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@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark Michael Thank you brother. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Agree that the modern Overseas - especially the DualTime - is an incredibly versatile piece. It truly is a “dressy sports watch” - depending on what strap you’re using. It has amazing innovation, like a great micro-adjust system, that will impress you once you try it on. Thanks for the perspective.

Integration of the Maltese Cross into the link design of the bracelet is brilliant!

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Clever, right? I can't actually think of any brand that goes to that extreme. Some might call it overkill, but I reckon it looks excellent with the bezel. Thanks for comment, Willard!

@gpearce11

4 жыл бұрын

IDGuy I agree. I’ve lost count of the number of people I’ve seen complain VC overused the Maltese cross as a design motif. I can see where they’re coming from, but I still think it’s awesome.

my favourite non-Rolex sports watch

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

No arguing with you there, man. It is so charming! Thank you for the comment!

@ljnlaw

4 жыл бұрын

Forestman I definitely agree the blue and brown dial overseas are absolutely STUNNING

Just bought the gen 3 black dial... simply stunning. It’s a great watch and this will be the icon watch that doesn’t change ever again. It took VC a while to get it right but good things come to those who wait!

VC is my favorite watch brand. Hands down.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

VC, JLC and Omega (all underrated, all tremendous value) Thank you for the comment!

@gabrieltataru7366

4 жыл бұрын

I am VC fan also. As a brand, and as pieces produced, they are more “out there” ... look at the 1921 historique. Now as they started to produce their own movements for the OS3, I thing that it is the best value from the three. Don’t get me wrong, Royal Oak has stunning design. Is it a better choice than the VC? It depends on what are your plans for the watch. If u buy it for yourself and u intend to keep it, VC is the most compelling option. And this is comming from a guy who owns the time only from both VC : OS3 and AP: 15400. 5711 comming next year when my queue ends.

@fredriksvard2603

4 жыл бұрын

IDGuy omega has become way overpriced though, pricy even at heavy discounts or used at 30-50% off

In a world when Rollie GMTs on the grey market are the same price as 4500Vs (with an attainable discount) .. hand finished, Geneva seal, multiple straps.. it would be crazy not to consider the Overseas as an option

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

It baffles me how demand has pushed Rolex pieces up so high...considering that the VC is true haute horology, it's scary...How badass would it be rocking up to the beach / or a hiking trail with an Overseas GMT (Cory Richards prototype) and just smirking? ;) Thanks for the comment, man

@gpearce11

4 жыл бұрын

IDGuy I agree. The only thing I find more ridiculous is people who think the Nautilus 5711 is worth 4x the equivalent Overseas. While I can understand why some might see why the Nautilus is worth the extra 15-20% at retail (although I’d still take the Overseas if money wasn’t an object) there is no way the Nautilus is worth even half of what it’s currently trading at (almost triple retail).

If only VC spent half of what PP and AP spend on marketing, they too would have people lining up on waiting lists for the Overseas!

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine? They should have a broader outreach (and I'll bite the bullet) Thanks for the comment, Dave

@bootlegracer7729

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I'd be happy to see a review from you on the Overseas (soon hopefully)

@ptbot3294

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know.omega spent big on marketing but their pieces just can't get to Rolex level in term of hype and classic-ness

@mt24Carson

4 жыл бұрын

@@ptbot3294 I agree...this is a less-is-more opportunity. @IDGuy another stellar video.

@bootlegracer7729

4 жыл бұрын

@@ptbot3294 HAH, i think JC Biver said that trying to compete with Rolex is like staring at the sun.

Fascinating. Love the historical trajectory and analogy to armor design features.

An absolute grail. Always great videos from you, man. Thank you.

Waiting lists for the blue VC Overseas 4500V has begun all around the world. You were spot on.

Great vid, with as always, great and informed narration. I love my 3 pieces, as one does become three with the quick release system and bracelet, leather an rubber straps you decide on how it presents itself!

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

You chose well, my friend. The watch is unreal (and the chronographs really are something else) Your health to enjoy it for many more years and thank you for the great comments as always!

Wow, you bring so much information on design that I want take another look at the overseas. Good one!

Love the new design, especially the bezel. Keep up the good work. Great videos.

Having owned dozens of Patek, AP’s and others to include RM, Journe, Lange & Rolex, I just picked up my very 1st Vacheron Overseas and am very happy with it. The exchangeable bracelets/straps are outstanding and the fact that this is a hand finished holy trinity piece for the price of a Rolex GMT is incredible. I have the 3rd generation 3-hand automatic/date with black dial and am enjoying the rubber strap most as it reminds me of my Aquanaut. The fit is phenomenal and the piece is actually very robust. An issue I’ve always had with the Nautilus/Aquanaut & Royal Oak pertains to the brushed bezel, which scratches if you look at it too hard. Once scratched, your eyes go straight to the defect and no one other than the factory can restore the finish to it’s original state.....no one (I’ve tried believe me). The VC Overseas could be dragged on the back of your car and still look cool. Great review guys, thank you 👌🏻

@toddallgier914

11 ай бұрын

But why, no hacking? For something so high-end I would think accuracy would be a priority.

@jameswestconsultant

11 ай бұрын

@@toddallgier914 when it’s dead just start winding it when your atomic clock second hand matches then wind away. You can take your time (pardon the pun) setting the hour & minute as it won’t stop the second hand while fiddling with that; now there’s an advantage to no hacking ☝🏻😉

@toddallgier914

11 ай бұрын

@jameswestconsultant there you go. Good to know. Thank you for the response. It does seem a little bit unusual though for something so high end horoligicaly that it doesn't have hacking?

Another wonderful overview of an iconic watch that is often overlooked. Well done ID Guy.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you as always, brother! It was a lot of fun to dig deep and give the watches some thought. They really need to be pushed out more by the community and I hope this makes some kind of dent. Have a great weekend!

Awesome video. Your explaining of the design, cold and accurate is just wonderful, it is the opposite of what watchfinder does, he is full of pasion, but both channels, to me right now, are BY FAR the best ones when it comes to watches. A colaboration would be awesome, it would be like the Top Gear for watches.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Seb. I need to work on the 'cold' part a bit more. Reading from a script does make it less warm (but at least the points can come across) But one thing I've never wanted to do is "market" a watch in the typical way, so I guess that adds to the formula. But a collaboration would be terrific with Watchfinder. I'm so down for that! Thanks for the comment, man

@Mark..P

4 жыл бұрын

IDGuy Your style is spot on, you don’t need to change much. Your knowledge is superb and you can hear the engineer in you and that makes it special and makes you different (plus the accent helps a bit) 😁

@sebsebseb1905

4 жыл бұрын

@@ID-Guy noooo, don't change anything for the sake of changing, you do you and your way of presenting is different and original.

@reedgrabowski8314

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark P and @sebseb seb - totally agree with you both. IDGuy, your presentation style is spot on. No need to alter as the ‘cold’ is cool 😎 for your viewers.

Beautiful watch. To me the design is straight from 1970s. I like the sharp lines of the bezel/dial and that braclet is very sharp. To me it's more than a watch it's more like artwork for your wrist. I would have one in a heartbeat but I have heart and head set on getting a Rolex explorer 1655 as discussed in one of your previous videos.

I much prefer the VC Overseas collection over the PP and AP. I’ve spent far too much time in the Vacheron Constantin Boutique in Zurich drooling over the Overseas. I love the Simple Date and for sure prefer the Gen-3 across the board. They made 38 special dial representing the Canton of Zurich flag colors. 38 representing VC’s address at 38 Bahnhofstrasse in Zurich. At $20,000. USD, I find it very nice and a reasonable value. THEN....I start asking myself do I really like this more than my $6,000.~$12,000 Rolex beaters. I still haven’t bought a VC, but anything is possible. I’ll be in Zurich in September. As usual, great subject and video man! Thanks!

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid context is everything and considering the price gap between Rolex and VC...even AP and PP, it is hard to justify why you would need to spend so much extra on a sports watch. But they are gorgeous, a real statement. It's one of those watches that could end your (my) collecting days for sure. And I would love to know if you do manage to pick one up in the end! Thank you as always for the comments, brother

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark Michael That's smart business ;)

@mrg1911

4 жыл бұрын

@@ID-Guy Check out the "Zurich-Dial"..... imgur.com/o09osRq They have a couple remaining as of 2 weeks ago......sigh. I appreciate who Vacheron is and what they do, AND that they've made this watch 150m pressure proof. A) They don't use hacking seconds hand. B) I think the Bracelet-Strap quick-change is a great idea C) I wonder if their movements are as rugged as Rolex.....that's my main concern. Say what you will about Haute Horology, I believe anyone making a bullet proof Automatic movements as Rolex does is very impressive as well..... I've heard service horror stories about the Holy Trinity....

@mrg1911

4 жыл бұрын

If I could have a dream job, this would be it..... kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiksqOeacy7pbg.html Mr. Christian Selmoni is the Artistic Director at VC..... Wearing $5,000. suits and discussing fine details of high end watches..... NOTHING could be less important, yet that's right where I want to be! Meet & Greets, Lectures, and Cocktail Parties with billionaires..... (Probably a great way to troll for well heeled mature women, haha)

@tomkhong9828

4 жыл бұрын

mrg1911 There’s a silver dial with blue chapter rings boutique edition in Zurich , it’s gorgeous.

Have the RO 15500 and VC dual time. Both are great watches. Yet, the VC dual time has been getting so much more wrist time as it’s so versatile (especially with strap changing system) and understated.

I really enjoy your videos - they’re always very well done, and often get me to reconsider a watch/brand I previously didn’t care for. Not here, though, sadly, and it’s not your fault - I apparently just don’t “get” VC, since not a single watch in their current catalogue appeals to me at all 😔

Stunning video! Your ability to explain things through a designers eyes makes me look at watches in a completely different way 👍🏻

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Mark, thank you as always. I'm glad you liked the approach and there's plenty more to come ;)

@reedgrabowski8314

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark P - I second your comment. Fabulous video.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

@@reedgrabowski8314 Thanks a ton, Reed!

The storage unit door style dial is memorable.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Very true! It's as seventies as it gets ;) Thanks for the comment, Satellite

Excellent review. Spot on. Great video

Vacheron totally schooled AP and Patek here. This whole line is a slam dunk, from start to finish.

@Bestow3000

8 ай бұрын

Boys like the AP and Nautilus Real men enjoys the Overseas

Wow I have to agree, I really do not like the Royal Oak and the simple blue Nautilus is nice or nicer perhaps? I have not done my homework on the overseas (you have done a lot for me), it’s almost perfect and the bracelet is wonderful. In spite of the ease of swopping out straps, it would never leave the bracelet if it were mine. Love simple 3 hand dials so the date bothers me at the 3 position, I would of preferred 6 for symmetry or a no date. Dare say I could live with that should I ever be in a position to buy one though. Really enjoyed the video, thank you.

Time to start saving for an overseas. Great video

love it for years. will get one in some point of my live 100%

Another excellent vid and a beautiful piece. I checked it out myself a couple months ago, and the boutique volunteered a discount without me even asking or any commitment to buy. It's not a wanted piece, but I bet your vid will change a lot of minds!

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

And it's really a shame that the pieces aren't in demand. I've seen lately that the community have been talking more and more about the watch (and as soon as social media gets ahold of it we might see a radical change) Thank you for the comments as always, brother. Have a great weekend!

Great vid IDGuy per usual. As Clyve said - great waking up to this kind of content and a nice coffee. I really like the VC 3 hander. So much versatility. Yet, if I could pick, I'd take the Jumbo 15202. Just really like the industrial look of that watch and it happened to be created in my birth year of 1972. That said, roughly $40k on the secondary market for the 15202 vs $16k for the VC 3 hander? Just no way the Jumbo is twice the watch of the VC and no way I'm throwing down $40k for the delicate movement of the 15202. Missing the seconds hands stinks too.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

And that's a great call. The 15202 is a classic and a watch that will always have me scratching my head in a good way and a bad way (kind of like dealing with the perfect woman) So many great things and also flaws. But it is ridiculous considering the prices of the pieces...It's just steel at the end of the day with a movement inside it hahaha! I'd recommend checking out the VC (I personally have never tried one on but have worn lots of AP's at boutiques before the prices went astronomical) The VC might just sing to you ;) Thanks for the great comments, brother

@intensepar8975

2 жыл бұрын

Two years later... $100K+ for that 15202, and 4500V at $45K+ lol. How times change.

Well done, very compelling arguments!

I would love a theee handed OS with no date. Great video

Brilliant review. So much so that it caused me to visit a VC Boutique and see the blue dial reference on my wrist. It’s now on my shortlist. Thanks.

Thank you very much Sir for this nice and informative video.. Could you please make a video about the Alpine Chopard, since it also resembles some of Genta watches especially PP.. Thanks again.

If Vacheron decides to produce the Everest prototype (or some variation of it). It WILL be on my wrist. One can only hope they keep the dark finish on the movement and the black/orange pebble dial design. It is my absolute favorite of the Overseas designs.

@robomeara9860

4 жыл бұрын

Lovely watch

There's no way I can post this without sounding annoying, so please forgive me, but seeing as it's one of your favourite words, the pronunciation of "congruence" is with emphasis on the first syllable :) Really like the VC Overseas and the size is perfect on my small wrist. Dislike the hands though, which seem 70s in a "bad" way

A watch for experts in horology, very beautiful, very good and discreet. I love It! I wish I had any VC Overseas, but unfortunately I can never have one.

Excellent discussion on design cues

Very underated watch , would love to own one.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

You and me both, Rob. Thank you for the comment!

Brilliant video. Thanks

great Video!! love these watches - do you know where the name overseas comes from? makes sense with the gmt version or world time - but just wondering the origins???

If it didn’t have a date window to me it would be perfection . I still love the Overseas the most out of the three top brands . The watch band attachment method is brilliant design .

Such a beautiful watch. I wish they had a model with no date, or other, complications but nobody seems to do this in luxury watches.

I'm going to pick up a couple and mod them. Maybe 3 and keep one as is.

Stunning 🤩

best watch review i have seen in a long time without live footage of the piece; should have talked a bit about the in-house movement with the Geneva seal, which is stunning and a huge improvement. The OS is definitely in Nautilus/RO territory now

Amazing looking watch - deserves totally to be part of the holy trinity

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The Vacheron Constantin Overseas is one of the most beautiful sport watch in the world. More beautiful then Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe and Rolex. I like Vacheron Constantin maltese cross style case and bracelet. the transparent case back and gold compass rotor are wonderful.

Great video. Tried one of these (4500V), it wore quite large on my 7.5" wrist. Personally I don't like the chronograph chapter ring on the 3 hander and GMT. It's a useless feature and makes the dial look busy. Also the second hand is extended to reach the chapter ring and it looks loo long. Why didn't they put 24 hour markings on the chapter ring for the GMT model? The numbers could have been small and subtle, at least it would have a function. Finally the lack of hacking seconds on a sports watch of this calibre is just an oversight.

@impexRQ

4 жыл бұрын

Yeti because Vacheron is all about elegant and subtle- I don’t think Vacheron wants to have a GMT like Rolex does (kind of odd design) and more sporty like

Vacheron's blue dial is best in class imo

This is my pick over the 2 , i think this has the perfect balance of being masculine with a good amount of elegance , just like a gentleman in a sharp suit. I find AP is too industrial while the Patek soft . I like my watches with both elements for a more balanced look.....but thats just me, and the VC cross is cool. My only complaint is they should have kept the big date

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Very, very well said. That is exactly my thinking. A bit more understated than the two and more approachable (less constrained by 70's design) And the date window of the older generations would have made it a killer if they had kept it, I agree. Thanks for the comment, Marc

@Jay-xr3sb

3 жыл бұрын

I still wouldn't wear any of they as a sport watches. Swimming, gym, casual wear....no way. Smart casual and weekend clothes but not suits

@macoyupadoodle

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-xr3sb true and they come with different straps for all occasions. Most versatile out of the box .

@Jay-xr3sb

3 жыл бұрын

@@macoyupadoodle so sorry, I mean I wouldn't. It just doesn't feel like it could certainly a tool watc, too much polish on the bezel and too pretty with that bracelet. Its not a dress watch the integration of the leather strap and again the watch bezel is too much. Its in the same vain as a RO and natulisus, they would look off with a suit. Its smart casual wearperhaps what the world will be wearing now

@macoyupadoodle

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-xr3sb I get you, I have more Sport watches in the collection so was thinking more of an elegant Sport watch (not too much of a tool look) . I have a Dytona and no matter how shiny it is, it's still kinda toolish and can't wear it to formal occasions (though it's kinda accepted now) . I think the VC hits the spot and maybe I could get a way with it . Will try it on before I get it as I want to make sure it's what I'm looking for (because sometimes it's better not to meet your heroes hahahahaha) . I've been thinking about the Overseas for years and since I'm at the end of my collecting I figured I should scratch that itch hahahahahaha

That small Maltese Cross reminds me of the cheeky little 3 leaf clover you get on Alfas, I love it

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

It is such a nice sigil to use as inspiration. Vacheron puts it to far greater use than Patek (but then patek is more understated) but damn, I love it. Clean, sharp and striking. The Calatrava cross is about luck (so is Alpha's Quadrifoglio clover) And the Maltese cross is all about faith, truth, humility, sincerity etc etc.

@tomkhong9828

4 жыл бұрын

BojanglesBrett I love Alfa Romeo , the Cloverleaf!!!

@walkerxjr

4 жыл бұрын

Four leaf clover on an Alfa!

Not so sure about the original, it’s not as timeless as RO and the Nautilus but the new Overseas is just perfectly designed, if perhaps not executed, in every regard.

Also, the watch at 7:52 is absolutely elegant as hell.

Great vid. The watches are vastly overpriced for such a plain looking watch, but I love the bracelet because its not like any other.

I've admired this watch for nearly a year now. Since I was made aware of the Overseas really. And then yesterday I discovered the VC Overseas doesn't have a hacking seconds hand. I'm at a bit of a loss of what to think. I still love it but... Oh why?

I agree with all of it. I love it and I would buy it. Alas, it's too big. Cool how they snuck the WG at 40mm, but in fact, they should both (SS and WG) be 39.

VC overseas three hander is my end all watch for collectin.

This is beautiful

Love it

Your commentary is on throughout. The many APRO variations are laughably constrained by the design cues of 1972. The capper on this topic is this: Vacheron needs to control their distribution, strangle grey market channels, and protect their collectors' wallets.

What is the ref number of the first one with a cross in the bottom right of the case?

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

It's called the 222 (crazy name and a crazy watch) Definitely one of the sleepers in the family. And I would love to help modernise it. Maybe up the size a bit and add some more details. Why would you be wearing a watch though? You're a dog ;) Thanks for the comment

@shibainu6027

4 жыл бұрын

@@ID-Guy I had enough chewing sandals and running after tennis balls so I found a new hobby lol. Thank for the reply, love your channel. Keep up with the good work!

The watch at 1:08 is knock-out nice.

Great review ID Guy! You've managed to communicate what I was unable to articulate.

Richemont has been brilliant with bracelets and straps. VC, Cartier and Baume and Mercier all offer this feature.

100% agree

It’s too big unfortunately, disappointed when I tried it

@rootedrotor525

4 жыл бұрын

I hear this often. Can I ask the size of wrist? Mine is 6 3/4 and I also fear it would be too big.

@andresfg6788

4 жыл бұрын

Rooted Rotor I have the exact same size.. it’s weird because I have 42mm watches that wear better. For me it was something with the end lugs that make it feel larger and uncomfortable. Tried the black version..

@rootedrotor525

4 жыл бұрын

@@andresfg6788 Interesting. Thanks for the info. I have the Rolex Exp. 2 - Polar in 42mm. That's about my limit.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised! I have yet to try one on so I can't tell you my thoughts on the wearability, but that is a pity of the lugs aren't well tailored to the wrist. Thank you for the comment, Andres. I need to go and check one out pronto

@wjs1

4 жыл бұрын

Andres Felipe Gomez Completely agree. It wears large. My wrist is 6.3 inches and my Aquanaut fits great as does my Rolex GMT, but the Overseas just looks huge. Needs to be 40mm and a few mm less thick too. Then we’d be talking!

I wish they would size up the 222 to around 40mm.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

I'll raise my hand to help! Imagine bringing back the 222 as a modern reincarnation? Thanks for the comment!

@wjs1

4 жыл бұрын

Double Tee I agree. Having tried on the Chronograph and also the normal time only editions of both the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Overseas lines, my only problem with them is that they wear too big. A 40mm 222 revival piece in modern materials and with a modern movement would be perfect!

Considering a v3 and selling a sub and a few tudors to fund it.

The VC Overseas is my grail, if had the money it would get my fullest attention, and be worn with pride on my wrist every weekend.

Like the Chronograph version of these models

Nice

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, doc! I'm glad you enjoyed it

Unfortunately it's quite big. Should have been 40mm max.

@eus9

4 жыл бұрын

At 40mm I'd have one already, now weighing up whether to shoot for a Mk 2 at 38mm. Design's not as nice but at least it's a chronometer, which I think the new one isn't, weirdly

So I need to swop my Milgauss GV Black dial for a SH Vascheron Constantin Overseas 👍🏻

To put it in perspective, the AP is a BMW 7 Series and the Nautilus is a Benz S Class...the VC is a Genesis G90.

Wonderful description of one of my favourite watches. I would have liked some attention paid to the beautiful movement.

I find the bezel garish. I still like this far more than the nautilus or royal oak.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

I can understand why some would find it overkill, but at least it has a bit of style. The relationship between the bezel and the bracelet is the most interesting part for me. Comparing it to the others (RO and Nautilus), its crazy how disconnected they look. Thanks for the comment, man!

Yeah... but they both moved the back of the watch to the front.

I don't get why the Overseas date in SS is twice the cost of the Quai de I’lle when they both use the same movement. The main difference is the gold rotor in the Overseas...but that can't be worth $ 10k can it?

This is completely subjective, but, this watch wins the award for the best bracelet and the worst bezel in high end watches. Incredible watch overall. If anyone can sway my opinion, please do. I would love to like everything about this watch. it's a masterpiece.

The new bracelet should be called modular rather than integrated. By definition something is not "integrated" if it is removable. If the watch head can be used with other straps it cannot be integrated

VC Chrono Blue Overseas a perfect daily watch if you can afford one. Nice video mate.

Always look forward to your opinions, but no i would not go in the water with an Overseas, that's what my skx is for. I don't even get my 50 Fathoms wet. I like the Overseas, the main problem for me is value retention, seems like they drop quite a bit if you want to get out of them, since Rolex is unattainable, people are looking for SS sports alternatives these watches are getting more attention, should the Submariner become available , you could be losing half your money or more.

@jaceprovo

3 жыл бұрын

The Overseas is water resistant to 150 m which is 50% more than the average oyster perpetual Rolex. It is more than capable of going in the ocean or anywhere else for that matter. Whether you choose to put your $20,000 watch in the ocean is of course a different question.

I am not so gond of it: the hour hand has been too short in all versions. Case size is too large in current version.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

I can see where you're coming from. Don't you think the watch size is decent though? I reckon it's quite a nice contemporary size. Not too large and not too small. At least it's not bloated out of proportion ;) Thanks for the comments as always, sir

Love everything about this watch... except the date window. It just kills what should be a timeless classic. Everything else is just brilliant.

Great video, loved it. BUT - which would you choose ? VC, AP or PP?? Hype aside, which is the better watch?

@tomkhong9828

4 жыл бұрын

Tim Green VC. The strap change gives 3 different looks, and it is a much tougher watch. Just my 2 cts

@rootedrotor525

4 жыл бұрын

15202 for the win

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

It's hard to really give a concrete answer because they are three very different watches. They all wear differently and feel different. I see the RO as a design that hasn't really escaped the 70's. It's hard and industrial in appearance (and it can be seen as the nautilus' protoype) The nautilus on the other hand is delicate and flashy. I think the VC manages to hit the sweetspot of being more versatile than both, while also being more understated. But that's my opinion and I'm sure others would be keen to weigh in theirs.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomkhong9828 I agree. The versatility factor needs to be emphasised

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

@@rootedrotor525 The jumbo is stunning (but I reckon it does have a few issues when it comes to versatility) It would actually make for a cool video discussion!

An ultra-thin threehander in steel for 20-30k is going to be a game changer. SIHH 2020?

I love the design of the 222 that you showed and believe that Vacheron would have been better off sticking to that classic 70’s styling rather than opting for the Overseas redesign. The Overseas has some good features as you have pointed out such as the simple strap / bracelet interchangeability, nice dials, great movement and nice finishing. However, I cannot look at those lovely dials without being distracted by the horrible glare of the polished ‘cog-wheel’ bezel which seems like an overly prominent feature of the watch. It isn’t a subtle design like the Royal Oak or Nautilus but the jutting bezel of the Overseas makes it look like the Punk child of the two. I’m sorry but, it’s not for me. It definitely couldn’t be my only watch. The Historiques 1921, now that’s a great Vacheron! Another great video my friend. I eagerly await your next video. I’m hooked. Have a great weekend brother! ✊

Very gorgeous

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

No denying you there. Thank you for the comment!

I’m a big fan of Vacheron, perhaps they are far rarer than the ubiquitous PP And PP. The best Overseas has to be the Ultra Thin.

@ID-Guy

4 жыл бұрын

Its a shame that they are overlooked, but I have a feeling that these pieces will begin to receive more and more attention soon. What's not to like about the new line? I completely agree about the Ultra Thin's...unreal how they've managed to package the watch. Thanks for the comment, Tom

@tomkhong9828

4 жыл бұрын

IDGuy Yes that Ultra Thin movement is JLC 920... not VC in house. That said , the same goes to AP 15202 jumbo, not in house too. JLC is still the master of movement .

@gpearce11

4 жыл бұрын

The ultra-thin is brilliant. I also think it’s the single best case of how overpriced the nautilus has become, because the steel 5711 is currently trading for more than the white gold Ultra-thin, despite competing with the standard three-hand.

@tomkhong9828

4 жыл бұрын

Geoffrey Pearce Yes, that’s exactly it, the Nautilus hype bubble is as large as Enron’s inflated profit, I believe the reality check would be nearing soon.

Excellent review. There is a picture starting at 4:41 of a no date version with grey dial. It has emerged during its introduction but is not displayed at VC's home page. Does anybody have more information on that model?

@wjs1

3 жыл бұрын

It is the Overseas Ultra-thin, reference 2000V. White gold. Extremely hard to find. Absolutely beautiful watch.

@jensfiehler4716

3 жыл бұрын

@@wjs1 Thank you!

overseas is gorgeous but the price is outrageous

In my honest opinion the vacheron overseas tourbillion is better looking then the nautilus and royal oak why? Vacheron made a tourbillion into a sports watch that's no joke

Prefer this over anything from AP

To your final point about VC’s impact on the 70’s nouveau retro-revival, I would love to see Seiko contribute to the conversation.

Dial reminds of Grand Seiko

the 222 will be so collectable in the future , buy a couple now and thank me latter I think of them as the milgauss of the future , you read it here .

I'm happy i don't have money to buy this. Otherwise, I had to choose between aquanaut and this.

If i got a sub at retail, I would flip it for VC overseas