😊
@Idevendrasen
2 жыл бұрын
He said the 'buyer' was a subscriber
For me....use ebay to advertise the car with a fixed price. This helps to reach a bigger audience. Interested parties can come and view it. Of course you will have to deal with the stupid ebay emails from people who are not genuine about buying the car and want a swap for a Toyota camry with 180,000 miles and 500 quid. Dont put it to auction ss there are too many wannabes and scammers and you will end up losing your time, effort and money. I think its a common story you have and many people have experienced this, me included. But I have to admit its an awesome motor and I would love it! I'm off to Silverstone auctions now! Thanks for a great video 👍
My friends after a certain classic hot hatch .The amount of cars I see on EBay that sell and return a week or so later is beyond a joke. Obviously cars not as described or idiots messing about. I’ve never sold a thing on there because of these reasons .Dreamers and tyre kickers galore and no repercussions .
Because of this car I started watching your channel, and I'm really happy with that. Don't sell the most exciting car of all of yours.
If you sell anything on ebay automatically block all the people who have history of being poor buyers / sellers (non payers, negative feedback, even people who have no history etc). We used to get a lot of issues like this, put every single blocker on we could and it filtered out loads of the idiots
I'd also never agree to pick someone up without at least the deposit
Hi Joel - just discovered your channel, enjoying the vids very much. I feel a kindred spirit watching these. I too cannot stop buying these wonderful old cars, fully knowing they will tear me a new one but I do it anyway 😩 Just moved from England to Canada and already have a gorgeous 2006 CL500 coming from California to replace the one I sold in the UK. It’s sure to be ruinous but yet I can’t wait for it to arrive. I’ve found getting much more hands on with the cars with help from KZread has keep the cost down considerably. Re the EBay thing, selling is a nightmare between no shows and low offers. Keep up the good work! Push comes to shove I’d probably dump the RR and keep the V12.
‘It’s absolutely gorgeous here, so quiet’ ….rocks up i a straight piped 760 V12 🤣
I always use the classified option on eBay and never had an issue using that feature. I’ve sold around 50 cars using that. Never used the bid feature though. Certainly had my share of time wasters though and absolutely ridiculous questions like this one: Buyer: does this have a full MOT? Me: yes Buyer: ah ok, nevermind. Me: erm… I could try make it a fail an MOT if that makes it better for you 🤣
Gutted to hear that mate. I’m sure somebody out there will buy it. It’s a fantastic car.
Good luck for a smooth sale dude. Had some right scammers on eBay over the years and all the power is with them.
Tried selling a car on eBay years ago and I certainly wouldn’t do it again. The winning bidder; a gentleman in Nigeria was a very persistent scammer using someone else’s genuine eBay account. He just needed the money sending over for his plane ticket as he could only pay me in gold. Apparently the wife’s Vauxhall Astra was a very sought after car in Lagos and he was shipping it back as a present for his mother. I just hope his Mother wasn’t disappointed as unfortunately she missed out on the Astra as we part exchanged it, Sorry 😞
I have never had a problem selling a car on eBay. Reason being?? Never auction. Ask fair price, list as classified you cannot go wrong then, same as selling on autotrader.
Joel, you seem like a good guy, do not be butthurt about this situation, you have learnt the lesson, just move on! And the magic word for today is... DEPOSIT.
Love the channel..I'm born and bred from Edinburgh and was gutted after watching this video...i was so ashamed you went thru this shit Joel....
This is a sign to keep the 7! Love the content and also a beautiful machine that's never let you down. Please, sell something else 😂
I learnt a long time ago, never put yourself out or change your plans for them. Never get out of your armchair to pick them up from the station or airport until they call to say they are there. I then say ok I’ll be with you in about 20 minutes. I have wasted far too many hours waiting for time wasters. You are young and will learn. Lol
I feel your frustration, I recently sold my Jeep on eBay…over a week ago. Buyer replied, “oh, I see I’ve just won a jeep “…😂 like it’s bloody free ! Anyway, like getting blood out of a stone, we’ve been messaging him trying to establish a pick up time…, his response was, it’s for a client of mine, so I will arrange a flatbed truck to pick it up….absolutely fine, still waiting…still no money transfer…I have no idea what “legal rights they have if I message them to say I have found another “Keen” buyer that’s ready to pick up now. It’s all very frustrating, and I don’t want to be on the receiving end of a claim battle…. Hopefully your bmw has found a new forever home. Steve.
Unfortunately, there are many people who love to muck people about, whether it's something you are giving away on Freecycle, or a car worth thousands. Doesn't matter what platform you use either. Sorry you've had this experience, but at least you still have the car and the loss is small. Good luck with finding a genuine buyer
If you could find out who it “really” was and then personally deliver the car to them it would probably make quite an interesting video…especially if they are at work and their boss is also in…😉 Ebay is a bit frustrating when (in my experience) they seem to take the buyers side all the time…
@nigel.w
2 жыл бұрын
eBay has a lot of scammer sellers, so to get over the problem of people not getting what they paid for, etc, eBay gives buyer protection guarantees. It may seem like eBay takes the buyer's side all the time, but it's the nature of the site. The specialist car auction sites confirm identities, addresses, bank details, and have the credit/debit card details of all bidders, etc. There's much more trust in the sellers, the accuracy of the car descriptions, and the bidders. eBay and the specialist car auction sites operate significantly different selling models from each other.
Love these BMW series 7. At least you didn't let your car to a scamer and loose your money. I did just that, somehow he showed he sent the money via bank transfer. I let him stupidly have the car. It was weekend so I thought the money go through on Monday. No contact from him and police didn't do much. I never do that again.
If his wife was sleeping with his boss 🤣 love it
Hi Joel I was about to comment about offering out second chance offers to the other unsuccessful bidders , but you covered that in your vid 👍 From my own experience I've sold many cars on eBay over the years without issue, albeit I never use the more common open auction bay format for exactly the reasons you mention but sell via the classified add with offers format! Stops the majority of idiots and time wasters that way 👍👍 P.S. do you have a reserve set for your current Silverstone car auction?
just view his ebay profile and see if he lists anything for sale and his feedbacks to see if any new activity, know if hes dead or buying some other car that way lol
Mate, what a nightmare. Scot is a dick. Every time I sell something on eBay, I have to list it several times because the winning bidder decides not to pay. eBay just seems to attract nob heads. Such a shame, as it's a great idea in theory.
I think it's one thing to offer to pick someone up from the local train station..it's another to pick them up from the airport (as you saying fuel, parking costs, time for people to get from plane).
You did refer to Scotland as your “favourite 3rd world country”. Probably shouldn’t have pissed off the Scot’s
One scam to look out for when selling on eBay goes like this; The car sells for a good price. The buyer just doesn't respond to messages. You re-list the car and now you're open to slightly lower offers. The car sells. Buyer doesn't respond. Endless loop. Meanwhile "someone else" contacts you interested in buying the car outside of eBay....
I wouldn't sell anything of value on ebay. Not as an auction anyway. Ebay care about only one thing. Ebay. If I were to sell a car on ebay, it would be as a classified, setting the price a little above what I really wanted, and invite people to come and view and make 'sensible' offers. Then select the best offer, which is not just about price, but also about whether the buyer is worthy and/or is likely to pay without messing and won't stalk you if the car later goes wrong. It is also really good fun seeing how imaginative people can be in phrasing an absurdly low offer, e.g 'I'll take it off your hands for £500 pounds mate, cash'. I mean if you offer something derisory often enough, eventually someone will accept, right?
Only sold one car on ebay. A mk3 mondeo that was for spares. The amount of idiots that contacted me was ridiculous. People offering swaps for phones and ipads. Just stupid. Luckily a legit buyer bought but not sure id go down that route again if I were selling a half decent car.
Thank you for the video, my experience selling my wife's BMW was somewhat different, put on ebay at 9am one morning sold in 20 minutes to a trader who I pick up at our train station and sold the same day. It was a one owner with 18,000 miles and eight years old.
So sad to hear you got messed about, but selfishly lovely to see that 7-series again. Whoever buys it will absolutely love it. Thanks for sharing your eBay advice. I just bought a LS430 vis eBay, and as a buyer I can’t fault it, however I’ve spent the best part of a year trying to buy a V8 remote and the buying experience has been so frustrating with sellers being aloof and ghosting me. I’ve never experienced anything like it, the car I ended up buying was 20 minutes away and we made the deal in person face-to-face, and it seems like that’s sometimes the only way to go?
Sounds like the same guy I had on my Mercedes SL . Guy was from Edinburgh . I wasted a whole week negotiating with him . Said he had booked a flight so I didn’t bother with a deposit and turned down another buyer. Moral always get a deposit!,,
This puts me off putting my VW transporter on ebay
I’ve purchased 5 cars on eBay without any hiccups. I looked on KZread for info on selling since I am interested in selling mine on ebay. After watching your video and reflecting on what was different in my experience as a buyer, I saw that none of mine were auctions. I think those are a waste of time. List the car with “Buy it Now” and $500 non refundable deposit if they don’t come within 3 days. If they don’t come, you keep the $500.
Take a deposit before travelling, you soon find out if they’re serious
Best to only sell stuff on Ebay if you have an address to send it to. I've found that when people are awkward over their commitments, then when I tell them I will visit to resolve things, the matter is quickly sorted.
List it on a classified auction on eBay. Car doesn't get sold and removed from eBay until the money is in you hand. Much better than listing via eBay's auction.
Sorry to hear it buddy, frustrating as hell, amazing how many morally bankrupt people there are in the world. I had a similar experience last week trying to do a good thing giving away a kitchen as opposed to chucking it. Two no-shows having agreed time and place!
I'm not really surprised Joel... Calling Scotland a third world country probably didn't win you too many Scottish fans (and in my opinion rightly so)....I've been a subscriber to yr channel for a long time but feel that comments like that shouldn't be made on a public forum
just watching this - at the age of 68 and thinking: damned if I'd have set off to HRW without a deposit of some sorts - but I had to lean my lessons along the way.. it's called 'experience'
On the positive side you got it back!. You'll never have to say I shouldn't have sold it
There needs to be a system where if the person that wins the auction decides to not actually pay, they at least get charged a fixed amount (even just a fiver or tenner would probably do). I know then the person would probably just refuse to pay that fixed amount. But the way they could do it is so in order to actually make a bid, the amount gets taken out of their account there and then and gets put on hold until the auction is finished. If they don’t win, they get their money back. If they do win auction and actually pay, they get their money back
@MRFUCKOFF202
2 жыл бұрын
1000% agreed but eBay won't do that because it's a barrier for entry for buyers and therefore revenue
Sorry about this Joel, best of luck with the new auction site. Would love to own it, but can't afford it, so therefore won't bid unlike Scott🤣🤣 unfortunately eBay is full of idiots, one of the worst platforms out there. All the best though, love the content regardless 👍
Well the options you came up with are perfect, all three are a very strong possibility 🤣
Can’t seem to attach a photo here but if you look at the “buyer’s” feedback they’ve done this already
Sorry to hear you been played it’s amazing how many people have to much time on there hands
Weirdly, I’ve never had any problems selling on eBay, I’ve sold a couple of cars on there with no issues, in particular a really unique E36 touring which was very successful and I buy and sell interesting and unique Nike Airmax trainers. But I’ve only ever had one issue with selling on eBay and I found their website to be particularly useless👎🏼 best of luck with the eventual sale!
@TheKatWeasel
2 жыл бұрын
On another note, I do not understand why people bother messing people around pretending to buy stuff on eBay because it wastes everyone’s time and is eternally frustrating
Don’t put it on auction if you gonna use eBay…privet listing with a set price is the way to go. They can always give you an offer , cash on pick up no hassle.
@aureol40012
2 жыл бұрын
Nope, always sell on an auction, you get a set price with no haggling.
@bme9071
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah you're right, definitely the way to go. Cheaper fees than auction too i think?
@RandomGuy-ej9gr
2 жыл бұрын
@@aureol40012 What you get is wankers who cancel their bid or beat around the bush after the auction ends, privet listing is so much easier.
If it's option one. Then the joke's on him since you've got another video out of it. Option two is the most likely, although there is a fourth option which is common when selling exotic motors like this (and at 61 I've had my fair share of these, even before Ebay); and that option is The Dreamer. These are Walter Mitty characters who would like to own such a machine as the 760, but know also know from the outset that they don't have the resources to buy it. However, they pretend to be genuine buyers, turn up to view just the same, drive the car, make a bid, win and disappear. Never had any problems like this selling Fiat Siecentos and Nissan Micras.
Joel, never ever x30 try and sell anything never mind a lovely car on that full of arseholes site. Time and time again I’ve had winning bids fail to pay and eBay when complained to, do absolutely nothing. Nothing. Any way good luck with the sale/auction👍 PS I did read somewhere that someone jumped out of a plane over Manchester 😂
I’m so sorry this has happened to you, I feel your pain. Somehow in my life every cloud has had a silver lining and I hope this is the happens for you. Thank you for the interesting quality content. Take care 👍😀
Joel, I think the key takeaway here is don't commit any money or time in supporting buyers getting to wherever the vehicle is based. It sounds a little harsh, I know, but remember that it's a commercial transaction - it's up to them to make and fund all logistical arrangements. You're a good guy but in these sorts of circumstances, put your business head on and wait for them to turn up. In the event that they don't, you're just left with a degree of disappointment and frustration but that's the extent of your loss.
Put a car up for sale a couple of weeks ago, had someone turn up and say they’ll get back to me… 6 hours later - a text: “Sorry, won’t be buying the car as we need a 7 seater”… Why did you come to look at a car with just 5 seats then 😂😂 It’s a pain but it means you have an excuse to have it a little longer 😁
Tyre kickers.. get them all the time... Auto trader, Ebay etc
Its a famous car, the Great Jayemm started this journey & thankfully you picked up the baton & continued with this amazing machine!, keep the 760Li take off the straight pipes sell the Porsche/ Mercedes , great channel Joel keep the BMW & Range Rover !
Thers nothing funny about being pranked pissed about Brilliant video
I'm selling a car on ebay at the mo', it is difficult dealing with chancers and dodgy characters. I tried Piston heads before and was contacted by x3 scammers. Why would someone offer half the asking price and expect you to accept it as they will "collect it now bruv" It never used to be like this :-(
If some doesn't respond to your messages I thought that would tell you something
Collab with Alex and CT with ‘mega spec’ - the epitome of s classes IMO
With large purchases ebay should have a account checking facility to ensure buyers have the funds and not just bidding because they have a hard on
Hello, I am the brother of the person who won your car, I think his name is Scott. I am here to tell you that he is actually dead. We’re quite sad but never mind. He passes on his apologies. He was actually dragged into the baggage carousel in a bizarre incident involving a ludicrously long tie (he was quite keen to look smart for you). Best of luck with the sale on Silverstone Auctions. I don’t really want the car because it obviously brings back haunting memories of my beloved brother Sid, I mean Scott, but I might bid anyway if that’s okay? I’ve got a spare bit of time as my wife is always out at the moment.
@N1NJAKIDD
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant 😂😂😂
Unfortunately eBay attracts idiots in the same way that 💩 attracts flies.
Lovely back drop, I’m Aylesbury based and we go we cover woods regularly! The world is full of time wasters, eBay and marketplace are full of them! There is also genuine buyers too shame the bad ruin it for the good!
Stories like this about eBay Car Auctions are commonplace. I have been on ebay for over twenty one years now and on the whole it has been a pleasant experience. Just one of two folks annoyingly failed to complete or deliver. That with over 3,000 transactions and 100% positive feedback.. I have not yet ever listed a complete car. I have sold a few via Facebook Car enthusiast Groups. Often simply mentioning my car had just passed its MoT with a picture to have one or two folks show an interest to let them know if I ever decide to sell. I plan to list one of my MGs using the eBay Classified option rather than an auction early in the New Year when Christmas expenses are a fading memory. Things like that make a difference. The car is worth only about £3000 but is a nice example and drives surprisingly well. Finally, not familiar with eBay charges or costs for car auctions or classified for sale listings. How do they work and what charges apply will help me decide best option?
Man i feel for you it's happened to me too, the world is full of weirdos and cretins but amongst all the tossers there are some genuine lovely people as you yourself can probably attest to. What i do now is put in the advert that the winning bidder must pay £500 deposit via PayPal or bank transfer and anyone not willing to do that not to bid. Love and peace. Martin
Listen, just learn from you experiences. Put it back on eBay and just tell the ‘buyer’ where to pick it up from and if they’re not happy with that, too bad. I sell a lot of stuff on eBay and Gumtree etc. and I always make it clear in the listing that if you’re not happy and willing to collect, don’t buy. And if they still buy and then want me to drop something off or do something else, I simply tell them no and relist. So, all you need to do in the future is report & cancel the transaction on eBay (so you get your fees back) and relist. A genuine buyer will turn up eventually. Just don’t put yourself out for anyone
What is the point of the wife/dead jokes. No need for it really. S**t happens mate don't stoop that low
Great to watch the video but an unfortunate experience that is all to common it’s not right but it’s what people are like these days
Hate it when anyone, let alone super nice people like yourself get f.. .. d over. Happens all too often, sadly. But take heart, your unfortunate experience is something your many friends on your channel can learn from - don't sell cars on eBay. I have no doubt a genuine buyer will not be long in coming. Meanwhile, keep up the great work. You are a natural communicator and your videos get better all the time. Go well!
Only thing I don't understand with a lot of sellers on e bay is he says he started the listing " at a penny to give everyone a chance of owning the car" then says his reserve is 8k? Why not just start the bidding at 8k then and slightly lessen the chance of time wasters???
RAF Halton range in use !!
Thats some serious leg room!
Cold feet or....someone said don't bother, it's a cash liability etc etc . Happens all the time. I've had many TWs with cars and houses.
problem with second chance offers is like me i have been outbid, then later get offer of a previous bid, but other bids may also of been beaten by the winner so i could of got a lot of bids earlier, so i dont take up the offer because it looks like the seller has got one of their mates to bid for them "shilling" i believe its called, so example i bid 1k they bid 1100, i bid 1200, they bid 1300, they win, pull out, and i get the offer of 1200, even tho the same person beat my 1k so i should get that offered! but i wouldn't buy a car on ebay any way! its bad enough buying watches, but i see you wear a pricey rolex so i'm surprised you keep buying cheap cars when got that!
@LewWise87
2 жыл бұрын
It's a seiko mod but still very nice
@1977JohnBoy
2 жыл бұрын
@@LewWise87 i did try and have a good look in another vid but could never see close up enough, so i assumed it was a rolex hulk or something.
School boy error you should always talk to them over the phone when selling a car or buying one so you can work out the persons intentions are they tyre kicking ?you can hear it in there voice if there a genuine buyer
The way Ebay defends these time-wasters is the reason why I won't have anything to do with the site. I call it Scambay. Keep the motor mate. If you need the wedge, sell something else.
HIS WIFE IS SLEEPING WITH HIS BOSS LMFAO 😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣. Joel you learn from your mistakes. I sell on ebay and unfortunately it is a hub for timewasters.
If the guy was doing this for a prank he's got the attention he was after by you making this video.
There is less genuine people than we think...I could not do this to anyone....
Ebay seriously needs to look at giving sellers more rights especially with vehicles, and I agree if the buyer is fraudulant ebay should pay at least a percentage of the sale price, at the moment Ebay wins whatever happens and they need to take responsibility for fraud on their site.
So on first impression this is an ex chauffeur car 99.7 % of 730Li L stands for long wheel base , high mileage and chauffeur company's never service in time and don't use BMW , secondly the millage must be high because it's a mini cab . That's why and rightly got cold feet .
E Bay is full of keyboard dreamers.. Same thing happened to me with my gorgeous 406 coupe.. Guy never turned up after waiting in all day.. What is wrong with these pathetic people.. His loss tho the Pug was a stunner and ended up selling it to a colleague at work who has put it into storage!
I would never have gone to meet him without having spoken on the phone.
Ebay should have a built in breathalyser test before you can bid on expensive things !
I had the same issue with ebay - Good luck with the sale - Mega Motor and great value too. This car will definitely hold its value short term and I'm certain it will increase long term.
I feared this would happen. A classified ad would have been better.
I’ve sold all my cars, vans and motorbikes on eBay with no problems whatsoever.
Don't offer to pick them up he had cold feet when I used to sell cars you always get people that say they want the car are coming too see it but never show up but for every dreamer there are lots of genuine people
A shame but at least you get another video demo out of it!
Always found it funny that BMW fitted the same mirrors to the 3-series as the 7-series